The dialogue feels like it was written by a 12 years old who discovered cussing, and the main audience of this show is insufferable homosexuals and dog fuckers.
I'd rather watch 100 wpisodes of The Nutshack than an other one of this crap
Me too, at least the intro alone gets a giggle from me. THAT’S ONE MORE GIGGLE THAN I’VE EVER GOTTEN FROM THIS TRAIN WRECK
yeah, that's the one
remember, most 30 year old women that are childless will act like teenagers to cope. They may grow out of it, but Vivzie is at that difficult, insufferable age.
She’s also fat. I know we like to fatfag and joke about that in these threads, but being overweight can fuck up your mentality in ways no one can understand.
Fat, childless and 30+ must be a death sentence for women to some degree.
>The dialogue feels like it was written by a 12 years old who discovered cussing, and the main audience of this show is insufferable homosexuals and dog fuckers.
I'd rather watch 100 wpisodes of The Nutshack than an other one of this crap
I literally just same to this realization watching the new episode.
It feels like it was written for 12 year olds in how it portrays it's messages, themes and characters.
Everything is portrayed in such a over the top way that there's no nuance to any of the characters or stories.
Shows like Adventure time or the power puff girls are wacky but they know when to be quiet. And have a lot more maturity than the so called adult cartoon.
It's almost like Vivzie's brain stopped growing at 12 and she has been parading around as a woman-child with loads of power, influence,deep deep pockets, and absolutely ZERO restraints.
At this point Viv tries WAY too hard in making Ozzie and Fizz all cutesy. It is way overdone now. And now also Ozzie has the issue of Beelzebub from episode 8. He can by any other character and it would not make a difference. Also the story doesn't make all that much sense since Mammon is LITERALLY Sin of Greed so why would Fizz expect him to treat him well. Not to mention that he is apparently Fizz's hero and "Never meet your heroes" story works when your hero is an actual hero and not... SIN OF GREED. It's just so dumb. I do appreciate that Mammon is actually Evil, but good lord this story makes no sense. The setting actively either doesn't mean anything at all or is a detriment to the show because the characters way too human at this point.
Exactly. I thought these were supposed to be demons. But one somehow well meaning, somehow innocent imp borne of hell can turn the literal embodiment of the deadly sin of lust into a pillar of virtue and loyalty. Fizz really is just a Viv self insert.
I was so sure fizz was gonna say "mammon you fat sack of shit", don't wanna get into the consipiracy territory but I think Vivie was scared she would receive backlash if she went with that lyric
Yeah and him going on about that exploitation bit was so on the nose, does Vivie even understands what a deadly sin is? Asmodeus being a loyal supportive boyfriend is so fucking dumb, yeah dude the embodiment of lust would dedicate himself to one person
>Also the story doesn't make all that much sense since Mammon is LITERALLY Sin of Greed so why would Fizz expect him to treat him well
He doesn't, he just think he own him.
A wonderful episode. Fizz should be wrapped in a blanket and given a cup of hot cocoa for the abuse he goes through (along with Moxxie, Stolas, and Blitzo.) I just want to comfort them all. Also the seethe from straights and Loonatards is up high, that’s good. These people freak out when gay men are (rightfully) portrayed as victims more than the time I said Classic South Park was shit compared to the superior new episodes on /b/. Well done,Viv and a happy late birthday. You’re great at portraying trauma and abuse with heart wrenching detail.
Because it’s true, Viv only reveals the truth about lessers. Lessers are terrible people, Viv is female and I do not blame her for despising her own gender.
I'm so glad you've returned, my lovely latinx braphound. >Fizz should be wrapped in a blanket and given a cup of hot cocoa for the abuse he goes through
Oh I'll wrap him in something alright. I can brew him a fresh batch of something brown like cocoa to drink. >Also the seethe from straights
Straights always seethe over things don't understand. They don't understand shitplay is an ancient and natural part of male on male love. I knew you were enlightened to the pleasures of spreading your lover's lumpy diarrhea over yourself. I'm sure Fizz as the precious gay man he is does the same for Ozzie. >Because it’s true, Viv only reveals the truth about lessers. Lessers are terrible people, Viv is female and I do not blame her for despising her own gender.
She should transition to the better sex. A few hormones, a few laxatives and she'll be a pungent braphound after our own hearts.
Viv roasted you all and showed you’re nothing but abusers and were only poking at your corpse with sticks, because this is outdated. Deal with it and stop posting retarded shit. We’re celebrating.
I'm so glad you've returned, my lovely latinx braphound. >Fizz should be wrapped in a blanket and given a cup of hot cocoa for the abuse he goes through
Oh I'll wrap him in something alright. I can brew him a fresh batch of something brown like cocoa to drink. >Also the seethe from straights
Straights always seethe over things don't understand. They don't understand shitplay is an ancient and natural part of male on male love. I knew you were enlightened to the pleasures of spreading your lover's lumpy diarrhea over yourself. I'm sure Fizz as the precious gay man he is does the same for Ozzie. >Because it’s true, Viv only reveals the truth about lessers. Lessers are terrible people, Viv is female and I do not blame her for despising her own gender.
She should transition to the better sex. A few hormones, a few laxatives and she'll be a pungent braphound after our own hearts.
I'm so glad you've returned, my lovely latinx braphound. >Fizz should be wrapped in a blanket and given a cup of hot cocoa for the abuse he goes through
Oh I'll wrap him in something alright. I can brew him a fresh batch of something brown like cocoa to drink. >Also the seethe from straights
Straights always seethe over things don't understand. They don't understand shitplay is an ancient and natural part of male on male love. I knew you were enlightened to the pleasures of spreading your lover's lumpy diarrhea over yourself. I'm sure Fizz as the precious gay man he is does the same for Ozzie. >Because it’s true, Viv only reveals the truth about lessers. Lessers are terrible people, Viv is female and I do not blame her for despising her own gender.
She should transition to the better sex. A few hormones, a few laxatives and she'll be a pungent braphound after our own hearts.
is cool because he makes Stolasfag freak out and leave
Viv roasted you all and showed you’re nothing but abusers and were only poking at your corpse with sticks, because this is outdated. Deal with it and stop posting retarded shit. We’re celebrating.
I'm so glad you've returned, my lovely latinx braphound. >Fizz should be wrapped in a blanket and given a cup of hot cocoa for the abuse he goes through
Oh I'll wrap him in something alright. I can brew him a fresh batch of something brown like cocoa to drink. >Also the seethe from straights
Straights always seethe over things don't understand. They don't understand shitplay is an ancient and natural part of male on male love. I knew you were enlightened to the pleasures of spreading your lover's lumpy diarrhea over yourself. I'm sure Fizz as the precious gay man he is does the same for Ozzie. >Because it’s true, Viv only reveals the truth about lessers. Lessers are terrible people, Viv is female and I do not blame her for despising her own gender.
She should transition to the better sex. A few hormones, a few laxatives and she'll be a pungent braphound after our own hearts.
At least you understand how fucking retarded it all is.
Oh he will, I've already seduced him to the allure of my anal musk.
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Isn't it funny how much shit Cinemaphile spews on a daily basis? You should come over and let me spew my shit instead. Few understand Stolas the way we do.
Make him leave? He won't even talk to me anymore. We agree on so many things, but I suppose I shat the bed like always. Now I have to lie in it.
She looked pretty flat with the shirt on, but her boobas are suddenly big after she flashes them. Must be siren magic.
Also are those nipples in a youtube video?
Nah I think she has X's on them like the girl in the audience.
Viv needs to make subscriber only uncensored videos of HB, god dammit. I want some demon tits and I want to hear Mammon say cunt.
Also, she's flat with her shirt on to make animation of her easier.
The idea seems to be that Beezlebub has self-image issues, so in all honesty she probably doesn't naturally look like a half-hellhound/bee girl. She's slumming it with literally the bottom of Hell's food chain, wants everyone to super like her, and has an entire thing about Binging and Purging as her Gluttony gimmick and so on and Viv is seemingly really big on talking about like, social status shit in relationships, so I'm pretty sure the idea is that Beezlebub is supposed to come off like she's insecure as fuck.
Where the fuck are you getting all this from? You’re literally making shit up to explain away these atrocious designs. Does Vivz have a gun to your head? Jfc
you realize when you say shit like "I DON'T GET IT" for shit like this you only make yourself look like a dumbass right
1 month ago
Anonymous
You sound mad, maybe you should learn to articulate your points better.
1 month ago
Anonymous
please understand anon, autists get VERY upset if you question or challenge their headcanons
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah i noticed a lot of reddit-tier “well achtually vivziepop’s writing and designs are really nuanced because of this horseshit interpretation I cobbled together”
1 month ago
Anonymous
it happens a lot in these threads and I just don't get it, probably people who invested actual money into these shows and are desperately trying to convince themselves they didn't help fund complete garbage like another anon in this thread mentioned
1 month ago
Anonymous
Its really funny watching homosexuals respond to someone else thinking their talking to me, mainly because retards like you being too stupid to realize you're not only dealing with one anon kind of proves my point about you being a retard.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're still not articulating your points very well.
1 month ago
Anonymous
No, your points are completely inane and based on nothing that’s shown within the show. Your pulling these interpretations out of your ass
>Literally an animal that binges and purges >Lord of an entire circle, throws a party for the hell equivalent of gutter trash >is hyperfocused on trying to make sure said party is great and is lowkey bothered as fuck when someone isn't having a good time with it or disrupts it >viv literally had done "Oh but I need to be good enough! uwu!" and "But our social standing is soo faaar apart! Oh No what does that mean?!?" plots for literally every other member of Hell's nobility we've seen other than like, Stella by the time Beezlebub's episode aired.
I mean i guess dogs are also often associated with gluttony as well so like maybe it could be a coincidence but like, there's a difference between thinking a show is legit bad and being a mouthbreather because somehow Vivzie was able to write above your head.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Surprised that there's no fan art of the twins?
Why does Vivze suck at writing?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Beelzebub being a fox/dog/hellhound -thing because it sells merchandise. People wanted a new furry dog waifu to fuck and coom over. Not because it makes sense. Plus Vivzie wouldn't want to make the bee motif TOO strong and Flies would be "way too gross" despite that often being the insect most associated with that demon.
Ke$sha had to have a cutesy wutesy merchandiseable fursona to shill to the masses. They knew people would draw shittons of porn too, especially with her most popular other furry OC, Loona.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sure Vivzie.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The cope is unreal, you should definitely consider suicide, even vivziepop’s ardent fans dont defend keshadog.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>anon is incapable of believing that a schizo deviant art furfag obsessed with le symbolism, muh feelings, and power dynamic homosexualry would make another character entirely about that 1st year psych student bullshit, despite most people realizing that the bitch in question literally already did it twice.
Two dumb things here not a single joke aren't clowns suppose to at least try and be funny, second problem two people entered as one for a solo completion?
This episode was actually really really good. Especially considering it's based on love drama BS. Like the themes where great and well executed and mixed well with each other and the emotional journey of all the characters made a lot of sense. There was legit tension and drama. That speech at the end ph my god. And the fact he was willing to sacrifice his reputation like that for his love. It did warm my hart and I usually hate love drama BS. Sooooo good!
>Fizz announces he quits >Mammon gets mad instead of just immediately pivoting his plans to sell all Fizz merch for triple the price because he still owns the image/merchandizing rits and can now sell them as "limited edition" / last run stuff.
What kind of embodiment of Greed is this guy? Improvise and adapt.
one written by people either too stupid to realise he could just do that, or intent on having it be a complete victory for the sad gay boys, quite likely both
Interesting that there wasn't an anti-pimping message apart of it. The whole point of decriminalizing prostitution is to give someone rights to their own body. Fizz could quit and does it for his own self worth instead of having a manager control him.
ALSO just realizing that this was written for KESHA again, because of her shitty ex controller her image.
Why does viv like her so fucking much? Her music sucks with and without her shitty ex manager.
I liked it, despite it not being about imps killing humans, it still is about a boss.
Mammon was likeable in a "I like to hate" way, especially when he flat out said woman are funny. Usually people don't write that for fear of the twitter mob attacking them because they can't separate the art from the artist. I also liked that Mammon was willing to put up with Fizz's shit because the fans liked it and he would have gotten rich off the ridicule.
The clown bitches proved Mammon right by not being funny at all and instead used their sex appeal to try to win. Good song though.
I like ozzerolli but that duet they did was making my ears bleed and I had to skip ahead about half way through.
Overall, good episode but I want to go back to killing humans for money.
Should tell the whole fandom that. There's only two people >people who don't watch the show and only jerk off to the porn >people with immensely shitty taste
Vivzie really is going the route of -- the more musical numbers, the more famous the VA's, the more overdesigned characters = will ackshually make my show NOT dogshit.
At this point she must be sucking so many dicks to get all these guys to do these voice-performances for her garbage show. Or seriously overpaying them.
I'm just waiting in 2-3 years time the "Downfall of VivziePop" or "How Viviziepop COMPLETELY Ruined her Career" video documentary.
It’s repulsive, but in a way, I’m envious that she can get this much star power for her shitty fanfic-made shows.
>dragged into this,
a paycheck is a paycheck anon
It's sort of like Carl being in Steven Universe. Viv likes them and wants them in her show like it's a badge of honor.
That happened? What was the in-universe reason he was there?
He was kind of conservative so he called the all the gems hippies and illegals since no one really explained the whole space thing
Also angry at Greg since he never mentioned Steven or lending out the family barn or the changes the gems had done to it
1 month ago
Anonymous
Huh, I should've check the file name some time before I download it
1 month ago
Anonymous
It's weird Steven Universe got so much more hate during it's time airing, but Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel is 1000x more cringe then SU ever was.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Steven Universe was a show for kids that was written for adults, while Helluva Boss is just the oppostie. As bad as Steven Universe was, you could tell the writers were capable of touching on deep topics in a way that wasn't extremely condescending or hamfisted.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>ugh my animated picture show needs to be deep and compelling.
Have a shower, go touch grass holy shit. You're how old and this is the thing you have a problem with?
1 month ago
Anonymous
I will not touch grass because it's fucking cold outside. You go out there and freeze, and I will be nice and comfy complaining about cartoons.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Nah, just make the writing good instead of hot garbage.
Vivzie is the retard that keeps inserting "le deep melodramatic moments". If she's gonna do it at least actually try to NOT make it horseshit.
It's embarrassing as hell that cartoons for toddlers have more emotional depth than this "ADULT" "MATURE" moving picture show. It's also embarrassing how this dark-edgy-comedy turned into a telenova for tumblr tweens.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Steven Universe was more mature than Helluva Boss was and it was meant for kids. That's pretty fucking sad.
Don't forget getting VA cameos from other popular content creators. Just wait for Kevin and Luke from Glitch Productions/SMG4 to give one or two voicelines in Helluva Boss.
It's plausible. I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to get Donald Trump to voice Satan at this voice just for shits and giggles.
Honestly so much of the VA cast is just other characters or shittier watered down versions.
Blitzo = Bad Roger from American Dad impression
Moxxie = Invader Zim but says fuck and less crazy
Fizzarolli = Beetlejuice but what if soft gay boy
Mammon = Rick from Bushland Adventures (even does the BLOODY LEGEND line)
Beezlebub = Literally just Kesha
Striker = Its just Norman Reedus acting like an edgelord and now its just someone impersonating Norman Reedus as an edgelord
Paimon = Jafar but what if he was a neglectful father
Im sure there is more but I can't be arsed to look it up. Yes, I do realize these are basically the same VA's that did those characters but they aren't even trying to do a different version. Vivzie just literally wants them doing another character's voice for her OCs.
>dragged into this,
a paycheck is a paycheck anon
It's sort of like Carl being in Steven Universe. Viv likes them and wants them in her show like it's a badge of honor.
I never hated them, I'm a nerdy guy myself. Honestly, I kinda love 'em. One with many cringe stories that make me look like these guys.
>They don't even exist anymore.
It makes me kinda sad, honestly. Were they actually bullied into not existing? There are so many worse subcultures that should have been ruined. I liked lampoooning fedora guys, but I was careful to not be direct or vicious about it.
I doubt Mammon and the other sins can be killed by angel weapons at this point. Considering they were confirmed to be immortal this episode, they probably don’t die as long as their respective sin continues to be performed on Earth
Man Asmodeus' relationship with Fizz is going to get really awkward as Fizz is probably going to live to be 60, tops considering the physical trauma he's endured while Asmodeus is going to stay exactly the same for another 100,000,000 years
>Mammon: Don't call it exploitative, because it's not! It totally isn't!
Who the fuck is this even aimed at. They're in Hell, what are they going to do, report him to the Better Business Bureau. This show writing is so damn weird.
>Mammon: Don't call it exploitative, because it's not! It totally isn't!
Who the fuck is this even aimed at. They're in Hell, what are they going to do, report him to the Better Business Bureau. This show writing is so damn weird.
For all we know, there is one in Hell. Because it's Hell, so you are going to have assholes trying to sue for any retarded shit they can.
It's not christcucks being mad, it's that the setting doesn't make sense because of the plot going away from the initial premise. We've strayed away from where the show would make sense to be in Hell, but now it's just another romcom written by someone who only read fanfics growing up pretending like she "gets people" cause she says Bojack is her favorite show. The modern day setting wouldn't be bad, hell a fantasy setting based around modern times would suffice. At least then they could play around with magic, higher powers of demons/monster, whatever and it wouldn't leave people asking "Why are these icons of Sins not as evil as they should be?" It's just a strange mess cause it feels like she just wants to write her old indie comic again but now she's forced to deal with this setting for another 2 seasons.
Where the fuck did you get all that shit about ‘christcucks’ from someone asking why the show is set in hell? Are you normally this presumptuous and autistic in everyday conversations.
Also what is this 1995? I wager most christians don’t give a hot shit about this show
>Mammon: Women aren't funny >Female "clowns" show up >They aren't funny, they don't do a single funny thing >They're just performers/singers again like nearly every female character introduced in the show outside of IMP >Mammon: wow, these female clowns and their funny act really is making me consider my previous stance
What the fuck is he talking about? Do people in Hell just have the attention span of toddlers, or is balloon animals really consider high-brow entertainment over there?
he's assuming that the reason everyone likes them is because their entry is one big joke; women aren't allowed to compete, so the fact that they trained for this at all is hilarious to him
>Mammon slithers over to Ozzie hissing in his ear, "Careful, Ozzie. Wouldn't want your little secret getting out." >He points down to Fizz. Fizz turns his attention back up at Ozzie. Watching as he grows hotter, angrier by the second. >"What!?!", Ozzie shouts for all to hear. "That I love him??? Well I do!1!" >The crowd gasp.
Well they're still right, anon. That entire exchange reads like something I'd read in a fanfic back when I was tween.
>Blitzo: Oh what's wrong lardass? Jealous I get to hit and quit it with royalty? Need some pointers on pleasing your wife? Hmmn? >Moxxie: Can you PLEASE stop mentioning my wife you perverted fuckwad?! >Millie: Now Moxxie, calm down! Ya'll don't need to be bickerin'! >Blitzo: Shut it bitch, this is between me and you're bitchass fat husband WHO YOU PEG! >Moxxie: Oh that's it, I just can't take it anymore! Fuck you Blitz and Fuck your parents for shitting you out! >Blitzo: MY MOTHER IS DEAD, OKAY!?!?? SO SHUT YOUR GODSDAMN MOUTH YOU PISSANT! >Moxxie: *gasp* ... Sir.. I.. I didn't.. *tearing up as Millie puts her hand on his shoulder* >Blitzo: YEAH THAT'S FUCKIN RIGHT YOU DIDN'T, NOW GO!
*Stolas calls up Blitzo's phone* >Stolas: Blitzy, darling, sweetie, honeypie~ do you think you could come over to ravage my little bird ass with your thick hot red dick til I'm a sloppy mess? teehee~ >Blitzo: NOT FUCKING NOW STOLAS, FUCK! *hangs up*
*Loona glares from her phone for a moment in the background before going back* >Cue Blitzo singing about not needin' nobody styled in a 2000s grunge rock ballad.
We're past the fanfic stage, this is a complete betrayal of the premise. This is no longer hell, it's just some PC dimension where everyone is red. Why is there even a deaf imp? Who is that for?
And Fizz's song unironically reads like a teenager throwing a tantrum.
>And Fizz's song unironically reads like a teenager throwing a tantrum. >He's never had a boss that he fucking hates and wants to take a shit on on the way out.
Bruh, it's true though. Why is she straight up not funny?
1 month ago
Anonymous
not only is she not funny, she's not original. The Joker version was better.
1 month ago
Anonymous
She didn't really steal a joke from Harley fucking Quinn did she??? LMAO no way I refuse to believe it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Well Harley Quinn stole it from the internet, and it comes from these boards.
The way they use it in Joker is delivered better and funnier, like the way the joke is supposed to be. Mammon's delivery is good for Vivs content, and because every other joke is unfunny garbage, so of course it's the best joke by default. Even still, it's horribly over explained and it has to remind the audience that "a woman wrote this joke, don't get mad and cancel us uwu." cause the audience are teenagers that need their hand held.
Viv roasted you all and showed you’re nothing but abusers and were only poking at your corpse with sticks, because this is outdated. Deal with it and stop posting retarded shit. We’re celebrating.
Oh he will, I've already seduced him to the allure of my anal musk.
At least you understand how fucking retarded it all is.
Isn't it funny how much shit Cinemaphile spews on a daily basis? You should come over and let me spew my shit instead. Few understand Stolas the way we do.
Im guessing they want to be praised for their half hearted portrayal of ‘anxiety’
The rabid antifan dude felt very shoehorned and unnecessary.
My God this is awful. So fucking melodramatic with Fizz having a mental breakdown and freaking out over an obsessive fan.
Remember when Blizz had a PTSD panic attack meltdown over seeing a human-world dog on the set of a retarded sitcom in S2, but was totally fine in S1E2 after his crew was responsible for setting fire to a circus themed park and a replica of his former best friend was seen crawling through the wreckage like a zombie on fire? And Blizz shot it in the face without hesitation and even made a sex joke?
If they had built it up over more than one episode with far more than one fan calling him a worthless homosexual has-been, like the evening news doing it, then he'd be justified in his anxiety.
But one homosexual of a fan? That's pretty weak to justify that level of nervous breakdown.
I really thought the episode was gonna go one of 2 ways >Mammon tells Fizz not to worry because he's gonna rig the game for him to win anyway >Afterall, women aren't funny and he can pay them less to get their likeness for the sexbots
or >Mammon tells Fizz to take a dive as he's washed up or his sales have been going down. >Then says the twins were already chosen as his replacements and the whole pagent is a sham.
I don't see WHY Mammon should really care who wins. The game is literally set up for him to take home the prize regardless of who his top clown is. It would make more sense for Fizz to be desperate for his approval and love that he doesn't really give.
>I don't see WHY Mammon should really care who wins.
He doesn't care about who win, he just need the pressure of competition on the participants so he can squeeze from them as much as he want.
Viv occasionally does legitimately seem to do a bit of more subtle character work, and it seems like we're supposed to read that if it's not actually threatening his bottom line, Mammon's kind of a cuck and doesn't really care. He runs knock off amusement parks and is too lazy to do his own routines anymore, preferring to just ride someone else's gravy train.
It's kind of like how everyone missed the "They made the Lord of Gluttony a creature that binges and purges" thing I think. Mammon is the ultimate expression of greed, he only cares that his money keeps coming in and everything else is irrelevant. Even when he realized the song was about him he didn't actually care about Fizz venting his spleen until it suddenly had a chance to damage his profits going forward, which sees him immediately square up.
Ever women in the show has had NOTHING but negative traits out the ass except for Millie and Beezlebub. Every single woman besides them is >Slutty (technically not really an issue) >Cruel >Traitorous >Petty >Liars >Thieves
Except for the Kesha stand in and Millie. Both of whom are in loving relationships with an unorthodox power dynamic.
Meanwhile, every man in the main cast is portrayed as a sweetheart or "misunderstood".
I skipped the episode with Barbie because the subplot with Millie and Moxxie was making me cringe so fucking hard. So I don't know what she was like but I'm guessing the same.
No, they love women. They just hate that they don't get their attention.
Like, the charactization of this show is classic misogny you would see in shitty pulp fiction
>Every woman is a lying whore who can't wait to backstab me >Yeah, this model I used to bang was a total bitch >But not you babe, you're devoted to me becasue I'm actually a good person and thats why we work >All these Stacies are just bitches, they don't like me and they have bad attitudes.
Clearly. If she didn't hate trans people so much she may be out as a transman or nonbinary, but maybe give it a couple of years when her relevancy wanes.
One thing I hate is that the Sins never get any respect, even from fear.
Loona gets pissy with Bee, Crimson kidnaps a Ozzie's boyfriend, and Blitzo mouths off Mammon to his face, only Crimson gets any sort of punishment from this and it's not even from Ozzie. I'm willing to overlook Fizz quitting and telling Mammon to fuck off because he's under Ozzie's protection.
Even worse you have that Hazbin leak that shows Alastor grabbing Lu's cane, so unless Lucifer gives him a much needed dose of reality right after the clip ends it will be yet another case of someone blatantly disrespecting Hell's top dogs and getting away with it scot-free.
Why should we feel that the Sins are important when they get disrespected from fucking Imps and Hellhounds, the two lowest castes according to the lore, over and over again without them retaliating?
We have no idea what Lu's personality even is. For all we know he could laugh it off since nothing save possible Lillith or Charlie can actually hurt him so he has zero reason to swing his dick around.
Granted, he's supposed to represent fucking PRIDE so unless Alastor is interjecting to get his attention by shaking his cane as you would a hand I'm gonna get a little miffed.
But I also do fucking hate how much of a Mary Sue Alastor is portrayed as. Like I get that Radio (waves, information, music, etc) is a baller domain but by definition it should be inferior to TV and then Internet.
hardly a defence but I think there IS some acknowledgement of the TV > radio domain thing. Vox seems to generally cover digital entertainment and his rivalry with Alastor at least sort of implies Vox may be one of the few overlords stronger than him
There's not a chance, he's gonna be super powerful and can crush any adversary that challenges him.
I wish that Alastor was the absolute top dog Sinner back in the day but isn't now just a "Top 5, top 3 at most" guy now with the crown now belonging to Vox. A bit like how my headcanon is that Sir Pentious WAS an Overlord back in the very early 20th century, but lost his title as newer rivals popped up (which ironically would end up saving him when Alastor showed up and killed a ton of Overlords).
yeah maybe I was being a bit optimistic there. he's probably going to at least be the strongest overlord. at the very least, I hope Viv sticks to her word about the Goetia demons and higher being stronger than him because it would fucking blow if he's like, Lucifer-adjacent in power
I doubt we'll ever get a clear explanation but the level of power one gets while going to hell is inconsistent. I would have to assume its based off the level of sin you acheived in the mortal world,
>Alastor probably was one of the first to mass produce radios >Used them to control the world like a twink Citizen Kane up until he died
The one eyed bomb bitch was just a prostitute drug addict right? Maybe she blew up a building or something
Here's my idea of things, >All Sinners mainly start off with a baseline power level, there's a bit of minor power variance but for the most part their Sins are mainly with how they look and their general theme of their abilities. >They get more powerful and have access to more supernatural abilities based off how many deals they have made, especially ones that give them ownership of someone's soul >Some Sinners like Cherri Bomb and Pentious are just really good at making explosives or have engineering knowhow, but don't really have many deals. >This is what makes Alastor so special, he shows up and is immediately the most powerful Sinner on the map, this can be explained as him making a deal with a Voodoo god when he was alive.
We have no idea what Lu's personality even is. For all we know he could laugh it off since nothing save possible Lillith or Charlie can actually hurt him so he has zero reason to swing his dick around.
Granted, he's supposed to represent fucking PRIDE so unless Alastor is interjecting to get his attention by shaking his cane as you would a hand I'm gonna get a little miffed.
But I also do fucking hate how much of a Mary Sue Alastor is portrayed as. Like I get that Radio (waves, information, music, etc) is a baller domain but by definition it should be inferior to TV and then Internet.
I just fucking remembered that in an interview/podcast maybe a year ago Viv said >Alastor is strong, but Stolas is stronger due to his rank as a Goetian Demon
With one of her other cucks arguing that Alastor should have a good chance.
Yeah.
Alastor is just a earth born sinner who has gained power in hell.
Any demon royalty should easily dispatch him. Let alone a character like Mammon or Ozzie.
That was during the early years of Helluva Boss, like back in 2020 or so. It's obviously dated now, beings Stolas is weak as shit now. Either that or he FORGOT he had powers.
Is he weak? So far the only ones who put him down are >Asmodeus, outranks him on the power scale >Stryker, a skilled killer with the right tools >Stella, who is politically powerful.
He’s a Christmas tree, the most marketable holiday. And he’s also a spider so he has a bunch of hands to take money from others. The clown thing is just to continue to the forced circus thing viv wants hell to be
I mean, is it?
"Christmas trees" are just a sanitized remnant of the festivities from Saturnalia and Yule that were cleaned up by the church. Only thing even close to "Christmas trees" in Christian literature is in Jeremiah 10, which tells you NOT to do that because they're idols. Mammon being something by worshipped by those same pagans (though granted I think the idols got mixed up, asherah would've been idolized with trees, not mammon. But trees were also a common worship item in many pagan cultures, such as the famous Thor's oak. It just werks.) actually makes the symbolism really meaningful. And of course even in modern secular materialism Christmas has become greedy as fuck, it's shifted from something so sacred it halted the largest war ever fought at that point to a massive consumption fest which mammon would no doubt love.
Who knows if the symbolism was intentional, it's probably just a happy accident of Fat Clown+Green because that's what we stereotype US federal reserve notes to look like when almost none of them are actually green anymore. If intentional though it's unironically the smartest thing in the entire series.
1 month ago
Anonymous
you’re putting way more thought into this than vivziepop has ever done in her entire life. The design isn’t that deep, vivzie pop isn’t dusting off her norse mythology books and reasearching all these tiny symbols to include in her sparkle dog show. I don’t know why fans are dying on this hill.
1 month ago
Anonymous
They can’t let it go, mammon MUST be based off a Christmas tree there’s simply NO BETTER interpretation for greed than a character that kind of sort of looks like fir tree and if you can’t extrapolate all that from vivziepop’s random ass designs than you’re a mouth breather, chud!
1 month ago
Anonymous
There is some many cool, badass, grotesque or even sexy interpretations of Mammon we could've had.. But instead, we get a fucking Christmas tree lookin ass bitch with Michael Cuask's Rick voice from Bushland Adventures.
1 month ago
Anonymous
its a shame you clean floors instead of work in the animation industry
1 month ago
Anonymous
What a weird thing to say to an anonymous person.
1 month ago
Anonymous
LOL, fucking please. Even her peers hate her, as seen by the Lackadaisy team rejecting her offer on backerkit. Pretty sure most of the indie animation scene finds her as insufferable as we do.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Anon, actors are the hardest things to get in your projects. If the industry wouldn't like you, you wouldn't get the kind of people Viz does.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Actors must like their writers/producers for a job and never for a gig/quid pro quo hollysleaze contract.
You're not even trying shillfag.
I think the anon asked specifically why he’s a clown as it has nothing to do with greed. I don’t know why people keep forcing this christmas tree bullshit as that’s not also retarded sounding.
>"Fiiz, I've known that guy since the start of Hell" >the sins are in fact the same ones from the start, meaning it's not a title that passes down like some people thought to cope with beezlebub's characterization
kek
>meaning it's not a title that passes down like some people thought to cope with beezlebub's characterization
Nah I knew that idea would be too good for Viv to use. The headcanons and fanfics for this show have always been way, waaay better than what Viv or her writers could think up.
This kind of contradicts Stolas's situation though.
inb4 viv decides the sins do get swapped out over time and that ozzie and mammon knew each other before they became sins and have yet another tragic backstory about their broken childhood friendship
This episode was dripping with metaphor. If I had to guess: >Mammon = Hollywood > Fizz trying to be perfect and impressive to Mammon = Viv cozying up to Hollywood >imp stalker = internet haters >Ozzie = the fandom always praising her >bonus point = Mammon calling fizz fat.
Don't have to explain much.
It honestly seems spot on when you watch the ep in this light. And it explains all those vague Viv tweets talking about how each year is the worst in terms of her mental health
I’m surprised how 99% of everyone here hated the episode. Mammon in my new favorite thing. Every line was funny and whoever the VA was, did a fantastic job. I also have (always had) a fetish for jesters and the fact he’s a little like The Spider from Destiney, who is also the best character, reeeeally puts the cherry on the cakes I’m just over here loving this one. Twin clowns were so cool.
The Ozzy lovey dovey shit is getting annoying. And Fizzy’s story makes no sense. he works for the sin of Greed that always profits off him -heavily at that- and yet there’s a contest every year to replace him?? I seats figured Figured Fizz was a free agent/sugar baby anyway. I thought the contest was going to be rigged and Fizz finds OUT it’s rigged and is upset that he’s not really that funny (as Blitz had said before).
Btw, where’s Moxxy? He hasn’t had any lines for the past three episodes. They run out of money?
7/10. Would have been a 10 without the sappy love gushing.
>Every line was funny and whoever the VA was, did a fantastic job
same VA as Pim from Smiling Friends apparently
Zach was even miscellaneous screaming crowd members during the episode lol
don't worry, 90% of the hate for this show is just performative pissboy hate because the show doesn't revolve around getting their money/views for once
Bro, did you even watch it? It had other things at play that all actually mixed together well. It wasn't purely self-indulgent gay drama. That's why this episode was good and those other ones were not.
>Wanted to see fun show and catchy musicals >Get ANOTHER deep cut about someones backstory and mental trauma
Why do half the fucking songs just suck. Off the top of my head the only good ones are >Versicka's Vacay in Bonetown >Robo Fizz's welcome to lulu land >Asmodeus, Fizz and Verosicka's Thrust song
I thought Mammon's half-song where he was just kind of rhythmically commenting on the pageant was neat, but I'll agree Asmodeus' song in this one fucking sucked, probably the worst in the series
All of it was shit, this was the episode that pretty much made me hate what ever this series has become and how it's a waste of time and effort. I'd find a way to destroy the servers that hosts it if i could but I'm too lazy to be that mad about it.
I feel like what we thought were interesting side characters was just a fluke because anytime someone like Striker or Fizz make another appearance they’re more and more unbearable.
because Mammon is a clown, clowning is his business, being a clown is like being a singer or something. It's a thing lots of people do. He is a money-grubbing executive trope.
Yeah but Fizz was already his main clown, what’s the point of making him go through a competition. It just seems hackneyed. You get me now uh…Richard..?
because everyone loves him, fizz is a huge celebrity idol. people come to watch his body the fuck out of some other hopefuls that never match him. They pay tons of money for that.
It isn't hackneyed.
fuck, is the reason why you all hate this show simply because you have zero media literacy and can't understand what you're watching if it isn't a primetime NBC cop drama that spoonfeeds everything to you? Is THAT why? goddamn
Because Viv likes circuses. Lucifer is a "ringmaster"/Circus leader by his choice of dress, Beelzebub is the cute snack vendor, Mammon is the Clown, Asmodeus is likely a song-writer or manager, and so on. One will likely be a beastmaster, Satan will likely be the Strong Man.
nah , aside from Lucifer and Mammon, I think you’re just trying to shove the sins into roles to explain your theory. Truth is Vivzie doesn’t have a cohesive vision and relies on her fans to fill in the gaps for her poorly planned adhd mess of a world.
Also Wtf is Bee supposed to be?
>Also Wtf is Bee supposed to be?
The snack vender.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I know you’re not being serious but it still made me chuckle
1 month ago
Anonymous
No, I'm being serious. She's like that teenage snack vendor at a circus, who's too hot for her stupid job, but enjoys it anyway because she's a dumb party girl.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Anon, stop, give up on the circus theory it’s really contrived.
Because "money" and people pay to be entertained. Mammon is basically an exploitative manager of a popular entertainment icon. He's like an Australian Harvey Weinstein, or something.
Mammon is probably one of the most random character designs in this show for the fact his motifs are all over the place, to the point I can't even tell what he's supposed to be. A jester? A tree? A frog? A spider now? PICK ONE MOTIF AND STICK WITH IT.
It's just as terrible as any of the other designs, but unlike the sparkle dog, you could actually say it would be closer to Mammon than her other shit demon characters.
>everyone wants to fuck a boy imp >2 dumb bitches think people want to fuck their roast beef when everyone has been plapping prime simulated imp bussy for 9 years
Can someone use wayback machine to check the episode views? See how many views each episode had once they'd been out for a week. It would give us a more accurate view than looking at them off-hand, as obviously episodes that are out longer will accumulate more views than ones that are newer.
Panty and Stocking, anime that came out in the 2000s and was doing HB/HH schtick before Vivzie was out of elementary school.
TL;DR its about angels assassinating demons and monsters on earth. It even has it's own shitty Gir-ripoff
you have proven yourself worthy and honest. I know you're not shitting me, I can can recongize some of that blurred porn from the thumbnails, like I know for certain 1 down 4 to the right is the Jizoku milkies picture.
I fucking kneel Loonachad
1 month ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure you don't even have the one I drew
1 month ago
Anonymous
Post it and I'll see
1 month ago
Anonymous
1 month ago
Anonymous
I wonder if you saved anything I drew
1 month ago
Anonymous
Looks familiar.
Post full image. Or link to it.
autistic semen crusted hands wrote this.
if you're gonna show your porn folders show the jar you keep your loona plushie in you fucking degenerate.
I don't put my Loona plushy in a jar like some ponyhomosexual.
I cut a hole and fuck her properly.
1 month ago
Anonymous
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/112090622
here you go
1 month ago
Anonymous
You know I saw picrel on e621 recently.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The little bit Loote I drew was pretty much immediately posted there by someone very dedicated both times
Which I appreciate because it always takes me like 7 minutes to upload something there and they're somewhat fussy, so it's appreciated
1 month ago
Anonymous
The Loote stuff is pretty out there but kino, I liked seeing you draw for it.
It really sucks hearing actors/creators I actually respect in this show like Horvitz/Cusack/Zach. Yeah a paycheck is a paycheck and I'm sure they're also doing this since they respect animation as a whole and to be friendly, but man have some standards. Like I've seen Zach mercilessly rip other works to shreds that have writing maybe only 1/432490381203921480324th as terrible as HB's.
Was Zach in this?
1 month ago
Anonymous
To be completely honest I don't get it either, I just drew it because the thread moods seemed too sour without it. I at least like the Loona part a lot
1 month ago
Anonymous
Have we ever figure out Loona's VA situation?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Fiancee died apparently. Plus Loona will only be relevant towards the end of Blitzo's arc when he half-assedly apologizes for being an insufferable dick for the past x-episodes and she calls him Daddy.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Fiancee died apparently
Fiance died a year ago. Viv has gone on record saying all the lines have been recorded for a couple years now. She also says that everything involving Loona in the show has been part of her original creative vision, unaltered. This cope doesn't work.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Nope.
Kametz' death was ruled out, Lindbeck quitting was ruled out
Most plausible guess we made was the Kesha lawsuit shit was happening early in season 2's development and at the same time, Lindbeck wanted a pay increase
S2E2 kept her voice since it was early and generally, these have been made in linear order
But since at the time funds were theoretically running low, the script was written to have as little Loona voice as possible while money was tight
Keep in mind this is entirely speculation, it's just what I personally concluded to after loads of debate on the matter in these threads
1 month ago
Anonymous
It seems like the least scandalous and most sensible explanation, which means its probably true.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Your art definitely makes these threads more bearable, thats for sure.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Well thanks
Just finished making one more doodle-type drawing, Mammon was a really fun character and the Loona thirst just doesn't seem to end
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sides = in orbit
Good work anon.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Vivziepop be looking like a Johnny Bravo character in this.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It's probably the guy who you drew it for, he gives off supreme autism vibes lol
1 month ago
Anonymous
Hey, autism that saves me work is always appreciated
there's so many damn tags on that website it's unreal
1 month ago
Anonymous
fair enough, I respect you trying to archive your art somewhere
1 month ago
Anonymous
autistic semen crusted hands wrote this.
if you're gonna show your porn folders show the jar you keep your loona plushie in you fucking degenerate.
There’s a lot of cope in this thread. I can believe there’s still people who defend vivziepop’s writing. They probably bought too much retarded furry merch and now choose to live in delusion.
>Mammon sees Fizz having a breakdown >Pulls him aside and tells him to relax >He's rigged the whole show so Fizz will win anyway >Tells hims that talent doesn't mean shit, just the money >Says he just put the twins in so he could Weinstein them and the put them to work downstream of Fizz >Says it's been going on for years with the other runner ups >Laughs and leaves >This is what breaks FIzz
Blitzo?
Though they had Loona acknowledge him and call him dad in the finale of season 1 and have never followed up on that.
Stolas isn't a bad dad. He's just bad at connecting to Octavia, but he tries, and through all his faults he does care for her.
I guess I was thinking more about their dads. Paimon is framed as distant and uncaring, Blitzo's dad is scummy, Moxxie'd dad is a prejudiced mob boss. Millie's dad is just kinda there.
Stolas. He tried to keep his shit marriage together despite hating his wife for the sake of his little girl, and genuinely tries to be a loving and supportive father.
Not at all. For Fizz to be such a doormat that he lets one guy ruin all of that love he gets from his fan is not at all relatable. There's self doubting but dude went into a full panic attack building up to this performance that I assume he was going to phone in anyway.
Why the fuck did he care so much about this show being great? That's not a decision he made at the last minute after Ozzy encouraged him. Fizz was planning for this shit evident by all his props.
So him winning or losing the final competition had no consequence. It didn't fucking matter.So what was the point of all that build up?
It's funny cuz Fizz used to be one of the more interesting characters when we barely knew anything about him and he was just a robot or some snobby celebrity. Then Viv had to dig her claws in because his voice-actor is her new special interest and ruin him.
But that seems par for the course of all the characters in this show, which has become disgustingly formulaic even in comparison to the cringy but ever so slightly better 1st season.
You can really tell Vivzie has taken over all the writing in the series or only allows writers who write like her near the scripts.
It really sucks hearing actors/creators I actually respect in this show like Horvitz/Cusack/Zach. Yeah a paycheck is a paycheck and I'm sure they're also doing this since they respect animation as a whole and to be friendly, but man have some standards. Like I've seen Zach mercilessly rip other works to shreds that have writing maybe only 1/432490381203921480324th as terrible as HB's.
I like how the fanboys are so far gone at this point that all they can say in defense of this shitshow are Twitter catchphrases like "touch grass" or that we have "no media literacy." Really lets you know who the fuck this is for.
Pick your poison >Troona: Loona out of nowhere realizes her angst is her "gender identity", everybody pretends they noticed it all along so they can get maximum brownie points of showing a troon character in-transition, complete with hellish testosterone vials, top surgery, and forearm to phallus skin grafts
>Slut: She fucks absolutely everyone and everything, the retconned Syphilis joke from the pilot is brought back in full force. And it's not sexy sex, it's gross-out making a statement about feminism and male purity bigots sex. And yes, they will explicitly make the race of the male whatever pisses of Cinemaphile the most, and she's going to have the sex in human form to really rub it in
>Lisa Simpson: She becomes nothing more but the most blatant and un-subtle mouthpiece for the retarded luxury beliefs of the writers. It's going to be preachy and awful, that slightly raspy voice you once loved will make you want to rip your hair out
you’re putting way more thought into this than vivziepop has ever done in her entire life. The design isn’t that deep, vivzie pop isn’t dusting off her norse mythology books and reasearching all these tiny symbols to include in her sparkle dog show. I don’t know why fans are dying on this hill.
Oh I absolutely am, considering other major designs are "What if Gluttony was a sparkledog bee-fox with a lava lamp tummy" "What if Stolas was literally just King Grimm from Hollow Knight, but with a beak". It's just a really, really good coincidence in Mammon's case. I wonder if they have the balls to introduce a pagan god both indisputably evil but actually still relevant, like the child-eater Saturn/Moloch/Remphan and black cube and hexagram symbolism
I love how everyone complaints about some demons not being total assholes when one of the things Cinemaphile consistently always complains about is that there's too many assholes in media.
That would be a REALLY cruel but funny meta joke
Would never happe, it'd be seen as insensitive to deaf people and they can get REALLY riled up but FUCK would it be funny
Someone draw this with Mammon in Peter's place (because he's already fat) and every other character whose been infected with PEAD in the place of all the other fat guys.
>"I'm doing this for me." >Doesn't strike out on his own, as it's said on surface text that he is the reason Mammon has such money, not the other way around. He just quits entirely to retire to Ozzie's bedchamber more often. >If Viv actually thought for two seconds, she'd realize that she essentially wrote Blitz's rival who is supposed to be a more successful mirror in differing ways as a doormat with no self actualization, his talents meaning nothing more to him as a means to an end of affection from Cash (surrogate dad) then Mammon (heroic figure) then Asmodeus (lover), with him only becoming much better off because the last one loves him.
Not excited for what little character is left of Blitz.
I have a public service announcement to make: If your show has been sucking dick for the last year, you can't keep hiding behind "Well the season isn't over yet" as a catch all shield for criticism. Something doesn't have to end to realize that it's not going well.
stop trying to build a world. your worldbuilding sucks. the more I see of it the less interested I am in it. every bit of new intel I get makes me care less and less. just go back to the melodramatic "child of divorce" plot or something
I hope christhomosexual parents get mad at it because that will make it more popular than ever before. Because people will watch it just to spite those obnoxious fucking Karens
No, the premise was a dark comedy about hired Imp assassins that go to earth to kill people for presumably other demons. It was meant to be edgy and possibly faux documentary style.
The show has currently premiered 15 episodes, only 6 of which the "protagonists" go to Earth to do something. 8 episodes focus heavily on Blitzo/Stolas relationship.
Now plot wise what is there? Murdering humans for demons, but why exactly Blitzo wants to do this is never fully explained. Him doing this seems to only be a backdrop for why he is involved with Stolas anyway (until they retconned it). Maybe the story was meant to be "The Office but in Hell" but that sort of thing was dropped entirely.
So does Blitzo want his business to be successful? No.. he seems rather disconcerted with that. Does Blitzo want to be the best assassin ever and we follow him on a journey of becoming badass? Nope, just already is.
Maybe he hates humans and wants to cause chaos in their world for some reason? Nope, the whole Dhorks thing was pointless and they just kill humans cuz.
Then, maybe the story will touch on the extermination of demons in hell by angels and the battle between heaven/hell that Hazbin Hotel did? Nope.
You would assume "found family" is the theme but they dash that away with Loona mostly hating Blitzo and Moxxie and Millie not wanting to do much with him.
Maybe the theme is romance, but Blitz clearly is using Stolas and is far too selfish to reasonably be in a romantic relationship.
Perhaps the theme is Blitzo searching for power since he encounters all the Deadly Sins and is besting them, or maybe challenging the status quo of hell by rising up. Only to either embrace his dark side or decide the people around him are what *really* matters. But this isn't really the focus either.
I should also point out, that beyond the world-building and meandering plot there are still other issues.
-The comedy really falls flat the majority of the time and is incredibly juvenile if not ripped off from other shows.
-The character arc moments seem rushed because the episodes try to pack so much in it never gives the characters or audience time to breathe
-The melodrama has no buildup because it is secondary to the "comedy" and feels like emotional whiplash
-The characters are very samey, not only in designs but tropes and character dynamics.
-The musical numbers are not very good and seem to again fall into edgy for the sake of it, but fail to use any irony in the humor. It's just literal word-vomit with not much rhyme or reason
-Most of the characters are pretty unlikable and boring, especially Blitz as the lead.
The only good things I can say is the sound design is alright, the animation can be smooth and occasionally there is good coloring for shots. Sometimes the VA's are really trying to deliver but it isn't helped by godawful scripts they are given.
Some madman added this to the TvTropes page for the latest episode's YMMV and it's hilarious. Showing it now before it gets removed;
"According to a tweet by Salem — a former crew member who spoke out after not being credited for their work on the show — Vivziepop herself was their "Mammon"."
And this was on "Realism Induced Horror", fucking lol.
I have just discovered that there are real people in this fandom that think the soap opera bullshit is better than the Demon Assassination company as a premise, and they have no issue with the 7 Deadly Sins not acting how they should. It's over. Pandering to these clowns is is rock bottom for a web series.
She talked about this ages ago. The scripts for S2 were all written before the first episode aired and everything was recorded in advance. They made a choice to give her fewer lines for budgetary reasons.
Most of the ideas and speculation are null once you realize she isn't interacting with the audience as they watch it. Since that's what it means if you write everything a head of time. The only things that can be changed now are details of animation because thats the only part that isn't done. Your thinking is conspiratorial and paranoid. Vivzi isn't in the room with you right now trying to take away your porn and make you gay.
>They made a choice to give her fewer lines for budgetary reasons
Point out where they stated that, otherwise the main assumption is she has few voice lines in S2 due to the fact her partner died at around the same time S2 was recording years ago
It's in one of the podcasts on the official channel. No I do not remember the exact video and time. It is possible Vivzi is covering for her but who knows.
I honestly thought this was one of the better season 2 episodes and I laughed at the jokes more than usual? But the musical numbers were really bad. Especially the last one. Also, mammon is easily the best sin now because he actually serves some antagonistic purpose
I'm a shipper and I like both Stolas and Fizzarolli but at this point maybe we really should step away from character drama and go back to I.M.P. hijinks or whatever, I feel like I'm watching some of the Bojack's later seasons but with worse dialogue.
>kiss my ass goodbye you cuck
>it's shit
What a shock.
Helluvaboss as a whole is an overrated shit show.
The dialogue feels like it was written by a 12 years old who discovered cussing, and the main audience of this show is insufferable homosexuals and dog fuckers.
I'd rather watch 100 wpisodes of The Nutshack than an other one of this crap
Me too, at least the intro alone gets a giggle from me. THAT’S ONE MORE GIGGLE THAN I’VE EVER GOTTEN FROM THIS TRAIN WRECK
remember, most 30 year old women that are childless will act like teenagers to cope. They may grow out of it, but Vivzie is at that difficult, insufferable age.
She’s also fat. I know we like to fatfag and joke about that in these threads, but being overweight can fuck up your mentality in ways no one can understand.
Fat, childless and 30+ must be a death sentence for women to some degree.
The main audience of the show are children, because no adult would be happy with this level of quality.
>The dialogue feels like it was written by a 12 years old who discovered cussing, and the main audience of this show is insufferable homosexuals and dog fuckers.
I'd rather watch 100 wpisodes of The Nutshack than an other one of this crap
And yet... here you are.
Because posting about it definitely equates to watching it
I literally just same to this realization watching the new episode.
It feels like it was written for 12 year olds in how it portrays it's messages, themes and characters.
Everything is portrayed in such a over the top way that there's no nuance to any of the characters or stories.
Shows like Adventure time or the power puff girls are wacky but they know when to be quiet. And have a lot more maturity than the so called adult cartoon.
>power puff girls
Which version?
It's almost like Vivzie's brain stopped growing at 12 and she has been parading around as a woman-child with loads of power, influence,deep deep pockets, and absolutely ZERO restraints.
>The Nutshack
Is that the little ol place where we can can cum together?
Well, time to go watch Bushworld Adventures again
Mammon got the Stella treatment in his debut episode.
At this point Viv tries WAY too hard in making Ozzie and Fizz all cutesy. It is way overdone now. And now also Ozzie has the issue of Beelzebub from episode 8. He can by any other character and it would not make a difference. Also the story doesn't make all that much sense since Mammon is LITERALLY Sin of Greed so why would Fizz expect him to treat him well. Not to mention that he is apparently Fizz's hero and "Never meet your heroes" story works when your hero is an actual hero and not... SIN OF GREED. It's just so dumb. I do appreciate that Mammon is actually Evil, but good lord this story makes no sense. The setting actively either doesn't mean anything at all or is a detriment to the show because the characters way too human at this point.
Exactly. I thought these were supposed to be demons. But one somehow well meaning, somehow innocent imp borne of hell can turn the literal embodiment of the deadly sin of lust into a pillar of virtue and loyalty. Fizz really is just a Viv self insert.
Problem is I barely know those characters so I don't care about them
I was so sure fizz was gonna say "mammon you fat sack of shit", don't wanna get into the consipiracy territory but I think Vivie was scared she would receive backlash if she went with that lyric
Yeah and him going on about that exploitation bit was so on the nose, does Vivie even understands what a deadly sin is? Asmodeus being a loyal supportive boyfriend is so fucking dumb, yeah dude the embodiment of lust would dedicate himself to one person
>Also the story doesn't make all that much sense since Mammon is LITERALLY Sin of Greed so why would Fizz expect him to treat him well
He doesn't, he just think he own him.
Before I watch it, I’m going to guess there will be at least 15 gay sex jokes.
There are also israelite jokes. The big H would be proud. 🙂 UwU
The Big H would throw you in the chambers along with those israelites.
Best episode yet. Cinemaphilepe will be in shambles
Eh, gotta work on your bait.
easily the best part and perfect additions to my helluva boss harem
They're so shiny
For some reason I'm craving a double fish fillet from McDonalds after watching those two.
Istg every female character has the exact same stuck up bitch personality aside from maybe Millie.
It's great I know
A wonderful episode. Fizz should be wrapped in a blanket and given a cup of hot cocoa for the abuse he goes through (along with Moxxie, Stolas, and Blitzo.) I just want to comfort them all. Also the seethe from straights and Loonatards is up high, that’s good. These people freak out when gay men are (rightfully) portrayed as victims more than the time I said Classic South Park was shit compared to the superior new episodes on /b/. Well done,Viv and a happy late birthday. You’re great at portraying trauma and abuse with heart wrenching detail.
Because it’s true, Viv only reveals the truth about lessers. Lessers are terrible people, Viv is female and I do not blame her for despising her own gender.
I'm so glad you've returned, my lovely latinx braphound.
>Fizz should be wrapped in a blanket and given a cup of hot cocoa for the abuse he goes through
Oh I'll wrap him in something alright. I can brew him a fresh batch of something brown like cocoa to drink.
>Also the seethe from straights
Straights always seethe over things don't understand. They don't understand shitplay is an ancient and natural part of male on male love. I knew you were enlightened to the pleasures of spreading your lover's lumpy diarrhea over yourself. I'm sure Fizz as the precious gay man he is does the same for Ozzie.
>Because it’s true, Viv only reveals the truth about lessers. Lessers are terrible people, Viv is female and I do not blame her for despising her own gender.
She should transition to the better sex. A few hormones, a few laxatives and she'll be a pungent braphound after our own hearts.
Get out of here you goofballs
is cool because he makes Stolasfag freak out and leave
Make him leave? He won't even talk to me anymore. We agree on so many things, but I suppose I shat the bed like always. Now I have to lie in it.
This is the new guy and y'all are laughing
They don't even look like clowns
I hate vivzie style, didn't use to but this was the last push I needed
Exactly.
They just look like evil fish twins.
>the left clown pulls out her tits at :23
Based clown sluts.
>"Wanna sell my funny, slutty body to the masses!"
They know what they are
She looked pretty flat with the shirt on, but her boobas are suddenly big after she flashes them. Must be siren magic.
Also are those nipples in a youtube video?
Nah I think she has X's on them like the girl in the audience.
Viv needs to make subscriber only uncensored videos of HB, god dammit. I want some demon tits and I want to hear Mammon say cunt.
Also, she's flat with her shirt on to make animation of her easier.
This show has their own Indigo Twins.
Huh, now there's a duo I didn't expect to see in this thread of all places.
Gyaru esque slut bitches
Hop on my cock NOW
Best to break open your wallet
>new line of robo sex dolls
In terms of business this is a great move. Now Mammon can charge twice as much for people that want to buy the entire set.
these are the same as the old line!
But these ones have new hats!
>”clowns”
>nothing clownlike about their appearance at all
its beezelbulb all over again
Beezlebub was suck a fuckup of a design.
Just make her a fucking bee instead of another same face sexy furry.
Bumblebees are fucking fuzzy and I guarntee a sexy bee would get more fanart since it'd be different.
Vivs OC is a sparkle dog.
Kinda hard to break that habit when designing new interesting characters.
The idea seems to be that Beezlebub has self-image issues, so in all honesty she probably doesn't naturally look like a half-hellhound/bee girl. She's slumming it with literally the bottom of Hell's food chain, wants everyone to super like her, and has an entire thing about Binging and Purging as her Gluttony gimmick and so on and Viv is seemingly really big on talking about like, social status shit in relationships, so I'm pretty sure the idea is that Beezlebub is supposed to come off like she's insecure as fuck.
You got me picturing Beelzebub being an avatar or meatpuppet for the real Beelzebub, a fat ugly fly.
Where the fuck are you getting all this from? You’re literally making shit up to explain away these atrocious designs. Does Vivz have a gun to your head? Jfc
you realize when you say shit like "I DON'T GET IT" for shit like this you only make yourself look like a dumbass right
You sound mad, maybe you should learn to articulate your points better.
please understand anon, autists get VERY upset if you question or challenge their headcanons
Yeah i noticed a lot of reddit-tier “well achtually vivziepop’s writing and designs are really nuanced because of this horseshit interpretation I cobbled together”
it happens a lot in these threads and I just don't get it, probably people who invested actual money into these shows and are desperately trying to convince themselves they didn't help fund complete garbage like another anon in this thread mentioned
Its really funny watching homosexuals respond to someone else thinking their talking to me, mainly because retards like you being too stupid to realize you're not only dealing with one anon kind of proves my point about you being a retard.
You're still not articulating your points very well.
No, your points are completely inane and based on nothing that’s shown within the show. Your pulling these interpretations out of your ass
>Literally an animal that binges and purges
>Lord of an entire circle, throws a party for the hell equivalent of gutter trash
>is hyperfocused on trying to make sure said party is great and is lowkey bothered as fuck when someone isn't having a good time with it or disrupts it
>viv literally had done "Oh but I need to be good enough! uwu!" and "But our social standing is soo faaar apart! Oh No what does that mean?!?" plots for literally every other member of Hell's nobility we've seen other than like, Stella by the time Beezlebub's episode aired.
I mean i guess dogs are also often associated with gluttony as well so like maybe it could be a coincidence but like, there's a difference between thinking a show is legit bad and being a mouthbreather because somehow Vivzie was able to write above your head.
Surprised that there's no fan art of the twins?
Why does Vivze suck at writing?
Beelzebub being a fox/dog/hellhound -thing because it sells merchandise. People wanted a new furry dog waifu to fuck and coom over. Not because it makes sense. Plus Vivzie wouldn't want to make the bee motif TOO strong and Flies would be "way too gross" despite that often being the insect most associated with that demon.
Ke$sha had to have a cutesy wutesy merchandiseable fursona to shill to the masses. They knew people would draw shittons of porn too, especially with her most popular other furry OC, Loona.
Sure Vivzie.
The cope is unreal, you should definitely consider suicide, even vivziepop’s ardent fans dont defend keshadog.
>anon is incapable of believing that a schizo deviant art furfag obsessed with le symbolism, muh feelings, and power dynamic homosexualry would make another character entirely about that 1st year psych student bullshit, despite most people realizing that the bitch in question literally already did it twice.
C'mon man.
Nothing about Bee made me think she was insecure.
Two dumb things here not a single joke aren't clowns suppose to at least try and be funny, second problem two people entered as one for a solo completion?
I love how they're based on more modern performers and have the stuck up ego like them.
I don't watch this show at all, and only come here to see the wolf bitch.
Is there anymore slut kino in this series? Am I missing out?
Bitch!
That nerdy imp stalker guy isn't gonna appear again is he? Just set up for some reason and we're never gonna hear from him again.
He got shot in the head with a sniper round made from angel dookey, he ain't comin back.
I liked it. Easily the best episode in the season and on par with late season 1. Funny the main cast isn't in it.
Watch the episode before you comment speed reader.
Blitzo blew his head off.
No he's dead.
Imps aren't immortal in the show.
I want a fat Fizz!
stahp
I like the Fizz plushie. Need an episode where an army of them go on a wacky murderous rampage in the human world.
I need the fat one as an actual soft squishy plush toy. I would buy it
Is the quality of that plush better than the one they had sold on Sharkrobot?
How embarrassing!
This episode was actually really really good. Especially considering it's based on love drama BS. Like the themes where great and well executed and mixed well with each other and the emotional journey of all the characters made a lot of sense. There was legit tension and drama. That speech at the end ph my god. And the fact he was willing to sacrifice his reputation like that for his love. It did warm my hart and I usually hate love drama BS. Sooooo good!
Best background joke imo
Any Glitz and Glam r34 yet?
Here's one. https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=8895438
Thanks Anon!
Not total shit.
wew
Not yet
>big succubus mommy
Hope she gets some porn.
>Fizz announces he quits
>Mammon gets mad instead of just immediately pivoting his plans to sell all Fizz merch for triple the price because he still owns the image/merchandizing rits and can now sell them as "limited edition" / last run stuff.
What kind of embodiment of Greed is this guy? Improvise and adapt.
one written by people either too stupid to realise he could just do that, or intent on having it be a complete victory for the sad gay boys, quite likely both
I think the term you’re looking for is “womenchildren”
yeah, that's the one
Interesting that there wasn't an anti-pimping message apart of it. The whole point of decriminalizing prostitution is to give someone rights to their own body. Fizz could quit and does it for his own self worth instead of having a manager control him.
ALSO just realizing that this was written for KESHA again, because of her shitty ex controller her image.
Why does viv like her so fucking much? Her music sucks with and without her shitty ex manager.
Long term profit > short term especially if you're technically immortal
Welp... guess now is as good of a time as any to post this.
You didn’t get that from the start
HOW CAN THESE MILLENNIAL WRITERS MAKE THIS EPISODE WITHOUT A POT OF GREED JOKE?!
gotta gif for
"Never liked her. Her "Die Young" video was garbage and she's always been over rated."
The audacity of calling this "mid season" when it's taken a full year to get this far.
I liked it, despite it not being about imps killing humans, it still is about a boss.
Mammon was likeable in a "I like to hate" way, especially when he flat out said woman are funny. Usually people don't write that for fear of the twitter mob attacking them because they can't separate the art from the artist. I also liked that Mammon was willing to put up with Fizz's shit because the fans liked it and he would have gotten rich off the ridicule.
The clown bitches proved Mammon right by not being funny at all and instead used their sex appeal to try to win. Good song though.
I like ozzerolli but that duet they did was making my ears bleed and I had to skip ahead about half way through.
Overall, good episode but I want to go back to killing humans for money.
Get some standards jesus christ
kewl
no
Should tell the whole fandom that. There's only two people
>people who don't watch the show and only jerk off to the porn
>people with immensely shitty taste
No u
whos the va for mammon?
It gave me maxmoefoe vibes, but maybe I am just australian racist and they all sound the same to me.
hope he hasnt got to such a low point to do it.
Michael Cusack, he's done some genuinely funny stuff so it was a surprise to see him dragged to HB's level
ah.
It’s Pim
Mammon!
I liked hearing psychicpebbles screaming every couple of minutes and Michael Cusak was great as mammon. I enjoyed it just for that honestly.
I’m kind of pissed they were dragged into this, even if this kind of thing is common. I wish Vivize would just have a Blart attack sometime soon
Vivzie really is going the route of -- the more musical numbers, the more famous the VA's, the more overdesigned characters = will ackshually make my show NOT dogshit.
At this point she must be sucking so many dicks to get all these guys to do these voice-performances for her garbage show. Or seriously overpaying them.
I'm just waiting in 2-3 years time the "Downfall of VivziePop" or "How Viviziepop COMPLETELY Ruined her Career" video documentary.
It’s repulsive, but in a way, I’m envious that she can get this much star power for her shitty fanfic-made shows.
That happened? What was the in-universe reason he was there?
It was just the VA, the character didn't look like that
Oh…that’s a damn shame.
It wasn't so bad
He was kind of conservative so he called the all the gems hippies and illegals since no one really explained the whole space thing
Also angry at Greg since he never mentioned Steven or lending out the family barn or the changes the gems had done to it
Huh, I should've check the file name some time before I download it
It's weird Steven Universe got so much more hate during it's time airing, but Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel is 1000x more cringe then SU ever was.
Steven Universe was a show for kids that was written for adults, while Helluva Boss is just the oppostie. As bad as Steven Universe was, you could tell the writers were capable of touching on deep topics in a way that wasn't extremely condescending or hamfisted.
>ugh my animated picture show needs to be deep and compelling.
Have a shower, go touch grass holy shit. You're how old and this is the thing you have a problem with?
I will not touch grass because it's fucking cold outside. You go out there and freeze, and I will be nice and comfy complaining about cartoons.
Nah, just make the writing good instead of hot garbage.
Vivzie is the retard that keeps inserting "le deep melodramatic moments". If she's gonna do it at least actually try to NOT make it horseshit.
It's embarrassing as hell that cartoons for toddlers have more emotional depth than this "ADULT" "MATURE" moving picture show. It's also embarrassing how this dark-edgy-comedy turned into a telenova for tumblr tweens.
Steven Universe was more mature than Helluva Boss was and it was meant for kids. That's pretty fucking sad.
Don't forget getting VA cameos from other popular content creators. Just wait for Kevin and Luke from Glitch Productions/SMG4 to give one or two voicelines in Helluva Boss.
It's plausible. I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to get Donald Trump to voice Satan at this voice just for shits and giggles.
Honestly so much of the VA cast is just other characters or shittier watered down versions.
Blitzo = Bad Roger from American Dad impression
Moxxie = Invader Zim but says fuck and less crazy
Fizzarolli = Beetlejuice but what if soft gay boy
Mammon = Rick from Bushland Adventures (even does the BLOODY LEGEND line)
Beezlebub = Literally just Kesha
Striker = Its just Norman Reedus acting like an edgelord and now its just someone impersonating Norman Reedus as an edgelord
Paimon = Jafar but what if he was a neglectful father
Im sure there is more but I can't be arsed to look it up. Yes, I do realize these are basically the same VA's that did those characters but they aren't even trying to do a different version. Vivzie just literally wants them doing another character's voice for her OCs.
You'd think Mammon would have had a more Trumpian sounding voice but apparently not.
>dragged into this,
a paycheck is a paycheck anon
It's sort of like Carl being in Steven Universe. Viv likes them and wants them in her show like it's a badge of honor.
That psychofan at the start was probably based of brandon rogers gay dating life. So many fags are like that
>chud imp
Any chud imp porn yet?
Fizzarolli has fallen. Billions must die
Is he played by psychiclebbles?
theres also a redditor imp lol
why does everyone hate these guys so much? They don't even exist anymore. They're all Trans women.
Because they can’t make fun of troons anon.
>why does everyone hate these guys so much?
I never hated them, I'm a nerdy guy myself. Honestly, I kinda love 'em. One with many cringe stories that make me look like these guys.
>They don't even exist anymore.
It makes me kinda sad, honestly. Were they actually bullied into not existing? There are so many worse subcultures that should have been ruined. I liked lampoooning fedora guys, but I was careful to not be direct or vicious about it.
>They're all Trans women.
Damn shame.
Jab at the people in these threads?
>Vivziepop literally depicting Cinemaphile as the basedjak
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The peak video is California FM
>Blitzo lives rent free
"Woman just ain't funny." At least she's self aware.
>tfw chud imp is literally Cinemaphile
He's /ourguy/ bros!
Parroting Cinemaphile talking points but fizz standing in for HB
What a time to be alive
Why doesn't Blitz just shoot the nagger?
Why isn't this show about its premise anymore?
Not enough room for gay drama.
Mammon?
He can only be killed by holy/angel weapons
I doubt Mammon and the other sins can be killed by angel weapons at this point. Considering they were confirmed to be immortal this episode, they probably don’t die as long as their respective sin continues to be performed on Earth
Man Asmodeus' relationship with Fizz is going to get really awkward as Fizz is probably going to live to be 60, tops considering the physical trauma he's endured while Asmodeus is going to stay exactly the same for another 100,000,000 years
Hope you don't mean Mammon..
Hes one of the deadly sins and one of the most powerful demons in hell.
No ordinary imp is gonna do anything to him.
Blitz just talked shit to his face, Mammon should have bitch slapped his sassy mouth if he’s really all that.
>Mammon: Don't call it exploitative, because it's not! It totally isn't!
Who the fuck is this even aimed at. They're in Hell, what are they going to do, report him to the Better Business Bureau. This show writing is so damn weird.
I wish I was really pretty because I would just sell my body and love the attention from it like these two
I think most people would
Real question
why even set it in hell?
Just set this in the modern day setting
Because demons are cool fantasy critters.
For all we know, there is one in Hell. Because it's Hell, so you are going to have assholes trying to sue for any retarded shit they can.
Bring back Verosika!
Why are christcucks so mad about millenials clowning on hell? What it was only cool to screech about it before it was cool?
It's not christcucks being mad, it's that the setting doesn't make sense because of the plot going away from the initial premise. We've strayed away from where the show would make sense to be in Hell, but now it's just another romcom written by someone who only read fanfics growing up pretending like she "gets people" cause she says Bojack is her favorite show. The modern day setting wouldn't be bad, hell a fantasy setting based around modern times would suffice. At least then they could play around with magic, higher powers of demons/monster, whatever and it wouldn't leave people asking "Why are these icons of Sins not as evil as they should be?" It's just a strange mess cause it feels like she just wants to write her old indie comic again but now she's forced to deal with this setting for another 2 seasons.
Where the fuck did you get all that shit about ‘christcucks’ from someone asking why the show is set in hell? Are you normally this presumptuous and autistic in everyday conversations.
Also what is this 1995? I wager most christians don’t give a hot shit about this show
>Mammon: Women aren't funny
>Female "clowns" show up
>They aren't funny, they don't do a single funny thing
>They're just performers/singers again like nearly every female character introduced in the show outside of IMP
>Mammon: wow, these female clowns and their funny act really is making me consider my previous stance
What the fuck is he talking about? Do people in Hell just have the attention span of toddlers, or is balloon animals really consider high-brow entertainment over there?
he's assuming that the reason everyone likes them is because their entry is one big joke; women aren't allowed to compete, so the fact that they trained for this at all is hilarious to him
Mammon didn't think he could make money off of female clowns because he doesn't consider them funny.
Seeing their act made him realize that tits and ass would sell just as well.
so... did they have an actual reason to hate mammon or this is legit forced drama?
i like the show
Did they fucking use AI for Blitzo's voice or something?
Either that or auto tune for some reason
Where were the hitmen? Where were the assassins? Where was the workplace comedy?
One word: Shitlas
Your next line is,
>That unsolicited opinion piece by a self-admitted schizo
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>That unsolicited opinion piece by a self-admitted schizo
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>Mammon slithers over to Ozzie hissing in his ear, "Careful, Ozzie. Wouldn't want your little secret getting out."
>He points down to Fizz. Fizz turns his attention back up at Ozzie. Watching as he grows hotter, angrier by the second.
>"What!?!", Ozzie shouts for all to hear. "That I love him??? Well I do!1!"
>The crowd gasp.
Well they're still right, anon. That entire exchange reads like something I'd read in a fanfic back when I was tween.
He wasn't disagreeing, he was predicting the guy that normally posts that line in response.
Typical Helluva Boss Episode
>Blitzo: Oh what's wrong lardass? Jealous I get to hit and quit it with royalty? Need some pointers on pleasing your wife? Hmmn?
>Moxxie: Can you PLEASE stop mentioning my wife you perverted fuckwad?!
>Millie: Now Moxxie, calm down! Ya'll don't need to be bickerin'!
>Blitzo: Shut it bitch, this is between me and you're bitchass fat husband WHO YOU PEG!
>Moxxie: Oh that's it, I just can't take it anymore! Fuck you Blitz and Fuck your parents for shitting you out!
>Blitzo: MY MOTHER IS DEAD, OKAY!?!?? SO SHUT YOUR GODSDAMN MOUTH YOU PISSANT!
>Moxxie: *gasp* ... Sir.. I.. I didn't.. *tearing up as Millie puts her hand on his shoulder*
>Blitzo: YEAH THAT'S FUCKIN RIGHT YOU DIDN'T, NOW GO!
*Stolas calls up Blitzo's phone*
>Stolas: Blitzy, darling, sweetie, honeypie~ do you think you could come over to ravage my little bird ass with your thick hot red dick til I'm a sloppy mess? teehee~
>Blitzo: NOT FUCKING NOW STOLAS, FUCK! *hangs up*
*Loona glares from her phone for a moment in the background before going back*
>Cue Blitzo singing about not needin' nobody styled in a 2000s grunge rock ballad.
We're past the fanfic stage, this is a complete betrayal of the premise. This is no longer hell, it's just some PC dimension where everyone is red. Why is there even a deaf imp? Who is that for?
And Fizz's song unironically reads like a teenager throwing a tantrum.
>And Fizz's song unironically reads like a teenager throwing a tantrum.
>He's never had a boss that he fucking hates and wants to take a shit on on the way out.
He's probably 14. He's never had a boss period.
Maybe relate it to a teacher or vice principal?
Viv admitted herself this episode that women aren't funny. She fucking confirmed it because nothing in the series is as amusing as this clip.
>thinking the villain saying something is supposed to be taken at face value as a mouthpiece of the creator
nagger, are you really that fuckin dumb?
Bruh, it's true though. Why is she straight up not funny?
not only is she not funny, she's not original. The Joker version was better.
She didn't really steal a joke from Harley fucking Quinn did she??? LMAO no way I refuse to believe it.
Well Harley Quinn stole it from the internet, and it comes from these boards.
The way they use it in Joker is delivered better and funnier, like the way the joke is supposed to be. Mammon's delivery is good for Vivs content, and because every other joke is unfunny garbage, so of course it's the best joke by default. Even still, it's horribly over explained and it has to remind the audience that "a woman wrote this joke, don't get mad and cancel us uwu." cause the audience are teenagers that need their hand held.
>you know what imma saying? i wanted family guy instead
the absolute state of this clown
The fact you think all cartoon comedies have to be family guy is indicative of the damage family guy has done to the medium as a whole.
Change your screencap pick to the chud imp
Why? Collin is spitting truth.
Holy gospel, if you will.
Chud imp is literally you
Collinbro mindbroke you.
Viv roasted you all and showed you’re nothing but abusers and were only poking at your corpse with sticks, because this is outdated. Deal with it and stop posting retarded shit. We’re celebrating.
Eat shit.
Oh he will, I've already seduced him to the allure of my anal musk.
Isn't it funny how much shit Cinemaphile spews on a daily basis? You should come over and let me spew my shit instead. Few understand Stolas the way we do.
>They're villains because....they want to win the contest
Yeah, but they were really rude about it, anon. They hurt Fizz's feewings. 🙁
Who are you quoting?
He’s making an observation with his eyeballs. Something the writers should’ve done a lot more often.
So he's quoting himself?
Are you new to Cinemaphile and don’t understand greentext or something or just acting retarded on purpose
Oh my God.
Please educate yourself on what the ">" means.
I just checked in on this side convo you 2 are having.
Original greentext
is valid
Source:Not a fucking retard
It’s weird how you’re wrong and yet acting smug.
Asshole antagonists acted antagonizing anon
This show is 99% eye candy 1% force drama. I love the early comedy but holy fuck i got not not a single laugh
>They cut out the Imp chick flashing her tits
Guess that was too hetero for them
So this wasn't enough for you?
Guess she got what she wanted.
My God this is awful. So fucking melodramatic with Fizz having a mental breakdown and freaking out over an obsessive fan.
Im guessing they want to be praised for their half hearted portrayal of ‘anxiety’
The rabid antifan dude felt very shoehorned and unnecessary.
I hated that scene so much. Good lord has Fizzariolli falling so fucking hard now. Fuck this episode, it ruined Fizzarolli for me.
Why are mental breakdowns popular right now in media?
Remember when Blizz had a PTSD panic attack meltdown over seeing a human-world dog on the set of a retarded sitcom in S2, but was totally fine in S1E2 after his crew was responsible for setting fire to a circus themed park and a replica of his former best friend was seen crawling through the wreckage like a zombie on fire? And Blizz shot it in the face without hesitation and even made a sex joke?
If they had built it up over more than one episode with far more than one fan calling him a worthless homosexual has-been, like the evening news doing it, then he'd be justified in his anxiety.
But one homosexual of a fan? That's pretty weak to justify that level of nervous breakdown.
The power of money
>Lust, Gluttony, and Pride have relationship
Think Wrath will hook up with teacher lady?
I don't think we're ever going to see Pride in HB.
I really thought the episode was gonna go one of 2 ways
>Mammon tells Fizz not to worry because he's gonna rig the game for him to win anyway
>Afterall, women aren't funny and he can pay them less to get their likeness for the sexbots
or
>Mammon tells Fizz to take a dive as he's washed up or his sales have been going down.
>Then says the twins were already chosen as his replacements and the whole pagent is a sham.
I don't see WHY Mammon should really care who wins. The game is literally set up for him to take home the prize regardless of who his top clown is. It would make more sense for Fizz to be desperate for his approval and love that he doesn't really give.
Loved hearing bushwick Rick though
>I don't see WHY Mammon should really care who wins.
He doesn't care about who win, he just need the pressure of competition on the participants so he can squeeze from them as much as he want.
Fizz quitting remove that.
I really wish HH becomes a tax write off.
Why is it okay for Blitz to shit talk one of the seven deadly sins to their face? Everyone just blew it off like there isn’t a hierarchy or something.
Viv occasionally does legitimately seem to do a bit of more subtle character work, and it seems like we're supposed to read that if it's not actually threatening his bottom line, Mammon's kind of a cuck and doesn't really care. He runs knock off amusement parks and is too lazy to do his own routines anymore, preferring to just ride someone else's gravy train.
It's kind of like how everyone missed the "They made the Lord of Gluttony a creature that binges and purges" thing I think. Mammon is the ultimate expression of greed, he only cares that his money keeps coming in and everything else is irrelevant. Even when he realized the song was about him he didn't actually care about Fizz venting his spleen until it suddenly had a chance to damage his profits going forward, which sees him immediately square up.
> Viv occasionally does legitimately seem to do a bit of more subtle character work,
Gunna have to stop you right there anon.
> censoring out the word "cunt"
This is so fucking stupid lmao
At some point, someone decided that we aren't allowed to say cunt anymore. But also, being "cunty" is seen as a positive? I don't understand.
Here, this will explain everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9Bf12Mby8
Does Viv hate women? Like seriously?
Ever women in the show has had NOTHING but negative traits out the ass except for Millie and Beezlebub. Every single woman besides them is
>Slutty (technically not really an issue)
>Cruel
>Traitorous
>Petty
>Liars
>Thieves
Except for the Kesha stand in and Millie. Both of whom are in loving relationships with an unorthodox power dynamic.
Meanwhile, every man in the main cast is portrayed as a sweetheart or "misunderstood".
She also, "apparently", has daddy issues.
I skipped the episode with Barbie because the subplot with Millie and Moxxie was making me cringe so fucking hard. So I don't know what she was like but I'm guessing the same.
Oh yeah, that’s one thing. The string of bad dads in this show
Being a sassy slutty cunt is only okay for male characters who can later be woobiefied
Don't Cinemaphile incels hate women too?
Yes. Just look at all the stuff they make up about Viv in pathetic attempts to psychoanalyze her through her humor. Like
No, they love women. They just hate that they don't get their attention.
Like, the charactization of this show is classic misogny you would see in shitty pulp fiction
>Every woman is a lying whore who can't wait to backstab me
>Yeah, this model I used to bang was a total bitch
>But not you babe, you're devoted to me becasue I'm actually a good person and thats why we work
>All these Stacies are just bitches, they don't like me and they have bad attitudes.
It's called projection.
Clearly. If she didn't hate trans people so much she may be out as a transman or nonbinary, but maybe give it a couple of years when her relevancy wanes.
>Meanwhile, every man in the main cast is portrayed as a sweetheart or "misunderstood".
That's actually REALLY fucking based.
So go watch literally any other cartoon with female leads or female main characters. There's a bunch, you pretentious fag.
>buh buh muh muh huhlubba bubba!
Cinemaphile really is full of failed men
Including you, since you wanna act like such an asshurt woman.
Seeing you have a cope-tantrum over a faghag furry show is even more embarrassing.
?
did you @ the wrong person?
Well its hell.
Technically everyone should be evil and cruel in the series.
It's not hell at all. it's just a club in LA.
Except they make it a point to show that imps and demons are just regular ass people with looser morals
Except for her wooby babies, apparently.
>no loona
>no anyone really
yeah thats a pass
fuck this gay show
>there are fat robofizzes
i have an idea...
an awful idea...
a wonderfully... awful idea...
what is it?
One thing I hate is that the Sins never get any respect, even from fear.
Loona gets pissy with Bee, Crimson kidnaps a Ozzie's boyfriend, and Blitzo mouths off Mammon to his face, only Crimson gets any sort of punishment from this and it's not even from Ozzie. I'm willing to overlook Fizz quitting and telling Mammon to fuck off because he's under Ozzie's protection.
Even worse you have that Hazbin leak that shows Alastor grabbing Lu's cane, so unless Lucifer gives him a much needed dose of reality right after the clip ends it will be yet another case of someone blatantly disrespecting Hell's top dogs and getting away with it scot-free.
Why should we feel that the Sins are important when they get disrespected from fucking Imps and Hellhounds, the two lowest castes according to the lore, over and over again without them retaliating?
We have no idea what Lu's personality even is. For all we know he could laugh it off since nothing save possible Lillith or Charlie can actually hurt him so he has zero reason to swing his dick around.
Granted, he's supposed to represent fucking PRIDE so unless Alastor is interjecting to get his attention by shaking his cane as you would a hand I'm gonna get a little miffed.
But I also do fucking hate how much of a Mary Sue Alastor is portrayed as. Like I get that Radio (waves, information, music, etc) is a baller domain but by definition it should be inferior to TV and then Internet.
>it should be inferior to TV
We already know that video killed the radio star
hardly a defence but I think there IS some acknowledgement of the TV > radio domain thing. Vox seems to generally cover digital entertainment and his rivalry with Alastor at least sort of implies Vox may be one of the few overlords stronger than him
There's not a chance, he's gonna be super powerful and can crush any adversary that challenges him.
I wish that Alastor was the absolute top dog Sinner back in the day but isn't now just a "Top 5, top 3 at most" guy now with the crown now belonging to Vox. A bit like how my headcanon is that Sir Pentious WAS an Overlord back in the very early 20th century, but lost his title as newer rivals popped up (which ironically would end up saving him when Alastor showed up and killed a ton of Overlords).
yeah maybe I was being a bit optimistic there. he's probably going to at least be the strongest overlord. at the very least, I hope Viv sticks to her word about the Goetia demons and higher being stronger than him because it would fucking blow if he's like, Lucifer-adjacent in power
I doubt we'll ever get a clear explanation but the level of power one gets while going to hell is inconsistent. I would have to assume its based off the level of sin you acheived in the mortal world,
>Alastor probably was one of the first to mass produce radios
>Used them to control the world like a twink Citizen Kane up until he died
The one eyed bomb bitch was just a prostitute drug addict right? Maybe she blew up a building or something
or
It's all fucking bullshit
Here's my idea of things,
>All Sinners mainly start off with a baseline power level, there's a bit of minor power variance but for the most part their Sins are mainly with how they look and their general theme of their abilities.
>They get more powerful and have access to more supernatural abilities based off how many deals they have made, especially ones that give them ownership of someone's soul
>Some Sinners like Cherri Bomb and Pentious are just really good at making explosives or have engineering knowhow, but don't really have many deals.
>This is what makes Alastor so special, he shows up and is immediately the most powerful Sinner on the map, this can be explained as him making a deal with a Voodoo god when he was alive.
I just fucking remembered that in an interview/podcast maybe a year ago Viv said
>Alastor is strong, but Stolas is stronger due to his rank as a Goetian Demon
With one of her other cucks arguing that Alastor should have a good chance.
since this presumably goes for all Goetian demons, this means canonically the fat assed background owl girl could kick the shit out of Alastor
Not if he gives her some crackers and water
Yeah.
Alastor is just a earth born sinner who has gained power in hell.
Any demon royalty should easily dispatch him. Let alone a character like Mammon or Ozzie.
That was during the early years of Helluva Boss, like back in 2020 or so. It's obviously dated now, beings Stolas is weak as shit now. Either that or he FORGOT he had powers.
Is he weak? So far the only ones who put him down are
>Asmodeus, outranks him on the power scale
>Stryker, a skilled killer with the right tools
>Stella, who is politically powerful.
This mammon design is weird…when i think of greed…I don’t really think….”clown” or “jester”
He's a christmas tree and xmas is the greediest time of the year
I’m not stupid, he’s clearly a clown or jester.
He's clearly a christmas tree you slow witted dullard
Bro is trying to gaslight me like I can’t see a literal jester hat and diamonds.
Uh huh sure anon. I’m sure that was totally vivziepop’s intention, she’s known for her cohesive and thought-out designs.
It’s because vivziepop takes something she likes based on whatever media she’s reccently consumed and tries to cram it into her design somehow.
He’s a Christmas tree, the most marketable holiday. And he’s also a spider so he has a bunch of hands to take money from others. The clown thing is just to continue to the forced circus thing viv wants hell to be
Is this Christmas tree something she actually intended or a fancope? I feel like it’s a reach.
it's fan cope, he looks like a Christmas tree because Viv is shit with color schemes, nothing more
I like how self assured they are as if a Christmas tree is such a clever design choice and not completely ridiculous.
I mean, is it?
"Christmas trees" are just a sanitized remnant of the festivities from Saturnalia and Yule that were cleaned up by the church. Only thing even close to "Christmas trees" in Christian literature is in Jeremiah 10, which tells you NOT to do that because they're idols. Mammon being something by worshipped by those same pagans (though granted I think the idols got mixed up, asherah would've been idolized with trees, not mammon. But trees were also a common worship item in many pagan cultures, such as the famous Thor's oak. It just werks.) actually makes the symbolism really meaningful. And of course even in modern secular materialism Christmas has become greedy as fuck, it's shifted from something so sacred it halted the largest war ever fought at that point to a massive consumption fest which mammon would no doubt love.
Who knows if the symbolism was intentional, it's probably just a happy accident of Fat Clown+Green because that's what we stereotype US federal reserve notes to look like when almost none of them are actually green anymore. If intentional though it's unironically the smartest thing in the entire series.
you’re putting way more thought into this than vivziepop has ever done in her entire life. The design isn’t that deep, vivzie pop isn’t dusting off her norse mythology books and reasearching all these tiny symbols to include in her sparkle dog show. I don’t know why fans are dying on this hill.
They can’t let it go, mammon MUST be based off a Christmas tree there’s simply NO BETTER interpretation for greed than a character that kind of sort of looks like fir tree and if you can’t extrapolate all that from vivziepop’s random ass designs than you’re a mouth breather, chud!
There is some many cool, badass, grotesque or even sexy interpretations of Mammon we could've had.. But instead, we get a fucking Christmas tree lookin ass bitch with Michael Cuask's Rick voice from Bushland Adventures.
its a shame you clean floors instead of work in the animation industry
What a weird thing to say to an anonymous person.
LOL, fucking please. Even her peers hate her, as seen by the Lackadaisy team rejecting her offer on backerkit. Pretty sure most of the indie animation scene finds her as insufferable as we do.
Anon, actors are the hardest things to get in your projects. If the industry wouldn't like you, you wouldn't get the kind of people Viz does.
>Actors must like their writers/producers for a job and never for a gig/quid pro quo hollysleaze contract.
You're not even trying shillfag.
I think the anon asked specifically why he’s a clown as it has nothing to do with greed. I don’t know why people keep forcing this christmas tree bullshit as that’s not also retarded sounding.
>"Fiiz, I've known that guy since the start of Hell"
>the sins are in fact the same ones from the start, meaning it's not a title that passes down like some people thought to cope with beezlebub's characterization
kek
>meaning it's not a title that passes down like some people thought to cope with beezlebub's characterization
Nah I knew that idea would be too good for Viv to use. The headcanons and fanfics for this show have always been way, waaay better than what Viv or her writers could think up.
To play Devil's advocate. It could also just mean that Lust and Greed have remained consistent since the start and others come and go.
It would be a fucking waste to not have a current sin be an usurper.
It would be a waste. Kind of like this show since the circus retconned Stolas into a 35 year old.
Really the only thing I like about the show is the setting. Everthing else is mediocre.
And the only thing I like about the setting is the demon royalty and angle dynamic.
That's even worse then.
This kind of contradicts Stolas's situation though.
inb4 viv decides the sins do get swapped out over time and that ozzie and mammon knew each other before they became sins and have yet another tragic backstory about their broken childhood friendship
Haven't been keeping up, what's wrong with Beezlebub's character?
have you watched that episode, anon? or like, looked at her?
I haven't watched an episode since the Ozzy one.
oh, wow you have no idea how bad it's gotten since then lmao
This show is gay
true that
This episode was dripping with metaphor. If I had to guess:
>Mammon = Hollywood
> Fizz trying to be perfect and impressive to Mammon = Viv cozying up to Hollywood
>imp stalker = internet haters
>Ozzie = the fandom always praising her
>bonus point = Mammon calling fizz fat.
Don't have to explain much.
It honestly seems spot on when you watch the ep in this light. And it explains all those vague Viv tweets talking about how each year is the worst in terms of her mental health
I’m surprised how 99% of everyone here hated the episode. Mammon in my new favorite thing. Every line was funny and whoever the VA was, did a fantastic job. I also have (always had) a fetish for jesters and the fact he’s a little like The Spider from Destiney, who is also the best character, reeeeally puts the cherry on the cakes I’m just over here loving this one. Twin clowns were so cool.
The Ozzy lovey dovey shit is getting annoying. And Fizzy’s story makes no sense. he works for the sin of Greed that always profits off him -heavily at that- and yet there’s a contest every year to replace him?? I seats figured Figured Fizz was a free agent/sugar baby anyway. I thought the contest was going to be rigged and Fizz finds OUT it’s rigged and is upset that he’s not really that funny (as Blitz had said before).
Btw, where’s Moxxy? He hasn’t had any lines for the past three episodes. They run out of money?
7/10. Would have been a 10 without the sappy love gushing.
>Every line was funny and whoever the VA was, did a fantastic job
same VA as Pim from Smiling Friends apparently
Zach was even miscellaneous screaming crowd members during the episode lol
So if mammon wasn’t in the story it would still be a 7 out of 10 for you?
What? Pfft. No. He’s the 7 points. Without him it would have just been a remake of the previous episode with better songs (imho) Ugh.
Nah that’s cool, just wanted clarification.
I didn't think anyone actually enjoyed this trash, good lord thats sad.
don't worry, 90% of the hate for this show is just performative pissboy hate because the show doesn't revolve around getting their money/views for once
Yeah, sure anon, be sure to clutch your overpriced loona plush while you try to sleep at night
Do people hate this episode? It's like one of the only good gay drama episodes.
it was the same gay drama but schmaltzy. Just because it doesn’t involve Blitz and Stolas doesn’t mean the writing suddenly improves.
Bro, did you even watch it? It had other things at play that all actually mixed together well. It wasn't purely self-indulgent gay drama. That's why this episode was good and those other ones were not.
No anon you’re simply wrong, I’m sorry. You were bamboozled.
It’s amusing how shit and fuck are becoming less and less powerful curse words and it’s mostly slurs that get beeped
>Wanted to see fun show and catchy musicals
>Get ANOTHER deep cut about someones backstory and mental trauma
Why do half the fucking songs just suck. Off the top of my head the only good ones are
>Versicka's Vacay in Bonetown
>Robo Fizz's welcome to lulu land
>Asmodeus, Fizz and Verosicka's Thrust song
I guess drug trip song was pretty good.
I thought Mammon's half-song where he was just kind of rhythmically commenting on the pageant was neat, but I'll agree Asmodeus' song in this one fucking sucked, probably the worst in the series
Agreed. the competition song was the only good one.
Asmodeus imo has the best song of the series, in season one.
Clearly his voice actor can sing. And they gave him this trash ass song in season 2?!...
%3D
What a waste of dudes talent.
So you're complaining the show has a plot it needs to follow and not enough musical numbers? Bitch the whole EPISODE was musical numbers!
I think its less that and more that the plot is shit, anon.
All of it was shit, this was the episode that pretty much made me hate what ever this series has become and how it's a waste of time and effort. I'd find a way to destroy the servers that hosts it if i could but I'm too lazy to be that mad about it.
I don't want a fucking Fizz episode again. We got his backstory already, him being a sadboy for Mammon is just a waste of time
Why do we have so much Fizz? The main cast feel like guest stars in their own show.
Because Fizz is vivziepop’s current hyper fixation
Is Viv autistic?
No Loona, no view. Simple as.
Anybody happen to make caps of Mammon shilling Fizz? I want to draw something with that scene
I feel like what we thought were interesting side characters was just a fluke because anytime someone like Striker or Fizz make another appearance they’re more and more unbearable.
When will A24 realize they made a mistake?
When you homosexuals stop watching it and making them money.
>making them money
>Youtube animation
It is LITERALLY free to viewers. Their money is coming in though rejects who actually buy their fucking merch.
Same shit as critical role. It's the retarded fanbase that is preventing shit from getting better.
It's called ads, dipshit.
Youtube still runs them for the 90% of its audience too stupid to install an adblocker.
Why was there a clown contest again?
Because…
it was a giant cash cow, people pay exorbitant amounts of money to attend it and that's his entire domian: capitalism. pay attention
Uh okay but why a clown contest? You just said a bunch of nothing.
because Mammon is a clown, clowning is his business, being a clown is like being a singer or something. It's a thing lots of people do. He is a money-grubbing executive trope.
keep up, greg, this show is not rocket science
Yeah but Fizz was already his main clown, what’s the point of making him go through a competition. It just seems hackneyed. You get me now uh…Richard..?
because everyone loves him, fizz is a huge celebrity idol. people come to watch his body the fuck out of some other hopefuls that never match him. They pay tons of money for that.
It isn't hackneyed.
fuck, is the reason why you all hate this show simply because you have zero media literacy and can't understand what you're watching if it isn't a primetime NBC cop drama that spoonfeeds everything to you? Is THAT why? goddamn
Because it gives him an excuse to shill his well-loved product and make bank?
Because Viv likes circuses. Lucifer is a "ringmaster"/Circus leader by his choice of dress, Beelzebub is the cute snack vendor, Mammon is the Clown, Asmodeus is likely a song-writer or manager, and so on. One will likely be a beastmaster, Satan will likely be the Strong Man.
nah , aside from Lucifer and Mammon, I think you’re just trying to shove the sins into roles to explain your theory. Truth is Vivzie doesn’t have a cohesive vision and relies on her fans to fill in the gaps for her poorly planned adhd mess of a world.
Also Wtf is Bee supposed to be?
>Also Wtf is Bee supposed to be?
The snack vender.
I know you’re not being serious but it still made me chuckle
No, I'm being serious. She's like that teenage snack vendor at a circus, who's too hot for her stupid job, but enjoys it anyway because she's a dumb party girl.
Anon, stop, give up on the circus theory it’s really contrived.
The clown contest is never ending, anon. It's eternal and we're all contestants.
Because "money" and people pay to be entertained. Mammon is basically an exploitative manager of a popular entertainment icon. He's like an Australian Harvey Weinstein, or something.
not everything can be a Tortanic
I'm just glad they're finally courting the fat fuck chubby chaser side of tumblr since the coke-rail-thin look is starting to go out of style
I'll admit that noone's openly complaining about his character design... unlike some other bitch.
He's a rip off of the spider dude from monster co.
The fuck was his name again? Oceanrope?
Instead of best frightener it's best jokerman
Waternoose
as a destiny 2 player, I do love a good spider-themed fat capitalist bad guy
Mammon is probably one of the most random character designs in this show for the fact his motifs are all over the place, to the point I can't even tell what he's supposed to be. A jester? A tree? A frog? A spider now? PICK ONE MOTIF AND STICK WITH IT.
It's just as terrible as any of the other designs, but unlike the sparkle dog, you could actually say it would be closer to Mammon than her other shit demon characters.
Deltarune. It's literally fucking Deltarune chapter 1
>everyone wants to fuck a boy imp
>2 dumb bitches think people want to fuck their roast beef when everyone has been plapping prime simulated imp bussy for 9 years
Sorry you were molested.
>Only [fewer number of views compared to the previous episode] so far after [number of hours since release]
OH NONONONONO VIVZIKEKS, OUR RESPONSE????
Can someone use wayback machine to check the episode views? See how many views each episode had once they'd been out for a week. It would give us a more accurate view than looking at them off-hand, as obviously episodes that are out longer will accumulate more views than ones that are newer.
Everyone could be watching the superior edgy comedy about angels and demons with a unique artstyle.
Indeed.
Vivzie Hell really could use someone enforcing the RURUs down there.
Who and what show?
Nope. Not spoonfeeding. Learn to reverse image search or you don't deserve to know.
>reverse image search
Implying that even works more than 1/10th of the time.
It works 99% of the time as long as you're not a fucking idiot.
I press x for doubt.
None of these were hot.
Kys
Panty and Stocking, anime that came out in the 2000s and was doing HB/HH schtick before Vivzie was out of elementary school.
TL;DR its about angels assassinating demons and monsters on earth. It even has it's own shitty Gir-ripoff
Ah damn it you cunt, you got me
>only 500Gb
What do you think I am, a fucking casual?
>3.4tb
GOOD LORD, MAN
You just renamed you main drive, poser
Nope
Impressive, but still not convinced. There's no Loona images.
Here's just one folder.
you have proven yourself worthy and honest. I know you're not shitting me, I can can recongize some of that blurred porn from the thumbnails, like I know for certain 1 down 4 to the right is the Jizoku milkies picture.
I fucking kneel Loonachad
Pretty sure you don't even have the one I drew
Post it and I'll see
I wonder if you saved anything I drew
Looks familiar.
Post full image. Or link to it.
I don't put my Loona plushy in a jar like some ponyhomosexual.
I cut a hole and fuck her properly.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/112090622
here you go
You know I saw picrel on e621 recently.
The little bit Loote I drew was pretty much immediately posted there by someone very dedicated both times
Which I appreciate because it always takes me like 7 minutes to upload something there and they're somewhat fussy, so it's appreciated
The Loote stuff is pretty out there but kino, I liked seeing you draw for it.
Was Zach in this?
To be completely honest I don't get it either, I just drew it because the thread moods seemed too sour without it. I at least like the Loona part a lot
Have we ever figure out Loona's VA situation?
Fiancee died apparently. Plus Loona will only be relevant towards the end of Blitzo's arc when he half-assedly apologizes for being an insufferable dick for the past x-episodes and she calls him Daddy.
>Fiancee died apparently
Fiance died a year ago. Viv has gone on record saying all the lines have been recorded for a couple years now. She also says that everything involving Loona in the show has been part of her original creative vision, unaltered. This cope doesn't work.
Nope.
Kametz' death was ruled out, Lindbeck quitting was ruled out
Most plausible guess we made was the Kesha lawsuit shit was happening early in season 2's development and at the same time, Lindbeck wanted a pay increase
S2E2 kept her voice since it was early and generally, these have been made in linear order
But since at the time funds were theoretically running low, the script was written to have as little Loona voice as possible while money was tight
Keep in mind this is entirely speculation, it's just what I personally concluded to after loads of debate on the matter in these threads
It seems like the least scandalous and most sensible explanation, which means its probably true.
Your art definitely makes these threads more bearable, thats for sure.
Well thanks
Just finished making one more doodle-type drawing, Mammon was a really fun character and the Loona thirst just doesn't seem to end
Sides = in orbit
Good work anon.
Vivziepop be looking like a Johnny Bravo character in this.
It's probably the guy who you drew it for, he gives off supreme autism vibes lol
Hey, autism that saves me work is always appreciated
there's so many damn tags on that website it's unreal
fair enough, I respect you trying to archive your art somewhere
autistic semen crusted hands wrote this.
if you're gonna show your porn folders show the jar you keep your loona plushie in you fucking degenerate.
Nobody cares that much about Ringo right?
There’s a lot of cope in this thread. I can believe there’s still people who defend vivziepop’s writing. They probably bought too much retarded furry merch and now choose to live in delusion.
>Mammon sees Fizz having a breakdown
>Pulls him aside and tells him to relax
>He's rigged the whole show so Fizz will win anyway
>Tells hims that talent doesn't mean shit, just the money
>Says he just put the twins in so he could Weinstein them and the put them to work downstream of Fizz
>Says it's been going on for years with the other runner ups
>Laughs and leaves
>This is what breaks FIzz
we can't do that because it would involve the demons from hell doing bad things and we all know the only bad person in the universe is moxxie's dad.
This post made me irrationally angry for like 10 seconds
Is there a single 'good' dad in the series?
Blitzo?
Though they had Loona acknowledge him and call him dad in the finale of season 1 and have never followed up on that.
Stolas isn't a bad dad. He's just bad at connecting to Octavia, but he tries, and through all his faults he does care for her.
I guess I was thinking more about their dads. Paimon is framed as distant and uncaring, Blitzo's dad is scummy, Moxxie'd dad is a prejudiced mob boss. Millie's dad is just kinda there.
Millie's dad was portrayed as good guy who had been a loving caring father, but he was so tertiary to the plot that we never got to see any of him.
Stolas. He tried to keep his shit marriage together despite hating his wife for the sake of his little girl, and genuinely tries to be a loving and supportive father.
Why are the background demons have more interesting design then the main cast?
They are OCs of the animation team or fans that pay a stupid amount of money to get a cameo.
Basically, they are not Vivzie.
GET IN THE FUCKING CAH FIZZY
FIZZY! IVE DONE MAGIC TO ME GUN! NOW IT'S JUST A REGULAR GUN
>ozzie getting aroused but then hides erection with curtain.
Sir, have you forgotten what you are the demon of?
I know right? I was like "Ozzy rip out your huge dick in front of all of those fans and children."
Yeah, Viv seems to forget that these fuckers are fucking demons and being obscene and horrible is exactly what they should be doing.
I know rite? It's almost like they are demons in hell and hell is meant to be an awful place with no moralities and anything goes.
He saves his more hardcore perversion for the innocent and holy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AOw_UfP1MA
>Lust
>isn't an ugly bastard
Did you guys feel bad for Fizzarolli?
No.
Not at all. For Fizz to be such a doormat that he lets one guy ruin all of that love he gets from his fan is not at all relatable. There's self doubting but dude went into a full panic attack building up to this performance that I assume he was going to phone in anyway.
Why the fuck did he care so much about this show being great? That's not a decision he made at the last minute after Ozzy encouraged him. Fizz was planning for this shit evident by all his props.
So him winning or losing the final competition had no consequence. It didn't fucking matter.So what was the point of all that build up?
It's funny cuz Fizz used to be one of the more interesting characters when we barely knew anything about him and he was just a robot or some snobby celebrity. Then Viv had to dig her claws in because his voice-actor is her new special interest and ruin him.
But that seems par for the course of all the characters in this show, which has become disgustingly formulaic even in comparison to the cringy but ever so slightly better 1st season.
You can really tell Vivzie has taken over all the writing in the series or only allows writers who write like her near the scripts.
>character is supposed to be a huge fat guy
>has the exact same face that's 90% toothy smile like every other twink in the series
Bravo Viv
So, is the new episode any good?
Do you like the gay clown or his problems?
If yes, then no.
If no, then really fucking no.
Actually not too bad
But as always mute anything musical for your sanity, subtitles are a good warning
A pretty good and fun episode. Not great, but good. Had a two good songs in it, the other two dogshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stgCPJap7dY
Do you like angeldust’s dynamic with Vox? It’s literally the same shit.
*Val
The other sin designs are going to be a hot mess of random themes, i’m just not looking forward to seeing them anymore.
It really sucks hearing actors/creators I actually respect in this show like Horvitz/Cusack/Zach. Yeah a paycheck is a paycheck and I'm sure they're also doing this since they respect animation as a whole and to be friendly, but man have some standards. Like I've seen Zach mercilessly rip other works to shreds that have writing maybe only 1/432490381203921480324th as terrible as HB's.
True, but Vivzie is either giving the best head in LA or spending all her inheritance money begging these people to make cameos.
>fucketyfuckcuntcuntshittyshittittydickwhorevaginaass
I care even less about Fizzaroli's relationship shit than I do about Blitzo and Stolas'
I like how the fanboys are so far gone at this point that all they can say in defense of this shitshow are Twitter catchphrases like "touch grass" or that we have "no media literacy." Really lets you know who the fuck this is for.
Not to mention how many are migrating here.
joke is homosexualry
NOW LAUGH
homosexualry IS a joke.
no no anon you've got it all wrong. the PLOT is homosexualry, the joke is homosexual sex
>Mid-season Special
Well, they got one thing right
I dread what they'll do to Loona if she ever returns. I think I'd rather she be written out at this point if it means she avoids getting Moxxie'd.
Pick your poison
>Troona: Loona out of nowhere realizes her angst is her "gender identity", everybody pretends they noticed it all along so they can get maximum brownie points of showing a troon character in-transition, complete with hellish testosterone vials, top surgery, and forearm to phallus skin grafts
>Slut: She fucks absolutely everyone and everything, the retconned Syphilis joke from the pilot is brought back in full force. And it's not sexy sex, it's gross-out making a statement about feminism and male purity bigots sex. And yes, they will explicitly make the race of the male whatever pisses of Cinemaphile the most, and she's going to have the sex in human form to really rub it in
>Lisa Simpson: She becomes nothing more but the most blatant and un-subtle mouthpiece for the retarded luxury beliefs of the writers. It's going to be preachy and awful, that slightly raspy voice you once loved will make you want to rip your hair out
Oh I absolutely am, considering other major designs are "What if Gluttony was a sparkledog bee-fox with a lava lamp tummy" "What if Stolas was literally just King Grimm from Hollow Knight, but with a beak". It's just a really, really good coincidence in Mammon's case. I wonder if they have the balls to introduce a pagan god both indisputably evil but actually still relevant, like the child-eater Saturn/Moloch/Remphan and black cube and hexagram symbolism
i just liek the sad gay owl
I love how everyone complaints about some demons not being total assholes when one of the things Cinemaphile consistently always complains about is that there's too many assholes in media.
At least you understand how fucking retarded it all is.
Why did they go to the trouble to include a deaf kid, but it wasn't our now-mute dog speaking to him?
>Loona's only scene in the episode is just a Pov from the deaf kid with Loona rambling at him
I wouldn't even be mad, I'd lose my shit.
That would be a REALLY cruel but funny meta joke
Would never happe, it'd be seen as insensitive to deaf people and they can get REALLY riled up but FUCK would it be funny
If there's a bad deaf joke, I haven't heard it!
I'd love that, it would at least be clever
Imagine making hell not hell.
Uhhhhhh Earth?
Finally, a good Carlos post
https://files.catbox.moe/thj31j.png
stolas and striker
You should draw all your p.e.a.d. versions in the (expanded) I.M.P. office someday.
Someone draw this with Mammon in Peter's place (because he's already fat) and every other character whose been infected with PEAD in the place of all the other fat guys.
I would make an edit like I did with fat chaz but fuck is that a lot of characters to draw over
Is loona in this?
not even for a frame man, better luck next episode
She was
Not anymore though
>"I'm doing this for me."
>Doesn't strike out on his own, as it's said on surface text that he is the reason Mammon has such money, not the other way around. He just quits entirely to retire to Ozzie's bedchamber more often.
>If Viv actually thought for two seconds, she'd realize that she essentially wrote Blitz's rival who is supposed to be a more successful mirror in differing ways as a doormat with no self actualization, his talents meaning nothing more to him as a means to an end of affection from Cash (surrogate dad) then Mammon (heroic figure) then Asmodeus (lover), with him only becoming much better off because the last one loves him.
Not excited for what little character is left of Blitz.
I have a public service announcement to make: If your show has been sucking dick for the last year, you can't keep hiding behind "Well the season isn't over yet" as a catch all shield for criticism. Something doesn't have to end to realize that it's not going well.
stop trying to build a world. your worldbuilding sucks. the more I see of it the less interested I am in it. every bit of new intel I get makes me care less and less. just go back to the melodramatic "child of divorce" plot or something
I hope this show fails and Christian parents get mad at it.
I hope christhomosexual parents get mad at it because that will make it more popular than ever before. Because people will watch it just to spite those obnoxious fucking Karens
No mad at it for real, because of what Vivzie made instead of corny Protestant attitudes
Shut your ass up.
No point in watching this if Loona doesn't appear.
>5 mins in
>I DONT LIKE TO DESIGN SEX TOYS IN YOUR LIKENESS FOR HIM TO MASS PRODUCE
>This comes from the King of Lust
I thought he would get off to this shit
you've come into the show with too many preconceived notions/assumptions, then
Not my fault they advertised this show as LITERAL EMBODIMENT OF SINS LIVING IN HELL and gave me IT IS ACTUALLY JUST FLORIDA, also smex jokes ehehehe
What is next? Vaccinated demons? Demons that sort trash into recyclable and not recyclable?
>Not my fault they advertised this show as LITERAL EMBODIMENT OF SINS LIVING IN HELL
they did not do that, they just tell you it's about Blitzo
No, the premise was a dark comedy about hired Imp assassins that go to earth to kill people for presumably other demons. It was meant to be edgy and possibly faux documentary style.
The show has currently premiered 15 episodes, only 6 of which the "protagonists" go to Earth to do something. 8 episodes focus heavily on Blitzo/Stolas relationship.
Now plot wise what is there? Murdering humans for demons, but why exactly Blitzo wants to do this is never fully explained. Him doing this seems to only be a backdrop for why he is involved with Stolas anyway (until they retconned it). Maybe the story was meant to be "The Office but in Hell" but that sort of thing was dropped entirely.
So does Blitzo want his business to be successful? No.. he seems rather disconcerted with that. Does Blitzo want to be the best assassin ever and we follow him on a journey of becoming badass? Nope, just already is.
Maybe he hates humans and wants to cause chaos in their world for some reason? Nope, the whole Dhorks thing was pointless and they just kill humans cuz.
Then, maybe the story will touch on the extermination of demons in hell by angels and the battle between heaven/hell that Hazbin Hotel did? Nope.
You would assume "found family" is the theme but they dash that away with Loona mostly hating Blitzo and Moxxie and Millie not wanting to do much with him.
Maybe the theme is romance, but Blitz clearly is using Stolas and is far too selfish to reasonably be in a romantic relationship.
Perhaps the theme is Blitzo searching for power since he encounters all the Deadly Sins and is besting them, or maybe challenging the status quo of hell by rising up. Only to either embrace his dark side or decide the people around him are what *really* matters. But this isn't really the focus either.
So, tell me what are we *meant* to expect?
I should also point out, that beyond the world-building and meandering plot there are still other issues.
-The comedy really falls flat the majority of the time and is incredibly juvenile if not ripped off from other shows.
-The character arc moments seem rushed because the episodes try to pack so much in it never gives the characters or audience time to breathe
-The melodrama has no buildup because it is secondary to the "comedy" and feels like emotional whiplash
-The characters are very samey, not only in designs but tropes and character dynamics.
-The musical numbers are not very good and seem to again fall into edgy for the sake of it, but fail to use any irony in the humor. It's just literal word-vomit with not much rhyme or reason
-Most of the characters are pretty unlikable and boring, especially Blitz as the lead.
The only good things I can say is the sound design is alright, the animation can be smooth and occasionally there is good coloring for shots. Sometimes the VA's are really trying to deliver but it isn't helped by godawful scripts they are given.
>and gave me IT IS ACTUALLY JUST FLORIDA
This show would be so much better if it was Florida
Imagine Helluva Boss taking place in Florida, lol.
Animated Florida Man?
Isn't that like half the gags in Family Guy?
If this was the usual Asmodeus from Demonology, yes he would get off to this.
However this is Vivzie! Asmodeus, who is an utter pansy, so no, apparently.
Some madman added this to the TvTropes page for the latest episode's YMMV and it's hilarious. Showing it now before it gets removed;
"According to a tweet by Salem — a former crew member who spoke out after not being credited for their work on the show — Vivziepop herself was their "Mammon"."
And this was on "Realism Induced Horror", fucking lol.
Blueberry inflated Fizz is canon.
For a "edgy" show the jokes have less bite to them than fucking family guy
I want to poke Mammon's belly
I have just discovered that there are real people in this fandom that think the soap opera bullshit is better than the Demon Assassination company as a premise, and they have no issue with the 7 Deadly Sins not acting how they should. It's over. Pandering to these clowns is is rock bottom for a web series.
Can't there be a balance of comedy and drama within a web series that doesn't have one overlap too much over the other?
Probably not.
>A show "pandering" by giving the audience exactly what makes them happy is awful, they should be like me and miserable.
The real hell is people like you.
If episodes like today's make you happy then I feel sorry for you.
You haven't been happy in years homosexual.
So was Loona sidelined because she was popular and Viv wanted to laser focus on the gray drama?
She talked about this ages ago. The scripts for S2 were all written before the first episode aired and everything was recorded in advance. They made a choice to give her fewer lines for budgetary reasons.
Most of the ideas and speculation are null once you realize she isn't interacting with the audience as they watch it. Since that's what it means if you write everything a head of time. The only things that can be changed now are details of animation because thats the only part that isn't done. Your thinking is conspiratorial and paranoid. Vivzi isn't in the room with you right now trying to take away your porn and make you gay.
>They made a choice to give her fewer lines for budgetary reasons
Point out where they stated that, otherwise the main assumption is she has few voice lines in S2 due to the fact her partner died at around the same time S2 was recording years ago
It's in one of the podcasts on the official channel. No I do not remember the exact video and time. It is possible Vivzi is covering for her but who knows.
I honestly thought this was one of the better season 2 episodes and I laughed at the jokes more than usual? But the musical numbers were really bad. Especially the last one. Also, mammon is easily the best sin now because he actually serves some antagonistic purpose
So did the other antagonists and look what happened to Striker.
>"clown bitches"
>they're basically KPOP performers
What did Vivziepop mean by this
I'm a shipper and I like both Stolas and Fizzarolli but at this point maybe we really should step away from character drama and go back to I.M.P. hijinks or whatever, I feel like I'm watching some of the Bojack's later seasons but with worse dialogue.