This is exactly how I feel about it. How is he the only fricking character who actually has to live with what happened?
And Kim doesnt really fricking appreciate it. It was her own guilty conscience that was the problem. If Jimmy had just confessed to her she'd have gotten over it. Instead he's thrown away his whole fricking life for a woman he's barely ever going to see again.
I mean what, is she gonna wait for him? Leave her life in Florida? Visit him on weekends? Frick no.
If you want to get into it, to what extent was Jesse really blackmailed into any of it? To what extent did Walt HAVE to do any of it? Or Mike? Or anyone
The point isn't that any of them have spotless records, or that they have clean hands. But Jesse and Walt came out of it better. Mike is probably the only one to come out worse than Jimmy.
Jesse has a new life, Walt left millions for his kids. Jimmy is going to take 86 years in prison just to prove to his ex wife that he's capable of confessing like she did.
>86 years in prison just to prove to his ex wife that he's capable of confessing like she did.
it's not just for kim though, sure he wants to do right by her but also for chuck and howard and everyone else that he hurt, he wants to be jimmy again and that means taking responsibility, doing the right thing
2 years ago
Anonymous
How is dying in prison the right thing? 7 years was sufficient.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Vincecels can't argue against this common sense so they just get emotional and call names. Haha.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>How is dying in prison the right thing?
taking responsibility for your actions is doing the right thing, in jimmys case his actions were horrible so his punishment was harsh >7 years was sufficient.
Jimmy doesn't want to scam his way out of everything anymore, saul would have taken the 7 years
2 years ago
Anonymous
Said it before, rotting in jail is limp-dicked. He could be out in the world changing his ways and helping people.
What does it really mean to be detained for life? How do you prove you've changed? Who's life does it improve?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Who's life does it improve?
it gives justice to his victims, he only got the 7 year deal in the first place by lying about his involvement
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it gives justice to his victims
his victims are dead moron. it doesnt effect them
2 years ago
Anonymous
It affects the people around the victim like their family
By using your logic we should release all the prisoners who killed their victim because they’re all dead anyway right? It doesn’t matter
2 years ago
Anonymous
He said in court, he wasn't there for any of the meth cooking or dealing, he wasnt there for the deaths or murders either.
His crimes were entirely financial and against the state.
But even then if we accept your premise, does sitting in jail really give justice or is it just the best we have for people who don't want to do better?
Prison is day care for bad people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What mechanism do you have for keeping people from doing bad things if prison isn't on the table? I don't really understand how exactly society functions with someone like you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The issue with prison is that real world people rarely feel true remorse for their actions nor have the ability to give back to society.
A fricking fictional character who is borderline genius level when it comes to manipulating others could do more out of jail than in
>I need a happy ending
It's only not satisfying to you because your brain is that of a toddler
Vince's are morality tales. If you want satisfaction go coom somewhere.
homie Walt got to leave 10M to his kids.
Jesse got to start a new life.
You cannot sit here and pretend that realistic consequences always apply in this setting
2 years ago
Anonymous
Prison is a punishment for your crimes. Punishment is the basis for justice in the entire world, and you have no answer how you prevent bad behavior without prison so I'm gonna assume you delibrately didn't answer the question.
2 years ago
Anonymous
homie walt and jesse would be either dead or rotting in prison if it wasnt for saul thus he gets harsher punishment than 1 year of slavery or dying 4 months before cancer would've gotten you
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kek you're not this moronic right?
Thats just something Saul said in self-flagellation.
Realistically, Jesse and Walt would always have found a way, because its fricking fiction.
Jimmy is the only one to lose. Walt, Jesse, and Kim all get a win.
Walt got the money he wanted for his kids, Jesse gets a clean slate, Kim gets to work in law. Despite all the bad shit, death, eternal regret, a lawsuit, they all have a "win"
Jimmy just loses.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>because its fricking fiction
That's just insane logic, the would have been fine because the writers could have just invented another lawyer? Literally the most braindead thing I've seen on here.
In terms of what actually happened, he was absolutely THE guy they needed in order for Walter White to become what he was.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, imagine no fricking lawyer at all. It would work if the writers wanted it to work.
Its intensely autistic to talk about a work of fiction as if events and consequences are set in stone.
You think realistically a con-man with an online degree from the University of Samoa would run rings around a team of federal lawyers and argue down a max 190 year sentence to 7?
Fricking no. But it makes the story more interesting.
Similarly, saying that Jimmy gets the worst punishment for enabling the main characters of the other show is fricking moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Holy shit you are actually an insane person. You can't just invoke the writers of the fricking show when we are talking about what happened in the show. In the show that HAPPENED, he is critical to how Walter White grew his business. What he said was absolutely true.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can't just invoke the writers of the fricking show when we are talking about what happened in the show. In the show that HAPPENED, he is critical to how Walter White grew his business. What he said was absolutely true.
Like I said, what "HAPPENED" to Jimmy, was that he was a small time lawyer with a fake fricking degree who conned a bunch of fed lawyers in this fricking episode because the writers wanted it to happen, even if it doesnt really make sense.
Arguing that something has to happen in fiction is a fricking losing game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Honestly, I am seriously asking, do you have some kind of brain injury or maybe on drugs? Because the things you are writing are just completely nonsensical.
Yeah everything that happened is fantastical, that is irrelevant to the fact that in the story that happened, Jimmy is the key to how Walter White became what he is. You then invoking the fricking writers of the show as if they are part of the story in how 'actually he isn't critical' because they could just have written a different story is the most insane thing I have ever seen someone claim on here. Honestly I'm shocked by the levels of full moron you are on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
homie the point I am getting across to you is that actions do not necessarily have consequences in fiction.
You whole premise was that "Jimmy help bad people do bad thing they could not do without him, therefore worst punishment!" but my guy it is fricking FICTION. Your logic here is meaningless. All it takes is the writers to go "nah" and something else happens.
The example I am trying to get across to you is that Jimmy was able to do things in this episode that don't follow based on what he has done before, because this is an instance of the writers saying "nah". Jimmy outsmarting a team of feds and getting an absolutely ridiculous plea deal is what they want for their story (because he's going to throw it all away) so thats what happens
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are just moving the goal posts into something I don't even know what is, this is the insane statement you made
>Realistically, Jesse and Walt would always have found a way, because its fricking fiction.
That's all I'm discussing, and it is a completely insane comment in the context of judging whether or not Jimmy was critical to the events that happened in Breaking Bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You lost, he won. have a nice day.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also I wasn't the guy who said he deseved the worst punishment.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Feds are fricking morons in case you haven't figured that out yet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Realistically, Jesse and Walt would always have found a way, because its fricking fiction
and because its fricking fiction they weren't working with s&c or davis&maine.
heisenberg was already on dea's radar due to meth purity so he had to stage the arrest for fake heisenberg. his sellers were being killed and he had no mules to set up any operations further away and with no direct links to jesse and walt.
jimmy already lost by the end of jimmy timeline, kim had to flee to boring normie life in bumfrick nowhere boomerville, jesse lost everything and was a fricking slave for a year.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>taking responsibility for your actions is doing the right thing
preventing yourself from doing the right thing in the future by locking yourself away for life isnt
2 years ago
Anonymous
He can’t do the right thing in the future, gene proved that, he’ll always be slipping jimmy, that’s why he chose to endure the punishment and avoid a shitload of trouble for anyone getting close to him as it was the case his whole life
2 years ago
Anonymous
>7 years was sufficient.
7 years is not sufficient for helping multiple Meth Kingpins ruin literally dozens if not hundreds of families' lives forever. People watching BCS are ignoring that the meat of the shit Jimmy is going to jail for is his actions in BrBa, NOT BCS. He helped Lalo get away and got Howard murdered and then turned around and said "Y'know what, I want more of that". The fact that he gazed into the abyss and then decided to dive in head-first is why he needs to atone, and why this was his only way back into the light.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the widows in the courtroom were supposed to be the reminder of that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you’re saying the show doesn’t stand on its own without Breaking Bad
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kek, BTFO'd the redditors with this question.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally about to type something like this: [...]
What does rotting in prison do? What does it prove?
That hes a fricking masochistic simp. He will never be able to help anyone or do anything productive ever again. The people he hurt aren't un-hurt. He just has forever to sit in a room and think about it.
Absolute waste
>but also for chuck and howard and everyone else that he hurt
theyre all dead. he cant do anything to make it up for them. theyre dead
Ok, if he was truly sorry he should have done 7 years, then gotten out and helped people
You Black folk don't get it, he's atoning for his crimes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally about to type something like this:
How is dying in prison the right thing? 7 years was sufficient.
What does rotting in prison do? What does it prove?
That hes a fricking masochistic simp. He will never be able to help anyone or do anything productive ever again. The people he hurt aren't un-hurt. He just has forever to sit in a room and think about it.
Absolute waste
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unless you are advocating for execution this is a moronic post
2 years ago
Anonymous
He could have taken the 7 years and spent the rest of his life doing better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao you're stupid
morons. In a proper world saul is executed without trial
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not responding to your forced meme.
2 years ago
Anonymous
1. You did.
2. What the frick is a forced meme is this how vincedrones are coping now
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao you're stupid
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but also for chuck and howard and everyone else that he hurt
theyre all dead. he cant do anything to make it up for them. theyre dead
2 years ago
Anonymous
>WELL THE MURDER VICTIM IS ALREADY DEAD SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WETHER THE PERPETRATOR IS CAUGHT OR NOT
wow you truly solved the criminal justice system. I honestly didn't realise this show attracted to many morons
2 years ago
Anonymous
hes unironically true albeit >muh criminal justice
american prison helps no one. cope amerilard
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah that's just an american thing, in other countries they don't prosecute murders because the victim is already dead so who cares about the families or justice
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok, if he was truly sorry he should have done 7 years, then gotten out and helped people
2 years ago
Anonymous
>then gotten out and helped people
he would start by helping his victims get the justice they deserve
What's the worst thing he did before meeting Walt? Scamming some lowlifes in the bar? Harassing Howard for a few weeks? Pretty sure those things don't come with life sentences.
>fricking over chuck and forcing him out of his career, results in chuck killing himself >fricking over howard and smearing him as a drug addict screwing his career, howard dies because of jimmy's association with the cartel world >slowly eroding and ruining Kim's morality, though not a crime, still fricked up
2 years ago
Anonymous
>fricking over chuck and forcing him out of his career
not illegal >results in chuck killing himself
not jimmy's problem >fricking over howard and smearing him as a drug addict screwing his career
yeah I said that >howard dies because of jimmy's association with the cartel world
literally nothing to do with jimmy >slowly eroding and ruining Kim's morality, though not a crime, still fricked up
she was a very willing participant, and was free to leave whenever she chose, which she did
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not illegal
jimmy screwing with the mesa verde files was in fact illegal, a felony >not jimmy's problem
he reasonably felt that it somewhat was >literally nothing to do with jimmy
jimmy willingly got involved with lalo, becoming a "friend of the cartel" can hurt the people around you
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT MESS WITH MY AAA+ BANKERINO WITH TRILLIONS OF QE DOLLARDOOS, BECAUSE THAT'S HELLA ILLEGAL.... NO IT DOESNT MATTER IF ITS TO SAVE AN OLD GUYS HOUSE OKAY? WE MUST RESPECT ALL COMPANIES AND PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT LGBTQ+ RIGHTS. THAT OLD FRICK WAS PROBABLY A HOMOPHOBE AND DESERVED HIS FATE JUST LIKE SAUL DID HIS. DUH!
2 years ago
Anonymous
it wasnt to save an old guys house, speedwatcher, it was just to make it look like chuck fricked up so the bank would return to using Kim as their legal council. fricking tard
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why is everyone forgetting the fact that Kim was the ARCHITECT of the Howard scheme, she created it deliberately to "help" Jimmy get over his PTSD and to get her own rocks off.
Do you not remember all of the doubts that Jimmy had about the plan, trying to get out, asking Kim if she'd like to get out, only for it to be revealed that Kim was taking control of the situation and wanted it to happen more than Jimmy did?
Do you not remember Jimmy saying to Kim that it wasn't feasible to pull of the plan that day, she pulls a harsh U turn and speeds over, insisting the plan has to go ahead?
Does no one remember the scenes in the Cafe of Kim describing to Jimmy EXACTLY what she had in mind for Saul Goodman, every detail she wanted for him. She created him in more ways than just leaving him.
She created him and yet she hardly has to serve any penance for that. Jimmy rots in prison, the show tries to impress on the viewer that was the right thing to do, and Kim gets to absolve herself other than that civil suit?
If Saul was Heisenberg's architect, Kim was Saul's architect. She lives free and condescends Jimmy as if the weight rests on his shoulders alone and not hers.
The worst part was after her creation of Saul, she left him, alone with PTSD and no one in the world to talk to, a dead brother, just because they were "poisonous together"
They could have easily worked on that.
Instead she does something guaranteed to hurt Jimmy and to turn him into something far worse than he is.
>gangster says to look into his dead end case >say it can't be helped >now his homies gangrape you every day because you don't wanna help >some guy doing time finds you and stabs you because he represented him and they ended up in prison
Yea he'll have fun in maximum security prison because they are all level headed people.
If Jimmy was going to have a bad time in prison, they would have shown it. Instead, they made it extremely obvious he will be having a good time in prison. The first thing they show him doing in prison is making bread, which is not so different from his life as Gene being a wagey for cinnebun. His life as Gene was a prison, at least now he is free of guilt.
Except when Jimmy spilled his guts he literally says he put Kim up to it all so the civil case would have to call in Jimmy and he'd shoulder the damages. So Kim does get away with everything. Kim can't be sued without Jimmy perjuring himself at his own trial.
He wanted the 86 years for Chuck. It's his penance. He just used the Walter hearing to achieve that and make peace with his regrets about his brother.
The cooming incels on here could never understand.
Thats a moronic way to think. Its not like Chuck didn't try to ruin Jimmy. In fact worse, he never even wanted to give Jimmy a chance in the first place. He wanted Jimmy beneath him, making photocopies for the rest of his life. He decided that was Jimmy's place
I don't understand why he worked hard getting his sentence reduced to 7 years then threw it all away for the long stretch. Especially when in the phone call to Kim he tell her we're both not stupid enough to throw away their lives for no reason.
>I don't understand why he worked hard getting his sentence reduced to 7 years then threw it all away for the long stretch
because he wanted to scam one last time, it's always been in his nature to be a charlatan, to sell people on the bullshit he says. That was also before he knew kim had spilled her guts >Especially when in the phone call to Kim he tell her we're both not stupid enough to throw away their lives for no reason.
that was when he was gene and still saul, he also relapsed into scamming innocent people during this time, including a poor guy with cancer and a dead dog
Because he's fricking fictional and its about a satisfying end for a fictional character.
Throwing his life away to simp for his ex wife was not satisfying
>morality tales >Walt successfully accomplishes everything he set out to do, gets revenge on all his enemies, dies on his own terms when he was going to be dead from cancer in a few months anyway >jesse gets off scot-free, has some trauma but a fresh start in his mid 20s
>wah, my epic lawyer character had something bad happen to him
brainlet take, i was rooting for Saul but he's also an anti-hero. He doesn't deserve a good ending
The problem will always be that he already started off with the perfect bad ending. Being miserable and forever paranoid as Gene despite having his freedom was the perfect conclusion for the Saul we knew from BrBa. This whole prison pseudo redemption just rings hollow in comparison.
I don't get what you mean by "rings hollow in comparison", how his him ending up in prison more hollow than not? The use of the word hollow here makes no sense, it is if you are writing that any situation where he ends up in prison is automatically cheap because "reasons".
It seems to me you just don't like the idea of Jimmy dying in prison and have to intellectualize it.
An anti-hero being punished in the end is the actual cliche thing. Why should that be satisfying?
Also as far as I'm concerned he went through shit all the time.
He had a good reason for everything he did and he actually wanted to help people. The real villains are the institutions. Mesa Verde Bank. They wanted to take a guy's home away and saul was the only one who cared initially.
Let's admit that they fricked up by making Saul so sympathetic and good natured in BCS because he was the protag. It's made their "I sacrificed my life to atone for my sins" ending feel unnecessary. He should've killed the cancer man or marion for this to really work.
Supossably the movie is going to follow the book. Saul starts a prison revolt, kills 3 guards and escapes to Mexico with Kim and Jesse to become boss of bosses of the cartel.
It looks like everyone hating the ending completely disregard the cancer guy or forgot the last episode before the finale,
The entire point of Jimmy stealing from the cancer guy was to show that Jimmy cannot stop himself.
No matter what he does or where he goes, slipping Jimmy will always con and steal and ruin people's lives.
Jimmy understood this. That's exactly what Chuck said. Slipping Jimmy. Always scamming. Always ruining people
Jimmy chose the 86 years in jail to stop himself from ever ruining someone else's life.
It has nothing to do with Kim. If anything he did this to say sorry to chuck.
No one will ever be scammed again
But that's why this happened after the cancer guy.
Even the other thief says "No. WE CANT ROB CANCER GUY. NO"
The fact that Jimmy broke his window and stole his watch shows that Jimmy will always hurt people.
Like a drug addict. He can't stop. Jail was a way to save others from slipping Jimmy
>Oh wow Chuck tried to be nice one time, my whole perspective has changed!
And in case you're a moron, Chuck was literally trying to convince Jimmy that he wasnt happy being a lawyer. He was being manipulative in that fricking scene
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jimmy flipped out at him and he was too slow to realise that he was pissed at him, not his job so that's why he said that about lawyering. he was trying to open up to his brother, you could argue chuck was sloppy in that situation but it's well established that he's very awkward socially anyway.
there was a lot going on in that scene, to be honest. the fact he was reading the time machine, and that earlier scene with walter about the time machine suggests that chuck probably had regrets with the way he treated his brother. come on man, it's all there
kek, why are they even there, what sort of closure does watching the lawyer for the guy who indirectly had your husbands killed get jailed going to bring? fricking skyler and jesse freaking had more to do with hank and gomez death than saul did.
I liked the ending, even if I would have preferred that he was just caught and none of the redemption arc bullshit was inserted. Him simply getting caught and trying to weasel his way out with nothing working and Kim crying in the back would have been more kino. End scene is Jimmy hanging himself in prison.
>giving up yourself to feds is... LE GOOD xDDD >rotting in inhumane US prison is LE GOOD for your CONSCIENCE xDD >praise christ bro and let tyrone frick your wife
last episode was a blatant propaganda and it's not even fricking funny
up yourself to feds is... LE GOOD
He literally got caught hiding in a dumpster, and fricked the feds in the ass by getting a 100+ year sentence wittled down to nothing.
He had the power, he chose to serve his time to help Kim get off scot free by casting doubt in her affidavit
I know it wasn't explicitly stated, so it probably flew over your head because of that, but jimmy saying blow for blow what happened with Howard then admitting he lied about EVERYTHING in his plea deal including that testimony would lead the authorities to assume the events with Howard also didn't happen which means the new mexico DA would have just continued to sit on it and Howards wife couldn't sue Kim. Dumbass.
Black person, Jimmy DIDN'T give the same account of the Howard incident as Kim. That was the point. He gave new information to incriminate her so 1) the feds would take it, because it wasn't what they already had, and 2) Kim would have to show up in court to hear his testimony because it might open her to criminal charges, as on her own affidavit she was not going to be criminally charged
I can't tell if youre the world champion paint-drinker, or just didnt watch the show
Mhm, so why did he suddenly say it when he found out Kim was going to get fricked in the ass with a civil suit?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person, because in the previous episode Kim berated him for not turning himself in, so he pointed out that she was still hiding the truth about Howard.
Then he learns she actually did confess and he realises he's been a piece of shit and should have to courage to confess as she did insted of continuing to get away with it
You're literally
i gotta be honest Cinemaphile
I haven't watched a single second if BCS, i just grab whatever pieces of the plot is said here and make you fight each other over misinterpreting it
i gotta be honest Cinemaphile
I haven't watched a single second if BCS, i just grab whatever pieces of the plot is said here and make you fight each other over misinterpreting it
>Literally everyone dies or gets arrested except for the low-life addict
Indeed. What where they trying to tell us with this
>low-life addict
You need that glimmer of hope for some reboot ... if the money is right.
Saul is the only character in the both shows I can think of who got the prison ending.
Ok this actually really good bait, there's so many layers
>jesse gets blackmailed into being a methcook
gets to live in canada
>saul getd blackmailed into lawyering
life sentence
This is exactly how I feel about it. How is he the only fricking character who actually has to live with what happened?
And Kim doesnt really fricking appreciate it. It was her own guilty conscience that was the problem. If Jimmy had just confessed to her she'd have gotten over it. Instead he's thrown away his whole fricking life for a woman he's barely ever going to see again.
I mean what, is she gonna wait for him? Leave her life in Florida? Visit him on weekends? Frick no.
HER LEAVING HIM DID THIS TO HIM
even walter outlived cancer and got to give his kids $10,000,000
Yup.
I wish they'd gone down together or not at all frankly
Walt was a fricking winner and got everything he wanted at the end. He was gonna die from the beginning anyway.
>blackmailed into lawyering
are u 4 real?
>"we're done"
>"we're done when i say we're done"
i get that but that was way into his business with walt. Besides that Jimmy did a lot of terrible shit way before even meeting walt
If you want to get into it, to what extent was Jesse really blackmailed into any of it? To what extent did Walt HAVE to do any of it? Or Mike? Or anyone
The point isn't that any of them have spotless records, or that they have clean hands. But Jesse and Walt came out of it better. Mike is probably the only one to come out worse than Jimmy.
Jesse has a new life, Walt left millions for his kids. Jimmy is going to take 86 years in prison just to prove to his ex wife that he's capable of confessing like she did.
>86 years in prison just to prove to his ex wife that he's capable of confessing like she did.
it's not just for kim though, sure he wants to do right by her but also for chuck and howard and everyone else that he hurt, he wants to be jimmy again and that means taking responsibility, doing the right thing
How is dying in prison the right thing? 7 years was sufficient.
The Vincecels can't argue against this common sense so they just get emotional and call names. Haha.
>How is dying in prison the right thing?
taking responsibility for your actions is doing the right thing, in jimmys case his actions were horrible so his punishment was harsh
>7 years was sufficient.
Jimmy doesn't want to scam his way out of everything anymore, saul would have taken the 7 years
Said it before, rotting in jail is limp-dicked. He could be out in the world changing his ways and helping people.
What does it really mean to be detained for life? How do you prove you've changed? Who's life does it improve?
>Who's life does it improve?
it gives justice to his victims, he only got the 7 year deal in the first place by lying about his involvement
>it gives justice to his victims
his victims are dead moron. it doesnt effect them
It affects the people around the victim like their family
By using your logic we should release all the prisoners who killed their victim because they’re all dead anyway right? It doesn’t matter
He said in court, he wasn't there for any of the meth cooking or dealing, he wasnt there for the deaths or murders either.
His crimes were entirely financial and against the state.
But even then if we accept your premise, does sitting in jail really give justice or is it just the best we have for people who don't want to do better?
Prison is day care for bad people.
What mechanism do you have for keeping people from doing bad things if prison isn't on the table? I don't really understand how exactly society functions with someone like you.
The issue with prison is that real world people rarely feel true remorse for their actions nor have the ability to give back to society.
A fricking fictional character who is borderline genius level when it comes to manipulating others could do more out of jail than in
homie Walt got to leave 10M to his kids.
Jesse got to start a new life.
You cannot sit here and pretend that realistic consequences always apply in this setting
Prison is a punishment for your crimes. Punishment is the basis for justice in the entire world, and you have no answer how you prevent bad behavior without prison so I'm gonna assume you delibrately didn't answer the question.
homie walt and jesse would be either dead or rotting in prison if it wasnt for saul thus he gets harsher punishment than 1 year of slavery or dying 4 months before cancer would've gotten you
Kek you're not this moronic right?
Thats just something Saul said in self-flagellation.
Realistically, Jesse and Walt would always have found a way, because its fricking fiction.
Jimmy is the only one to lose. Walt, Jesse, and Kim all get a win.
Walt got the money he wanted for his kids, Jesse gets a clean slate, Kim gets to work in law. Despite all the bad shit, death, eternal regret, a lawsuit, they all have a "win"
Jimmy just loses.
>because its fricking fiction
That's just insane logic, the would have been fine because the writers could have just invented another lawyer? Literally the most braindead thing I've seen on here.
In terms of what actually happened, he was absolutely THE guy they needed in order for Walter White to become what he was.
No, imagine no fricking lawyer at all. It would work if the writers wanted it to work.
Its intensely autistic to talk about a work of fiction as if events and consequences are set in stone.
You think realistically a con-man with an online degree from the University of Samoa would run rings around a team of federal lawyers and argue down a max 190 year sentence to 7?
Fricking no. But it makes the story more interesting.
Similarly, saying that Jimmy gets the worst punishment for enabling the main characters of the other show is fricking moronic.
Holy shit you are actually an insane person. You can't just invoke the writers of the fricking show when we are talking about what happened in the show. In the show that HAPPENED, he is critical to how Walter White grew his business. What he said was absolutely true.
>You can't just invoke the writers of the fricking show when we are talking about what happened in the show. In the show that HAPPENED, he is critical to how Walter White grew his business. What he said was absolutely true.
Like I said, what "HAPPENED" to Jimmy, was that he was a small time lawyer with a fake fricking degree who conned a bunch of fed lawyers in this fricking episode because the writers wanted it to happen, even if it doesnt really make sense.
Arguing that something has to happen in fiction is a fricking losing game.
Honestly, I am seriously asking, do you have some kind of brain injury or maybe on drugs? Because the things you are writing are just completely nonsensical.
Yeah everything that happened is fantastical, that is irrelevant to the fact that in the story that happened, Jimmy is the key to how Walter White became what he is. You then invoking the fricking writers of the show as if they are part of the story in how 'actually he isn't critical' because they could just have written a different story is the most insane thing I have ever seen someone claim on here. Honestly I'm shocked by the levels of full moron you are on.
homie the point I am getting across to you is that actions do not necessarily have consequences in fiction.
You whole premise was that "Jimmy help bad people do bad thing they could not do without him, therefore worst punishment!" but my guy it is fricking FICTION. Your logic here is meaningless. All it takes is the writers to go "nah" and something else happens.
The example I am trying to get across to you is that Jimmy was able to do things in this episode that don't follow based on what he has done before, because this is an instance of the writers saying "nah". Jimmy outsmarting a team of feds and getting an absolutely ridiculous plea deal is what they want for their story (because he's going to throw it all away) so thats what happens
You are just moving the goal posts into something I don't even know what is, this is the insane statement you made
>Realistically, Jesse and Walt would always have found a way, because its fricking fiction.
That's all I'm discussing, and it is a completely insane comment in the context of judging whether or not Jimmy was critical to the events that happened in Breaking Bad.
You lost, he won. have a nice day.
Also I wasn't the guy who said he deseved the worst punishment.
Feds are fricking morons in case you haven't figured that out yet.
>Realistically, Jesse and Walt would always have found a way, because its fricking fiction
and because its fricking fiction they weren't working with s&c or davis&maine.
heisenberg was already on dea's radar due to meth purity so he had to stage the arrest for fake heisenberg. his sellers were being killed and he had no mules to set up any operations further away and with no direct links to jesse and walt.
jimmy already lost by the end of jimmy timeline, kim had to flee to boring normie life in bumfrick nowhere boomerville, jesse lost everything and was a fricking slave for a year.
>taking responsibility for your actions is doing the right thing
preventing yourself from doing the right thing in the future by locking yourself away for life isnt
He can’t do the right thing in the future, gene proved that, he’ll always be slipping jimmy, that’s why he chose to endure the punishment and avoid a shitload of trouble for anyone getting close to him as it was the case his whole life
>7 years was sufficient.
7 years is not sufficient for helping multiple Meth Kingpins ruin literally dozens if not hundreds of families' lives forever. People watching BCS are ignoring that the meat of the shit Jimmy is going to jail for is his actions in BrBa, NOT BCS. He helped Lalo get away and got Howard murdered and then turned around and said "Y'know what, I want more of that". The fact that he gazed into the abyss and then decided to dive in head-first is why he needs to atone, and why this was his only way back into the light.
Yeah, the widows in the courtroom were supposed to be the reminder of that.
So you’re saying the show doesn’t stand on its own without Breaking Bad
Kek, BTFO'd the redditors with this question.
You Black folk don't get it, he's atoning for his crimes.
Literally about to type something like this:
What does rotting in prison do? What does it prove?
That hes a fricking masochistic simp. He will never be able to help anyone or do anything productive ever again. The people he hurt aren't un-hurt. He just has forever to sit in a room and think about it.
Absolute waste
Unless you are advocating for execution this is a moronic post
He could have taken the 7 years and spent the rest of his life doing better.
morons. In a proper world saul is executed without trial
Not responding to your forced meme.
1. You did.
2. What the frick is a forced meme is this how vincedrones are coping now
lmao you're stupid
>but also for chuck and howard and everyone else that he hurt
theyre all dead. he cant do anything to make it up for them. theyre dead
>WELL THE MURDER VICTIM IS ALREADY DEAD SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WETHER THE PERPETRATOR IS CAUGHT OR NOT
wow you truly solved the criminal justice system. I honestly didn't realise this show attracted to many morons
hes unironically true albeit
>muh criminal justice
american prison helps no one. cope amerilard
yeah that's just an american thing, in other countries they don't prosecute murders because the victim is already dead so who cares about the families or justice
Ok, if he was truly sorry he should have done 7 years, then gotten out and helped people
>then gotten out and helped people
he would start by helping his victims get the justice they deserve
>Mike is probably the only one to come out worse than Jimmy.
Death is better than life in US prison, so even Mike got the better deal.
What's the worst thing he did before meeting Walt? Scamming some lowlifes in the bar? Harassing Howard for a few weeks? Pretty sure those things don't come with life sentences.
>fricking over chuck and forcing him out of his career, results in chuck killing himself
>fricking over howard and smearing him as a drug addict screwing his career, howard dies because of jimmy's association with the cartel world
>slowly eroding and ruining Kim's morality, though not a crime, still fricked up
>fricking over chuck and forcing him out of his career
not illegal
>results in chuck killing himself
not jimmy's problem
>fricking over howard and smearing him as a drug addict screwing his career
yeah I said that
>howard dies because of jimmy's association with the cartel world
literally nothing to do with jimmy
>slowly eroding and ruining Kim's morality, though not a crime, still fricked up
she was a very willing participant, and was free to leave whenever she chose, which she did
>not illegal
jimmy screwing with the mesa verde files was in fact illegal, a felony
>not jimmy's problem
he reasonably felt that it somewhat was
>literally nothing to do with jimmy
jimmy willingly got involved with lalo, becoming a "friend of the cartel" can hurt the people around you
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT MESS WITH MY AAA+ BANKERINO WITH TRILLIONS OF QE DOLLARDOOS, BECAUSE THAT'S HELLA ILLEGAL.... NO IT DOESNT MATTER IF ITS TO SAVE AN OLD GUYS HOUSE OKAY? WE MUST RESPECT ALL COMPANIES AND PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT LGBTQ+ RIGHTS. THAT OLD FRICK WAS PROBABLY A HOMOPHOBE AND DESERVED HIS FATE JUST LIKE SAUL DID HIS. DUH!
it wasnt to save an old guys house, speedwatcher, it was just to make it look like chuck fricked up so the bank would return to using Kim as their legal council. fricking tard
Why is everyone forgetting the fact that Kim was the ARCHITECT of the Howard scheme, she created it deliberately to "help" Jimmy get over his PTSD and to get her own rocks off.
Do you not remember all of the doubts that Jimmy had about the plan, trying to get out, asking Kim if she'd like to get out, only for it to be revealed that Kim was taking control of the situation and wanted it to happen more than Jimmy did?
Do you not remember Jimmy saying to Kim that it wasn't feasible to pull of the plan that day, she pulls a harsh U turn and speeds over, insisting the plan has to go ahead?
Does no one remember the scenes in the Cafe of Kim describing to Jimmy EXACTLY what she had in mind for Saul Goodman, every detail she wanted for him. She created him in more ways than just leaving him.
She created him and yet she hardly has to serve any penance for that. Jimmy rots in prison, the show tries to impress on the viewer that was the right thing to do, and Kim gets to absolve herself other than that civil suit?
If Saul was Heisenberg's architect, Kim was Saul's architect. She lives free and condescends Jimmy as if the weight rests on his shoulders alone and not hers.
The worst part was after her creation of Saul, she left him, alone with PTSD and no one in the world to talk to, a dead brother, just because they were "poisonous together"
They could have easily worked on that.
Instead she does something guaranteed to hurt Jimmy and to turn him into something far worse than he is.
Frick you, Kim.
That was waaay fricking in.
He literally was the one to approach Walt and offer him his ervices.
His services were secured the minute Walt put $1 bill in back pocket when they threatened to kill him.
Did you not watch the episode where he was kidnapped and forced to kneel with a gun to his head in front of a grave?
Jesse got literally tortured
We know Saul would end up becoming popular and having fun at prison
>gangster says to look into his dead end case
>say it can't be helped
>now his homies gangrape you every day because you don't wanna help
>some guy doing time finds you and stabs you because he represented him and they ended up in prison
Yea he'll have fun in maximum security prison because they are all level headed people.
If Jimmy was going to have a bad time in prison, they would have shown it. Instead, they made it extremely obvious he will be having a good time in prison. The first thing they show him doing in prison is making bread, which is not so different from his life as Gene being a wagey for cinnebun. His life as Gene was a prison, at least now he is free of guilt.
Living in Canada is clearly the worse fate.
Less blacks
Yeah, Walt was totally forcing Saul to do it
>Alaska is in Canada
saul is so important that he will probably get treated like royalty in prison
Jimmy asked for 86 years, Jimmy gets 86 years.
I feel no sympathy for Jimmy, when he could have had just 7 years.
Jimmy should have been executed on the spot. Life in prison is a grace
Jimmy did what was right for Jimmy. He killed Saul for himself. Literally 10/10 ending.
Then why does everyone in prison keep calling him Saul rather than Jimmy? The monster clearly lives.
He can't control every single person. Jeff proved that.
How come Kim gets a somewhat happy ending when she indirectly was the cause of Howard's death
we are literally told that howards wife is going through with the civil suit against her, that she's "shopping for lawyers"
Except when Jimmy spilled his guts he literally says he put Kim up to it all so the civil case would have to call in Jimmy and he'd shoulder the damages. So Kim does get away with everything. Kim can't be sued without Jimmy perjuring himself at his own trial.
He deserved a trip to Belize
This entire thread is just zoomies screeching about the concept of prison
He wanted the 86 years for Chuck. It's his penance. He just used the Walter hearing to achieve that and make peace with his regrets about his brother.
The cooming incels on here could never understand.
Thats a moronic way to think. Its not like Chuck didn't try to ruin Jimmy. In fact worse, he never even wanted to give Jimmy a chance in the first place. He wanted Jimmy beneath him, making photocopies for the rest of his life. He decided that was Jimmy's place
Chuck would have been fine if he had success outside of the law.
Oh well thats nice. Jimmy just had to succeed in a field approved by Chuck then. Thats okay
This doesn't make any sense. Go frick yourself, Vince.
I don't understand why he worked hard getting his sentence reduced to 7 years then threw it all away for the long stretch. Especially when in the phone call to Kim he tell her we're both not stupid enough to throw away their lives for no reason.
>I don't understand why he worked hard getting his sentence reduced to 7 years then threw it all away for the long stretch
because he wanted to scam one last time, it's always been in his nature to be a charlatan, to sell people on the bullshit he says. That was also before he knew kim had spilled her guts
>Especially when in the phone call to Kim he tell her we're both not stupid enough to throw away their lives for no reason.
that was when he was gene and still saul, he also relapsed into scamming innocent people during this time, including a poor guy with cancer and a dead dog
why does Cinemaphile think a scumbag ultra scam artist (even worse than a pajeet one) doesn't deserve to be thrown in prison, key thrown away?
Because he's fricking fictional and its about a satisfying end for a fictional character.
Throwing his life away to simp for his ex wife was not satisfying
>I need a happy ending
It's only not satisfying to you because your brain is that of a toddler
Vince's are morality tales. If you want satisfaction go coom somewhere.
>morality tales
>Walt successfully accomplishes everything he set out to do, gets revenge on all his enemies, dies on his own terms when he was going to be dead from cancer in a few months anyway
>jesse gets off scot-free, has some trauma but a fresh start in his mid 20s
Walt confesses his sins and admits it was his own ego.
He tells his b***h wife what she wants to hear.
>wah, my epic lawyer character had something bad happen to him
brainlet take, i was rooting for Saul but he's also an anti-hero. He doesn't deserve a good ending
The problem will always be that he already started off with the perfect bad ending. Being miserable and forever paranoid as Gene despite having his freedom was the perfect conclusion for the Saul we knew from BrBa. This whole prison pseudo redemption just rings hollow in comparison.
I don't get what you mean by "rings hollow in comparison", how his him ending up in prison more hollow than not? The use of the word hollow here makes no sense, it is if you are writing that any situation where he ends up in prison is automatically cheap because "reasons".
It seems to me you just don't like the idea of Jimmy dying in prison and have to intellectualize it.
An anti-hero being punished in the end is the actual cliche thing. Why should that be satisfying?
Also as far as I'm concerned he went through shit all the time.
Because he's white.
He had a good reason for everything he did and he actually wanted to help people. The real villains are the institutions. Mesa Verde Bank. They wanted to take a guy's home away and saul was the only one who cared initially.
Let's admit that they fricked up by making Saul so sympathetic and good natured in BCS because he was the protag. It's made their "I sacrificed my life to atone for my sins" ending feel unnecessary. He should've killed the cancer man or marion for this to really work.
>Only 2 years passed between Saul meeting Walt and the present timeline
What. So he was only living in hiding for a few months at most?
Yup. Both shows happening in such a short timeframe makes everything worse.
yeah i was shocked when i found out the gene period was only a few months after BB. i thought it was like 2012, not 2010
Supossably the movie is going to follow the book. Saul starts a prison revolt, kills 3 guards and escapes to Mexico with Kim and Jesse to become boss of bosses of the cartel.
It looks like everyone hating the ending completely disregard the cancer guy or forgot the last episode before the finale,
The entire point of Jimmy stealing from the cancer guy was to show that Jimmy cannot stop himself.
No matter what he does or where he goes, slipping Jimmy will always con and steal and ruin people's lives.
Jimmy understood this. That's exactly what Chuck said. Slipping Jimmy. Always scamming. Always ruining people
Jimmy chose the 86 years in jail to stop himself from ever ruining someone else's life.
It has nothing to do with Kim. If anything he did this to say sorry to chuck.
No one will ever be scammed again
>It has nothing to do with Kim
Right anon, thats why he wanted her to witness his confession. Because it wasn't about her. Right?
He wanted her to witness it
But it was for chuck.
Chuck was a manipulative butthole. He wanted Jimmy to be beneath him. He doesnt deserve Jimmy's remorse.
But that's why this happened after the cancer guy.
Even the other thief says "No. WE CANT ROB CANCER GUY. NO"
The fact that Jimmy broke his window and stole his watch shows that Jimmy will always hurt people.
Like a drug addict. He can't stop. Jail was a way to save others from slipping Jimmy
did you not watch the flashback part which showed that Jimmy completely shut down Chuck when he tried to open up to him?
>Oh wow Chuck tried to be nice one time, my whole perspective has changed!
And in case you're a moron, Chuck was literally trying to convince Jimmy that he wasnt happy being a lawyer. He was being manipulative in that fricking scene
Jimmy flipped out at him and he was too slow to realise that he was pissed at him, not his job so that's why he said that about lawyering. he was trying to open up to his brother, you could argue chuck was sloppy in that situation but it's well established that he's very awkward socially anyway.
there was a lot going on in that scene, to be honest. the fact he was reading the time machine, and that earlier scene with walter about the time machine suggests that chuck probably had regrets with the way he treated his brother. come on man, it's all there
He will kill himself in the prison before he gets raped by a Black man
kek, why are they even there, what sort of closure does watching the lawyer for the guy who indirectly had your husbands killed get jailed going to bring? fricking skyler and jesse freaking had more to do with hank and gomez death than saul did.
Jesus fricking christ Marie
Vince just hated him like Chase hated Tony Soprano.
>Jimmy can't end up in prison because other people didn't end up in prison
I'm surprised someone is actually arguing this.
>Show barely shows Saul
>He dies a cuck for a hole
honestly wish i didnt bother watching this piece of shit
bravo vince, but you wont get me again
Maybe with good behaviour his sentence could be reduced
I liked the ending, even if I would have preferred that he was just caught and none of the redemption arc bullshit was inserted. Him simply getting caught and trying to weasel his way out with nothing working and Kim crying in the back would have been more kino. End scene is Jimmy hanging himself in prison.
Lmfao, I’m so glad I didn’t invest any time/effort into this last season. Sounds like a complete shit show.
Everything was good until the scenes after the events of BB really.
I like Jesse's movie
>giving up yourself to feds is... LE GOOD xDDD
>rotting in inhumane US prison is LE GOOD for your CONSCIENCE xDD
>praise christ bro and let tyrone frick your wife
last episode was a blatant propaganda and it's not even fricking funny
This is exactly the kind of edgy homosexualry that makes people laugh at us. Get a fricking grip.
up yourself to feds is... LE GOOD
He literally got caught hiding in a dumpster, and fricked the feds in the ass by getting a 100+ year sentence wittled down to nothing.
He had the power, he chose to serve his time to help Kim get off scot free by casting doubt in her affidavit
>he chose to serve his time to help Kim get off scot free by casting doubt in her affidavit
Black person, this literally did not happen.
I know it wasn't explicitly stated, so it probably flew over your head because of that, but jimmy saying blow for blow what happened with Howard then admitting he lied about EVERYTHING in his plea deal including that testimony would lead the authorities to assume the events with Howard also didn't happen which means the new mexico DA would have just continued to sit on it and Howards wife couldn't sue Kim. Dumbass.
Black person, Jimmy DIDN'T give the same account of the Howard incident as Kim. That was the point. He gave new information to incriminate her so 1) the feds would take it, because it wasn't what they already had, and 2) Kim would have to show up in court to hear his testimony because it might open her to criminal charges, as on her own affidavit she was not going to be criminally charged
I can't tell if youre the world champion paint-drinker, or just didnt watch the show
Mhm, so why did he suddenly say it when he found out Kim was going to get fricked in the ass with a civil suit?
Black person, because in the previous episode Kim berated him for not turning himself in, so he pointed out that she was still hiding the truth about Howard.
Then he learns she actually did confess and he realises he's been a piece of shit and should have to courage to confess as she did insted of continuing to get away with it
You're literally
aren't you?
don't worry, he's slipping Jimmy, he'll scheme his way out
i gotta be honest Cinemaphile
I haven't watched a single second if BCS, i just grab whatever pieces of the plot is said here and make you fight each other over misinterpreting it
>Staying in prison is...le good!?
Even a gangbanger from Compton would argue otherwise.
Someone post the webm of the black guy saying "It's better call saul"
YES HE LITERALLY DID YOU ACTUAL AUTISTIC FRICK