>hero is born with a silver spoon in his mouth, lives an easy life
>villain struggles through poverty and an abusive upbringing
why is this dynamic so common? the villain always seems more admirable
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>hero is born with a silver spoon in his mouth, lives an easy life >villain struggles through poverty and an abusive upbringing why is this dynamic so...
>JOOOOOOOOJOOOOOOOO
>DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOO
SONO CHI NO SADAME
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJO
>sodomy
They arent even being subtle.
Official translation is
>No more time for sodomy, JoJo
Without these two, there would be no Giorno.
Based
Unbased
>Giorno being Dio's son had no bearing on the story other than as ezcuse to give him a stand.
What a tease.
He didn't even appear at the end of Part 6, which was perfect cameo material. Oh well.
Had to connect him to the Joestar family somehow
At the very least, they play with it in the video games.
Poor people are evil
Jesus was poor
If haven't experienced poverty in your life then I'm sorry to say but you simply aren't human
Jesus was middle class
He was a poor carpenter. Money lenders and the like would have been middle class.
>He was a poor carpenter.
He actually wasn't. He was just the son of a carpenter.
He likely was since in those days you would always go into your father's profession
you're wrong and moronic and i'm not going to find the verse that says he is. google it for yourself
There's literally not a single passage in The Bible that mentions him being a carpenter. Stay ignorant.
>he believes "middle class" actually exists
lmao
yes, the merchants and craftsmen were middle class for middle age standards
sandwiched between the nobles and the peasants
> Jesus had a white picket fence and a hatchback bros
Carpenters are skilled craftsmen
I hate people who think how much money you do or do not have means a damn thing. Get over yourself you bitter loser.
Rich boy hero 1-9
Jojo's Part 9 will be Boats, this was hinted at in Jojolion
Dio was a deceptive liar only motivated by power, had he tried to assimilate with the family he would have attained that and more, but he was such a vindictive homosexual he chose all the wrong options.
Jonathan and Joseph were the most based jojo's, others don't come even close.
Based and true even though 4 is my favorite part
>Johnny not on the list
Giorno is objectively pretty damn based, he is a 15 yo kid that had an upbringing almost as bad as Dio and yet he didn't grow up to be a c**t. I found it awesome that by such a young age he already had his life figured out and was completely independent.
>was a criminal pickpocket conartist
Ya toybhad it all down.
Yes? he is a street kid that had to survive on his own, of course he resorted to crime. Still doesn't deny the fact that by 15 he was fully independent and was paying for his own boarding and education. And owned a car. Did you own a car at 15?
>runs a mafia
That's pretty based
>Did you own a car at 15?
Yeah lol
>runs a mafia
Well at least he isnt selling drugs to kids I guess.
>Run a mafia
>just run around beating people with superpowers
That was before running the mafia, anon.
You see this with Diego as well. Both him and Giorno had bad upbringings but the main difference was they weren't raised by Dio's father.
It's a shame his character development ceases after he beats Bucciarati and essentially becomes a walking deus ex machina for the rest of the part.
In Araki's mind people's natural predisposition always overcome the social effects that can mold a personality
Dio was a born evil shithead and would always been an evil shithead. He simply grown in a social condition that made him even eviler, but also smarter, because he needed to use his brain and skill to elevate himself from that hellhole of poverty
Giorno on the other side was natural good. Even growing in the middle of the Mafia didnt changed him. He simply found a way to express his natural goodness in that shithole of a social ambience by becoming a benevolent Godfather
>In Araki's mind people's natural predisposition always overcome the social effects that can mold a personality
Behavioral genetics suggests this is the case.
You can't change fate.
cuz he was made from jonathans balls. Hes biologically a Joestar
You misspelled Jolyne.
>Joseph
Bruh
BASED
Gay
Nah Jolyne is based as frick and best jojo
She's second after Johnny for me, who has one of the most complex character arcs for a manga protagonist I've seen (pic related is what makes SBR unrepentant KINO). I actually hated Johnny at first because he was so whiny. Jolyne has a similar great character arc in her part which is why she's my second favorite. I'm curious who the Ninth JoJo will be in JoJo Lands.
Dio would have been evil even if he wasn't poor
Diego > Dio
if you genuinely like the homosexual later parts with their gay characters and outfits then i pity you. Part 5 was awful.
I don't care. I will enjoy what I want.
based
based and admirable attitude but you're still a gay.
closeted homosexual cope
Steel Ball Run is the best part in the whole series.
Yes I suck wieners. I’m still right.
>jojo thread
>YEAH I SUCK wienerS
Irrelevant all jojo posters suck big bara wieners.
>Best fights in the series
>Best supporting cast in the series
>Has more depth in it's writing then any previous part by that point
>Only let down is having an anti climatic ending which still at least tied together the overarching theme of fate
>Even has an epilogue chapter to beat the message into speed readers heads and they were still too moronic to understand it
Cope animeonly
Part 5 benefitted the most from an anime adaptation out of the parts so far, imo. It's very good and the second half is an EXCELLENT pleb filter. For me, it's my third favorite part after DiU and SBR. Anyone who says it's bad are brainlets. It's anticlimactic on purpose, but there are still stakes.
>Best fights in the series
People say this a lot, but I thought 5's fights were underwhelming, especially when Golden Experience just had some lame "create an organism that happens to perfectly resolve the situation" solution to the fight.
What fights from part 5 stand out as the best in your mind? I think the Kraftwork, White Album, Oasis and Beach Boy fight were great, but I don't think they were exceptional or anything.
The only situation where Gold Experience felt like an asspull was the moronic self healing buff they gave him during Babyface. The way man in the mirror is defeated is a little contrived too but it at least makes sense within the context of his abilities. I think the main problem with him is that Giorno wasn't featured in nearly enough fights for his abilities to see active use in so it just seems like he gets powers out of nowhere and doesn't use them again
I think the issue is more that we aren't really told what the limits to his powers are, so it never really feels like he's using it in an interesting or clever way that makes sense, or in a way that we can intuitively understand, but whenever it's used it just feels like "Oh, I guess it can do that", and it's not satisfying.
It's weird, because I think Crazy Diamond and Stone Free are executed really well, where we know what the limits of their abilities are, and they are used in creative ways to resolve fights, and those parts sandwich part 5.
Nah, I'm this guy:
and even though I love Part 5, its weakest aspect is Giorno and Gold Experience who act as deus ex machinas for much of the part, which is a damn shame considering how interesting Giorno was in the first few chapters/episodes. Gold Experience's general power is imbuing inanimate objects with life, which is a pretty cool ability. But the sub-powers that it offshoots from this single description are very varied and feel asspully without technically being one. For example:
>Imbuing inanimate objects with life. Said objects can be tracked by Giorno and return to whatever the original object was if they are a piece of it.
>Touching already living beings will overload their senses "with life" and only speed up their perceptions but not their bodies. This is never brought up or used again after the Bucciarati fight.
>Creates an antidote/vaccine based on this so Giorno survives Purple Haze (less asspully).
>Sense life and how many living things are around and track people by touching the ground.
>Graft body parts from inanimate objects to heal wounds.
These are all TECHNICALLY offshoots of the original ability, but still feel really convenient a lot of the time. Compare how GE and Giorno is written (which is basically an "heh, guess I learned how to do this now!" moments interspersed to beat a certain foe) to how Josuke + Crazy Diamond or especially how Jolyne + Stone Free are written. Both have relatively simple powers with one specific ability that are used in VERY imaginative ways by their users to make up for their weaknesses. Giorno and GE are the worst parts of Golden Wind.
Everything this anon said I agree with. Part 5 is a better paced Part 3 with better characters, Stands, fights and narrative. I also agree that it's the only Part besides Battle Tendency where the anime is actually better than the manga.
Not that anon but:
>Sticky Fingers
>Black Sabbath
>Kraftwork
>Little Feet
>Man in the Mirror
>The Grateful Dead + Beach Boy
>White Album
>The first King Crimson reveal fight
>Metallica
>Notorious B.I.G.
>Oasis + Green Day
>Silver Chariot Requiem
Are all pretty kino fights.
Just to play the role of an internet autist, I'm going to comment on each of these fights:
>Sticky Fingers
I thought this one was kind of standard, it at least has some fun moments like the eyeball in the hand or the weird "overcharged with life energy" thing.
>Black Sabbath
I didn't care for this one too much.
>Kraftwork
This was a fun fight with an interesting power for the antagonist
>Little Feet
This one was okay, but nothing outstanding
>Man in the Mirror
Maybe I'm just dumb, but I always found this one kind of confusing
>The Grateful Dead + Beach Boy
I loved the Beach Boy stuff, I never really thought the Grateful Dead side of this fight was very good
>White Album
This is a good fight with a really satisfying conclusion
>The first King Crimson reveal fight
I never found this one too remarkable. Maybe I'm just dumb and found it confusing
>Metallica
I like a lot of aspects about this fight, but I find it hard to get invested in it
>Notorious B.I.G.
This one really confuses me for the weird opening "haunted house" stuff, but it's alright once the fight actually starts
>Oasis + Green Day
Same for the Beach Boy/Grateful Dead fight, I love the Oasis stuff, never really cared for the Green Day part. Though, I do like that really dumb moment where he has surgically pared his body down to basically just a spinal column
>Silver Chariot Requiem
Again, I found this one too confusing to really get into
If it's any further proof that I'm just too dumb to enjoy part 5, I get confused with whatever is meant to be going on with the second yacht in the Soft Machine fight. How is it stretched over the other one without anyone noticing? Wouldn't it be like covering it in a giant layer of clingfilm?
>Sticky Fingers
I like how evenly matched they were and how they both had to adapt on the fly to gain the upper hand for a one-hit victory that eventually went to Giorno. SF is also one of my favorite Stands in any part.
>Black Sabbath
I thought stay away from the shadows feat. Koichi was pretty cool
>This was a fun fight with an interesting power for the antagonist
Agreed. It lent itself well to animation and revealed that the Stand's manipulation of kinetic and potential energy actually had Mista at the disadvantage for most of the fight since he uses real bullets.
>This one was okay, but nothing outstanding
Aerosmith is a very powerful Stand and Formaggio's poke, run away and wait strategy to get around this fact was clever, especially from an antagonist.
>Maybe I'm just dumb, but I always found this one kind of confusing
I found it pretty straightforward.
>I loved the Beach Boy stuff, I never really thought the Grateful Dead side of this fight was very good
Disagree. The "time limit" aspect of the fight created a sense of urgency, much like how there was essentially a time limit with the Green Day + Oasis fight later on. It is odd how Secco seems unaffected by Green Day though.
>This is a good fight with a really satisfying conclusion
Agreed, White Album is one of my favorite fights of all the parts. I can see why Ghiaccio was second to last after Risotto himself, his Stand was busted as all hell and one of the few times Giorno doesn't just bullshit an asspull from nowhere but use what he already has.
>I never found this one too remarkable. Maybe I'm just dumb and found it confusing
You wouldn't be alone here. Especially in the manga, KC's intro fight is very confusing, second only to D4C's intro fight.
>I like a lot of aspects about this fight, but I find it hard to get invested in iit
Why? It showed how dangerous Risotto was and how had he met Bucciarati's team he probably would've killed them all but it was only luck that let him fight the Boss, who he still almost solo-kills because of how busted Metallica is.
>This one really confuses me for the weird opening "haunted house" stuff, but it's alright once the fight actually starts
The writing on the cabin wall of the plane is a bit strange to start, but I like the urgency of having to protect Giorno's hand so that he can use his Stand powers and it's really the only time Trish gets to shine.
>Same for the Beach Boy/Grateful Dead fight, I love the Oasis stuff, never really cared for the Green Day part. Though, I do like that really dumb moment where he has surgically pared his body down to basically just a spinal column
See above. The nature of Green Day puts a time limit on the fight, same as The Grateful Dead, although Secco clearly goes to a lower elevation multiple times and is unaffected by Green Day's mold. I guess I can handwave it away as him being underground most of the time but still.
>Again, I found this one too confusing to really get into
It's the real final fight since King Crimson is relatively easily swatted aside.
Did you read Part 5 or watch the anime? The anime makes A LOT more sense than just reading panels. The kinetic nature and weird abilities in Part 5 lends itself very well to animation to help clarify things, with King Crimson's power being very easy to understand compared to the manga (although I still often have to explain to people how it technically effects causality directly and time incidentally). I would recommend watching the anime if you're having trouble following the fights.
>>Best fights in the series
That's Stone Ocean. Too many of 5's fights get ruined by Giorno's powers becoming more bullshit with every page. Meanwhile Jolyne has the weakest stand out of any JoJo, excluding Joseph.
The first half of part 6 has some of the worst fights in the series. Goo Goo Dolls, Highway to Hell and Dragon's Dream are worse then early part 3 stands
Yes and then it becomes more kino than Part 5 ever was.
The weakness of the first half of Stone Ocean puts it just under Golden Wind for me, firmly in 4th place, since GW's second half isn't quite as slow as SO's first. SO's second half is fricking incredible though and I can't wait to see it animated. I would also say that Stone Ocean is easily the most truly "bizarre" part in JoJo as there is some really off the wall shit in the part.
>FRICKING SNAILS
Marylyn Manson, Limp Bizket, Planet waves and Survivor are all Kino though so it works out
Everything before stardust crusaders is great. I couldnt get into anything after because it was all gayged up.
If you hate part 5 I heavily reccomend steel ball run because 5 was the most boring dogshit part to me as well,and when the anime aired with pink homosexual giorno and everyone started thinking it was amazing with no grasp on how BORING the manga was it was really annoying
Why is steel ball run so much better than every other part
Short answer
Valentine, made the entirety of part 7 worth it. Also zepelli in 7 was hella based.
Jojo seasons are only as good as their villian
That's why stone ocean kinda sucks
It was written during Araki's peak skill and mental health. If age wasn't a thing Part 8 would probably be even better, sadly I am worried about Part 9.
Araki had the benefit of working with several decades worth of experience with drawing Jojo, while also making a clean break with what came before it. I think the fact that SBR started as a non-Jojo work was the best thing for it, it allowed Araki to do whatever he wanted without being beholden to the tropes and characters he'd built up over time. It's his magnum opus, it's just a shame that Jojolion couldn't stick the landing
>Araki had years and years of experience writing the previous parts, knew what worked and what now
>Was in his physicall and intellectual prime while writing SBR
>After what it will clearly be remembered as his magnus opus, struggled to write something interesting, causing Jojolion, the most filler Jojo saga up to this date
not-so-subtle propaganda that trying to change/improve/better your life is bad and you just need to accept what you were given
>lol fricking SOSHULIST PORPAGANDA
>now pull those bootstraps wageslave, don't you realize that one day you'll be as rich as me?
No Dio was just a homosexual. Speedwagon improved his lot through hard work instead of betrayal, deception and luck like Dio
Speedwagon based af.
Outside of muh propaganda this is unironically true. No one in the JoJo universe has true freedom of will because fate is an objective physical force. That's why part 3 Dio is the most based because he realized that humanity would be happier if they learned to accept their own roles in life. Neither him or Pucci did anything wrong
True, fate is a main theme throughout the series and its inescapability both a boon and a curse. Araki is firmly in the objective good and objective evil camp though as even his most gray morality part (SBR) still makes these assertions.
It comes from Britain’s class system
How much writing shorthand do you need to understand that Dio was just a fricking psycho was just randomly killing a dog for no reason other than to make Jojo seethe not enough narrative shortcutting to get across to you "THIS homie CRAZY"
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People want to believe that the world is fair. The good and virtuous rise to the top, and the evil end up at the bottom. That's the ideal world, and so people gravitate towards that kind of story, and writers like writing that kind of story.
Or, it's an easy way to create a backstory for a character whilst making them less two dimensional. "oh, they're evil because of THAT."
That, plus also people like to self-insert a bit with protagonists, and so someone from a good background is more attractive a self-insert. No one wants to self-insert if the protag is poor/abused/etc.
so, probably just lazy storytelling.
That's pretty fair though considering the successful overthrow of the aristocracy by the merchant classes (and elsewhere by wagie-academic commie synthesis) directly ruined the world
Put plebs in power and everything goes to Hell. Ppl need to know their place and not strive for more but instead we raped nature, god and society to unlock more power and material wealth for more middleclass grasping homosexuals
Nice post. Screencapped.
>the successful overthrow of the aristocracy by the merchant classes directly ruined the world
If everything was better, why overthrow them?
Checkmate, gay
Because people generally don't know what's good for them, just what feels good
Why is part 8 so boring?
Because araki tried to make a mystery story while he makes shit up on the fly like always.
cast him
How did he suddenly turn from a short fat frick into a lean Chad?
Same way he turned from a man who did nothing wrong to a child rapist. Araki isn't a very good writer. The best JoJo story, Purple Haze Feedback, isn't even written by him.
Purple Haze Feedback deserves all the attention and praise it rightfully deserves.
It's a travesty that it never got animated.
Through the power of Jesus Christ.
This unironically
Thin Valentine is actually alternate universe Valentine.
that Valentine died offscreen and d4c brought in a new one
Outside Universe Explanation: Araki wanted him to look like more of a Chad and actually fight the protagonists
In-universe Explantation: Dāti Dīdsu Dan Dāto Chīpu
Christopher Walken
*Ahem* I'll just leave my objectively correct opinions here:
>Best Parts
7 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 2 > 8 > 3 > 1
>Best JoJo
Johnny > Jolyne > Josuke > Joseph > Josuke(8) > Jotaro > Giorno> Jonathan
>Best Main Antagonist
Valentine > Kira > Pucci > Dio Brando > Diavolo > Tōru > Kars > DIO
>Best JoBro
Gyro > Bucciarati/Mista > Rohan > Weather Report > Jotaro > Polnareff > Speedwagon > Yasuho > Caesar
>Best Secondary Antagonist
Diego Brando > Ringo Roadagain > La Squadra in general > Wammu > Vanilla Ice > Jobin > Tarkus
Bucciariati was more of the mentor figure, like Will Zeppeli or Lisa Lisa. One could argue that there was no Jobro in part 5 as the timeframe since Giorno joins Passione and Diavolo's death is REALLY short (like a week at most) and there was barely any downtime. But yeah, Mista is the closest, considering that he stuck with Giorno by the end.
Bucciarati is essentially the protagonist after his and Giorno's early fight as Giorno's character development pretty much ceases. Mista is best bro in Part 5 though. Purple Haze Feedback is indeed great even though its canonicity is disputed, as Fugo is a good character and deserved more exploration than he got in Part 5.
>Purple Haze Feedback
Sounds like a marijuana strain
>Rohan
>Not Okuyasu
Hell Joske barely interacted with the giy outside their fight. Koichi had more screen time with him.
And Rohan fricking despised Josuke, no idea how that guy considers him a jobro
Okuyasu was more of a bro to Josuke, but Rohan is the far more interesting supporting character. Also, Jotaro's Part 4 incarnation is his best one. He's far more suited to a supporting role than the main protagonist like he was in Stardust Crusaders.
Even then Koichi would be more fitting as a Jobro over Rohan
Fair, I like Koichi too. Him telling Kira to frick off long enough for Jotaro to briefly wake up from his wounds and beat the smug shit out of Kira is one of the best scenes in Part 4.
I love Okuyasu because his stand is entirely broken and could have handled most shit with ease, but he was a total moron. It was great.
>moronic
>still saves the day in the end
>Rohan
5 > 3 > 6 = 4 > 2 > 1 > 7 > 8
SBR is overrated
I wanna FRICK LisaLisa if you get what I mean
I believe in Gwess superiority
Does part 4 get better? I really hate the MC and his homosexual sidekick butt buddy. It's also schizo as frick.
Part 4 is pretty damn fun, if you put up with the autism from 3, 4 should be a breeze.
If you didn't like Part 4 right away then you won't like it at all.
Then I imagine I will not bother watching/reading it. I actually hated I the first episodes and I have watched part 1-3 at least four times.
Just understand that by disliking part 4 you got filtered had and revealed as a tasteless pleb
Fine by me because your opinions will never matter to me.
You will likely love part 5 tho. It's basically a re-run of part 3 but with a vast better plot, cooler side characters, massivelly better fights. Araki wanted to make a Stardust Crusader 2.0 but without the weak parts, and it worked very well
I would even say the anime of part 5 is even better than the manga original
SDC is still better.
It's usually accepted as the 2nd best part my guy
It's the second best part after Steel Ball Run, but if you don't like the slice-of-life aspect of the part early on then you likely won't like it at all. The second half of Diamond is Unbreakable is more focused than the first half though and the main antagonist doesn't appear until then. He's the second best in the series imo and worth it as a foil to Josuke.
I don't think there's a cure for your terminally shit taste, my friend.
>schizo
Are you reading Duwang or something?
With all the bright colors and shit it literally looks like something a schizo would paint. Or somebody high on PCP
Yeah, filtered. Now it makes sense.
The only people that ever recommended part 4 to me is women. Care to explain this phenomena?
Irrelevant jojo is for gays anyway.
Women have never read Jojo
I was just talking to some childhood friends and catching up with them. Both are females and both have read the eternity of Jojo.
They've never read the manga I guarantee it. Jojo is gay and based. Women are moronic and cringe.
One of them used to wear a Naruto headband and had a large manga collection so I wouldn't put it past her to have read it. I will give part 4 manga a try.
JoJo isn't gay (alright, Part 5 does have two canon gay couples and Part 6 has a bisexual woman), just flamboyant because of Araki's various influences (principally, rock music, Italian Renaissance art and high fashion). Most of the cast are hardened badasses, especially ironically in Part 5, where the antagonists are all hardened killer sociopaths and the protagonists are slightly less sociopathic killers.
I was joking but part 5 is unironically the gayest part
It's simultaneously the gayest part and the most brutal masculine part too since it's really just hardened sociopaths killing other hardened sociopaths.
Holy cope, bruh it's the current year get out that closet and start thugshakin.
>part 1 MC marries and has a son
>part 2 MC marries and has a daughter, and has at least one (that we know) out of wedlock bastard
>part 3 MC marries and has a daughter
>part 6 MC marries
>part 7 MC marries and has a son
>part 8 MC has a GF he loves very much
BuT JoJo Is ToTeS GhEy DaWg
Bro, it's ok to be gay today man. Dont fight it, accept wiener into your life anon younwill be happier for it.
God I hate tumblrhomosexuals, I can't bring up JoJo anywhere without people immediately connecting the series to them despite it being one of the most popular manga franchises in Japan since the fricking 80's
Wanna thugshake with me bro? Just let your cheeks loose and shake.
Why are you speaking like broken buck?Did your masta forget to whip you again?
You wanna whip me good? I'll shake harder then.
Seems like you don't know the fanbase ar all. Like half of jojo fans are female because of the attractive men and the gayness.
The twink stylr works in part 4 because they were actually just a bunch of kids doing slice of life shit. Jotaro should have still been a huge hulking dude.
he is described as a big guy in the character dialogue
He still was in part 4. DiU was in a weird transitional phase where you still had both FotNS style hunks and smooth little twinks
Holy FILTERED, Batman. I can understand people not liking Part 4 or 5 initially because of their unbelievably shitty scans/translations but there's no excuse when the new ones are great now.
Well it has been years since I tried to read or watch it. Maybe I'd like the manga more.
The anime adaption was pretty bad apart from the soundtrack, it's worth it for arguably the best villain in the series, he's fun as frick and gets like the most character development of any jojo main bad guy
Kira steals the show when he shows up.
I think part 4 has the best fights in the series, with the final one being the crowning achievement of all the parts. It's my favourite overall, but part 7 is close behind it just for how creative and interesting it is.
It's start very slow and fillerish, focused on worldbuilding. Once the main villain shows up it became very funny and unlike anything from the previous parts
alot of people say its the 2nd best but the town actually feeling alive makes it my favorite
As a Part 7chad, Part 4chads are alright in my book.
Narancia deserved better. I loved that little homie so much.
He just wanted some of his town's pizza ;_;
>best JoJo
>best broJo
>best villain
>some of the best secondary villains (Diego, Sandman, Ringo)
>best setting
>Araki actually understands the Western aesthetic very well while doing his own take on it
>best ending
How did Araki do it, lads? I thought JoJolion would surpass it for a while but the rushed ending and unanswered questions disappointed me about Part 8, but Part 7 is pretty much perfect. It remains my favorite manga of all time.
>Sandman
>LOLOLOLO HES ACTUALLY THE SOUNDMAN
I love part 7, but what in the name of frick...
I thought it was a decent twist and a great way to have an Echoes-type Stand be wielded by an antagonist who wants to kill the protags. In a Silent Way also looks badass as a Stand design and is one of Miles Davis' best albums.
I like Rohan as a JoBro precisely because he hates Josuke but still manages to work with him. The Highway Star fight is kino and peak Part 4.
Dio was literally given everything handed over to him and still chose to be a little b***h about it
For me, it's the 20th Dio after Dio kills his dog
so would Kars lose to any stand user pretty much?
No. He's unkillable.
Normal Kars, yeah. Ultimate Lifeform Kars, only a handful of stands could really beat him, and that's only if the stand user doesn't frick around and goes for the kill.
>only a handful of stands could really beat him
Which ones?
I'd figure time control stands could beat him.
Death13 maybe?
Notorious big?
Purple haze
D4c
>I'd figure time control stands could beat him.
Time control would do nothing, as both Dio and Diavolo steel neded to physically hurt their oponents and you can't beat Kars by punching him really hard.
>Purple haze
Kars would naturally develop the vaccine to the Purple Haze virus, he's got OP cellular control.
>plot armor
Well duh anon.
>Death13 maybe?
Nah, Kars is the Perfect Being, he no longer requires sleep.
>Notorious big?
Possibly, but his cells might react to the assimilation and assimilate the Stand instead.
>Purple haze
His cells would react to the virus and create an immune response to shrug it off eventually.
>D4c
If D4C manages to drag Kars through dimensions to another version of himself and they annihilate, yes.
I think only the time-space erasure Stands could beat him or something that completely destroys him without any possibility of recovery. These all come to mind:
I forgot about Wonder of U as well. That's certainly possible since it's probability manipulation and the only reason Joseph "defeated" Kars in the first place was luck. Also, I haven't read Jorge Joestar, but I've heard it's nuts.
Killer Queen as it physically destroys its foe all at once and leaves nothing behind. Kars can't regenerate if there is nothing left to regenerate.
Wonder of U, probably. It would need to up the ante on the calamities for a while, but eventually it will provoke something that kicks Kars out of the planet.
Rohan could use Heaven's Door to make Kars inoffensive.
Cream may be able to remove Kars entirely but it would be difficult as Vanilla Ice can't aim it.
Kars would just split some cells off of him before the fight and regrow from that like Cell
Normal Kars? Easily.
Ultimate Life Form Kars? Only a handful of Stands could beat him. Cream, Gold Experience Requiem, The Hand and Tusk Act 4 all come to mind. Killer Queen as well would probably beat him due to the way it works as a bomb that essentially erases the target it explodes.
>Fine by me because your opinions will never matter to me.
>Nooooo you can't heckin' dislike Josuke he is a good boy!
i think its a "there but a chance of fate goes I" thing like if the hero and villain swapped places at birth they would have turned into eachother. so its to humble the hero and make them realize how lucky they were and to try to be more selfless and care about the downtroden because if someone had jusut taken care of this guy when he was a kid we could have had another hero instead of a villain to fight
does part 6 ever become kino?
Ignoring the entirety before it, the fight with foo fighters and the fight with the meteor guy and jolyne was pretty good.
Much like part 3, it only reaches kino level during the climax of the story
It is very much the reverse of Part 5 where the first half of Golden Wind is awesome and well paced, the second half is deliberately slowed down until the anitclimax of the final fight. With Stone Ocean, the first part is very slow, but it picks up and doesn't stop once they leave the prison and the finale is anything but anticlimactic.
It's kino all the way through. Yeah the Sons of Dio are a moronic idea, but their fights are awesome, so they get a pass.
It's pretty middling until they leave the prison, but once you get to Bohemian Rhapsody and Heavy Weather it really gets good
Only after the best character in the part dies ironically enough
Second half is absolute kino only rivalled by the PEAK moments from other parts, except in 6 it last almost half the manga.
then read steel ball run
This is why Dragonball is the goat.
Part 4 best I like Kira
>Poor person ends up being more evil then rich people
Kino trope
>Only ever read part one
>Will only ever read part one
Frick Stands.
Part two doesn't have Stands either you know
Battle Tendency still uses Hamon, but the Part is carried entirely by Joseph.
>Complex logic puzzle powers bad
>Sun karate good
I will never understand this
It's all asspulls
>Proceeds to shoot invincible god being into space because a rock pushed them incidentally
Yeah ham and cheese era was a lot better
It really isn't. Only Gold Experience being bullshit throughout Part 5 (except the ending) is comparable to the asspulls that Joseph pulls off with Hamon and predictions in Part 2. Most other fights in JoJo involving Stands are far more interesting and Stands are the best shonen power set in manga besides Nen in Hunter x Hunter. Actually scratch that, JoJolion's ending was kind of an asspull as well and not done as well as Part 5's anticlimax. JJL has the most egregious cases of "Araki forgot" syndrome which is not how you're supposed to do a mystery thriller-style part.
>JoJolion's ending
Jojolion's ending makes me think that the story was originally planned to be much longer, but Araki was told that he had to wrap it up halfway through the WoU fight, so he awkwardly stretched that fight into the resolution , so it ended up being a complete nothing of a fight the whole way through, with unnecessarily ramped up stakes and a complete asspull ending to sell the illusion that it's a suitable ending. I mean, the fight kind of seemed like it was over when Josuke tricked Tooru's stand into coming to him and avoiding the "pursuing him causes calamity" thing, but it just kept going and going.
I'm just speculating and have almost no proof, but the whole part reeks of Jobin being the main antagonist, with a final showdown splitting the Higashikata family in two and serving as the final fight, but the part was cut short and we got what we see today.
I agree completely on it feeling rushed/hastily wrapped up. The rock insects and flashback chapter which retconned rock humans were big red flags for me, like Araki was stalling for a few chapters while things get ironed out behind the scenes. A theory is that the publishers didn't want it to go much longer as 33 or so volumes was too much to keep printing and in circulation. JJL may have had to go closer to 40 or even into the 40s before Araki ended it.
>A theory is that the publishers didn't want it to go much longer
I'd believe it. That last fight just feels so weird and off that I can't believe it was Araki's original intention to end the part like that.
Araki changes his mind a lot but he usually sets hard endings which he eventually reaches. 2, 4 and 8 were the most loose with 4 literally being envisioned as a never ending tale of Morioh.
You'd think the perception of time being altered would have been perfect against Diavolo, especially as he didn't know who Giorno was nor what his stand did.
8 tries to wrap up a lot of loose ends with its ending, but they are just so rushed and sloppy that it feels off.
A good example is Jobin being killed(?) by the nozzle of a compressed air cannister. He has a looming presence over the entire part, he's presented with an air of mystery after the other family members, he is investigated for his transactions with the rock humans, he hires a hitman (Dolemite) to kill Josuke, he tries to kill Yasuho, and he attacks Norisuke as part of his plan to maintain the power of his family, but he's just killed off in such a casual way, as a by-product of a fight that he had 0 involvement in. I can't believe that was Araki's intention for the character from day 1, it just feels so off.
I agree, Jobin should've been the main antagonist. Kinda like how Diego From Another World was the final boss compared to Valentine being the main antagonist from Part 7. Tōru isn't necessarily not interesting but he is given too little screentime to be fleshed out properly. He feels more like a force of nature than a person, which I suppose is represented in his Stand (and it was nice not to have a time-space based Stand as the final big bad for a change, although probability manipulation could still be considered a time-space Stand), but still JJL seemed very rushed the last 10 chapters with a lot of questions unanswered. Very disappointing for what was a great part for 3/4ths of it's run.
It seemed like Araki wanted Part 8 to be a fusion of Parts 2+4+5, like how Part 7 was a fusion of Parts 1+3, but either had some behind the scenes editorial pressure to finish it or really got sick of writing it and just wanted it to end. I'm hoping Part 9 will be kino and up to the same standard as Parts 7 and 4.
If there's one thing I'll be upset about forever it's that I'll never get to experience Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency going in blind again.
What a fricking ride.
How's the adaptation Taika Waititi directed? Any good? I mean from what I understand it is an original story which could be interesting, but also only the MC has a Satnd and there are no fights wtf
Are you trying to claim Dio seems more admirable than Jonathan?
first arc is the only good one, fight me
i'll admit some later ones have moments but overall are a slog
the second half of part one is a slog though. I agree that the writing of part one until the interlude after with the burning mansion fight is one of the best parts with the best plot structure. The dickensian drama vibe was really good.
It makes me sad that Araki never tried his hand at other genres.
you can see him dip his toes into other genres for a volume or two at a time in other parts of jojo, like thriller, gambling, mystery, crime, but I'd love it if he gave each one a proper 8-12 volume series.
Araki would be really good at anything. it would be so fresh.
Poor people are cruel, evil beasts. It's poor people who commit violent crime like rape and murder. It's poor people who lie and cheat and rob.
Poor people themselves know this which is why they try to get away from other poor people whenever they get the opportunity.
STICKY FINGAHHHH
Hamon>Stands
The rat stand could kill every single hamon user.
part 2 joseph would pull something out of his ass so the rat never actually hurt him
Okay fine yes. Joseph would probably win. Everyone else. Probably not
You and I both know Joseph already wins.
dio would have still been a c**t without the bad upbringing
That's closer to reality. Most poor people are basically animals. Media is way more obsessed with the idea of the scrappy hero triumphing over the evil king though.
because the bourgeois control anime media
from their perspective the peasants are evil
Poverty and an abusive upbringing can create a piece of shit even more easily than it can create a good person.
Is this that jojos adventure anime? something about this show always felt deeply homoerotic and cause of that I never watched it. was I wrong or is it really gay?
There's a lot of appreciation for the male form
Do you think the statue of David by Michelangelo is gay?
No definitely not.
I think this is it. Something about the way it’s drawn, the way features of the face and body are accentuated. It all felt very gay. But I’ll trust you anons and give it a try, everyone is always talking about how great it is.
The characters look pretty homosexual, which is because a lot of their clothing and poses are inspired by fashion magazine covers, which tend to look pretty gay. But almost all JoJos marry and have children, even if it's not shown in the manga.
While these guys may look like a gay stripper crew, they are actually all hardened killers. The dissonance actually adds to the story and characters honestly. Imagine The Sopranos, but in Italy and they're all teenagers with psychospiritual avatars with strange abilities that they kill each other with.
Jojo is 0% gay.
There's no actual homoeroticism, but several of the characters dress like they're gay strippers.
Barring a few minor characters in Part 5 being gay gangsters (Sorbet and Gelato) and Part 7 having a bisexual also minor character (Scarlet Valentine), JJBA is exceptionally manly and very traditionalist in terms of morality. Araki, the author, draws his inspiration from rock/pop music, Italian Renaissance art and modern high fashion. His workspace in interviews often has him drawing characters with a thousand-page Renaissance art history textbook at his right and a Gucci catalogue at his left, all while listening to prog rock.
Araki is based (he also may or may not be immortal) and JoJo is kino. You should read/watch it.
Thank you anon. After having it explained to me by several anons here I will definitely be taking a look. The renaissance inspiration also makes a lot of sense thinking back to what the characters look like.
I was initially turned off by it due to the flamboyant posing and odd art. I wrote it off as just another gay subversion, but when I watched the first anime of Part 1 and 2, I was hooked and it only gets better from there. Just don't be an animeonly and read the manga as much of the anime doesn't do Araki's art justice. Araki is a gifted illustrator and decent writer who has only honed his craft after almost 40 years of JoJo in print. It's my favorite anime/manga of all time and I kick myself for not getting into it earlier in my life. Trannies and gays may like it too, but they often misrepresent characters and themes and substitute their own delusions for them, but don't let the gay fanbase prevent you from enjoying kino.
he was an ungrateful psychopath for no reason at all. like speedwagon said, he was born evil
What's Raimi's favorite part?
Part 2 because nazis and racism against blacks and latins
Part 2, because he strongly empathizes with Von Stroheim.
He would either be a Part 1 purist or a Part 6 guy for all the body horror.
no way
>Misuta Raimi-san, uichhu JoJo did u rike besuto?
>I am very fond of von Stroheim.
>Eh? But hi is notto ei JoJo.
>...I am VERY find of von Stroheim.
Poverty and abuse is evil. Usually turns people evil. Very few escape it with a sound mind and soul. Often very bitter people who hate other people's sunshine.
While his upbringing was certainly quite harsh, Dio is consistently shown to be a spiteful, arrogant butthole and inherently evil. It is likely had he been born into a good family he still would've been evil, albeit with less ambition.