Not really only about that though; this movie is great exactly for how understated the moral complexity is. The themes and "points" aren't spelled out, because no point worth making in these matters can be simplified that easily despite decades of children's movies providing simple solutions mostly involving how "being yourself" makes everything all right.
Felicity's conceit was that he was asking him to stop being what probably made her love him in the first place. Fox's faults were more obvious, but he still didn't get a 100% satisfying solution. If there is one simple "point" to the movie, I'd say it's that you are absolutely entitled to be who you want to be, but you should also take full responsibility for the consequences.
Except they're not. That's the point.
They *were* wild animals, but they've domesticated themselves. Mr Fox reminiscing about the good old says before he had a wife and kids and could do daredevil heists before realizing how he'd rather settle down and have a family is his arc. That's why they end up in a supermarket as opposed to living inna woods.
>mr fox is a great athlete >son aspires to be him but can't >son's crush dates the kid that's athletic like his dad
That's the equivalent of your husband being a career criminal for most his early life and then relapsing. You clearly don't get it.
>Him stealing that chicken ends up getting their house destroyed and their lives put in danger
yes it's true, the chads get plot armor and can do no wrong. even after everything that happens, everyone accepts mr fox as a cool guy.
Not really only about that though; this movie is great exactly for how understated the moral complexity is. The themes and "points" aren't spelled out, because no point worth making in these matters can be simplified that easily despite decades of children's movies providing simple solutions mostly involving how "being yourself" makes everything all right.
Felicity's conceit was that he was asking him to stop being what probably made her love him in the first place. Fox's faults were more obvious, but he still didn't get a 100% satisfying solution. If there is one simple "point" to the movie, I'd say it's that you are absolutely entitled to be who you want to be, but you should also take full responsibility for the consequences.
that's a good sentiment but mr fox didn't really accept consequences. lots of leaders make dumb decisions yet they're still liked. now which is more disgusting? leaders who make poor decisions or the followers who don't question them? or the writers who keep piling on the plot armor for the "alpha male" and reverse plot armor for whatever scapegoats?
P.S. when all the animals just safely live under a grocery store with no risk at the end, that's called plot armor
He set off a chain of events that caused his family and entire community to lose their homes and is still treated as a hero in the end, what the frick are you on about.
>Bean: Why'd he write this in letters cut out of magazines? >Some other farmer: I don't know but you did the same thing. >Bean: I don't trust this guy. Anyway, set up the ambush.
Bean is fricking hilarious. There's a scrapped scene in the original screenplay in which he critiques Felicity Fox's artwork when he finds the little picture after digging up the tree and he accurately judges she's venting some psychological issues.
No, he was completely in his right to disrespect petey. It's Petey who should've took it down a notch.
Hell peteys animosity towards bean isn't even warranted, fox has been ruining his livelyhood and getting paid to dig up a tree and hunt down this animal would in his perspective not be a bad thing. Peteys a little b***h and it really goes to show bean isn't as bad as we're told considering he wasn't fired on the spot or actually reprimanded.
Fox is a bastard >Leads a decent life but wants to feel like a big man >His ego destroys his community >Despite this he uses his charm and cunning to not only apologize but put himself in charge
He has a whole bullshit talk about them all being animals. Notice that besides being animals everyone has a job and a life as well. Many are doing fine, even Mr Fox. But living as man didn't put him in the spotlight. >Instead of focusing on them as people, Fox's plan focuses on them as animals. It just so happens that his animal nature is most important to the plan. >Forces the whole town to live underground, relying on his skill as Fox/Thief to survive. >Everyone loses except for Fox >But they lose just enough to be able to live with it
We go from a community of many different animals doing thier things with fox on the outskirts to community reliant entirely on the foxes.
Mr. Fox got everything he wanted, a complete and total victory that his friends and family paid for.
The man was a criminal and a fricking con man to the very end. He probably didn't mean any of it, he's just walking poison.
Dumbass, did you forget the entire scene with Badger? He's robbing the 3 most vile farmers, everyone knows there'd be consequences if he stole from them, but he did anyway because he's a fox dealing with a mid-life crisis and wants to prove that he's still a "wild" animal (when he isn't, hence why he fears wolves, because they are truly wild, unlike him)
This movie is kinda like Breaking Bad if you think about it. Right down to people blaming the wife for being angry at her husband turning criminal and putting the lives of their children in danger.
youre a fricking idiot, the movie was about a heister who puts his family in danger
ok white knights
Not really only about that though; this movie is great exactly for how understated the moral complexity is. The themes and "points" aren't spelled out, because no point worth making in these matters can be simplified that easily despite decades of children's movies providing simple solutions mostly involving how "being yourself" makes everything all right.
Felicity's conceit was that he was asking him to stop being what probably made her love him in the first place. Fox's faults were more obvious, but he still didn't get a 100% satisfying solution. If there is one simple "point" to the movie, I'd say it's that you are absolutely entitled to be who you want to be, but you should also take full responsibility for the consequences.
Good effort post.
Good take.
But they also made a big stink about them just being wild animals
Except they're not. That's the point.
They *were* wild animals, but they've domesticated themselves. Mr Fox reminiscing about the good old says before he had a wife and kids and could do daredevil heists before realizing how he'd rather settle down and have a family is his arc. That's why they end up in a supermarket as opposed to living inna woods.
it's a funny movie, however
>mr fox is a great athlete
>son aspires to be him but can't
>son's crush dates the kid that's athletic like his dad
yes it's true, the chads get plot armor and can do no wrong. even after everything that happens, everyone accepts mr fox as a cool guy.
that's a good sentiment but mr fox didn't really accept consequences. lots of leaders make dumb decisions yet they're still liked. now which is more disgusting? leaders who make poor decisions or the followers who don't question them? or the writers who keep piling on the plot armor for the "alpha male" and reverse plot armor for whatever scapegoats?
P.S. when all the animals just safely live under a grocery store with no risk at the end, that's called plot armor
That's the equivalent of your husband being a career criminal for most his early life and then relapsing. You clearly don't get it.
>Him stealing that chicken ends up getting their house destroyed and their lives put in danger
>He causes slight property damage
>Everyone thinks he's the worst person ever
What a dumb plot
He set off a chain of events that caused his family and entire community to lose their homes and is still treated as a hero in the end, what the frick are you on about.
Wasn't it implied that she used to be a bawd in her youth, though?
Figures anons in this board would cling at the notion that having sex is inversely conductive of being right.
You didn't answer my question.
Those farmers had no chill, that haunting children's song was right.
>Bean: Why'd he write this in letters cut out of magazines?
>Some other farmer: I don't know but you did the same thing.
>Bean: I don't trust this guy. Anyway, set up the ambush.
Bean is fricking hilarious. There's a scrapped scene in the original screenplay in which he critiques Felicity Fox's artwork when he finds the little picture after digging up the tree and he accurately judges she's venting some psychological issues.
Ohh I'd like that
It's a shitty adaptation of a fun kids' book.
Don't worry Wes Anderson filters plenty of people
you know *waves hands* different
Who was in the wrong here?
That was a shit song, but Bean went too far
No? He's completely in the right to shit on him if his employee writes a song about how shit you are.
The cigarette flick was a bit much, that shit was mad disrespectful.
No, he was completely in his right to disrespect petey. It's Petey who should've took it down a notch.
Hell peteys animosity towards bean isn't even warranted, fox has been ruining his livelyhood and getting paid to dig up a tree and hunt down this animal would in his perspective not be a bad thing. Peteys a little b***h and it really goes to show bean isn't as bad as we're told considering he wasn't fired on the spot or actually reprimanded.
I liked Petey's song
Fox is a bastard
>Leads a decent life but wants to feel like a big man
>His ego destroys his community
>Despite this he uses his charm and cunning to not only apologize but put himself in charge
He has a whole bullshit talk about them all being animals. Notice that besides being animals everyone has a job and a life as well. Many are doing fine, even Mr Fox. But living as man didn't put him in the spotlight.
>Instead of focusing on them as people, Fox's plan focuses on them as animals. It just so happens that his animal nature is most important to the plan.
>Forces the whole town to live underground, relying on his skill as Fox/Thief to survive.
>Everyone loses except for Fox
>But they lose just enough to be able to live with it
We go from a community of many different animals doing thier things with fox on the outskirts to community reliant entirely on the foxes.
Mr. Fox got everything he wanted, a complete and total victory that his friends and family paid for.
The man was a criminal and a fricking con man to the very end. He probably didn't mean any of it, he's just walking poison.
Probably because wes has a pretty immature bohemian worldview.
so what was the point of this scene i don't get the meaning behind it if it has any
black lives matter. It was Mister Fox overcoming his racism against the original black english wolves.
Fox can't ever truly be a free and wild animal like the wolf, and he has to accept that.
Dumbass, did you forget the entire scene with Badger? He's robbing the 3 most vile farmers, everyone knows there'd be consequences if he stole from them, but he did anyway because he's a fox dealing with a mid-life crisis and wants to prove that he's still a "wild" animal (when he isn't, hence why he fears wolves, because they are truly wild, unlike him)
Who thought that mixing the two most horrible europeans would create the abomination known as Wes anderson(one s)
This movie is kinda like Breaking Bad if you think about it. Right down to people blaming the wife for being angry at her husband turning criminal and putting the lives of their children in danger.
What was up with this "hate frick my cousin" energy?
There is nothing gay about hate cussing your cousin if you are not gay.
bro? source?