>Until this day, people on Cinemaphile b***h that Peter and Homer don't deserve Marge and Louis
It's funny, because it's literally the point of this episode, people are desperate and obsessed with karmic retribution like autistic "Mr. Enter" cartoon reviewers while being completely unaware of how the real world works. Lazier and less talented people than you can be luckier than you, and it has nothing to do with "justice", fate will never measure your worth as value
Grimes was the worst face of libertarianism(ironically the writer of the chapter is the best example of a good libertarian) >Defend hard work will made you successful >Sucks billionaire dick >Get mad at lazy worker that are more sucessfull than you
Both Burns and Homer got lucky and Grimes not but he choose to seethe at his coworker instead his boss(the one who hire dangerous workers like a chicken)
>Homer got lucky
Homer (at least at that point in the series) worked hard for everything that brought him joy. His Family in particular. Never forget that Homer actively hates his job and wishes he could still work at Barney's Bowl O Rama. Grimes was too distracted at inane triumphs that Homer himself wouldn't actively care about. To Homer his life was great because of the people around him To Grimes Homer's life was great because of his financial and societal gains. Strive to be a Homer, don't ever try to be a Grimes.
>To Homer his life was great because of the people around him To Grimes Homer's life was great because of his financial and societal gains. Strive to be a Homer, don't ever try to be a Grimes.
Nailed it
>Until this day, people on Cinemaphile b***h that Peter and Homer don't deserve Marge and Louis
It's funny, because it's literally the point of this episode, people are desperate and obsessed with karmic retribution like autistic "Mr. Enter" cartoon reviewers while being completely unaware of how the real world works. Lazier and less talented people than you can be luckier than you, and it has nothing to do with "justice", fate will never measure your worth as value
Eh being lazy can only get you so far though
Not to say that working hard every day will guarantee success but at least there's a more longterm incentive
Being lazy certainly isn't a recipe for success, but sometimes the lazy, stupid, and incompetent just get lucky. There are plenty of successful morons who by right should be flipping burgers but who somehow failed upwards all their lives, or worthless bums who just happened to be born in a wealthy, influential family.
I personally know an absolute trashfire of a man who spent most of his life smoking weed and fricking his furniture, but who's now independently wealthy because he bought a whole bunch of Bitcoins on a whim, back when they were still almost worthless. Is that fair? No. But does it help me in any way to resent him for it? Even more no.
I felt like this episode is when they really started flanderizing Homer
Yeah he could be a dumbass and an oaf about things before but it felt like they really ramped ot up in this episode just so the premise worked
Plus Grimes doesn't really come across like a "Normal Guy who has to put up with Homer" his personality is also pretty exaggerated
Yeah I know I'm just being autistic about it but when people say how brilliant the episode is I just don't see it
Grimes is the kind of character who was, for lack of a better word, too good to stick around. If he'd been around for even one more episode it would have killed the show, like an antimatter annihilation.
He was right, but he didn't need to be such a spiteful c**t about it. Homer did pretty much nothing wrong (at least compared to normal), his only flaw was that he lucked into a good life without having to work hard for it, while Grimey had had shit luck all his life. It's extremely unfair, but then it's also unfair to take that out on Homer. Hell, he even had a far more reasonable target for his hate in Burns, who gave his position in the company to a fricking dog on a whim.
Of course that still doesn't mean he deserved to die, but it does make him a deeply unsympathetic character, which is why it doesn't come across as being too over the line when his death is played as a dumb joke.
Homer did get his pay cut and lied to him in order for him to come over for dinner, this lie made him late for his other job which he could be fired from because of what Homer did.
John Swartzwelder on Frank Grimes: >Interviewer: You mentioned “Homer’s Enemy,” which has to be one of the darkest half hours ever on television. It’s about an upstanding, decent, and hardworking character named Frank Grimes, who’s driven mad by Homer. At the end, Grimes accidentally electrocutes himself, and then Homer snores and talks in his sleep at Grimes’s funeral, to the amusement of the attendees. Not what James Brooks might refer to as a “lot of heart.”
>Swartzwelder: Grimey was asking for it the whole episode. He didn’t approve of our Homer. He was asking for it, and he got it. Now what was this you were saying about heart?
No one deserves their fate, and that's a good thing. Imagine how awful life would be if every bad thing that ever happened to you was something you completely deserved, and the knowledge that you deserved that bad thing to happen to you was unambiguous and inescapable.
I don't know why you guys complain about this episode when "Miracle on Evergreen Terrace" was even more mean-spirited. It had everyone in town, including fricking Flanders, stealing everything in the Simpsons' house. That would never happen, plus the episode wasn't nearly as funny as "Homer's Enemy."
He lived above a bowling alley, and below one, too....
That's the joke
It aint funny.
Nah this episode started the downfall.
The downfall started from that fricking episode where the principal turned out to not actually be the man he said he was.
He should've just swallowed his pride and accepted Homer's offer of friendship. Maybe Homer's good luck could've rubbed off on him.
He was a massive dick, though.
Imagine this guy in Family Guy
Why? Peter wouldnt want to be his friend, Lois wouldnt invite him to dinner for him to have his schizo meltdown
Grimes was the worst face of libertarianism(ironically the writer of the chapter is the best example of a good libertarian)
>Defend hard work will made you successful
>Sucks billionaire dick
>Get mad at lazy worker that are more sucessfull than you
Both Burns and Homer got lucky and Grimes not but he choose to seethe at his coworker instead his boss(the one who hire dangerous workers like a chicken)
>Homer got lucky
Homer (at least at that point in the series) worked hard for everything that brought him joy. His Family in particular. Never forget that Homer actively hates his job and wishes he could still work at Barney's Bowl O Rama. Grimes was too distracted at inane triumphs that Homer himself wouldn't actively care about. To Homer his life was great because of the people around him To Grimes Homer's life was great because of his financial and societal gains. Strive to be a Homer, don't ever try to be a Grimes.
>To Homer his life was great because of the people around him To Grimes Homer's life was great because of his financial and societal gains. Strive to be a Homer, don't ever try to be a Grimes.
Nailed it
INSANE I TELL YOU!!!!
THE CHAINS
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>Until this day, people on Cinemaphile b***h that Peter and Homer don't deserve Marge and Louis
It's funny, because it's literally the point of this episode, people are desperate and obsessed with karmic retribution like autistic "Mr. Enter" cartoon reviewers while being completely unaware of how the real world works. Lazier and less talented people than you can be luckier than you, and it has nothing to do with "justice", fate will never measure your worth as value
Eh being lazy can only get you so far though
Not to say that working hard every day will guarantee success but at least there's a more longterm incentive
Being lazy certainly isn't a recipe for success, but sometimes the lazy, stupid, and incompetent just get lucky. There are plenty of successful morons who by right should be flipping burgers but who somehow failed upwards all their lives, or worthless bums who just happened to be born in a wealthy, influential family.
I personally know an absolute trashfire of a man who spent most of his life smoking weed and fricking his furniture, but who's now independently wealthy because he bought a whole bunch of Bitcoins on a whim, back when they were still almost worthless. Is that fair? No. But does it help me in any way to resent him for it? Even more no.
He literally did it to himself. He finally made it and his obsession with Homer drove him insane and he got himself killed.
how is it that he works at both the power plant and a foundry, but can only afford a single room between two bowling alleys?
Hookers.
That's the joke!
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."
yes he did,he was an envious butthole
He's a tragic character
Childhood is thinking Grimes was wrong.
Adulthood is realizing that Grimes was wrong.
>Mr. Burns is actually at fault and Grimes knows this
>blames Homer anyway
He deserved it for not getting a grip
I felt like this episode is when they really started flanderizing Homer
Yeah he could be a dumbass and an oaf about things before but it felt like they really ramped ot up in this episode just so the premise worked
Plus Grimes doesn't really come across like a "Normal Guy who has to put up with Homer" his personality is also pretty exaggerated
Yeah I know I'm just being autistic about it but when people say how brilliant the episode is I just don't see it
I've always felt it was way out of character from Homer being so invested on befriending the guy
I like Grimes as a character. I wish he had stuck around.
Grimes is the kind of character who was, for lack of a better word, too good to stick around. If he'd been around for even one more episode it would have killed the show, like an antimatter annihilation.
Yes he did, every bad thing that happened to him was self inflicted, including his death.
He was right, but he didn't need to be such a spiteful c**t about it. Homer did pretty much nothing wrong (at least compared to normal), his only flaw was that he lucked into a good life without having to work hard for it, while Grimey had had shit luck all his life. It's extremely unfair, but then it's also unfair to take that out on Homer. Hell, he even had a far more reasonable target for his hate in Burns, who gave his position in the company to a fricking dog on a whim.
Of course that still doesn't mean he deserved to die, but it does make him a deeply unsympathetic character, which is why it doesn't come across as being too over the line when his death is played as a dumb joke.
>homer did nothing wrong
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homer squealed on grimes immediately after he saved homer's life. that was enough for blood to be spilled.
>get off on the wrong foot with a co-worker
>invite to your home for a lobster dinner to make amends
>he loses his shit and kills himself
Homer did get his pay cut and lied to him in order for him to come over for dinner, this lie made him late for his other job which he could be fired from because of what Homer did.
He was a great man pushed to a breaking point. He didn't deserve this fate but his demise turns this episode into a great work of art.
Oh, he did.
>He did something stupid and died
I'd say he deserved it.
John Swartzwelder on Frank Grimes:
>Interviewer: You mentioned “Homer’s Enemy,” which has to be one of the darkest half hours ever on television. It’s about an upstanding, decent, and hardworking character named Frank Grimes, who’s driven mad by Homer. At the end, Grimes accidentally electrocutes himself, and then Homer snores and talks in his sleep at Grimes’s funeral, to the amusement of the attendees. Not what James Brooks might refer to as a “lot of heart.”
>Swartzwelder: Grimey was asking for it the whole episode. He didn’t approve of our Homer. He was asking for it, and he got it. Now what was this you were saying about heart?
No one deserves their fate, and that's a good thing. Imagine how awful life would be if every bad thing that ever happened to you was something you completely deserved, and the knowledge that you deserved that bad thing to happen to you was unambiguous and inescapable.
he deserved to have lisa sit on his face
I don't know why you guys complain about this episode when "Miracle on Evergreen Terrace" was even more mean-spirited. It had everyone in town, including fricking Flanders, stealing everything in the Simpsons' house. That would never happen, plus the episode wasn't nearly as funny as "Homer's Enemy."
Yes he did, he's the worst most evil character in the history of television.
>"What if a normal guy was in Springfield???"
But Springfield was normal though up until season 9/10?