>maintained political and cultural stability over hundreds of year, offering its citizens living standards that wouldn't be replicated until after the 1600-1700s >didn't fly so good
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>offering its citizens living standards that wouldn't be replicated until after the 1600-1700s
how do you know?
85% of the work was already done for him... People day this shit about Alexander when talking about how his daddy did all the work for him. Frick that shit, Alexander had a rigorous training regimen from the a very early age and bled with his men, and earned their respect as a leader of soldiers and a soldier himself. Augustus literally was a terrible military strategist, who was lucky that he had been given the name Caesar or else he would've never had attracted so many up an coming military minds that wanted to progess in station through him and his family name.
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Its almost as if the best leaders embody the Machiavellian ideals, and not some homosexual "bleeding with his men". You know who needs to bleed with the men? Their commander. Their commanders commander, that someone needs to be someone with a gigabrain, capable of playing 4D chess whilst dealing with treachery and political turmoil. Doesn't matter if he's an effeminate "beta" (who by the way was also rigorously trained from a young age, only in intellectual arts and politics).
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Augustus and Agrippa made a great political pair >Autistic administrative genius with a good name >Excellent tactician and commander from a humble background who got uplifted
Augustus never would've gotten as far as he did without having the good sense to make Agrippa his second in command
Treason and sedition, waging an illegal war against Rome and her allies, usurping the power and scheming to make himself a tyrant, misappropriation of public funds and property.
His worst mistake was being too lenient with his roman enemies. Had he exterminated all those who fought him in open war, he'd most than likely would have a reign similar to Caesar Augusus.
>bribery >Cato again championed legislation banning bribery (proposed by a tribune named Marcus Aufidius Lurco), which was defeated, in part because the voters liked receiving payment for their votes.
Maybe the Republic deserved what the got
Caesar was a hero and was considered as such for most of history by most people. There's a reason Dante Aligheri put Brutus and Cassius Longinus right next to Judas getting tortured for eternity in the final circle of hell. It's only modern "muh democracy" homosexuals that b***h and moan about Caesar being a heckin' dictator.
No. It's tempting to say Caesar killed the Republic, but in truth the Republic was already dead due to the actions of the Gracchi and Marius/Sulla. Particularly the reforms of Marius made the Legions more loyal to their commanders than to the Senate, and that was the end of Senatorial authority.
Augustus pointed out that if Caesar hadn't done it, some other ambitious young noble would have. The Republic was already doomed. I respect the Optimates for trying to preserve the ideals of the republic, but it was already a forgone conclusion. They SHOULD have enabled some reforms during the Gracchi period in order to create greater social mobility in Rome, but the moronic fricking Optimates resisted even the slightest change and it doomed the whole Republic in the end. In some sense the Republic was also doomed by it's own success, too much land, too much riches, too many slaves, and no serious external threat to bind people together. The vanishing of the independent middle class yeoman farmers meant that Rome was always going to become a mob driven dictatorial mess.
History is not deterministic. Of course fricking Augustus said history would have turned out that way, they had just killed and imprisoned hundreds of thousands who were fighting against that. >the south was always gonna lose, why even try?
It's that sort of homosexualy thinking that have historians trying to say what the 'right' side of history is. Trust that if Cato and Metellus had been victorious even at Thapsus, which they very well could have been, they would have returned with a triumph and set to order another hundred years of republicanism.
What happens then is anyone's guess. But to say it was ruined and to keep moaning like a moron about it just betrays how little you know about the world, it's institutions, and what actually brings about change.
>they would have returned with a triumph and set to order another hundred years of republicanism.
And some other ambitious Populares would have come along and done EXACTLY what Caesar, Sulla, Marius, (and to some extant) Pompey, the Gracchi, and Crassus, all did. Gather as much personal power as possible. If the Optimates had won the war, what would have happened would be 10-15 years of peace before another Civil War, this time with some other Populare at the head.
The conditions that had supported Rome as a Republic had been sufficiently transformed too far to be recovered. The only possible solution to extending the Republican period would have been either the Optimates agreeing to reform Roman social mobility (which was never going to happen), or for a serious external threat to arise.
Like I said, the Republic was doomed from it's own success. The social fabric of the Roman state had changed so radically since it's founding that change was inevitable. You are beyond naive if you think one or two (or even a dozen) military victories would have changed that. They may have prolonged the life of the Republic a little, but the change to Empire was going to happen and there was no way to stop that short of radical change to the system.
The republic was basically like the United States in the level of corruption, and if he was as benevolent for the plebs as history states, but then you see what came after. Rome had just extended itself to far.
He tried to be a dictator without conducting a political purge. Big mistake. When you take absolute power you need to get rid of the homosexuals who were there before you did it because they'll always think of you as that one c**t who took absolute power. Saddam and Stalin did it about right.
That's what Sulla did before Caesar, and Caesar's family got heavily purged. Caesar himself had to hide with sympathetic friends until they convinced Sulla to let him off the hook.
I think that experience kind of gave Caesar a distaste for killing political opponents just for their politics. But you are absolutely right in that it was his biggest mistake.
A recurrent irony of history is that many people did things wrong because they saw things being done right and they didn't like it. Part of it is that they don't understand what would have happened otherwise, so they take the wrong lesson from what they witnessed. Like how Bashar al-Assad in 2011 failed to replicate the 1982 Hama massacre to put an end to the uprising, or how Catholics got soft on heretics as a result of killing all the Cathar heretics until they changed their mind (the St Barthelemy massacre) but way too late.
>BY ORDER OF GAUIS J. Black personMOOT AND HIS HORDE OF JANNIES THIS CHAT IS NOW DECLARED UNLAWFUL UNLESS CONVERSATION STEERS BACK TO THE TOPIC OF ROME, THE TELEVISION SHOW, AND NOT THE HISTORICAL FACTS ON WHICH IT IS BASED
>Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice! >Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice! >Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice! >Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice! >Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice!
This show is about how women force men to be more degenerate and choose their dangerous paths.
*Vorenus eternally cucked by his wife turning him into a villain
*Brutus killing Caesar because Servillia is bitter she doesn’t get to keep sucking his wiener
*Atia being a bawd and turning her daughter into a brother fricker and gilf fricker
*octavian tuning into a emperor to prove to his mother he has oak in his penis
*Pullos slave not telling him she was married so he gets his hopes up and then reacts violently
>Vorenus wife kills herself instead of facing the music >this leads to Vorenus daughters hating their father beacuse in their mind he killed their mother
love from kazakhstan
It's why women are actually pretty important but not for the reason people think they are
The greatest motivator is getting your nagging wife to shut up.
>I AM NO TYRANT! I am no tyrant. I know he swapped sides. I knew he was always loyal to Pompey and the Republic. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot Cicero to vouch for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That refusal to my offer! Are you telling me that a man just happens to hate Macedonia that much? No! He openly snubbed me! Brutus! He held a knife to my throat in a graffiti! And I forgave him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own family! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 15, always the same! Couldn't keep his mother out of my bedroom! But not our Brutus! Couldn't be precious Brutus! Stabbing me dead! And HE gets to be a consul designate? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you, you have to stop him! You -
>latins were very genetically close to germanics and celts >WE WUZ ROMAN KANGZ AND SHIET
I swear to god you angloids and germoids are as cringe as the woke media when it forces neggers in european history/fiction.
you can look it up, and the origins of latins and where they migrated from
>latins were very genetically close to germanics and celts >WE WUZ ROMAN KANGZ AND SHIET
I swear to god you angloids and germoids are as cringe as the woke media when it forces neggers in european history/fiction.
also by assassinating cesear they paved the way for that moron augustus to turn Rome into an empire which paved the way for its eventually destruction
cesaer had no aspirations to do so
That scene where Antony says Caesar is willing to accept diplomatic immunity through governance of a legion province, Illyria, by preference. (I think I heard on a podcast recently that it wasn't called that until much later)
Was this supposed to be an unacceptable offer or would Caesar have been content with it if Scipio and Cato etc would have said ''svre''?
But what of Good Solonius?
Was Caesar's assassination deserved?
Seems like he became a dictator and the conspirators were afraid of what he would do to Rome.
Name one thing he did wrong.
Acting like a dictator
Like what?
You are confusing him for this little shit.
This "little shit" forged the greatest empire in human history.
It didn't fly so good.
He was dead at this point. Not his fault.
>maintained political and cultural stability over hundreds of year, offering its citizens living standards that wouldn't be replicated until after the 1600-1700s
>didn't fly so good
>offering its citizens living standards that wouldn't be replicated until after the 1600-1700s
how do you know?
85% of the work was already done for him... People day this shit about Alexander when talking about how his daddy did all the work for him. Frick that shit, Alexander had a rigorous training regimen from the a very early age and bled with his men, and earned their respect as a leader of soldiers and a soldier himself. Augustus literally was a terrible military strategist, who was lucky that he had been given the name Caesar or else he would've never had attracted so many up an coming military minds that wanted to progess in station through him and his family name.
Its almost as if the best leaders embody the Machiavellian ideals, and not some homosexual "bleeding with his men". You know who needs to bleed with the men? Their commander. Their commanders commander, that someone needs to be someone with a gigabrain, capable of playing 4D chess whilst dealing with treachery and political turmoil. Doesn't matter if he's an effeminate "beta" (who by the way was also rigorously trained from a young age, only in intellectual arts and politics).
Augustus and Agrippa made a great political pair
>Autistic administrative genius with a good name
>Excellent tactician and commander from a humble background who got uplifted
Augustus never would've gotten as far as he did without having the good sense to make Agrippa his second in command
Hated how they changed the actor to that guy. He wasn’t as good
Why did they recast him. Second season could've been kino, what an awful choice.
Kinky sex scene.
Also, he's supposed to be older or something.
Time skip
he was elected dictator by the senate. literally his job to act like a dictator
Treason and sedition, waging an illegal war against Rome and her allies, usurping the power and scheming to make himself a tyrant, misappropriation of public funds and property.
He was making the mother of all omelettes. Gotta break a few eggs.
Illegal war o ly according to the state.... grow up sheep
His worst mistake was being too lenient with his roman enemies. Had he exterminated all those who fought him in open war, he'd most than likely would have a reign similar to Caesar Augusus.
Illegal warfare, theft, bribery and treason.
>bribery
>Cato again championed legislation banning bribery (proposed by a tribune named Marcus Aufidius Lurco), which was defeated, in part because the voters liked receiving payment for their votes.
Maybe the Republic deserved what the got
Caesar was a hero and was considered as such for most of history by most people. There's a reason Dante Aligheri put Brutus and Cassius Longinus right next to Judas getting tortured for eternity in the final circle of hell. It's only modern "muh democracy" homosexuals that b***h and moan about Caesar being a heckin' dictator.
>It's only modern "muh democracy" homosexuals that b***h and moan about Caesar being a heckin' dictator.
you can just say leftists
upvoted
>caesar wasn't a leftist
didn't sulla have a trap lover? metrobius or something?
Or neocons.
He wasn't.
democracy is just so fricking GAY
I WANT a strong black man to frick me in the ass and lead the country
No. It's tempting to say Caesar killed the Republic, but in truth the Republic was already dead due to the actions of the Gracchi and Marius/Sulla. Particularly the reforms of Marius made the Legions more loyal to their commanders than to the Senate, and that was the end of Senatorial authority.
Augustus pointed out that if Caesar hadn't done it, some other ambitious young noble would have. The Republic was already doomed. I respect the Optimates for trying to preserve the ideals of the republic, but it was already a forgone conclusion. They SHOULD have enabled some reforms during the Gracchi period in order to create greater social mobility in Rome, but the moronic fricking Optimates resisted even the slightest change and it doomed the whole Republic in the end. In some sense the Republic was also doomed by it's own success, too much land, too much riches, too many slaves, and no serious external threat to bind people together. The vanishing of the independent middle class yeoman farmers meant that Rome was always going to become a mob driven dictatorial mess.
History is not deterministic. Of course fricking Augustus said history would have turned out that way, they had just killed and imprisoned hundreds of thousands who were fighting against that.
>the south was always gonna lose, why even try?
It's that sort of homosexualy thinking that have historians trying to say what the 'right' side of history is. Trust that if Cato and Metellus had been victorious even at Thapsus, which they very well could have been, they would have returned with a triumph and set to order another hundred years of republicanism.
What happens then is anyone's guess. But to say it was ruined and to keep moaning like a moron about it just betrays how little you know about the world, it's institutions, and what actually brings about change.
>they would have returned with a triumph and set to order another hundred years of republicanism.
And some other ambitious Populares would have come along and done EXACTLY what Caesar, Sulla, Marius, (and to some extant) Pompey, the Gracchi, and Crassus, all did. Gather as much personal power as possible. If the Optimates had won the war, what would have happened would be 10-15 years of peace before another Civil War, this time with some other Populare at the head.
The conditions that had supported Rome as a Republic had been sufficiently transformed too far to be recovered. The only possible solution to extending the Republican period would have been either the Optimates agreeing to reform Roman social mobility (which was never going to happen), or for a serious external threat to arise.
Like I said, the Republic was doomed from it's own success. The social fabric of the Roman state had changed so radically since it's founding that change was inevitable. You are beyond naive if you think one or two (or even a dozen) military victories would have changed that. They may have prolonged the life of the Republic a little, but the change to Empire was going to happen and there was no way to stop that short of radical change to the system.
The republic was basically like the United States in the level of corruption, and if he was as benevolent for the plebs as history states, but then you see what came after. Rome had just extended itself to far.
No. The world is a worse place because of it.
He tried to be a dictator without conducting a political purge. Big mistake. When you take absolute power you need to get rid of the homosexuals who were there before you did it because they'll always think of you as that one c**t who took absolute power. Saddam and Stalin did it about right.
how about pol pot?
I don't know much about the orientals.
That's what Sulla did before Caesar, and Caesar's family got heavily purged. Caesar himself had to hide with sympathetic friends until they convinced Sulla to let him off the hook.
I think that experience kind of gave Caesar a distaste for killing political opponents just for their politics. But you are absolutely right in that it was his biggest mistake.
A recurrent irony of history is that many people did things wrong because they saw things being done right and they didn't like it. Part of it is that they don't understand what would have happened otherwise, so they take the wrong lesson from what they witnessed. Like how Bashar al-Assad in 2011 failed to replicate the 1982 Hama massacre to put an end to the uprising, or how Catholics got soft on heretics as a result of killing all the Cathar heretics until they changed their mind (the St Barthelemy massacre) but way too late.
He served as a justification for tyrants for two thousand years. You can't trust our image of him.
Now I admire Pompey, I do.
to die inbthis sordid way, quartered like some low thief... SHAME!!
>destroys the republic
>bitches about elected politicians
>BY ORDER OF GAUIS J. Black personMOOT AND HIS HORDE OF JANNIES THIS CHAT IS NOW DECLARED UNLAWFUL UNLESS CONVERSATION STEERS BACK TO THE TOPIC OF ROME, THE TELEVISION SHOW, AND NOT THE HISTORICAL FACTS ON WHICH IT IS BASED
Very based.
THIRTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
titus pullin' on deez noots
>tfw you run out of barbarians to kill and worlds to conquer
jesus christ that brought back some feels
probably best gaming experience was conquering the known world one 20 minute end turn wait at a time
>Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice!
>Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice!
>Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice!
>Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice!
>Janny of Cinemaphile, I call for justice!
This show is about how women force men to be more degenerate and choose their dangerous paths.
*Vorenus eternally cucked by his wife turning him into a villain
*Brutus killing Caesar because Servillia is bitter she doesn’t get to keep sucking his wiener
*Atia being a bawd and turning her daughter into a brother fricker and gilf fricker
*octavian tuning into a emperor to prove to his mother he has oak in his penis
*Pullos slave not telling him she was married so he gets his hopes up and then reacts violently
Why don’t they let us just relax with our bros?
>forgetting Antony and Cleo
Are you a woman? Why don’t you just add to it instead of passively aggressively criticizing
very gaullish looking fellow there
>Vorenus wife kills herself instead of facing the music
>this leads to Vorenus daughters hating their father beacuse in their mind he killed their mother
love from kazakhstan
Shit testing the men around them is instinctive to women. Like a cat scratching or a salmon migrating
>Why don’t they let us just relax with our bros?
they listen to the words of satan whispering in their ear
what a weird way to bite an apple
That's the history of all civilization, all great things. It's the first story in the Bible for a reason.
It's why women are actually pretty important but not for the reason people think they are
The greatest motivator is getting your nagging wife to shut up.
And what of good Solonius?
Based
funny how the bots only respond to their inputs and cant react outside of their programming re:
Based and Solonius pilled.
>I AM NO TYRANT! I am no tyrant. I know he swapped sides. I knew he was always loyal to Pompey and the Republic. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot Cicero to vouch for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That refusal to my offer! Are you telling me that a man just happens to hate Macedonia that much? No! He openly snubbed me! Brutus! He held a knife to my throat in a graffiti! And I forgave him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own family! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 15, always the same! Couldn't keep his mother out of my bedroom! But not our Brutus! Couldn't be precious Brutus! Stabbing me dead! And HE gets to be a consul designate? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you, you have to stop him! You -
Bravo
A daring synthesis
ALL MOCKERY OF JANNIES AND THEIR WAGES SHALL BE KEPT TO AN APPROPRIATE MINIMUM
>What wages?
>AN APPROPRIATE MINIMUM
Just like their wages lmao
By order of the Jannies, all mockery of israelites and their One God shall be kept to an appropriate minimum.
because of leftists, you will never get a show this good again.
in what regard, moron
moron
HE WAS A KEKOLD OF ROME
Ghenghis Khan > Julius and Octavius
How can nordcucks and an*loids even compete with the med bvll?
latins were very genetically close to germanics and celts, and not med at all, especially the roman elite until the I century AD
>t. gavl cvck
you can look it up, and the origins of latins and where they migrated from
Rome fell when they became germanized, and Italy had to spent a millenia recovering from it before the renaissance.
>latins were very genetically close to germanics and celts
>WE WUZ ROMAN KANGZ AND SHIET
I swear to god you angloids and germoids are as cringe as the woke media when it forces neggers in european history/fiction.
I thought these guys were Roman why does everyone sound and look like they are from Downton Abbey?
well i mean pomPEE was a real moron thinking the ptolemies would just welcome him in after losing so pathetically in greece
deserved it
based thread going to watch it now
also by assassinating cesear they paved the way for that moron augustus to turn Rome into an empire which paved the way for its eventually destruction
cesaer had no aspirations to do so
That scene where Antony says Caesar is willing to accept diplomatic immunity through governance of a legion province, Illyria, by preference. (I think I heard on a podcast recently that it wasn't called that until much later)
Was this supposed to be an unacceptable offer or would Caesar have been content with it if Scipio and Cato etc would have said ''svre''?