No.
He’s a liberal so he cannot fathom the idea that the idiot behind the gun is in any way responsible for taking another life. Gotta keep blaming the big scary black gun and blame le white toxic penis envy gun culture.
>y-you just hate him and want him in jail because he made fun of drumpf
Correct. Guilty as charged.
Libs did the same shit with chauvin so I can do the same for Baldwin
Every night probably.
Alec is too low on the totem pole to be a true psychopath like the elite.
He's a New Yorker and a big fricking show business ruthless drama queen homosexual but he's got a conscience enough to be bothered about killing another person.
I honestly believe he's more concerned about what will happen to him. He doesn't want to spend the twilight years of his life in prison. This has effected his life in more ways than one. He's lost multiple roles and studios aren't looking to work with him.
Yeah for sure. First thought is that one day everything was fine and the next day you're a killer, then you think about all the things you could have done different to avoid all the problems that are now on your plate, then of course you think about mortality in general and that one day you'll be dead as well. Shit would keep anyone up at night, doesn't matter how egotistical or pompous he is.
he insists he never pulled the trigger despite every test showing the gun was in perfect working order thus could only be fired by him pulling the trigger. He's probably capable of lying to himself to make him believe whatever he wants
Except aim a real gun at someone and pull the trigger without personally checking to see if it was loaded. You know like what they teach cub scouts to do when given their first BB gun
That fact that other people may have acted irresponsibly doesn't remove his legal liability, moron. He knew it was a real gun. Under NM law a gun is an inherently dangerous object. Anyone using one is legally assumed to understand the inherent danger. He handled the gun recklessly by failing to insure it wasn't loaded. He aimed it a woman and pulled the trigger. He killed her. That meets the exact criteria for involuntary manslaughter under NM law.
>But the armorer was wrong
Then she should be hanged, her error leaded to a death
1 year ago
Anonymous
And so should Alec, because his error and tomfoolery on set caused the murder. Who knows if that gun was meant to be shot at a person for the movie anyway? Tom Savini used a real shotgun for special effects in Dawn of The Dead, shooting a prop head.
>but she said it was empty!!!
Not how gun safety protocol works, my ignorant urbanite friend.
If someone gave you a gun and told you it was empty and safe, would you immediately decide to stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger?
If I was an actor and was in a set? Sure, there has been hundred of takes like that in movies
You are confusing reality with movie protocols
1 year ago
Anonymous
Then you're a fricking moron that doesn't know anything about guns. It's morons like you who are the reason why we need so many ssfety checks, since you're apparently happy to pick up a gun you know nothing about and blow your brains out just because someone said it was safe.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>just because someone said it was safe.
Well, if I don't know shit about guns, and the guy that knows about gunts tell me it's safe to use, why would I act otherwise
1 year ago
Anonymous
But it wasn't the armourer that told him it was safe, it was the codirector, who doesn't know shit about guns.
If you actually give a shit about safety you might get the armourer to confirm it is safe before I start firing it people on set. Doesn't seem like a big ask, does it?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I know you're full of shit because if some person gave you a gun and told you it's safe and THEN told you to stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger for a sick joke, you wouldn't do it.
But then again, you might actually be that moronic and do it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
If it's someone I trust, sure.
If it's a moron that was just passing by, no
Coincidentally, an armorer on set should be someone you can trust your life with, and there aren't literal who's wandering on set clearing the guns.
It's funny the thing you omit is the most important one and the actual argument I'm using.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>an armorer on set should be someone you can trust your life with
So if an armorer told you to stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, you would do it?
Great. Glad we cleared that up.
Would you also do it if she told you to point it at your family and pull the trigger?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes
You are implying malice in a job that you trust during a potentially dangereous situation
If I'm driving and there's a storm and the road is partially fooded, and I come across some soldiers in a blockade that tells me the next portion of the next bridge is safe to cross, why would I distrust
1 year ago
Anonymous
>If it's someone I trust, sure.
Dumbest thing I have read on Cinemaphile.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I've read a lot of moronic shit on Cinemaphile, but this takes the cake
its really annoying how often i point out in this threads that i took a film gun safety course and they said over and over again that your literally not allowed to ever even point a gun at another person while on set let alone how regular gun safety courses also say to never point a gun at another person unless your a cop screaming "Freeze" at a suspect that you believe is threatening lives around him.
>your literally not allowed to ever even point a gun at another person while on set
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Director Florent-Emilio Siri talked about this scene in Hostage (2005)
Apparently, to conform to film "never ever ever" standards, they constructed an apparatus that shaped a bag of potatoes into a souless, living replica of Bruce Willis, so the actor wouldn't be in danger
Wow, he sure is acting pretty confidently in that scene, almost like it was demonstrated to both actors that the gun was safe before they started rolling.
That's another discussion and what you are doing is called a "pivot" I'm arguing againts one of the million moronic pseudo "laws" that morons keep parroting, the "never ever ever point a gun on set"
But I didn't expect you to understand the conversation
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's a very relevant discussion, the majority of movies do trickery with angkes or changing shots to ensure guns aren't being pointed directly at any actors or crew. If it does need to be done then they are still taking other steps to ensure everyone is safe. The most basic safety step you could do is CHECKING THE GUN ISN'T LOADED before pointing it at anyone.
This was after already having people walk off set because they weren't following safety procedures multiple times.
>this is likely not a real gun.
How would you know?
You don't know
How would an actor know?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because the armourer demonstrates that it isn't a real gun to the actors before filming starts. How fricking stupid are you?
1 year ago
Anonymous
because i took a gun safety course.
They have fake guns in movies but you can tell that they aren't real especailly if they are holding the gun and moving it around in a gun fight or they are "firing"
alot of gas powered bb guns look real which are sometimes used in film so that they slide moves back like a real gun during "firing"
And if it was a real gun which they would try every method to have it not be, it likely doesn't have any magazine in it or any bullet in the chamber, and then it would have to be checked by the person giving and then by the person recivieing the weapon every time its handed off.
in gun safety they literally say that when a gun is handed off, the person giving it first checks to maek sure its empty, then the person receiving it checks to make sure its empty.
So all the people who are like "the gun safety coordinater should have checked to make sure it was empty" actually everyone who ever handles it checks multiple times to see if its empty over and over again and the producer, director, gun safety coordinator, and actor are held responsible if something bad happens.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Spot on, i don't know why there's so many morons defending him when he is ultimately responsible for what has happened is multiple ways.
And then it's still you job to make sure the person that handed it to you did it right
and even then ideally you should be avoiding pointing guns at people at all loaded or not, and then he both did that and pulled the trigger on top of that
>without personally checking to see if it was loaded
Not his job.
There's a person that's paid to do JUST that. Only that. It's sole purpose.
Do you think he also, personally, has to check every wire, every building's exits, every smoke/firework machine..?
You are a moron
>b-but the lady who gave him the gun messed up!
Not how it works, moron.
When someone hands you a gun and you take it, everything is on YOU and no one else from the moment it’s in your hands.
Baldwin took a gun from another person.
Baldwin DID NOT check to see if it was empty
Baldwin aimed the gun at another person
Baldwin pulled the trigger
Baldwin killed another person BECAUSE he was such a negligent and lazy wienersucker that he couldnt do ONE SIMPLE thing: check to see if the gun is empty.
YOU are a moron and a turbohomosexual for simping this hard for a piece of shit like him.
>it’s not his job
It is his job, ever since Jackie Chan’s son got shot filming the Crow, you’re supposed to double check. He was too busy joking around with a weapon to follow procedure.
It's his responsibility as an actor and the producer of the film to make sure people are safe, not just start pulling triggers when he doesn't know the condition of the gun.
>It's his responsibility as an actor and the producer of the film to make sure people are safe
Yeah, he hired an armored for that, that checks the guns
1 year ago
Anonymous
And then he obviously fricked up his responsibilities by hiring someone incomptent, so it is still his fault.
Not to mention that he still didn't check the gun before they started filming, or shut down the set when people were already having complaints about safety issues. He's fricking guilty on multiple accounts.
So if a stunt car's brakes fail that's the actor's fault and not the stunt master who provided the cars? If an actor throws another past a window or hits them with a bottle and it's not sugar glass the actor is at fault and not props?
If the scene has an actor walking a dog and it mauls the shit out of a stunt person the actor is at fault, not the animal trainer? If props used real cyanide in a scene where an actor drops poison in another actor's drink, that's the actor's fault? Alex is a douche bag but the gun being loaded with live ammo on the set is 100% the fault of props and the gun armorer only
I thought the gun was supposed to be loaded, just with 'dummy' bullets that look real but don't have powder in them.
Like, people can tell in the shot if a fricking 6 shooter doesn't have bullets in the chamber.
But the stupid armorer, who had been letting her 'friends' (read: the security dudes running a train on her) shoot during lunch, and was too stupid to check the rounds.
Is Baldwin a guy who knows guns and ammo?
Was he suppose to literally break apart the bullet to check the round?
A good lawyer is going to get him off and he can afford a GOOD lawyer.
The armorer is 100% fricked. Even if she somehow beats the criminal charges she won't escape the civil case against her at which point she will immediately declare bankruptcy and the directors family won't get anything
I would like to see his lawyer answer and defend these questions
Wait a minute. How many shots did he fire? Did he shoot more than one bullet?
And doesn't that quote show negligence on his part? He never should have joked around with the gun. It's not a fake gun, it's obviously real. The fact that the script never called for him to point and pull the trigger at the crew should put some of the blame on Baldwin.
He was also a producer giving him more responsibility over the set.
So you think Arnold took out ever round in the mini gun before this Terminator 2 scene and checked it wasn't live military rounds? Then reloaded the belt himself and sprayed the stunt men? No he had a prop guy who made it safe and Arnold showed up and shot the scene. If he killed 12 stunt dudes due to live ammo that would of been Arnold's fault?
That's just an absolute bizarre leap in logic for me.
1 year ago
Anonymous
If he asked them to demonstrate they are blanks before firing them I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.
>open gun >don't know shit about guns >armorer said the gun is safe to use >round there must be a prop dummy
>opens gun >why is this gun loaded with rounds during a rehearsal? They told me it was a cold gun >calls armourer to check gun >doesn't shoot a woman in the face
1 year ago
Anonymous
>If he asked them to demonstrate they are blanks before firing them I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. >There's a funny blooper in the movie, when Arnold keep asking the prop team to discharge his weapon because he said "The next bullet could be a live one" and spend 6 thousand blanks
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Linda Hamilton had to actually dismantle the bomb to check if it's a real one >Just for fun, the prop guys put a timer in there so she had to check it fast fast fast >Before bringing each barrel, Joe Morton was required to check them >The safety department gave him a chemical kit, so he could test if the contained liquid was colored water or real gasoline >Edward Furlong didn't actually wanted to do the scene were he breaks the glass case containing the Terminator's arm >Not because he didn't believe the glass was made of standard sugar prop, but because he was 100% convinced the Terminator's arm was real after he examined it and didn't wanted to damage it
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Baldwincucks are so scared they have to come up with the most ridiculous scenarios to justify shooting a woman dead in cold blood
Woo lads
1 year ago
Anonymous
How is any of those scenarios any different
What if it was really a bomb
What if it was really gasoline
You don't know
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the bomb to check if it's a real one
Did you just accidentally admit that bombs are protected by the second amendment?
1 year ago
Anonymous
arnold never actually pointed the minigun at anyone during this scene, notice you never actually see him pointing the gun towards people, you see shots of him shooting the gun, then you see reaction shots of cops near the cars that are getting "shot up" by squibs.
1 year ago
Anonymous
if you watch movies closely you actually rarely see a shot where an actor points a gun and fires a blank directly at another actor. Usually its done like this clip from westworld where the actor shoots to the left or right of the camera and it cuts to the actor reacting while a squib with bloodpack simulates the gunshot. When the actor gets shot in this scene you see a puff of smoke from the left of the frame but you dont actually see the actor fire at him.
>Was he suppose to literally break apart the bullet to check the round?
Yes. Each round has a hole in them on the side. He could also have aimed the gun at the ground and fired every chamber. Some actors do a good job of this. Most don't. You should watch the police interview with Jensen Ackles. He talks about how he handles firearms. I don't have a timestamp and the interview is long. In summary, he aims the gun at the ground and fires every chamber to make sure there are not live rounds in the firearm.
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[...] >He didn't bothered to check!
He can't, and shouldn't.
morons like you makes it harder to find liability.
If its one person's responsability, don't puss out and let it be one person's responsability
It was his fault >n-no it wa-
Wrong. He will burn for this. He is guilty as charged. More like Alec Baldlose now.
>make sure it's not loaded >when it's literally someone's job to make sure it's not loaded and hand it to you
you guys sure are smart around here
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[...] >He didn't bothered to check!
He can't, and shouldn't.
morons like you makes it harder to find liability.
If its one person's responsability, don't puss out and let it be one person's responsability
Is this the hot new way to get easy (you)s? Why is this moron take suddenly blowing up? Wasn't like this when the new first broke, and now the last several threads I've seen about this have posters like this all over it. If it's just a (you) hustle I respect it, but please tell me you're not serious.
What if you are the owner of the driving school and are repsonsible for making sure the vehicles are being properly serviced? Baldwin is the PRODUCER, he is partially in charge of safety on the production.
Why would you, you literally don't know how to fricking drive and are trying to learn with someone that should bring you the safety requirements so you won't kill anyone
You guys are beyond moronic
Just because you have a driving instructor doesn't mean you get to ignore basic safety rules, like stopping at red lights.
Just because you have an armourer hired doesn't mean you get to fire guns at people without checking them first.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Baldwin is the PRODUCER, he is partially in charge of safety on the production.
He's not the owner of the contracting company, moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
What part of being a producer don't you understand, if he wasn't happy with the safety on set (after he had already had multiple complaints), he should have changed things.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Always fun when ignorant people with absolutely no idea what they're talking about call others morons
1 year ago
Anonymous
>person hires a contractor to do a job >contractor gets someone killed >somehow it's the hirer who is responsible
moron
b***h is required to have liability insurance for this reason
1 year ago
Anonymous
When there are enough complaints about safety that people walk off set, yes I do think the employer is to blame.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The producer hires an armourer to oversee weapons for a film >the producer receives multiple complaints about safety directly about the armourer; refuses to do anything about it >the armourer incorrectly loads a gun and hands it to an actor >the actor doesn't confirm the gun is safe, proceeds to aim and fire the gun at crew members
Alec Baldwin is both the actor and producer
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the producer receives multiple complaints about safety directly about the armourer; refuses to do anything about it
conjecture
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're right, I think evidence shows that this was a very safe and effective set.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The crew had a strike less than a month before this happened over safety concerns, including accidental discharges on set, what part of that is conjecture?
Why would you, you literally don't know how to fricking drive and are trying to learn with someone that should bring you the safety requirements so you won't kill anyone
You guys are beyond moronic
>There's a person that's paid to do JUST that.
Yeah, paid by the producer, which is BALDWIN. Who is already guilty of hiring unqualified people and being a cheap frick. So again, it comes back to him.
>Not his job.
Sir, this is the USA. We are taught in gun safety training at age 12yo that checking the gun is empty and safe is the first thing you do when someone hands you one.
this, kids are taught not to even point guns at people even if they are "sure" the gun isn't loaded. its just basic firearms safety. its to help cultivate a muscle memory and culture of safety. they didn't respect the gun and someone died. sad but avoidable.
>been actor for decades >done multiple movies working with guns >doesnt bother to check if a gun is loaded before pointing it at people and pulling the trigger.
That fact that other people may have acted irresponsibly doesn't remove his legal liability, moron. He knew it was a real gun. Under NM law a gun is an inherently dangerous object. Anyone using one is legally assumed to understand the inherent danger. He handled the gun recklessly by failing to insure it wasn't loaded. He aimed it a woman and pulled the trigger. He killed her. That meets the exact criteria for involuntary manslaughter under NM law.
>b-but the lady who gave him the gun messed up!
Not how it works, moron.
When someone hands you a gun and you take it, everything is on YOU and no one else from the moment it’s in your hands.
Baldwin took a gun from another person.
Baldwin DID NOT check to see if it was empty
Baldwin aimed the gun at another person
Baldwin pulled the trigger
Baldwin killed another person BECAUSE he was such a negligent and lazy wienersucker that he couldnt do ONE SIMPLE thing: check to see if the gun is empty.
YOU are a moron and a turbohomosexual for simping this hard for a piece of shit like him.
Society can only function on the basis that you assume other people have done their jobs properly. The precedent that would be set if individuals had to re-check other peoples work to not be liable is pretty moronic if you stop and think about it at all
>goes out in the desert to make a film >numerous safety concerns with including negligent discharges >crew bring this up with Alec >fricks them off and replaces them with yahoos >gets handed a loaded gun, doesn't follow procedure >shoots a woman dead >people think he shouldn't set foot in a court room because he made fun of orange man.
An armorer cleared a cold gun (Gun doesn't have bullets innit)
Gun was delivered to actor
Gun wasn't cold (Had a bullet innit)
Actor was playing with his gun pointing at the camera (Footage was released of this, it looks like shot rehearsal)
Probably pulled the trigger
Gun goes off, and kills the women behind the camera
>been actor for decades >done multiple movies working with guns >doesnt bother to check if a gun is loaded before pointing it at people and pulling the trigger.
I hate he just runs in circles for excuses rather than just saying, “I was involved in a terrible accident and if I could go back I’d change it”
But no he decides to go “oh well yeah bt uh this than that oh my gosh I heard them say yo shoot here and the bullet was fake wait no I heard it wasn’t even loaded blah blah”
Ken, if I had killed a little Ukrainian, accidentally or otherwise, I wouldn't have thought twice. I'd killed myself on the fricking spot. On the fricking spot. I would've stuck the gun in me mouth. On the fricking spot!
He's kinda based 2bh >beats the shit out of paparazzi scum >blows away fricking cinematographers
We all wish we had the balls to live our lives like that. The world would be a better place.
>some b***h you hired gives you a gun >”hey, it’s empty, okay?” >you dont spend 2 seconds to quickly check if it’s actually empty because in your mind, its an inconvenience and a hassle to do something that quick and easy > no, the very first thing you do is point ithe gun at another person and pull the trigger >cherry on top, the cameras aren’t even rolling
But hey, blame le evil toxic gun culture and le evil guns.
It's unironically the unions fault. Hollywood unions hate it when other people do their union workers job so nobody else was allowed to make sure the gun wasn't loaded with live rounds
>some b***h you hired gives you a gun >”hey, it’s empty, okay?” >you dont spend 2 seconds to quickly check if it’s actually empty because in your mind, its an inconvenience and a hassle to do something that quick and easy > no, the very first thing you do is point ithe gun at another person and pull the trigger >cherry on top, the cameras aren’t even rolling
But hey, blame le evil toxic gun culture and le evil guns.
>been actor for decades >done multiple movies working with guns >doesnt bother to check if a gun is loaded before pointing it at people and pulling the trigger.
Except aim a real gun at someone and pull the trigger without personally checking to see if it was loaded. You know like what they teach cub scouts to do when given their first BB gun
>He didn't bothered to check!
He can't, and shouldn't.
morons like you makes it harder to find liability.
If its one person's responsability, don't puss out and let it be one person's responsability
you know what else wasn't his job? Pointing the gun at a group of people and doing something that caused it to fire. This was not called for in the rehearsal. The shot was for him to draw the gun and point it to the right of the camera where nobody should have been standing then cut.
It is his job actually. We are all responsible for our own negligence. Any firearm you are handed must be inspected even if the previous person just did so in front of your eyes. You don't know this because you never bought a firearm.
These posts from all these Baldwincucks and urbanites are absolutely surreal.
These 'people' treat the act of checking a revolver cylinder like it's some lost chinese martial arts or lovecraftian school of magic that takes centuries to master. It's actually hilarious how delusional and coddled these morons are.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I bet they are also the same type of people that lose it when someone doesn't pump their gas for them. Sheltered gays that know nothing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Or, they're the type of people that survive purely on doordash/ubereats, and they lose their shit when you tell them that burger patties come from animals.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Exactly why firearms safety should be required teaching for everyone. I'm from California and the certification training even talks about how it's safer to teach kids firearm safety than to just hide them. Funny how all those anti-gun nuts suddenly don't think people should follow safety procedures as long as they are leftist celebrities. Meanwhile if a dumb kid breaks into my house and shoots himself with my guns, I'm responsible for not locking them up.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yep, it's a purely political game these scumfricks are playing here.
The only reason why you see people even defending baldwin on this board are because of redditor transplants and refugees.
1 year ago
Anonymous
if you're the director why are you taunting a man with a loaded gun? she was asking for it
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Meanwhile if a dumb kid breaks into my house and shoots himself with my guns, I'm responsible for not locking them up.
That's not true. CA's firearm storage law is aimed at people who have kids around firearms. A break in isn't a reasonable expectation. It more like you have two kids, they have friends over or you have a family dinner. Where as my home has not had a child in it for over a decade so it's 100% legal that I have a loaded Glock on my desk like an idiot. As it risks I come home interrupting a burglar and get shot by my own gun
https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-25100/ >The person knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian, or that a person prohibited from possessing a firearm or deadly weapon pursuant to state or federal law is likely to gain access to the firearm.
It is his job actually. We are all responsible for our own negligence. Any firearm you are handed must be inspected even if the previous person just did so in front of your eyes. You don't know this because you never bought a firearm.
Forgot to add, Tom Cruise on the set of The Last Samurai was gifted with handling glorious Nippon steel. He meticulously inspected each blade to see if it was sharp or not. Also, I'm trans if it matters.
Of course he can, it's standard procedure to check the gun before filming, especially if you're pointing it at another person.
If he didn't feel comfortable doing ot himself he should have asked the armourer to check it for him.
Once a gun has been cleared by the armorer no one else should be checking it. This is how it works on movie sets, if an actor starts checking the cylinder or maybe or whatever, it messes with liability and the armorer has to clear the gun again.
>The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors’ Equity Association’s guidelines state that, “Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside.” Further, “All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.”
If he didn't know the condition of the firearm he should have called the armourer to cofirm it was unloaded, not start pulling the trigger while it is pointed at people. That is literally murder.
>but she said it was empty!!!
Not how gun safety protocol works, my ignorant urbanite friend.
If someone gave you a gun and told you it was empty and safe, would you immediately decide to stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger?
It's standard prcedure for the actor to demonstrate that the gun isn't loaded before pointing it at anyone else.
Do you think he might have double checked the gun if he was required to hold it to his own head and pull the trigger for that scene?
I LOVE how morons talk about "protocol" when the film protocol hasn't even been disclosed.
We know what the SGA protocol is you homosexual, and it doesn't let you fire guns into your cast and crew just because you can't be bothered to check whether it was loaded.
No you dont get it maaaaaan
It takes way too long and years and years of training and discipline to figure out how to remove the magazine of a pistol maaaaan
It’s sooo difficult and too much of a hassle maaaaan
who knows ? I think its safe to say the courts are a joke at this point anything could happen. Maybe he'll have to take a plea rather than risk going to trial.
Wait a minute. How many shots did he fire? Did he shoot more than one bullet?
And doesn't that quote show negligence on his part? He never should have joked around with the gun. It's not a fake gun, it's obviously real. The fact that the script never called for him to point and pull the trigger at the crew should put some of the blame on Baldwin.
So he was fricking around on set with a firearm instead of following proper safety procedures. Weird that he would say all of those things about firearms being dangerous and then do this.
no but seriously, why the frick would you give someone a real gun which ontop of that is also loaded on a fricking movie set?
Im glad Alec is gonna get fricked in prison but this makes no sense
Because they fricked up multiple times by going against the established procedure of how you use prop firearms. There's no wider situation here, it's very simple and people are being bizarrely weird about not understanding if you break the rules designed to ensure safety, dangerous things can happen and people can actually die as a result.
I've posted in these threads several times and icbf greentexting it all again but I don't really need to because it's so simple. I've worked on productions that used firearms and from what has come out about this situation I can count five violations of standard practice and that's not including the frankly fricking insane inclusion of there being live ammo present on set.
>He literally, LITERALLY did nothing wrong.
He committed perjury when he told investigators that he didn't pull the trigger on the gun.
If he had just be honest and said that he pulled the trigger as a joke because he had been told that the gun was loaded with blanks, he probably would have been let go. But because he lied, it makes it look like he's covering up criminal intent.
Why is it not Alec’s job to check for himself?
Is there some kind of contract or clause that says that he will be sued to oblivion and fined millions if he opens up a gun by himself?
Does he have some kind of hand disability that physically prevents him from opening up a gun?
Is there some obscure law that says that no one is allowed to open up a gun on a movie set except for like one designated person?
I’m genuinely curious why “it’s not his job” according to the person here defending baldwin
Imagine if Tom Cruise had to check every wire, every clamp, every inch of the crane, the electrical wiring on the timers, and every fricking bit and piece of safety equipment he is going to use on set, but not that it's properly installed, that it's FUNCTIONING AS INTENDED
That's literally a full time job anon.
It extends to every risky take, imagine a barn that's going to be on fire, and the actor having to double check all the boards that are going to be on his head, and all the flame and explosive stuff
What if you don't know anything of that shit?
To this example, what if you don't know SHIT about guns? Are you saying that every actor should be required to know which one is a dummy round, which one is a live round, which one is just a casket for a closeup...
Coming back to the barn on fire, what about everyone else? What about the cable guys, the extras, and assistants that will walk under it.
Do they also have to do a first hand check on everything that could result in death?
And actor shouldn't do any of that shit, nor be required for him to know all that shit
That's why they hire people to do that shit
An actor puts his trust in them, that's unavoidable
When Tom cruise jumps of a building strapped to a wire, there's probably 5 people grinding their teeth untill the shot is over, but that's the job.
So if a stunt car's brakes fail that's the actor's fault and not the stunt master who provided the cars? If an actor throws another past a window or hits them with a bottle and it's not sugar glass the actor is at fault and not props?
If the scene has an actor walking a dog and it mauls the shit out of a stunt person the actor is at fault, not the animal trainer? If props used real cyanide in a scene where an actor drops poison in another actor's drink, that's the actor's fault? Alex is a douche bag but the gun being loaded with live ammo on the set is 100% the fault of props and the gun armorer only
Those aren't even close to the same thing, if the actir had reason to suspect that the brakes in a stunt car were faulty, but didn't ask for them to be checked or tested then they would be at fault if someone was injured. Why are you simping for this shithead celebrity? He was in charge of the production, did the wrong thing and someone was killed, he needs to accept the punishment.
>if the actir had reason to suspect...
He didn't, the armor said it was fine >but didn't ask for them to be checked or tested then they would be at fault if someone was injured
You don't have to ASK for them to do it, that's their fricking job
Prep work is done long before the actor is on set.
It's also unrealistic for the actor, once it's on set ready to shoot, to dismantle every car he's going to use to double check personally that it's running as intended
The armourer wasn't present, he wasn't handed the weapon by the armourer, why would he assume that it's safe? Sounds like they weren't following procedure, which makes it his frick up since he's meant to be the producer.
Nobody is asking the actor to moonlight as a mechanic, but if the procedure for filming requires a mechanic to look over the car to make sure it is safe, but they don't follow it and someone is killed then the producer and possibly the actor would be liable.
But it wasn't the armourer that told him it was safe, it was the codirector, who doesn't know shit about guns.
If you actually give a shit about safety you might get the armourer to confirm it is safe before I start firing it people on set. Doesn't seem like a big ask, does it?
>Sounds like they weren't following procedure
Again with that little word
No one knows the actual procedure of the set because it wasn't disclosed
If the procedure and the thing that everyone agrees, is that the armorer clears the gun, and then anyone can use it, why would your posts matter at all?
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not the procedure of the set, it's the procedure of firearms safety. I don't get to say we don't have to lock our guns in my house because it's not our procedure when the neighbor kid breaks in and shoots himself.
1 year ago
Anonymous
How many times do we have to go over this, moron. Alec is the producer for the film, he helps decide who gets hired and what the procedure actually is. If he hired someone who's incomptent or doesn't follow the procedure, then he's still the one responsible.
>The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors’ Equity Association’s guidelines state that, “Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside.” Further, “All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.”
If he didn't know the condition of the firearm he should have called the armourer to cofirm it was unloaded, not start pulling the trigger while it is pointed at people. That is literally murder.
Covers a standard procedure, surpisingly it doesn't just let you fire guns at people without the armourer present to check the guns, meaning that they weren't following procedure.
No matter which way you cut it Baldwin fricked up in multiple ways.
I can't imagine tom cruise would ever point a gun at someone and pull the trigger without personally making sure it was 100% safe, like dry firing it at the ground or something. Even if the gun only has blanks in it you are not supposed to point them at people because blanks can still kill or injure.
So if a stunt car's brakes fail that's the actor's fault and not the stunt master who provided the cars? If an actor throws another past a window or hits them with a bottle and it's not sugar glass the actor is at fault and not props?
If the scene has an actor walking a dog and it mauls the shit out of a stunt person the actor is at fault, not the animal trainer? If props used real cyanide in a scene where an actor drops poison in another actor's drink, that's the actor's fault? Alex is a douche bag but the gun being loaded with live ammo on the set is 100% the fault of props and the gun armorer only
If you went on a theme park ride and the ride attendant didn't check you were locked in properly and you fell off the ride and died, who's fault is that? Yours, or the ride attendant? Exactly
The sad thing is that you wasted your time typing out such a stupid wall of text and you probably thought you were so smart and proud of yourself when you hit 'post'.
>probably 5 people grinding their teeth untill the shot is over
I saw a canopy. I saw a canopy...... As you can tell everyone is oh thank god we didn't just film Tom killing himself. Hell even the wire work they did to train the stunt could have killed him if anything went wrong, never mind the real dirt bike off a cliff into a base jump.
>said it was cold >if Alec inspected it he would have seen the bullet in the gun >if he didn't know what 'cold gun' meant he would have asked. Hell he should have asked if it was safe to shoot with the bullet inside it. That's assuming he followed procedure.
He was handed a dangerous assault revolver, which he had no clue how to operate and was told that it was cold. There was no reason at all for him to remove the clip and make sure it wasn't loaded, they literally pay people to do that for him.
All true, but in Baldwin's defense, why the frick were there bullets in a prop gun for a movie? Why is there even a clip for him to remove? Why the frick aren't movie guns just solid, gun-shaped hunks of plastic?
>There was no reason at all for him to remove the clip and make sure it wasn't loaded
Are you a sociopath or just incredibly incredibly stupid?
Either way, I hope someone gives you a gun one day, tells you it's empty, and then tells you to stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger.
Gun armorers don't want the actor to do a damn thing with the gun. You can ask to watch it being loaded or prepped by the expert but actors don't fiddle with a hot gun on set. Being it risks them doing something wrong or introducing a foreign object into the barrel. They get handed a gun seconds before a scene, then give it back.
This isn't uncle Billy Bob and you plinking in the back yard and being told the gun is empty by someone. A person is being paid serious money to insure gun safety and at the very least not load it with live ammo.
>Gun armorers don't want the actor to do a damn thing with the gun.
Well, the armorer can go stuff himself then.
I'm gonna check the gun myself and see if it's empty and if he doesn't like it, he's fired.
What do you have to say about that, you witless NPC?
> You can ask to watch it being loaded or prepped by the expert but actors don't fiddle with a hot gun on set.
Really?
Watch me take out the cylinder on set and check if it's empty.
What now?
>This isn't uncle Billy Bob and you plinking in the back yard and being told the gun is empty by someone.
But uncle billy bob and I shoot shit all the time, and we never run into problems.
So what's the excuse of a major Hollywood production backed by millions of dollars to make such a basic error in gun safety?
>A person is being paid serious money to insure gun safety and at the very least not load it with live ammo.
Sounds like a moronic scam.
Imagine paying someone to do something that ridiculous when I can just ask the local rednecks on gun safety and get way more value out of it.
It's almost as if the system you're defending is moronic and creates more problems than it solves?
>and if he doesn't like it, he's fired.
Actors work for the production house and studio. Your not going to fire anyone. You would just put in your contract or tell the director you must see all guns first hand being loaded or unloaded or you can't shoot the scene.
The ruled around actors fiddling with the guns changed a lot after Jon-Erik Hexum capped himself in the head with blank from a gun he held to his temple.
But Baldwin was also the producer for the film, gives him a lot more power than any regular actor. If he wanted to get rid of someone, especially if they're showing they're incompetent, it would happen.
If you went on a theme park ride and the ride attendant didn't check you were locked in properly and you fell off the ride and died, who's fault is that? Yours, or the ride attendant? Exactly
Depends on the movie, depends on the shot and depends what they're doing in the scene.
A prop gun could range from a fully functioning gun to a plastic piece of crap that you could tell is fake in the right light, plus anything in between.
He probably had a moment where he felt invincible and was like "LoL look at me I'm a fricking cowboy gunslinger kekeke watch my shooting skills... BANG BANG BANG, uh, whoops" and pointed the gun all over the place and literally, in his brain, made the fully conscious to pull the trigger because of his fundamental showboat-y, jackass-y self and it ended up costing another person's life, next thing we know he'll be joyriding in his Lamborghini and end up killing someone, the dude is too famous and spoiled to be living in reality, he can be famous in jail now.
he was the producer on set, he aimed and fired the gun. if he gets away with this then the new mexico law enforcement are disclosing that famous rich people are above the law in their state.
>He literally, LITERALLY did nothing wrong.
He played with a gun. He pointed a gun at a person. Guns are not toys. Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
I believe that this was a tragic accident. But I also believe this accident has triggered something inside him...he now has developed a "taste for blood." Unless he's locked up he will kill again
All discussions about gun safety are Moot because Alec Baldwin purposely murdered that woman
He had his friend give him the gun, against procedure, because they wanted to commit murder for fun
None of this was an unexpected accident
with how much it is hammered in gun safety that so many people on the set are responsible for checking the gun multiple times, and with how much it is said over and over again, and how much it is known, that you aren't even supposed to point a gun at a person on the set, alec baldwin intentionally murdering the woman wouldn't suprise me.
gun safety is taken so seriously that an armorer or gun safety cordinator is literally allowed to call "cut!" and permanately revoke someones right to hold a real gun and make it so that they can only hold fake guns if they are deemed irresponsible.
gun safety is taken so seriously that literally the moment a gun ever goes missing, the police is immediately called to inturrupt filming and begin a police investigation as to where the gun went.
i'm saying that i'm telling this story that i'm about to tell to further verify that i took a gun safety course for film, but actually its just becuase its a fricking brutal story.
apparently one of the well known armorers was dismantling a 50. cal sniper rifle to put it away, and he didn't dismantle it in the proper order, and there is a giant spring inside the 50 caliber rifle, and because he didn't dismantle it in the proper order, the spring shot out of the rifle and into his eye and he lost his fricking eye. fricking brutal.
>be husband >man who murdered your wife in cold blood (accidentally) confronts you >invites you to breakfast, his treat >while at Denny’s, Alec signs an autograph for the sous chef, who agrees to bring you out a lunch item despite it not being 10:30 yet >and so, you are treated to a Bourbon Bacon Burger, made with aged white cheddar cheese, bacon, sautéed mushrooms, fire-roasted bell peppers & onions, bourbon sauce, lettuce, tomato, red onions and pickles on a brioche bun. Served with wavy-cut fries. A hefty $13.69, but Alec waves his hand and laughs it off. “Tu casa es mi casa!” He says, with a good natured smile on his face. >you don’t know what that means but whatever >tears of joy run down your son’s face as Alec lets him order the Choconana Pancake Breakfast. Ghirardelli® chocolate chips cooked inside buttermilk pancakes and topped with more Ghirardelli® chocolate chips with fresh bananas on the side to keep the fruit fresh until you're ready to eat. Served with eggs,* hash browns, plus bacon strips or sausage links. Naturally your son picks the sausage links >Alec orders himself a humble Moons Over My Hammy®, a ham and scrambled egg sandwich with Swiss & American cheeses on grilled artisan bread. Served with hash browns. >You all dig in as Alec explains why it’s not his fault that he pointed a gun at your wife and shot her with it >you and your son nod in agreement. >You want to point out that this man shot and killed your wife, but Denny’s breakfast specials are just too spectacular to argue with >tears well in your eyes as it hits you that your son will never see his mother again, but Alec quickly notices and cheers you up with a Donald Trump impersonation explaining why guns are bad for you >as Alec goes to pay, his backup gun falls out of his wallet and shoots the waiter in the foot >Alec apologizes and promises to treat him to breakfast, everyone laughs
He just wanted to kill a poor. It's fine. He will do time in rich people jail and be put on house arrest bound to his 6 global estates. Later he will sign a book deal for a book he didn't write and make money from murdering someone. It's fine though because he is rich.
I think the worst part is the hypocrisy
Do you think he loses any sleep because of this shit? Like does he ever stop and think "I literally killed another person. I killed someone's mother"
He's their mommy now.
>you suck on my breasts now
actors are all narcissistic psychos so probably not
No.
He’s a liberal so he cannot fathom the idea that the idiot behind the gun is in any way responsible for taking another life. Gotta keep blaming the big scary black gun and blame le white toxic penis envy gun culture.
>y-you just hate him and want him in jail because he made fun of drumpf
Correct. Guilty as charged.
Libs did the same shit with chauvin so I can do the same for Baldwin
0 chance. He’s a liberal c**t who’s been up his own ass since he was born.
i saw him as his normal self in NYC and he seemed like he hates everything, so no.
he paid for her family's breakfast
he's morally in the clear
Every night probably.
Alec is too low on the totem pole to be a true psychopath like the elite.
He's a New Yorker and a big fricking show business ruthless drama queen homosexual but he's got a conscience enough to be bothered about killing another person.
'sup, Alec.
I honestly believe he's more concerned about what will happen to him. He doesn't want to spend the twilight years of his life in prison. This has effected his life in more ways than one. He's lost multiple roles and studios aren't looking to work with him.
I’m coming to find you, anon. AB.
He only cares about himself.
Yeah for sure. First thought is that one day everything was fine and the next day you're a killer, then you think about all the things you could have done different to avoid all the problems that are now on your plate, then of course you think about mortality in general and that one day you'll be dead as well. Shit would keep anyone up at night, doesn't matter how egotistical or pompous he is.
he insists he never pulled the trigger despite every test showing the gun was in perfect working order thus could only be fired by him pulling the trigger. He's probably capable of lying to himself to make him believe whatever he wants
He killed a woman
>b-but it wasn’t his fault!
He shot a woman to death with a gun. Case closed.
Ladies and gentlemen we got him
The question is, would he ever do it again?
Except aim a real gun at someone and pull the trigger without personally checking to see if it was loaded. You know like what they teach cub scouts to do when given their first BB gun
>make sure it's not loaded
>when it's literally someone's job to make sure it's not loaded and hand it to you
you guys sure are smart around here
That fact that other people may have acted irresponsibly doesn't remove his legal liability, moron. He knew it was a real gun. Under NM law a gun is an inherently dangerous object. Anyone using one is legally assumed to understand the inherent danger. He handled the gun recklessly by failing to insure it wasn't loaded. He aimed it a woman and pulled the trigger. He killed her. That meets the exact criteria for involuntary manslaughter under NM law.
>failing to insure it wasn't loaded.
He didn't failed, the armorer assured everyone on set that it wasn't loaded.
But the armorer was wrong, he never checked for sure, and then pointed and shot at someone of his own accord. And killed her. His fault. Don’t @ me.
>But the armorer was wrong
Then she should be hanged, her error leaded to a death
And so should Alec, because his error and tomfoolery on set caused the murder. Who knows if that gun was meant to be shot at a person for the movie anyway? Tom Savini used a real shotgun for special effects in Dawn of The Dead, shooting a prop head.
>but she said it was empty!!!
Not how gun safety protocol works, my ignorant urbanite friend.
If someone gave you a gun and told you it was empty and safe, would you immediately decide to stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger?
If I was an actor and was in a set? Sure, there has been hundred of takes like that in movies
You are confusing reality with movie protocols
Then you're a fricking moron that doesn't know anything about guns. It's morons like you who are the reason why we need so many ssfety checks, since you're apparently happy to pick up a gun you know nothing about and blow your brains out just because someone said it was safe.
>just because someone said it was safe.
Well, if I don't know shit about guns, and the guy that knows about gunts tell me it's safe to use, why would I act otherwise
But it wasn't the armourer that told him it was safe, it was the codirector, who doesn't know shit about guns.
If you actually give a shit about safety you might get the armourer to confirm it is safe before I start firing it people on set. Doesn't seem like a big ask, does it?
I know you're full of shit because if some person gave you a gun and told you it's safe and THEN told you to stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger for a sick joke, you wouldn't do it.
But then again, you might actually be that moronic and do it.
If it's someone I trust, sure.
If it's a moron that was just passing by, no
Coincidentally, an armorer on set should be someone you can trust your life with, and there aren't literal who's wandering on set clearing the guns.
It's funny the thing you omit is the most important one and the actual argument I'm using.
>an armorer on set should be someone you can trust your life with
So if an armorer told you to stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, you would do it?
Great. Glad we cleared that up.
Would you also do it if she told you to point it at your family and pull the trigger?
Yes
You are implying malice in a job that you trust during a potentially dangereous situation
If I'm driving and there's a storm and the road is partially fooded, and I come across some soldiers in a blockade that tells me the next portion of the next bridge is safe to cross, why would I distrust
>If it's someone I trust, sure.
Dumbest thing I have read on Cinemaphile.
I've read a lot of moronic shit on Cinemaphile, but this takes the cake
It's standard prcedure for the actor to demonstrate that the gun isn't loaded before pointing it at anyone else.
Do you think he might have double checked the gun if he was required to hold it to his own head and pull the trigger for that scene?
its really annoying how often i point out in this threads that i took a film gun safety course and they said over and over again that your literally not allowed to ever even point a gun at another person while on set let alone how regular gun safety courses also say to never point a gun at another person unless your a cop screaming "Freeze" at a suspect that you believe is threatening lives around him.
>your literally not allowed to ever even point a gun at another person while on set
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Director Florent-Emilio Siri talked about this scene in Hostage (2005)
Apparently, to conform to film "never ever ever" standards, they constructed an apparatus that shaped a bag of potatoes into a souless, living replica of Bruce Willis, so the actor wouldn't be in danger
Wow, he sure is acting pretty confidently in that scene, almost like it was demonstrated to both actors that the gun was safe before they started rolling.
That's another discussion and what you are doing is called a "pivot" I'm arguing againts one of the million moronic pseudo "laws" that morons keep parroting, the "never ever ever point a gun on set"
But I didn't expect you to understand the conversation
It's a very relevant discussion, the majority of movies do trickery with angkes or changing shots to ensure guns aren't being pointed directly at any actors or crew. If it does need to be done then they are still taking other steps to ensure everyone is safe. The most basic safety step you could do is CHECKING THE GUN ISN'T LOADED before pointing it at anyone.
This was after already having people walk off set because they weren't following safety procedures multiple times.
this is likely not a real gun.
they use real guns when they need muzzle flash and weight during gun fights.
Something like this they would likely just use a fake gun.
>this is likely not a real gun.
How would you know?
You don't know
How would an actor know?
Because the armourer demonstrates that it isn't a real gun to the actors before filming starts. How fricking stupid are you?
because i took a gun safety course.
They have fake guns in movies but you can tell that they aren't real especailly if they are holding the gun and moving it around in a gun fight or they are "firing"
alot of gas powered bb guns look real which are sometimes used in film so that they slide moves back like a real gun during "firing"
And if it was a real gun which they would try every method to have it not be, it likely doesn't have any magazine in it or any bullet in the chamber, and then it would have to be checked by the person giving and then by the person recivieing the weapon every time its handed off.
in gun safety they literally say that when a gun is handed off, the person giving it first checks to maek sure its empty, then the person receiving it checks to make sure its empty.
So all the people who are like "the gun safety coordinater should have checked to make sure it was empty" actually everyone who ever handles it checks multiple times to see if its empty over and over again and the producer, director, gun safety coordinator, and actor are held responsible if something bad happens.
Spot on, i don't know why there's so many morons defending him when he is ultimately responsible for what has happened is multiple ways.
rule one of gun safety is never to point it at anything you're not willing to kill. loaded or unloaded.
And then it's still you job to make sure the person that handed it to you did it right
and even then ideally you should be avoiding pointing guns at people at all loaded or not, and then he both did that and pulled the trigger on top of that
>without personally checking to see if it was loaded
Not his job.
There's a person that's paid to do JUST that. Only that. It's sole purpose.
Do you think he also, personally, has to check every wire, every building's exits, every smoke/firework machine..?
You are a moron
>b-but the lady who gave him the gun messed up!
Not how it works, moron.
When someone hands you a gun and you take it, everything is on YOU and no one else from the moment it’s in your hands.
Baldwin took a gun from another person.
Baldwin DID NOT check to see if it was empty
Baldwin aimed the gun at another person
Baldwin pulled the trigger
Baldwin killed another person BECAUSE he was such a negligent and lazy wienersucker that he couldnt do ONE SIMPLE thing: check to see if the gun is empty.
YOU are a moron and a turbohomosexual for simping this hard for a piece of shit like him.
>Baldwin DID NOT check to see if it was empty
Why would he? It's not his job to check, and the person whos job is to check, said it was ok to use
>it’s not his job
It is his job, ever since Jackie Chan’s son got shot filming the Crow, you’re supposed to double check. He was too busy joking around with a weapon to follow procedure.
It's his responsibility as an actor and the producer of the film to make sure people are safe, not just start pulling triggers when he doesn't know the condition of the gun.
>It's his responsibility as an actor and the producer of the film to make sure people are safe
Yeah, he hired an armored for that, that checks the guns
And then he obviously fricked up his responsibilities by hiring someone incomptent, so it is still his fault.
Not to mention that he still didn't check the gun before they started filming, or shut down the set when people were already having complaints about safety issues. He's fricking guilty on multiple accounts.
So if a stunt car's brakes fail that's the actor's fault and not the stunt master who provided the cars? If an actor throws another past a window or hits them with a bottle and it's not sugar glass the actor is at fault and not props?
If the scene has an actor walking a dog and it mauls the shit out of a stunt person the actor is at fault, not the animal trainer? If props used real cyanide in a scene where an actor drops poison in another actor's drink, that's the actor's fault? Alex is a douche bag but the gun being loaded with live ammo on the set is 100% the fault of props and the gun armorer only
Yes
I thought the gun was supposed to be loaded, just with 'dummy' bullets that look real but don't have powder in them.
Like, people can tell in the shot if a fricking 6 shooter doesn't have bullets in the chamber.
But the stupid armorer, who had been letting her 'friends' (read: the security dudes running a train on her) shoot during lunch, and was too stupid to check the rounds.
Is Baldwin a guy who knows guns and ammo?
Was he suppose to literally break apart the bullet to check the round?
A good lawyer is going to get him off and he can afford a GOOD lawyer.
The armorer is 100% fricked. Even if she somehow beats the criminal charges she won't escape the civil case against her at which point she will immediately declare bankruptcy and the directors family won't get anything
I would like to see his lawyer answer and defend these questions
He was also a producer giving him more responsibility over the set.
>he
>pointed
>the
>gun
>and
>pulled
>the
>trigger
>and
>killed
>a
>person
How fricking hard is this to comprehend?
So you think Arnold took out ever round in the mini gun before this Terminator 2 scene and checked it wasn't live military rounds? Then reloaded the belt himself and sprayed the stunt men? No he had a prop guy who made it safe and Arnold showed up and shot the scene. If he killed 12 stunt dudes due to live ammo that would of been Arnold's fault?
That's just an absolute bizarre leap in logic for me.
If he asked them to demonstrate they are blanks before firing them I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.
>opens gun
>why is this gun loaded with rounds during a rehearsal? They told me it was a cold gun
>calls armourer to check gun
>doesn't shoot a woman in the face
>If he asked them to demonstrate they are blanks before firing them I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.
>There's a funny blooper in the movie, when Arnold keep asking the prop team to discharge his weapon because he said "The next bullet could be a live one" and spend 6 thousand blanks
>Linda Hamilton had to actually dismantle the bomb to check if it's a real one
>Just for fun, the prop guys put a timer in there so she had to check it fast fast fast
>Before bringing each barrel, Joe Morton was required to check them
>The safety department gave him a chemical kit, so he could test if the contained liquid was colored water or real gasoline
>Edward Furlong didn't actually wanted to do the scene were he breaks the glass case containing the Terminator's arm
>Not because he didn't believe the glass was made of standard sugar prop, but because he was 100% convinced the Terminator's arm was real after he examined it and didn't wanted to damage it
>Baldwincucks are so scared they have to come up with the most ridiculous scenarios to justify shooting a woman dead in cold blood
Woo lads
How is any of those scenarios any different
What if it was really a bomb
What if it was really gasoline
You don't know
>the bomb to check if it's a real one
Did you just accidentally admit that bombs are protected by the second amendment?
arnold never actually pointed the minigun at anyone during this scene, notice you never actually see him pointing the gun towards people, you see shots of him shooting the gun, then you see reaction shots of cops near the cars that are getting "shot up" by squibs.
if you watch movies closely you actually rarely see a shot where an actor points a gun and fires a blank directly at another actor. Usually its done like this clip from westworld where the actor shoots to the left or right of the camera and it cuts to the actor reacting while a squib with bloodpack simulates the gunshot. When the actor gets shot in this scene you see a puff of smoke from the left of the frame but you dont actually see the actor fire at him.
>military rounds
>Was he suppose to literally break apart the bullet to check the round?
Yes. Each round has a hole in them on the side. He could also have aimed the gun at the ground and fired every chamber. Some actors do a good job of this. Most don't. You should watch the police interview with Jensen Ackles. He talks about how he handles firearms. I don't have a timestamp and the interview is long. In summary, he aims the gun at the ground and fires every chamber to make sure there are not live rounds in the firearm.
It was his fault
>n-no it wa-
Wrong. He will burn for this. He is guilty as charged. More like Alec Baldlose now.
Is this the hot new way to get easy (you)s? Why is this moron take suddenly blowing up? Wasn't like this when the new first broke, and now the last several threads I've seen about this have posters like this all over it. If it's just a (you) hustle I respect it, but please tell me you're not serious.
It’s probably one of baldwin’a agents.
you can´t outsource responsibility with a deadly weapon like that otherwise he could just pay her to load the gun and legally kill someone
>you can´t outsource responsibility with a deadly weapon
You mean like, a driving instructor?
If the diving instructor hands you a harpoon gun for fishing and you shoot the cameraman it's your fault.
What if he hands you a faulty vehicle?
What if you are the owner of the driving school and are repsonsible for making sure the vehicles are being properly serviced? Baldwin is the PRODUCER, he is partially in charge of safety on the production.
Just because you have a driving instructor doesn't mean you get to ignore basic safety rules, like stopping at red lights.
Just because you have an armourer hired doesn't mean you get to fire guns at people without checking them first.
>Baldwin is the PRODUCER, he is partially in charge of safety on the production.
He's not the owner of the contracting company, moron
What part of being a producer don't you understand, if he wasn't happy with the safety on set (after he had already had multiple complaints), he should have changed things.
Always fun when ignorant people with absolutely no idea what they're talking about call others morons
>person hires a contractor to do a job
>contractor gets someone killed
>somehow it's the hirer who is responsible
moron
b***h is required to have liability insurance for this reason
When there are enough complaints about safety that people walk off set, yes I do think the employer is to blame.
>The producer hires an armourer to oversee weapons for a film
>the producer receives multiple complaints about safety directly about the armourer; refuses to do anything about it
>the armourer incorrectly loads a gun and hands it to an actor
>the actor doesn't confirm the gun is safe, proceeds to aim and fire the gun at crew members
Alec Baldwin is both the actor and producer
>the producer receives multiple complaints about safety directly about the armourer; refuses to do anything about it
conjecture
You're right, I think evidence shows that this was a very safe and effective set.
The crew had a strike less than a month before this happened over safety concerns, including accidental discharges on set, what part of that is conjecture?
you think if you hit somebody while driving with an instructor you wont get any of the blame ?
Why would you, you literally don't know how to fricking drive and are trying to learn with someone that should bring you the safety requirements so you won't kill anyone
You guys are beyond moronic
>There's a person that's paid to do JUST that.
Yeah, paid by the producer, which is BALDWIN. Who is already guilty of hiring unqualified people and being a cheap frick. So again, it comes back to him.
>Not his job.
Sir, this is the USA. We are taught in gun safety training at age 12yo that checking the gun is empty and safe is the first thing you do when someone hands you one.
It's not a fricking job. It's a responsibility.
this, kids are taught not to even point guns at people even if they are "sure" the gun isn't loaded. its just basic firearms safety. its to help cultivate a muscle memory and culture of safety. they didn't respect the gun and someone died. sad but avoidable.
Society can only function on the basis that you assume other people have done their jobs properly. The precedent that would be set if individuals had to re-check other peoples work to not be liable is pretty moronic if you stop and think about it at all
>Society can only function on the basis that you assume other people have done their jobs properly.
Take your own advice then, Alec.
qrd?
>goes out in the desert to make a film
>numerous safety concerns with including negligent discharges
>crew bring this up with Alec
>fricks them off and replaces them with yahoos
>gets handed a loaded gun, doesn't follow procedure
>shoots a woman dead
>people think he shouldn't set foot in a court room because he made fun of orange man.
An armorer cleared a cold gun (Gun doesn't have bullets innit)
Gun was delivered to actor
Gun wasn't cold (Had a bullet innit)
Actor was playing with his gun pointing at the camera (Footage was released of this, it looks like shot rehearsal)
Probably pulled the trigger
Gun goes off, and kills the women behind the camera
>been actor for decades
>done multiple movies working with guns
>doesnt bother to check if a gun is loaded before pointing it at people and pulling the trigger.
>doesnt bother to check if a gun is loaded
wasn't it supposed to be loaded tho?
I hate he just runs in circles for excuses rather than just saying, “I was involved in a terrible accident and if I could go back I’d change it”
But no he decides to go “oh well yeah bt uh this than that oh my gosh I heard them say yo shoot here and the bullet was fake wait no I heard it wasn’t even loaded blah blah”
Ken, if I had killed a little Ukrainian, accidentally or otherwise, I wouldn't have thought twice. I'd killed myself on the fricking spot. On the fricking spot. I would've stuck the gun in me mouth. On the fricking spot!
It's like a fricking fairytale
He's kinda based 2bh
>beats the shit out of paparazzi scum
>blows away fricking cinematographers
We all wish we had the balls to live our lives like that. The world would be a better place.
>be producer of the film
>his job to make sure the production is safe
>someone died
>some b***h you hired gives you a gun
>”hey, it’s empty, okay?”
>you dont spend 2 seconds to quickly check if it’s actually empty because in your mind, its an inconvenience and a hassle to do something that quick and easy
> no, the very first thing you do is point ithe gun at another person and pull the trigger
>cherry on top, the cameras aren’t even rolling
But hey, blame le evil toxic gun culture and le evil guns.
I don't get it either. I mean sure he shot someone in cold blood, but he bought the family a Denny's Grand Slam. Let bygones be bygones
>He literally, LITERALLY did nothing wrong.
You're wrong.
>knew it was a real gun
>didn't clear the gun
>aimed it a person
>pulled trigger
>killed a woman and injured a second person
He didn't mean to kill her so it's involuntary manslaughter as opposed to voluntary manslaughter.
AND he was a producer who responsible to see this kind of shit can't happen on a production.
Why would there ever been a real gun or real ammo on a movie set?
armorer fricked up
good question
Let’s ask the person in charge of the production.
Or you could ask the person who did it
It's unironically the unions fault. Hollywood unions hate it when other people do their union workers job so nobody else was allowed to make sure the gun wasn't loaded with live rounds
>He didn't bothered to check!
He can't, and shouldn't.
morons like you makes it harder to find liability.
If its one person's responsability, don't puss out and let it be one person's responsability
>he can’t check the gun because-because he just cant, okay!!!
It's not his job
And he shouldn't check either
you know what else wasn't his job? Pointing the gun at a group of people and doing something that caused it to fire. This was not called for in the rehearsal. The shot was for him to draw the gun and point it to the right of the camera where nobody should have been standing then cut.
It is his job actually. We are all responsible for our own negligence. Any firearm you are handed must be inspected even if the previous person just did so in front of your eyes. You don't know this because you never bought a firearm.
These posts from all these Baldwincucks and urbanites are absolutely surreal.
These 'people' treat the act of checking a revolver cylinder like it's some lost chinese martial arts or lovecraftian school of magic that takes centuries to master. It's actually hilarious how delusional and coddled these morons are.
I bet they are also the same type of people that lose it when someone doesn't pump their gas for them. Sheltered gays that know nothing.
Or, they're the type of people that survive purely on doordash/ubereats, and they lose their shit when you tell them that burger patties come from animals.
Exactly why firearms safety should be required teaching for everyone. I'm from California and the certification training even talks about how it's safer to teach kids firearm safety than to just hide them. Funny how all those anti-gun nuts suddenly don't think people should follow safety procedures as long as they are leftist celebrities. Meanwhile if a dumb kid breaks into my house and shoots himself with my guns, I'm responsible for not locking them up.
Yep, it's a purely political game these scumfricks are playing here.
The only reason why you see people even defending baldwin on this board are because of redditor transplants and refugees.
if you're the director why are you taunting a man with a loaded gun? she was asking for it
>Meanwhile if a dumb kid breaks into my house and shoots himself with my guns, I'm responsible for not locking them up.
That's not true. CA's firearm storage law is aimed at people who have kids around firearms. A break in isn't a reasonable expectation. It more like you have two kids, they have friends over or you have a family dinner. Where as my home has not had a child in it for over a decade so it's 100% legal that I have a loaded Glock on my desk like an idiot. As it risks I come home interrupting a burglar and get shot by my own gun
https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-25100/
>The person knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian, or that a person prohibited from possessing a firearm or deadly weapon pursuant to state or federal law is likely to gain access to the firearm.
Forgot to add, Tom Cruise on the set of The Last Samurai was gifted with handling glorious Nippon steel. He meticulously inspected each blade to see if it was sharp or not. Also, I'm trans if it matters.
>Also, I'm trans if it matters
It doesn't, but I appreciate your posts.
Once a gun has been cleared by the armorer no one else should be checking it. This is how it works on movie sets, if an actor starts checking the cylinder or maybe or whatever, it messes with liability and the armorer has to clear the gun again.
>The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors’ Equity Association’s guidelines state that, “Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside.” Further, “All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.”
If he didn't know the condition of the firearm he should have called the armourer to cofirm it was unloaded, not start pulling the trigger while it is pointed at people. That is literally murder.
Doesn't have the mens rea for murder that's why the DA is going involuntary
Of course he can, it's standard procedure to check the gun before filming, especially if you're pointing it at another person.
If he didn't feel comfortable doing ot himself he should have asked the armourer to check it for him.
I LOVE how morons talk about "protocol" when the film protocol hasn't even been disclosed.
We know what the SGA protocol is you homosexual, and it doesn't let you fire guns into your cast and crew just because you can't be bothered to check whether it was loaded.
No you dont get it maaaaaan
It takes way too long and years and years of training and discipline to figure out how to remove the magazine of a pistol maaaaan
It’s sooo difficult and too much of a hassle maaaaan
revolvers don't have magazines moron
that's even worse.
Yes, and the courts will prove it. The DA's office was moronic for charging him
who knows ? I think its safe to say the courts are a joke at this point anything could happen. Maybe he'll have to take a plea rather than risk going to trial.
Guilty of being smug
Everything he did AFTER the shooting though was wrong.
I wonder if Rust was gonna be a good film
Wait a minute. How many shots did he fire? Did he shoot more than one bullet?
And doesn't that quote show negligence on his part? He never should have joked around with the gun. It's not a fake gun, it's obviously real. The fact that the script never called for him to point and pull the trigger at the crew should put some of the blame on Baldwin.
So he was fricking around on set with a firearm instead of following proper safety procedures. Weird that he would say all of those things about firearms being dangerous and then do this.
he was clearly provoked into shooting its not his fault!
no but seriously, why the frick would you give someone a real gun which ontop of that is also loaded on a fricking movie set?
Im glad Alec is gonna get fricked in prison but this makes no sense
Because they fricked up multiple times by going against the established procedure of how you use prop firearms. There's no wider situation here, it's very simple and people are being bizarrely weird about not understanding if you break the rules designed to ensure safety, dangerous things can happen and people can actually die as a result.
I've posted in these threads several times and icbf greentexting it all again but I don't really need to because it's so simple. I've worked on productions that used firearms and from what has come out about this situation I can count five violations of standard practice and that's not including the frankly fricking insane inclusion of there being live ammo present on set.
Do stupid shit, get stupid results.
>ITS NOT HIS JOB ITS NOT HIS JOB SHE SAID IT WAS SAFE SHUT UP STOP BLAMING BALDWIN BLAME THE GUN
I don't care either way if he literally did anything wrong or not, but he seems like a prick so I wanna see him fail.
Yes, because it is OK when Hollywood stars are doing it
>He literally, LITERALLY did nothing wrong.
He committed perjury when he told investigators that he didn't pull the trigger on the gun.
If he had just be honest and said that he pulled the trigger as a joke because he had been told that the gun was loaded with blanks, he probably would have been let go. But because he lied, it makes it look like he's covering up criminal intent.
Why is it not Alec’s job to check for himself?
Is there some kind of contract or clause that says that he will be sued to oblivion and fined millions if he opens up a gun by himself?
Does he have some kind of hand disability that physically prevents him from opening up a gun?
Is there some obscure law that says that no one is allowed to open up a gun on a movie set except for like one designated person?
I’m genuinely curious why “it’s not his job” according to the person here defending baldwin
I wouldn't even know how to go about "opening up a gun" tbh
>I don’t know how to do something a grade schooler can do
Are urbanites this soft and moronic?
in my country only police and military have guns, regular people dont have them.
Imagine if Tom Cruise had to check every wire, every clamp, every inch of the crane, the electrical wiring on the timers, and every fricking bit and piece of safety equipment he is going to use on set, but not that it's properly installed, that it's FUNCTIONING AS INTENDED
That's literally a full time job anon.
It extends to every risky take, imagine a barn that's going to be on fire, and the actor having to double check all the boards that are going to be on his head, and all the flame and explosive stuff
What if you don't know anything of that shit?
To this example, what if you don't know SHIT about guns? Are you saying that every actor should be required to know which one is a dummy round, which one is a live round, which one is just a casket for a closeup...
Coming back to the barn on fire, what about everyone else? What about the cable guys, the extras, and assistants that will walk under it.
Do they also have to do a first hand check on everything that could result in death?
And actor shouldn't do any of that shit, nor be required for him to know all that shit
That's why they hire people to do that shit
An actor puts his trust in them, that's unavoidable
When Tom cruise jumps of a building strapped to a wire, there's probably 5 people grinding their teeth untill the shot is over, but that's the job.
Those aren't even close to the same thing, if the actir had reason to suspect that the brakes in a stunt car were faulty, but didn't ask for them to be checked or tested then they would be at fault if someone was injured. Why are you simping for this shithead celebrity? He was in charge of the production, did the wrong thing and someone was killed, he needs to accept the punishment.
>if the actir had reason to suspect...
He didn't, the armor said it was fine
>but didn't ask for them to be checked or tested then they would be at fault if someone was injured
You don't have to ASK for them to do it, that's their fricking job
Prep work is done long before the actor is on set.
It's also unrealistic for the actor, once it's on set ready to shoot, to dismantle every car he's going to use to double check personally that it's running as intended
The armourer wasn't present, he wasn't handed the weapon by the armourer, why would he assume that it's safe? Sounds like they weren't following procedure, which makes it his frick up since he's meant to be the producer.
Nobody is asking the actor to moonlight as a mechanic, but if the procedure for filming requires a mechanic to look over the car to make sure it is safe, but they don't follow it and someone is killed then the producer and possibly the actor would be liable.
>Sounds like they weren't following procedure
Again with that little word
No one knows the actual procedure of the set because it wasn't disclosed
If the procedure and the thing that everyone agrees, is that the armorer clears the gun, and then anyone can use it, why would your posts matter at all?
It's not the procedure of the set, it's the procedure of firearms safety. I don't get to say we don't have to lock our guns in my house because it's not our procedure when the neighbor kid breaks in and shoots himself.
How many times do we have to go over this, moron. Alec is the producer for the film, he helps decide who gets hired and what the procedure actually is. If he hired someone who's incomptent or doesn't follow the procedure, then he's still the one responsible.
Covers a standard procedure, surpisingly it doesn't just let you fire guns at people without the armourer present to check the guns, meaning that they weren't following procedure.
No matter which way you cut it Baldwin fricked up in multiple ways.
I can't imagine tom cruise would ever point a gun at someone and pull the trigger without personally making sure it was 100% safe, like dry firing it at the ground or something. Even if the gun only has blanks in it you are not supposed to point them at people because blanks can still kill or injure.
I'm onto you...
The sad thing is that you wasted your time typing out such a stupid wall of text and you probably thought you were so smart and proud of yourself when you hit 'post'.
>probably 5 people grinding their teeth untill the shot is over
I saw a canopy. I saw a canopy...... As you can tell everyone is oh thank god we didn't just film Tom killing himself. Hell even the wire work they did to train the stunt could have killed him if anything went wrong, never mind the real dirt bike off a cliff into a base jump.
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>open gun
>huh this is loaded
so lets call it a day phew I'm pooped!
>open gun
>don't know shit about guns
>armorer said the gun is safe to use
>round there must be a prop dummy
>said it was cold
>if Alec inspected it he would have seen the bullet in the gun
>if he didn't know what 'cold gun' meant he would have asked. Hell he should have asked if it was safe to shoot with the bullet inside it. That's assuming he followed procedure.
>WHAT BOUT TOM CRUISE!
Tom Cruise didn't shoot someone. Quit trying to deflect with irrelevant nonsense.
Killing women is LITTERALLY not wrong
redpill me on Splenda.
He was handed a dangerous assault revolver, which he had no clue how to operate and was told that it was cold. There was no reason at all for him to remove the clip and make sure it wasn't loaded, they literally pay people to do that for him.
All true, but in Baldwin's defense, why the frick were there bullets in a prop gun for a movie? Why is there even a clip for him to remove? Why the frick aren't movie guns just solid, gun-shaped hunks of plastic?
>There was no reason at all for him to remove the clip and make sure it wasn't loaded
Are you a sociopath or just incredibly incredibly stupid?
Either way, I hope someone gives you a gun one day, tells you it's empty, and then tells you to stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger.
Gun armorers don't want the actor to do a damn thing with the gun. You can ask to watch it being loaded or prepped by the expert but actors don't fiddle with a hot gun on set. Being it risks them doing something wrong or introducing a foreign object into the barrel. They get handed a gun seconds before a scene, then give it back.
This isn't uncle Billy Bob and you plinking in the back yard and being told the gun is empty by someone. A person is being paid serious money to insure gun safety and at the very least not load it with live ammo.
>Gun armorers don't want the actor to do a damn thing with the gun.
Well, the armorer can go stuff himself then.
I'm gonna check the gun myself and see if it's empty and if he doesn't like it, he's fired.
What do you have to say about that, you witless NPC?
> You can ask to watch it being loaded or prepped by the expert but actors don't fiddle with a hot gun on set.
Really?
Watch me take out the cylinder on set and check if it's empty.
What now?
>This isn't uncle Billy Bob and you plinking in the back yard and being told the gun is empty by someone.
But uncle billy bob and I shoot shit all the time, and we never run into problems.
So what's the excuse of a major Hollywood production backed by millions of dollars to make such a basic error in gun safety?
>A person is being paid serious money to insure gun safety and at the very least not load it with live ammo.
Sounds like a moronic scam.
Imagine paying someone to do something that ridiculous when I can just ask the local rednecks on gun safety and get way more value out of it.
It's almost as if the system you're defending is moronic and creates more problems than it solves?
>and if he doesn't like it, he's fired.
Actors work for the production house and studio. Your not going to fire anyone. You would just put in your contract or tell the director you must see all guns first hand being loaded or unloaded or you can't shoot the scene.
The ruled around actors fiddling with the guns changed a lot after Jon-Erik Hexum capped himself in the head with blank from a gun he held to his temple.
But Baldwin was also the producer for the film, gives him a lot more power than any regular actor. If he wanted to get rid of someone, especially if they're showing they're incompetent, it would happen.
If you went on a theme park ride and the ride attendant didn't check you were locked in properly and you fell off the ride and died, who's fault is that? Yours, or the ride attendant? Exactly
>this dumbass actually compared the act of sitting in a rollercoaster to picking up a gun and shooting another person with it
Baldwin ain't sending his best
He commited homicide with a firearm. That's what black people do.
I can't wait for the hilarious SNL skit parodying this!
Trump should make his own SNL just to make fun of this butthole.
SNL has a blind spot for mocking certain people like former cast member al frankin or Harvey Wienstien who apparently was a pal of lorne michaels.
He did but he won't be punished
Baldwin hired these people. He has also acted for 40+ years and handled guns on set. He should have checked the gun.
>delet
Don't worry baldwin gays. He'll get away with it by only having to pay some cash and be put on probation. He's a piece of shit.
why didn't he just leave the scene without calling the police?
I never realized they used real guns. I always thought they had some blank firing only fake movie-guns.
Not all movies do. But thanks to buttholes that don't know what their doing there probably won't be anymore. Humans are dumb.
Depends on the movie, depends on the shot and depends what they're doing in the scene.
A prop gun could range from a fully functioning gun to a plastic piece of crap that you could tell is fake in the right light, plus anything in between.
He killed more israelites than Hitler.
>ACT YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS b***h *BLAM*
>omg the gun malfunctioned! :~~*
>ill buy her husband and children a mcdonalds happy meal to make up for it
He probably had a moment where he felt invincible and was like "LoL look at me I'm a fricking cowboy gunslinger kekeke watch my shooting skills... BANG BANG BANG, uh, whoops" and pointed the gun all over the place and literally, in his brain, made the fully conscious to pull the trigger because of his fundamental showboat-y, jackass-y self and it ended up costing another person's life, next thing we know he'll be joyriding in his Lamborghini and end up killing someone, the dude is too famous and spoiled to be living in reality, he can be famous in jail now.
he was the producer on set, he aimed and fired the gun. if he gets away with this then the new mexico law enforcement are disclosing that famous rich people are above the law in their state.
If that's the case he should be cleared in the court of law
>He literally, LITERALLY did nothing wrong.
He played with a gun. He pointed a gun at a person. Guns are not toys. Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
I double and triple check my posts to see if I have typos, how the frick don't you check a gun before firing it on set?
I believe that this was a tragic accident. But I also believe this accident has triggered something inside him...he now has developed a "taste for blood." Unless he's locked up he will kill again
All discussions about gun safety are Moot because Alec Baldwin purposely murdered that woman
He had his friend give him the gun, against procedure, because they wanted to commit murder for fun
None of this was an unexpected accident
It's actually the opposite. He was set up to be a murderer because the crew hated him. Didnt they strike like a month earlier?
>his crew set him up to pull the trigger on a gun after aiming it at people and pulling the hammer back
Cool conspiracy theory.
with how much it is hammered in gun safety that so many people on the set are responsible for checking the gun multiple times, and with how much it is said over and over again, and how much it is known, that you aren't even supposed to point a gun at a person on the set, alec baldwin intentionally murdering the woman wouldn't suprise me.
gun safety is taken so seriously that an armorer or gun safety cordinator is literally allowed to call "cut!" and permanately revoke someones right to hold a real gun and make it so that they can only hold fake guns if they are deemed irresponsible.
gun safety is taken so seriously that literally the moment a gun ever goes missing, the police is immediately called to inturrupt filming and begin a police investigation as to where the gun went.
i'm saying that i'm telling this story that i'm about to tell to further verify that i took a gun safety course for film, but actually its just becuase its a fricking brutal story.
apparently one of the well known armorers was dismantling a 50. cal sniper rifle to put it away, and he didn't dismantle it in the proper order, and there is a giant spring inside the 50 caliber rifle, and because he didn't dismantle it in the proper order, the spring shot out of the rifle and into his eye and he lost his fricking eye. fricking brutal.
>be husband
>man who murdered your wife in cold blood (accidentally) confronts you
>invites you to breakfast, his treat
>while at Denny’s, Alec signs an autograph for the sous chef, who agrees to bring you out a lunch item despite it not being 10:30 yet
>and so, you are treated to a Bourbon Bacon Burger, made with aged white cheddar cheese, bacon, sautéed mushrooms, fire-roasted bell peppers & onions, bourbon sauce, lettuce, tomato, red onions and pickles on a brioche bun. Served with wavy-cut fries. A hefty $13.69, but Alec waves his hand and laughs it off. “Tu casa es mi casa!” He says, with a good natured smile on his face.
>you don’t know what that means but whatever
>tears of joy run down your son’s face as Alec lets him order the Choconana Pancake Breakfast. Ghirardelli® chocolate chips cooked inside buttermilk pancakes and topped with more Ghirardelli® chocolate chips with fresh bananas on the side to keep the fruit fresh until you're ready to eat. Served with eggs,* hash browns, plus bacon strips or sausage links. Naturally your son picks the sausage links
>Alec orders himself a humble Moons Over My Hammy®, a ham and scrambled egg sandwich with Swiss & American cheeses on grilled artisan bread. Served with hash browns.
>You all dig in as Alec explains why it’s not his fault that he pointed a gun at your wife and shot her with it
>you and your son nod in agreement.
>You want to point out that this man shot and killed your wife, but Denny’s breakfast specials are just too spectacular to argue with
>tears well in your eyes as it hits you that your son will never see his mother again, but Alec quickly notices and cheers you up with a Donald Trump impersonation explaining why guns are bad for you
>as Alec goes to pay, his backup gun falls out of his wallet and shoots the waiter in the foot
>Alec apologizes and promises to treat him to breakfast, everyone laughs
Don't you put your pants over your boots
I kind of feel bad for him but he should have hired a better technician
>He literally, LITERALLY did nothing wrong.
I mean, besides murdering that poor woman in cold blood.
Why the frick do they even have real bullets on a movie set?
Because the captain didn't keep a tight ship.
Sometimes people on set go to a gun range to shoot. If moronic you might then bring live ammo back to set.
Wouldn't doubt if that is what they did here.
He just wanted to kill a poor. It's fine. He will do time in rich people jail and be put on house arrest bound to his 6 global estates. Later he will sign a book deal for a book he didn't write and make money from murdering someone. It's fine though because he is rich.