They didn't even refute Gorr. They were like "uh, sure, gods are pretty shitty, but, like, uh, FRICK YOU!" It's clear where the Waititi's true sympathies lie.
I usually don't mind the leftist anti-establishment subliminal messaging in modern Hollywood movies but this movie is not even criticizing any specific real-world thing. What the frick is the point of making an antagonist who is completely in the right?
>What the frick is the point of making an antagonist who is completely in the right?
Gorr was wrong, though. He couldn't get to Omnipotence City, where the REAL 'frick the mortals, we don't give a shit about their suffering' gods were hanging out. So he was going around killing of the gods he could find, which were the gods actually out interacting with and protecting their people.
Its like hating the US Government for fricking up your country, but they are across and ocean so you kidnap and execute some red cross volunteers in your country instead. Your primary vengeance may be justified, but you couldn't reach them so you took it out on whoever was within range, which are not the people you were actually mad at.
>Its like hating the US Government for fricking up your country, but they are across and ocean so you kidnap and execute some red cross volunteers in your country instead.
That's not a great comparison. American Red Cross is evil and it would be perfectly reasonable to kidnap and execute them.
Didn’t ISIS literally do this with all of their american hostages? They were all like aid workers who came to syria to help in humanitarian causes and they were kidnapped and beheaded anyway.
>leftist anti-establishment subliminal messaging in modern Hollywood movies
What movies are you watching? I can't think of any mainstream Hollywood movie that doesn't peddle liberal claptrap, or outright military propaganda. Hollywood is part of the 'establishment' why would they make truly anti-establishment films?
Right wingers are fricking disabled when it comes to labelling anything on a political spectrum. They literally think anything that isn't conservative is 'leftist' because they aren't smart enough to classify it properly. These aren't smart people, they're literally young online right-wing losers
like look at this shit >I usually don't mind the leftist anti-establishment subliminal messaging in modern Hollywood movies but this movie is not even criticizing any specific real-world thing. What the frick is the point of making an antagonist who is completely in the right?
This anon literally can't understand that sometimes, movies can have a sympathetic bad guy. They're questioning the point of the movie instead of just thinking about what it means to have a character like that. These are NOT smart people, they are dumb as frick and obsessed with labelling everything they don't agree with as 'left-wing' propaganda regardless of where it ACTUALLY sits on the political spectrum lmao
what bothers me about political discourse in this website is how often you homosexuals single one poster out and assume everyone from the adjacent parties is the exact same. you're fricking toxic and moronic
the average right-wing poster on this website uses 'leftist' to describe literally anything they don't agree with. it ranges from trends in culture to identity politics to elections to tv shows... the left is barely existent anywhere in the modern west and the amount of things I see being blamed on 'leftists' proves this idiots have no fricking clue what they're talking about
>Gorr has a conversation with Valkyrie about how the Gods failed her and let her sisters die >Valkyrie is visibly shook and is crying, though her mouth was kept shut you could tell she has no refutation to what Gorr is saying >rest of the movie doesn't give a frick about this interaction, Valkyrie is sidelined and supports Thor going to beat Gorr
It's like Waitti wanted to tease you with a good plot for a second and then went back to his deranged comedy.
>supports thor going to beat gorr
Doesn't she care about thor? Gorr winning means her friend would die, even if she agrees with Gorr, Thor actually tries to help people, and is a friend of hers. did you expect her to turncoat?
>did you expect her to turncoat?
Of course not, but I think they could have acknowledged her opinions more. Like if she said to Thor that he is different from the other gods and she fully supports him. That he might bring about a change in the lazier, more prideful and she will stand by his side.
homie, phase 3 and 4 has been pure luciferians, depopulation agenda, thinly veiled classest lunatics all trying to tell us to accepts, their creepy hedonistic insane sterilization and orgy plans and ket them keep the children as brainwashed toys.
Religion is bad but worship of totally unfounded quasi scientific hogwash and objectively evil morality I'd good
Too many humans I'd bad....because resources.
Meaning the broken vspitLisr system and cibtrol measures for humanity can't keep rolling forward if humanity is too plentiful and self sufficient.
They are not an attack on the elite and elitist ideologies we ate brainwashed by media and academia and news into worshipping.
They are a direct attack on the very idea of spirituality.
Explain the sheer moronation of the thanos plan and then tell me why no one ar any point tried to point out how stupid it was.
Captain Americs didn't even open his goddamned mouth
Fuvking Starlord or Tony Stark didn't either.
Even the in story justifications are stupid shit.
Want to know why it was changed to something so goddamned dumb and never ever challenged?
They want it to be in the audiences head and for it to be seen as emotionally right.
You're goddamned moronic or a shill if you don't see what those motherfrickers are doing.
>Explain the sheer moronation of the thanos plan and then tell me why no one ar any point tried to point out how stupid it was.
Gamora did, but yeah, it would've been nice if some of it had come from the Avengers, too.
I remember some anon here throwing a Tantrum because he was supposedly saying "Make Olympus Great Again", so I went to the movie, but he never said that line and now I feel cheated.
>mortals have but forgotten the gods for a thousand years or more >wants to be left alone in the frick off super sekrit totally not Olympus city of gods and let the moronic monkeys fend for themselves >stupid blond snowmonkey crashes the orgy party and steals his thunder because muh godkilla and muh mortal girlfiends cancer >he's somehow the bad guy because he told them to frick off
I'll never understand it no matter how many times i see this trope
blond snowmonkey crashes the orgy party and steals his thunder because muh godkilla and muh mortal girlfiends cancer
Pretty sure it was because Ghorr kidnapped Asguardian childs And Zeus refused to help and even decided to keep him against his will, preventing him to rescue the kids.
>somebody else kidnapped somebody elses kids so it's ok to crash the party and make it my problem
Should've just skipped not olympus and gone after the guy to begin with
>Should've just skipped not olympus and gone after the guy to begin with
They went to the God City precisely because they knew they might not be able to stop Ghorr on their own.
>Not invited,not wanted there to begin with.
kids of your people being kidnapped and a threat to all gods is reason enough to ask for help without being invited first.
>They did tho ,so....
They basically just needed the lightning bolt
It's ny headcanon when he gave the kids the power of Thor, it was the Power of Thor while welding the Thunder bolt.
>They basically just needed the lightning bolt
At the cost of Jane's life. She migth still be alive if Zeus and the God hadn't been complete dicks about it.
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Anonymous
Well now dhe can chill in Valhalla and eait for Ragnarok.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wait*
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well now dhe can chill in Valhalla and eait for Ragnarok.
Isn't viking time cyclical? Ragnarok destroys the universe and it's made again?
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Anonymous
He was there more to show that Gorr had a point, but they also showed that he killed gods that, at least according to Thor (who clearly wasn't the best judge of character), were very nice.
No, no no no. The world isn't so much reborn as a new world rises from the ashes of the Surtr roasted World Tree. A couple of humans survive by hiding within the tangle of Yggdrasil's roots and some of the gods survive. Baldur, for instance, is supposed to finally get out of Hel. At least one of Thor's sons survives, too. Modi, if I recall correctly, his child with a giantess.
But that's just the written accounts for Ragnarok. Less of a reboot of the world and more like old school shit like Noah's flood "destroying" the world but survivors rebuilding. If you mean Marvel, then yeah the Asgardians have faced their reckoning and returned a couple times now.
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Anonymous
>Eat for Ragnarok
Fricking Architects of the apocalypse.
>Should've just skipped not olympus and gone after the guy to begin with
They went to the God City precisely because they knew they might not be able to stop Ghorr on their own.
>Zeus refused to help and even decided to keep him against his will, preventing him to rescue the kids.
You now realize that Valkyrie did the exact same thing in Ragnarok, right up until the film decided she was actually a good guy in act 3.
So I was thinking about Love and Thunder, honestly it pissed me off.
They have Quetzalcoatl in it, just in the background. Thor even mentioned him by name. It's my problem with Ragnarok, they take something that's supposed to be huge and just turn it into a joke.
He's the most well-known Aztec god. His depictions vary but he's commonly thought of as a powerful trickster god and some people think that's pretty cool.
Honestly, the Omnipotence City scene would have been greatly improved by having a giant feathered rainbow snake in the crowd. Would have been a fun way to spice things up.
Why the frick was Gorr even killing gods personally, all he needed to do was go to Infinity whatever and make the wish. Guess he needed the title of God butcher first. Fricking stupid.
Just have him be a God Butcher, it's like Marvel can't function unless the villain needs a mcguffin to chase.
Also Gorr having a daughter annoying. It's always super hero gets paired with a little girl, I think Groot is the only boy with a super power at this point.
>It's always super hero gets paired with a little girl
It feels like this trope is always happening in media today. It’s like, you want the traditional appeal of a male protagonist because female protagonists still aren’t really taken seriously, but it can’t be too guy-centered because that would turn off girls, so they give some little girl for the guy or just straight up baby so that they can protect them without it ever feeling weird and get girl-power points when they teach them to fight.
The only recent major western (Californian) media I can think of with a father/son main duo is God of War 2018.
It's always been a pretty stupid idea to have several pantheons co-exist in Marvel. Whenever there's some important cosmic shit going on,the Asgardian noble family is always at the forefront of it. What the frick is Zeus doing in the meantime? What the frick are the rest of the gods doing?
The Asgardian gods are proactive because Odin is the most proactive highfather. The rest are rather content to stay in there realms and not frick around with mortals anymore.
Hell Thor being banished was the catalyst for Odin looking as Midgard again anyway.
I legitimately thought they were going to have Jane ask him about the women he raped, but I guess despite all the other risque jokes in the movie mentioning rape is still a big no-on.
>Gorr the God-Butcher >butchers one god on screen >Thor butchered as many gods as he did until it was retconned >technically he still butchered as many gods as Gorr because of Hela >Thor and variant Loki are apparently the only norse gods still around, we didn't get to see Freyja, Skaldi, Baldr, Tyr, or literally anyone >no Egyptian gods despite Moon Knight being introduced a few months before the movie came out >no East Asian or South American gods even though an Aztec god was namedropped
Sam Raimi should have directed the God Butcher movie and Taika Waititi should have turned Mutliverse of Madness into a comedy where Strange and America fight Nightmare instead of Wanda. Love and Thunder desperately needed a scene like the Illuminati scene.
>>no Egyptian gods despite Moon Knight being introduced a few months before the movie came out
Multiverse of Madness proved that TV series don't matter. The directors of the movies can get away with not watching them.
>proved that TV series don't matter
I mean nothing matters. Really all it takes is one hand wave explanation and you can have Doom or FF be in MCU canon all along.
>Taika Waititi should have turned Mutliverse of Madness into a comedy where Strange and America fight Nightmare instead of Wanda.
No frick that. The only marvel character Taika Waititi needs to get his hands on is Howard the Duck.
>Love and Thunder desperately needed a scene like the Illuminati scene.
That was the whole Omnipotent City sequence. They're both "the main hero is put forth before a council who logically should be helping them with the threat but then they don't because they're buttholes and then they die and the hero escapes" sequences. Sure, there's some slight variation, but they're basically the same thing.
You don't understand the point. Gorr needed to butcher gods the way Wanda butchered the Illuminati. His name is Gorr the GOD BUTCHER. I said this in that post, but you need to hear it again: Gorr only butchered one god on screen. Thor butchered as many gods as Gorr.
They coulda fixed this movie by establishing the blade itself as having its own will and making it the villain, while making Gorr the pawn.
Literally the last fight even boils down to "destroy the sword so he loses his powers" so why not capitalize on that in the build up? Gorr should have realized he wanted his daughter back more than the gods dead AS SOON AS the sword was destroyed. It should not have taken Thor telling him. That was moronic.
Make the sword the villain, make Gorr sympathetic, fix the fricking characters.
>make Gorr sympathetic
you mean like every single MCU villain? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
Call me old fashioned but I was kind of hoping Zeus would be a bit more conventional. Old, annoyed, set in his ways, and above all a force of nature to rival that of Odin. But Thor films have doubled down on the silly so I expected nothing. Would have been nice to see Zeus do at least ONE menacing thing to show his power besides a damn light show
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Yahweh_(Earth-616) >Since 1938[14] and due to the actions of Adolf Hitler, God started drinking[Howerd the Duck Vol. 3 #4] at bender-level, going at Job's Place in Hell. >He suffered from a tripolar disorder causing his appearance as the Triune: God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. He also sometimes went trolling for virgins. During that time, he didn't speak to anybody. [Howard the Duck Vol. 3 #5] >
I don't know history at all but it feels weird that Thor is younger than Zeus or inspired by him. Is Greek Mythology that much older than Viking Mythology?
You know what peeves me? The perfect Zeus is DCEU's body with MCU's hairstyle and beard. Why couldn't Snyder at least give his big sweaty men cool hairdos?
that's possible, but short haired Zeus doesn't sit right with me. you can have the hairstyle without being hoary.
tangentially I also love how massive the greek gods were. Zeus must've been what, 8 feet tall?
MCU Zeus looks better but DCEU Zeus has the better lightning bolt. Looks-wise, DCEU Zeus just looks like Leonidas from 300. Which I just remembered Zach Snyder did so it was probably intentional goddammit
What even are the Gods in the MCU? Early on the Asgardians were played as being aliens that Vikings took as Gods, are all the other Gods aliens too? Aliens that just happen to look like whoever it is that worships them, or do they adapt to the worshipper? Does the worshipper create them through belief? And how are there multiple afterlives? This whole God thing is a clusterfrick.
I've seen this picture for a while, but I've only just realized that the dark side of him is supposed to be his father and his sickle. Before I thought they just wanted to make him more edgy.
What? Zeus was fricking moronic. Gorr was great, with that heavy sword Dark Souls walk.
Can't you ask the more important question? Like why did Eternity grant Gorrs wish, even though he used Thors weapon to unlock his realm. Why couldnt Thor wish for shit there? Why is Eternity just some shithead in a One Above All's realm who grants wishes like a cuck? Why is he there. Who does he usually grant wishes for? Why is he easily accessible with some random Asgardian axe, considering he's so high in the hirarchy. He's basically the god of gods.
The axe was not the key to the door, the bifrost was. The Bifrost that Odin made and which was controlled from Asgard.
The logical answer here is that the way to Eternity used to be open to anyone, but Odin got nervous about the implications there and put a lock on the door which only Asgard could open. Then Asgard blew up and Stormbreaker was the only thing left in the universe which could summon the bifrost, and thus became the only remaining key.
I feel the next Thor movie needs to address the whole "What exactly are the Gods really?" thing.
The Eternals, Celestials and Thanos and his brother sorta muddy the whole thing up.
And also you have the Elders of the Universe (A scene where Gorr fights the Grandmaster was cut, so Gorr considers him a God apparently).
And what is up with all the useless "civilian" Gods anyway?
The MCU’s current world building regarding gods and the afterlife makes no frickin sense now. Thor vs the Gods would’ve been a way more interesting movie than what we got. LaT honestly feels like a footnote in the grand scheme of things, but that’s probably just because there’s no real progress being made in the overall story right now besides the looming threat of Secret Wars.
I think that was intentional considering the sequel setup.
They didn't even refute Gorr. They were like "uh, sure, gods are pretty shitty, but, like, uh, FRICK YOU!" It's clear where the Waititi's true sympathies lie.
I usually don't mind the leftist anti-establishment subliminal messaging in modern Hollywood movies but this movie is not even criticizing any specific real-world thing. What the frick is the point of making an antagonist who is completely in the right?
>What the frick is the point of making an antagonist who is completely in the right?
Gorr was wrong, though. He couldn't get to Omnipotence City, where the REAL 'frick the mortals, we don't give a shit about their suffering' gods were hanging out. So he was going around killing of the gods he could find, which were the gods actually out interacting with and protecting their people.
Its like hating the US Government for fricking up your country, but they are across and ocean so you kidnap and execute some red cross volunteers in your country instead. Your primary vengeance may be justified, but you couldn't reach them so you took it out on whoever was within range, which are not the people you were actually mad at.
He was going to kill all the gods anyway when he got to Eternity.
>Its like hating the US Government for fricking up your country, but they are across and ocean so you kidnap and execute some red cross volunteers in your country instead.
That's not a great comparison. American Red Cross is evil and it would be perfectly reasonable to kidnap and execute them.
Could have just said
>it's like Antifa being against cops and government but burning down small/family owned establishments
they burned walmarts
No they burned and looted every and anything, including small businesses like salons and delis.
In other words, black lives matter.
Didn’t ISIS literally do this with all of their american hostages? They were all like aid workers who came to syria to help in humanitarian causes and they were kidnapped and beheaded anyway.
>Your primary vengeance may be justified,
have a nice day commie
But he was going to merc Zeus & co when he got to Eternity anyway.
So what your saying is that Gorr should have comitted celestial 9/11?
[Spoiler]Hello Based department?[/Spoiler]
I indeed expected him to crash Omnipotence City and go absolutely berserk on the gods there.
>leftist anti-establishment subliminal messaging in modern Hollywood movies
What movies are you watching? I can't think of any mainstream Hollywood movie that doesn't peddle liberal claptrap, or outright military propaganda. Hollywood is part of the 'establishment' why would they make truly anti-establishment films?
A lot of modern Hollywood movies are about how government/some societal tradition is bad.
>government is bad
Truth.
>government is bad unless I'm in charge of it
Is this what you actually meant, anon?
That’s in the aim of corporate control though. Still not leftist. Very lib.
>subliminal
It was very honest and open about it, anon.
Alot of libs got pissed off by joker tho
Right wingers are fricking disabled when it comes to labelling anything on a political spectrum. They literally think anything that isn't conservative is 'leftist' because they aren't smart enough to classify it properly. These aren't smart people, they're literally young online right-wing losers
like look at this shit
>I usually don't mind the leftist anti-establishment subliminal messaging in modern Hollywood movies but this movie is not even criticizing any specific real-world thing. What the frick is the point of making an antagonist who is completely in the right?
This anon literally can't understand that sometimes, movies can have a sympathetic bad guy. They're questioning the point of the movie instead of just thinking about what it means to have a character like that. These are NOT smart people, they are dumb as frick and obsessed with labelling everything they don't agree with as 'left-wing' propaganda regardless of where it ACTUALLY sits on the political spectrum lmao
what bothers me about political discourse in this website is how often you homosexuals single one poster out and assume everyone from the adjacent parties is the exact same. you're fricking toxic and moronic
the average right-wing poster on this website uses 'leftist' to describe literally anything they don't agree with. it ranges from trends in culture to identity politics to elections to tv shows... the left is barely existent anywhere in the modern west and the amount of things I see being blamed on 'leftists' proves this idiots have no fricking clue what they're talking about
>Gorr has a conversation with Valkyrie about how the Gods failed her and let her sisters die
>Valkyrie is visibly shook and is crying, though her mouth was kept shut you could tell she has no refutation to what Gorr is saying
>rest of the movie doesn't give a frick about this interaction, Valkyrie is sidelined and supports Thor going to beat Gorr
It's like Waitti wanted to tease you with a good plot for a second and then went back to his deranged comedy.
>supports thor going to beat gorr
Doesn't she care about thor? Gorr winning means her friend would die, even if she agrees with Gorr, Thor actually tries to help people, and is a friend of hers. did you expect her to turncoat?
>did you expect her to turncoat?
Of course not, but I think they could have acknowledged her opinions more. Like if she said to Thor that he is different from the other gods and she fully supports him. That he might bring about a change in the lazier, more prideful and she will stand by his side.
homie, phase 3 and 4 has been pure luciferians, depopulation agenda, thinly veiled classest lunatics all trying to tell us to accepts, their creepy hedonistic insane sterilization and orgy plans and ket them keep the children as brainwashed toys.
Religion is bad but worship of totally unfounded quasi scientific hogwash and objectively evil morality I'd good
Too many humans I'd bad....because resources.
Meaning the broken vspitLisr system and cibtrol measures for humanity can't keep rolling forward if humanity is too plentiful and self sufficient.
They are not an attack on the elite and elitist ideologies we ate brainwashed by media and academia and news into worshipping.
They are a direct attack on the very idea of spirituality.
Did you have a mini-stroke while writing that gibberish? What do "vspitLisr system and cibtrol measure" mean in the world of sane people?
Samsung spellcheck randomly changes words to other shit and just says frick it to words that should be spellchecker
I gave up on it most times.
But your fricking tinfoil back on.
God, I wish you nutzos could go on a boat just so I could sink it.
Explain the sheer moronation of the thanos plan and then tell me why no one ar any point tried to point out how stupid it was.
Captain Americs didn't even open his goddamned mouth
Fuvking Starlord or Tony Stark didn't either.
Even the in story justifications are stupid shit.
Want to know why it was changed to something so goddamned dumb and never ever challenged?
They want it to be in the audiences head and for it to be seen as emotionally right.
You're goddamned moronic or a shill if you don't see what those motherfrickers are doing.
I'm not talking about movies, I'm talking about your shitty conspiracy takes.
....
You stupid fricking c**t
THAT IS THE "CONSPIRACY.
Teaching the audience stupidbideas with awful stories.
That's a fact
That's reality.
>Explain the sheer moronation of the thanos plan and then tell me why no one ar any point tried to point out how stupid it was.
Gamora did, but yeah, it would've been nice if some of it had come from the Avengers, too.
current state of Milk Toast U
He was the second best part of the movie
I remember some anon here throwing a Tantrum because he was supposedly saying "Make Olympus Great Again", so I went to the movie, but he never said that line and now I feel cheated.
>mortals have but forgotten the gods for a thousand years or more
>wants to be left alone in the frick off super sekrit totally not Olympus city of gods and let the moronic monkeys fend for themselves
>stupid blond snowmonkey crashes the orgy party and steals his thunder because muh godkilla and muh mortal girlfiends cancer
>he's somehow the bad guy because he told them to frick off
I'll never understand it no matter how many times i see this trope
blond snowmonkey crashes the orgy party and steals his thunder because muh godkilla and muh mortal girlfiends cancer
Pretty sure it was because Ghorr kidnapped Asguardian childs And Zeus refused to help and even decided to keep him against his will, preventing him to rescue the kids.
>somebody else kidnapped somebody elses kids so it's ok to crash the party and make it my problem
Should've just skipped not olympus and gone after the guy to begin with
else kidnapped somebody elses kids so it's ok to crash the party and make it my problem
Not the point.
Thor came to ask for help and warn them of the threat.
Zeus decided to imprison Thor, preventing him to rescue the kids when he decided to go on his own after Zeus said no.
Don't try to rewrite what happened, Thor was 100% justified.
Not invited,not wanted there to begin with.
They did tho ,so....
>Not invited,not wanted there to begin with.
kids of your people being kidnapped and a threat to all gods is reason enough to ask for help without being invited first.
>They did tho ,so....
>They basically just needed the lightning bolt
At the cost of Jane's life. She migth still be alive if Zeus and the God hadn't been complete dicks about it.
Well now dhe can chill in Valhalla and eait for Ragnarok.
Wait*
Isn't viking time cyclical? Ragnarok destroys the universe and it's made again?
He was there more to show that Gorr had a point, but they also showed that he killed gods that, at least according to Thor (who clearly wasn't the best judge of character), were very nice.
No, no no no. The world isn't so much reborn as a new world rises from the ashes of the Surtr roasted World Tree. A couple of humans survive by hiding within the tangle of Yggdrasil's roots and some of the gods survive. Baldur, for instance, is supposed to finally get out of Hel. At least one of Thor's sons survives, too. Modi, if I recall correctly, his child with a giantess.
But that's just the written accounts for Ragnarok. Less of a reboot of the world and more like old school shit like Noah's flood "destroying" the world but survivors rebuilding. If you mean Marvel, then yeah the Asgardians have faced their reckoning and returned a couple times now.
>Eat for Ragnarok
Fricking Architects of the apocalypse.
>Should've just skipped not olympus and gone after the guy to begin with
They went to the God City precisely because they knew they might not be able to stop Ghorr on their own.
They basically just needed the lightning bolt
It's ny headcanon when he gave the kids the power of Thor, it was the Power of Thor while welding the Thunder bolt.
>Zeus refused to help and even decided to keep him against his will, preventing him to rescue the kids.
You now realize that Valkyrie did the exact same thing in Ragnarok, right up until the film decided she was actually a good guy in act 3.
No, this is different. Valkyrie is bisexual girl and she was kind of hot already, so that only adds up.
Thanks Val, it wasn't enough to see your sisters killed by Hella she got all the soldiers killed too.
Based SMT
So I was thinking about Love and Thunder, honestly it pissed me off.
They have Quetzalcoatl in it, just in the background. Thor even mentioned him by name. It's my problem with Ragnarok, they take something that's supposed to be huge and just turn it into a joke.
Frick you!
What's the big deal about him?
He's the most well-known Aztec god. His depictions vary but he's commonly thought of as a powerful trickster god and some people think that's pretty cool.
You're thinking of Tezcatlipoca, not Quetzalcoatl
Honestly, the Omnipotence City scene would have been greatly improved by having a giant feathered rainbow snake in the crowd. Would have been a fun way to spice things up.
hes the mexican joker
That's not supposed to be a joke, you are getting all upset for invalid reasons.
It's a place where all the gods are. Why wouldn't Quetzalcoat not be there?
He mispronounced him. I don't remember how, but I remember it wasn't correct. Stupid Americans not respecting other cultures, as usual.
Why the frick was Gorr even killing gods personally, all he needed to do was go to Infinity whatever and make the wish. Guess he needed the title of God butcher first. Fricking stupid.
>this is your brain on CinemaSins
He needed to attract Thor's attention.
Did he now? Was stealing the kids also part of getting his attention? Because he could have started with that.
Just have him be a God Butcher, it's like Marvel can't function unless the villain needs a mcguffin to chase.
Also Gorr having a daughter annoying. It's always super hero gets paired with a little girl, I think Groot is the only boy with a super power at this point.
>It's always super hero gets paired with a little girl
It feels like this trope is always happening in media today. It’s like, you want the traditional appeal of a male protagonist because female protagonists still aren’t really taken seriously, but it can’t be too guy-centered because that would turn off girls, so they give some little girl for the guy or just straight up baby so that they can protect them without it ever feeling weird and get girl-power points when they teach them to fight.
The only recent major western (Californian) media I can think of with a father/son main duo is God of War 2018.
It's always been a pretty stupid idea to have several pantheons co-exist in Marvel. Whenever there's some important cosmic shit going on,the Asgardian noble family is always at the forefront of it. What the frick is Zeus doing in the meantime? What the frick are the rest of the gods doing?
Also the fact that all Gods have orgies feels disrespectful. If it was just Olympus I would totally understand.
This fricker goes hard
imagine him at the orgy suckin off zeus
Someone shop an ahegao face onto it.
The Gods are not forced to all participate. Only the willing.
they should be reserved for when disney buys dc
The comics literally explain this.
The Asgardian gods are proactive because Odin is the most proactive highfather. The rest are rather content to stay in there realms and not frick around with mortals anymore.
Hell Thor being banished was the catalyst for Odin looking as Midgard again anyway.
I legitimately thought they were going to have Jane ask him about the women he raped, but I guess despite all the other risque jokes in the movie mentioning rape is still a big no-on.
I find it hilarious that the Onmni whatever was just a shitty version of colosseum place in Lego Movie
So, I'm guessing the Necrosword was made by Chthon, who hates all the second generation God's.
So that's not Olympus? Legal nonesense? Seriously why?
Why did they have a fricking ice cream shop based on The Snap.
Marvel Studios doesnt care.
>Gorr the God-Butcher
>butchers one god on screen
>Thor butchered as many gods as he did until it was retconned
>technically he still butchered as many gods as Gorr because of Hela
>Thor and variant Loki are apparently the only norse gods still around, we didn't get to see Freyja, Skaldi, Baldr, Tyr, or literally anyone
>no Egyptian gods despite Moon Knight being introduced a few months before the movie came out
>no East Asian or South American gods even though an Aztec god was namedropped
Sam Raimi should have directed the God Butcher movie and Taika Waititi should have turned Mutliverse of Madness into a comedy where Strange and America fight Nightmare instead of Wanda. Love and Thunder desperately needed a scene like the Illuminati scene.
>>no Egyptian gods despite Moon Knight being introduced a few months before the movie came out
Multiverse of Madness proved that TV series don't matter. The directors of the movies can get away with not watching them.
>proved that TV series don't matter
I mean nothing matters. Really all it takes is one hand wave explanation and you can have Doom or FF be in MCU canon all along.
This is literally what will happen to the mutants, old ass Xavier, Cyclops and whatever else have been active all this time just hidden
>Multiverse of Madness proved that TV series don't matter.
No, it didn't. it follow straight to WandaVision.
>Taika Waititi should have turned Mutliverse of Madness into a comedy where Strange and America fight Nightmare instead of Wanda.
No frick that. The only marvel character Taika Waititi needs to get his hands on is Howard the Duck.
please no. I don't want to see him self inserting as Jesus when he does the alcoholic, MPD holy trinity
Oh word? Howard the Duck literally seems right up his alley. Either that or Big Bertha and her group of friends
>Love and Thunder desperately needed a scene like the Illuminati scene.
That was the whole Omnipotent City sequence. They're both "the main hero is put forth before a council who logically should be helping them with the threat but then they don't because they're buttholes and then they die and the hero escapes" sequences. Sure, there's some slight variation, but they're basically the same thing.
You don't understand the point. Gorr needed to butcher gods the way Wanda butchered the Illuminati. His name is Gorr the GOD BUTCHER. I said this in that post, but you need to hear it again: Gorr only butchered one god on screen. Thor butchered as many gods as Gorr.
They coulda fixed this movie by establishing the blade itself as having its own will and making it the villain, while making Gorr the pawn.
Literally the last fight even boils down to "destroy the sword so he loses his powers" so why not capitalize on that in the build up? Gorr should have realized he wanted his daughter back more than the gods dead AS SOON AS the sword was destroyed. It should not have taken Thor telling him. That was moronic.
Make the sword the villain, make Gorr sympathetic, fix the fricking characters.
>make Gorr sympathetic
you mean like every single MCU villain? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
Calm your anti Semitism,
why do people behave this way? the man is dead
It gives them a dopamine hit without actually doing anything constructive
Basically just a subset of social media brain poisoning
>simping for hitler
cringe senpai
the homie died 77 years ago
i always had a soft spot for the classics
>They coulda fixed this movie by establishing the blade itself as having its own will and making it the villain, while making Gorr the pawn.
It literally did, dumbfrick. Pay attention next time.
Call me old fashioned but I was kind of hoping Zeus would be a bit more conventional. Old, annoyed, set in his ways, and above all a force of nature to rival that of Odin. But Thor films have doubled down on the silly so I expected nothing. Would have been nice to see Zeus do at least ONE menacing thing to show his power besides a damn light show
Why didn't Gorr team up with one of the messiahs or called Stephen?
Actually does YHWH exist in Marvel?
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Yahweh_(Earth-616)
>Since 1938[14] and due to the actions of Adolf Hitler, God started drinking[Howerd the Duck Vol. 3 #4] at bender-level, going at Job's Place in Hell.
>He suffered from a tripolar disorder causing his appearance as the Triune: God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. He also sometimes went trolling for virgins. During that time, he didn't speak to anybody. [Howard the Duck Vol. 3 #5]
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Damn that was a stealthy fricking name drop. Her name was Love the entire time
If Kevin Feige was based he would have called Arnold and not that fat guy with that deplorable performance, there are movies that deserve the flop
Brian Blessed should have played Odin.
This looks like the dude whose sister just woke up from a coma and named him as the attacker.
What accent did he have? Russian? Romanian? I have no idea what a Greek accent sounds like
It's a Greek accent by way of Australia/New Zealand. Very specific stereotype but very obvious to fellow prison islanders.
Dude looks like a cross between russel crow and gabe newell
Is this a silly movie with a serious plot or a serious move with a silly plot? the former is always invariably dogshit for characters like Thor
It's Taika Watiti
The guy is suffering from terminal irony poisoning
Who was that sexy black goddess sat in front of them in the meeting room?
Right now, MCU just want to make every new capeshit comedy movie because it sells so well.
The audience should be blamed. They don't like serious superhero movie, only comedy.
Blamed for what? the movie is good.
I don't know history at all but it feels weird that Thor is younger than Zeus or inspired by him. Is Greek Mythology that much older than Viking Mythology?
Yes. Yes it is.
You know what peeves me? The perfect Zeus is DCEU's body with MCU's hairstyle and beard. Why couldn't Snyder at least give his big sweaty men cool hairdos?
Eh who knows, maybe Zeus was "younger" during Darkseid's invasion since it was 5000 years ago
that's possible, but short haired Zeus doesn't sit right with me. you can have the hairstyle without being hoary.
tangentially I also love how massive the greek gods were. Zeus must've been what, 8 feet tall?
Zeus does have longer hair when he casts down Ares though
MCU Zeus looks better but DCEU Zeus has the better lightning bolt. Looks-wise, DCEU Zeus just looks like Leonidas from 300. Which I just remembered Zach Snyder did so it was probably intentional goddammit
Not being a male homosexual, I don't have a problem at all with Crowe. I'm not looking for an ass parade in my children's movies.
>I'm not looking for an ass parade in my children's movies.
Lmao
Tbh real Zeus was a mix between both of these.
Russel Crowe's head is more like Zeus
Zeus should look pretty much like Michalengelo's Christian God in the creation of Adam
What even are the Gods in the MCU? Early on the Asgardians were played as being aliens that Vikings took as Gods, are all the other Gods aliens too? Aliens that just happen to look like whoever it is that worships them, or do they adapt to the worshipper? Does the worshipper create them through belief? And how are there multiple afterlives? This whole God thing is a clusterfrick.
You act like the god situation ever made sense in the comics. It was a clusterfrick of handwaves and non-explanations all the way down.
I've seen this picture for a while, but I've only just realized that the dark side of him is supposed to be his father and his sickle. Before I thought they just wanted to make him more edgy.
Who's Gorr?
The God Butcher.
What? Zeus was fricking moronic. Gorr was great, with that heavy sword Dark Souls walk.
Can't you ask the more important question? Like why did Eternity grant Gorrs wish, even though he used Thors weapon to unlock his realm. Why couldnt Thor wish for shit there? Why is Eternity just some shithead in a One Above All's realm who grants wishes like a cuck? Why is he there. Who does he usually grant wishes for? Why is he easily accessible with some random Asgardian axe, considering he's so high in the hirarchy. He's basically the god of gods.
SO. FRICKING. STUPID.
Wasn't the axe only forged a couple years ago? So there was no key for all eternity before then, so how was there even a legend?
The axe was not the key to the door, the bifrost was. The Bifrost that Odin made and which was controlled from Asgard.
The logical answer here is that the way to Eternity used to be open to anyone, but Odin got nervous about the implications there and put a lock on the door which only Asgard could open. Then Asgard blew up and Stormbreaker was the only thing left in the universe which could summon the bifrost, and thus became the only remaining key.
What I wouldn't give for a deleted scene or even just some fan art of him flicking Valkyrie and Jane's clothes off like he was going to
did he know Odin?
bump
Well said, anon.
Yes
I feel the next Thor movie needs to address the whole "What exactly are the Gods really?" thing.
The Eternals, Celestials and Thanos and his brother sorta muddy the whole thing up.
And also you have the Elders of the Universe (A scene where Gorr fights the Grandmaster was cut, so Gorr considers him a God apparently).
And what is up with all the useless "civilian" Gods anyway?
What I'm saying is: the Marvel Comics cosmology is way too layered and redundant and complex, the MCU cosmology doesn't have to be?
It's Zeus OP, of course he felt more like the bad guy because it's fricking Zeus.
That fatso had like 2 lines and job to his own thunder
The MCU’s current world building regarding gods and the afterlife makes no frickin sense now. Thor vs the Gods would’ve been a way more interesting movie than what we got. LaT honestly feels like a footnote in the grand scheme of things, but that’s probably just because there’s no real progress being made in the overall story right now besides the looming threat of Secret Wars.
i have to wonder if we're even gonna make it to Secret Wars unless we get immediate course correction.