You know, this movie really isn't that good. There are a handful of good scenes, but the plot is really lame and disjointed, the stupid "drop anything in 30 seconds" line is awkward, and most of the acting with the exception of Val Kilmer is pretty terrible.
Seriously, Al Pacino just yells and overacts the whole time and Robert De Niro acts like he's somewhere on the spectrum. I will give it that the bank shootout is a great scene and deserves the praise. It very clearly conveys that the protagonists are not some sort of noble crooks with a code, but just hardened professional criminals. It's all for nothing in the end, because the movie just drags on and on instead of finding a way to wrap up.
you will never be white
fpbp. let it be known that today OP was absolutely filtered.
agreed. robert deniro is shit. the romance subplot is gay.
michael mann just wanted to make a gun shootout bank robbery movie and hamfisted everything else.
>michael mann just wanted to make a gun shootout bank robbery movie and hamfisted everything else.
No joke, but I guess the studio told him he had to put all these other elements to make it palatable... to someone.
My advice for anyone thinking to watch this is to watch the first 15 minutes, then watch the scene where they try to exchange the bonds, then watch the bank shootout. If you want a laugh, then find someone that's compiled Al Pacino screaming and yelling about "BIG ASSES!" and "YOU CAN FRICK MY WIFE, BUT DON'T YOU WATCH MY TELEVISION SET!"
>No joke, but I guess the studio told him he had to put all these other elements to make it palatable... to someone.
heat is a shot for shot remake (i think because I couldnt make it past the beginning) of LA takedown which was a pilot for a tv show turned into tv movie so he probably wrote it with a broad audience in mind. Which makes it extra hilarious when pseuds defend the awful b story elements.
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Holy shit, it makes so much more sense now!
>Jump through the youtube video to see if it's more than just the beginning
>Literally has the same exact scene sitting at the bar counter asking him what he's reading
the television bit was hilarious - especially when he does all that only to chuck it out the window 5 minutes later.
He's so unbelievably bad.
it's okay that you were filtered, anon. no need to run around coping in public like this.
he's such a terrible actor. him and nick cage end up doing this over the top performative presentation
Idk if youve been tested, but you may be moronic. Just something to think about
>Look at me, I'm being contraion on Cinemaphile
You know you can just admit you're a pussy b***h who got filtered
>I'm such a patrician for wasting 3 hours watching stupid forced romance and relationship plots to get 25 minutes of good action scenes.
THIS MOVE IS NEARLY 3 HOURS LONG AND SUCKS DICK FOR 80% OF IT!
Your life is much longer than that and you've sucked dick for 100% of it.
Looks like you're the contrarian :^)
How did Natalie Portman get into Al Pacino's hotel?
I agree fully. The bank heist is bar none the best shootout in a movie but overall the movie is too long and drags at times.
Do you think it could be edited down into a better film?
Maybe skip Hanna's family stuff, leave the Black guy out etc.
We could have done without Val Kilmer's family shenanigans too. That scene where he goes back to meet his girlfriend and then gets back in the car when he realises she's with the feds is fricking ridiculous lol.
id never leave prime ashley juddd even. if she was a fed
When I watched it I thought maybe I watched some sort of extended version, but nope. It was what they literally fricking released. It absolutely could have been shortened down into something that sucked way less, but it still would never be a great movie. Just better. De Niro and Pacino are so shit that there's just no really redeeming it.
>De Niro and Pacino are so shit that there's just no really redeeming it.
I agree. Kilmer basically carries the movie because those two ham it up way too much.
Of course it could have been edited down. It should be a tight action movie. It has no business being 2 hours and 50 minutes long.
>We could have done without Val Kilmer's family shenanigans too
that goes to the theme though which is that everyone needs another person to complete them
>de niro & pacino
>all the relationship stuff with pacino
>all the relationship stuff with de niro
>group of detective friends vs. a group of criminal friends
Apparently there is an abridged version that was broadcast by NBC in 1999 which removed 40 minutes of footage, but this cut was disowned by Michael Mann. He wanted to make the NBC cut even longer than the theatrical cut.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/alternateversions
The movie thinks is cooler that it actually is.
Agreed. I imagined when they were coming up with the ending showdown that they thought it was so cool.
>Yeah! It'll be like a samurai showdown!
I'll give Mann credit for at least being stylish with the lighting, but de Niro and Pacino are so fricking bad that it just comes out like shit.
op has a point - but the ending was really about deniro and pacino in a scene together which was a big deal at the time as people didnt realize they had become shit yet
but the cool shootout scene
Has anyone read the sequel & prequel novel Heat 2?
Shut up u little b***h
i had zero interest in this on Amazon prime at home. zero couldn't make it past the opening.
but in the theater it was completely engrossing had my attention 100%
Are we finally going to agree that Collateral is better?
once upon a time.....
A handful of good scenes is what makes a good movie though.
Anything more and it's a great movie.
I don't think MM ever gets out of the mindset of making long form TV series, he just shoots the same amount of footage as half a season of a show and edits it down to movie length. Thief seems like its cut tighter though.
ITT: ADHD zoomers getting filtered by pure kino
You know, I can't tell if you're joking or if you've really deluded yourself into thinking Heat is a great film instead of 3 good scenes and 2.5 hours of shit.
>3 good scenes and 2.5 hours of shit.
That's the most pleb take you could possibly imagine. Why do you even watch movies if character development bores you? The shootout in Heat is legendary, not only because of its execution. It's where the characters are close to reaching their breaking point. It's where all these different interests and motivations are culminating. The buildup giving a glimpse into both cops' and criminals' lives, showing that they all are normal people at the end of the day, is just as much part of the shootout.
I would feel genuinely sorry for you if you weren't so fricking obnoxious. Go watch your Marvel trash or whatever the frick is being shilled to your lot these days.
You hype up this scene yet...
>Still 1 hour left in the film after its over
Again, why do you watch movies if character development bores you?
Yes. Cops aren't real people anyway.
>why do you watch movies if character development bores you?
Because the characters and actors in this movie pretty much all suck and are booooooooooooring and drawn out way too much.
Like we get it, Robert de Niro is a loner
Val Kilmer is an abusive family man
Al Pacino is a hard-boiled detective with a failing 3rd marriage
I don't need this shit to take up 75% of a fricking heist movie. Especially when the acting and writing is so bad.
You fail to see having insights into their private lives humanizes those characters. It adds a psychological component, it adds pressure. Just showing the heist and preparations is fricking boring. It has been done thousands of times.
Usually I don't run around and call people midwits, but I'm 100 % convinced that's what you are. You are of limited intellect and have no attention span. Watching films about people obviously bores you, so why don't you take refuge in the latest capeshit instead?
It's possible to show character development and get all of the points I brought up across without it being completely awful like in Heat.
>They're all normal people
>But some normal people use child shields and massacre cops.
>Reminder that it could have been padded out even more with nothing scenes like this:
so true
Collateral>Heat
>People thought Al Pacino was still a good actor when this came out.
kek
>this guys supposed to be an established, acclaimed actor?
The character was on coke you doofuses. This is well known.
Also, who the frick are all these buttholes in this thread? Heat is fricking awesome.
It was a well known retcon Pacino fabricated years later so people would stop asking why he was was phoning it in.
Are you retconning a retcon?
>filtered by fricking HEAT of all things
it's my favourite movie but it's not that smart, the cocaine habit wasn't that subtle
>A boring family drama masquerading as an action film is my favorite movie.
You're a dum-dum.
>HE WAS ON COKE!
There are zero scenes or lines of dialogue implying it. He was just sucking it up.
The recurring 30 seconds line thing is just plain cringey and awful, I'll give you that
>most of the acting with the exception of Val Kilmer is pretty terrible.
Val Kilmer carrying a film yet again
All of the shit about boo hoo suicidal Natalie Portman should have been fricking
D R O P P E D
that kind of shit is a b-plot for a miniseries.
Why do you aids riddled trannies feel even the slightest entitlement to make such shit threads? Heat is one of the greatest and no amount of subhuman screaming will change that
Thief is a better movie - Look at this tight-cut kino and tell me it doesn't tell you everything you need to know in 10 minutes
I've seen it twice and got too bored to even remember it both times, made me feel like a zoomer rodent. But I really love Manhunter, Mann's other movie, it might be my favourite neo-noir.
I agree with you 100%.
>what if heist movie but most of the runtime is extremely boring relationship/family drama
it's the equivalent of "capeshit but deep"
zoomer detected. kino as a kid, kino now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Sizemore#Sexual_abuse_allegations
>You now realize the child hostage in this scene was in danger IRL too.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Sizemore#Sexual_abuse_allegations
>Substance abuse and legal problems
Shit, I just him in NBK. And I've seen him in a thousand other 90's kinos like Saving Private Ryan, etc. I didn't realize he fricked his career up in the 2000's
Its wild, he's like the third Always Sunny guest star that can't come back on the show now.
I feel Tom Cruise as Vincent Collateral was stronger that De Niro's character in Heat.
Of course it was since Tom is the better actor.
YWNBAW
>Op hates the final shootout
are you a gay Black person?
My advice to everyone itt:
Dont let yourself get baited into a thread you’re not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat when you see that gay OP coming round the catalog.
It's a free country, brother.
Jon Voight looked like he hated every scene he was in.
Go back to your cartoons, queer boy.