>Heroes and Prophets can be a bad thing
>Even if they have humanities best interests at heart
>Even if they can actually see the future and always know the right things to do all the time
>In the end, even in this best case scenario, it would be best if that sort of power just didn't exist at all.
Why are people so confused about this? There isn't a moral judgement in Dune. Paul is not a good guy or a bad guy.
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>oh no heckin people will die this is NOT wholesome
I want to exterminate people that are like this.
works itself out probably. no extermination needed.
you should contact your local and government law enforcement agencies and tell them your enlightened thoughts on killing random people including children and babies. I'm sure they'd appreciate the Black person mindset.
Exactly. Russia and China both mogged western capitalist states by leaps and bounds in a much shorter time. People claiming
>muh bread lines, muh bajillion dead
Are shortsighted and simple. We could solve capitalism's failures in a generation if we had the balls to do what's necessary.
In a truly free market, you wouldn't exist.
What is this condition that causes capitalism's cheerleaders to talk like they're in their favourite capeshit anime?
the same condition that makes communists in first-world countries think that they would be spared in a real-life communist takeover
the problem is that you believe in metanarratives, as if there is some inevitable end state to be reached
you’re missing the point
But they can't see the future. It's a projection on the data they've got.
>Laplace's Demon is... le bad???
Whoa. No way.
>In the end, even in this best case scenario, it would be best if that sort of power just didn't exist at all.
this makes no sense. human civilization needs a way to organize itself and unite itself. if we stayed as disparate tribes of hunter gatherers, none of us would exist.
Prescience specifically. Not suggesting anarchy. Dune is largely based on the premise of Foundation.
it doesn't have to make sense, Frank was a libertarian so that's what he wrote
Herbert was outspoken about his wariness of demagogues and often presented that as the main argument of Dune but he was a smart guy and so he made a steelman in Paul and Leto II. Both characters are 'bad' from a libertarian perspective just because they are far too powerful but they are written in a way that they can't really be blamed for their actions.
They ARE superior men with respectable ideals and they CAN see futures. And of those that they can see, they choose the futures that have the best outcomes for humanity regardless of the horrors to get there. Leto II's great triumph is scattering humanity across the galaxy and immunizing them from the threat of prescient individuals in order to reduce the chances that one powerful person can kill off all of humanity.
That's really a big strength in his writing, it makes Hellstrom's Hive excellent.
>"I said, 'In terms of what we want now, as we think of our world now, what would be the most horrible kind of civilization you could imagine?' And then I said, 'Now I will make... [the members of that civilization] the heroes of the story, by taking negative elements of the surrounding society and treating them as the villain.' That creates a very peculiar kind of tension."
It's a good way to build commonality with people of opposing viewpoints. You don't need to agree with everything Herbert has to say to see the truths he dredges up in his process.
Just additional filtering and moisture recapturing systems. They are somewhat a redundancy on top of the mask for the mouth.
was for
Animals have minimal levels of formalized social structure and yet somehow they persist. Without language we would be living in societies of the correct sizes.
>societies of the correct sizes
ok equilibriumgay
Paul doesn't have humanity's best interests at heart. Seeing that the Jihad isn't the worst possible future of humanity is NOT the same thing as the Jihad actively preventing mankind's extinction, and when Paul saw the Golden Path he instead chose to run away.
KWAB
Yeah, that's how it is in Dune.
DUNC is about "Hey, isn't it cool how big this ugly block of concrete looks? Let's have a hack-and-slash large scale combat scene in this grey desert! Stilgar funny!".
Stilgar depressing.
the moral of the story is:
people are moronic pieces of shit and always end up fricking things up for the rest of us.
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My main problem with dune is that they don't use enclosed facecovering with their super high tech water recycling suits.
In real life you lose a lot of moisture by exhaling, so why the frick wouldn't a suit designed to capture and reuse all of your excreted moisture not even attempt to capture your breath?
Are the freemans engineeers this moronic in the book too? I'm guessing so since multiple adaptations have designed the suits to literally ignore a huge free source of recyclable moisture.
no they are fully covered in the book and only go out at night to conserve water unless its for some ritual.
What's with the goofy ahh noseplugs then? It's not kino, and doesn't make sense in-universe. Did I get lynch'd, and it's an obvious metaphor for childbirth or some gay shit like that?
>In real life you lose a lot of moisture by exhaling, so why the frick wouldn't a suit designed to capture and reuse all of your excreted moisture not even attempt to capture your breath?
>In the open desert, you wear this filter across your face, this tube in the nostrils with these plugs to insure a tight fit. Breathe in through the mouth filter, out through the nose tube.