Heroes on BOTH sides? What?

Heroes on BOTH sides? What?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From my point of view the Sith are good

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol I'm pretty sure God made starwars. The pieces of shit on the screen are like puppets he's controlling. He also likely created all the star wars merch. Like, at some point though we gotta ask why were having so much sex. He must've been so powerful to make something like this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But seriously, we can't let him get his hands on the nuclear codes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Sith have always been right, ever since Rajivari and the Legions of Lettow.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It means Dooku is a hero to the CIS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To robots and bankers? Why? He didn't do anything

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He led their succession movement and won the battle for Geonosis

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >won the battle for Geonosis
          Did he though? The way it's portrayed in AoTC it seems like a resounding Republic victory, with the CIS forces being completely taken by surprise and their leadership fleeing immediately.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He is a hero to the banking clan guys and the other aliens, the droids are just their fighting force

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He Doo'd the Ku, dumbass

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lucas acknowledging that bravery is amoral.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >heroes on both sides
    >evil is everywhere
    So which one is it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      both can be true you complete moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sup mauler

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Ak55lXu.jpeg

      Heroes on BOTH sides? What?

      you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're not sending their best

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's hinting at the fact that the Republic and the Jedi aren't the white knight in shiny armour they think they are

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Palpateenyhands must have been like
    >We have some very brave people on both sides of the Force

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's talking about Israel and Palestine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If a Muslim kills a israelite baby and a israelite kills a Muslim baby, they're both hero's in my book.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed. But the muslim is more of a hero in my book because I hate israelites more

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Lucas were still in charge you can bet that conflict would be the inspiration for a story. Remember that Palpatine was inspired by Nixon.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the classical sense.

    >A classical hero is considered to be a "warrior who lives and dies in the pursuit of honor" and asserts their greatness by "the brilliancy and efficiency with which they kill".[7]
    Both Jedi and the Sith have their heroes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      too bad 99.9999999% of the participants were either robots or clones. Not exactly heroic to just act out your programming.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, you still have characters like Dooku or Grievous. It's like in ancient times, Trojans had Hector or Aeneas and Greeks Achilles or Agamemnon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Neither seem terribly heroic. Grevious flees at the first opportunity. I guess Dooku went 2vs1 against jedi twice, that's about it for heroism. The rest of the non-mechanical separatists we see are cowardly businessmen.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Grievous is fighting to do as much hurt as he can to the jedi and senate after they led to the death of his wife

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but who cares? Neither character is fleshed out at all, they barely get any screen time in the movies and the CiS armies are all robots run by ugly alien merchants and bugmen.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That comparison only works if Homer had spent five movies depicting the Trojans as unredeemable monsters.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Droids are fine. They aren't very cruel.
            Trade feds are cowardly but they are like the Chinese. They just want a good deal.

            Etc etc

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        would a robot thats particularly good at acting out its programming not be heroic to the other robots assuming some level of self-awareness

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How could a robot be "particularly good" at anything it hasn't been specifically programmed to be particularly good at?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aren't Star Wars robots actually sapient to the point of having "personhood"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Clones are people.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They do that in the three kingdoms show too, people like Lu Bu or Cao Cao are referred to as both heroes and villains

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Republic vs. The Confederacy isn't "Jedi vs. Sith." There are Jedi on both sides and Sith on both sides, fricktard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You now realize that the Confederacy were the good guys and Republic the bad guys.

        I'm not talking about Star Wars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not honorable to be a power hungry evil killer Sith.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That definition is at odds with the nature of Siths, moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In the SW universe the vast majority of the population don't understand the difference between Jedi and Sith. Count Dooku would've been seen as a hero to people who believed in the separatist cause - they wouldn't have cared if his lightsaber was red or not.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Was Count Dooku actually a true sith? He never had the yellow eyes like Maul.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I honestly don't know. Compared to a lot of Sith, Dooku really doesn't seem that bad. He might have had some dark side traits, he was definitely arrogant, but I always got the sense that he just believed in the Separatist arguments and Palpatine used that to manipulate him.

            But I'm no expert, I'm sure there's some EU material that makes it much more clear but I haven't seen it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, even Yoda says "Dooku turned to the dark side". He didn't have yellow eyes just like Palpatine in his public persona

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dooku turned to the dark side in the same way Yoda did. As did Mace. They were all doing that shit in emotional heat, gripped by fear of losing power etc etc.

              Which is why Palpatine has such an easy time manipulating all of them, because he's the best at it

              Yoda in ep2 kicks off a mega-conflict by wielding the army, and finds meaning in his life again by commanding his army etc etc

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Grievous is a hero you frick.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why, becuase you think honor is a magic good boy word and not merely esteem within any given value system?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Grievous is a confederate army commander and he is by all means good at his job and respectful in all dealings

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's a comic relief character like Jar Jar

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jar Jar is also a hero of the battle of Naboo

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also correct. Jar jar is, by all definitions, a heroic fricking guy.
              Prodigal son, enabled the forging of friendships between peoples, war hero that lead people into liberating a planet, later on senator and representative of his people and kicked off the emperor vote

              Pivotal historical figure, that jar jar. Biopic soon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By his first appearance and onward they show him to be a shrewd commander of troops and leader. He's capable of taking charge of situations (he commands when the ship starts sinking), he knows when to flee due to overwhelming numbers, the whole kidnapping thing was his operation and it was going well enough. Apparently he's a central pillar and has barely any jokes. He's not a "fun" character more than he is colorful and has a personality (frustrated, aristocratic, big picture type guy)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He is not. Grievous is like 8ft tall and carries 4 lightsabers around, also admits he enjoys killing jedi. Also for someone who is supposed to be a "coward" he still tells the droid army to back away and chooses to go 1 v 1 against Kenobi

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It might have worked if Lucas wasn't a hack and hadn't made one side a bunch of robots. Also the clones should have been on the separatist side as they originally were in the EU.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It might have worked if Lucas wasn't a hack and hadn't made one side a bunch of robots. Also the clones should have been on the separatist side as they originally were in the EU.
      Based
      Ol’ George be like
      >hmm war is so dramatic and personal. That’s not the story I want to tell… I know! I’ll remove the human equation entirely and make it clones vs robots!
      Stormtroopers should have been citizen volunteers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The robots are heroic. B1 battle droids experience the fear of death and have sapience, yet dare to do battle versus jedis, both directly and by manning weapon emplacements, pilot ships etc.

      too bad 99.9999999% of the participants were either robots or clones. Not exactly heroic to just act out your programming.

      Droids are not programmed in the sci fi sense, but are free to do pretty much whatever they desire unless "slaved" by a specific technology.
      That's how droids have been portrayed since the beginning of Star Wars ep 4, by continuously doing more than expected, by having 100% human decision making and priorities, with zero to distinguish them from other humans except slave status and discrimination.

      General Grievous was evil even in the stuff where he was competent, just look up the bombing of Humbarine. There were still a lot of Separatists on the ground who just hated how evil the Republic was.

      Neither seem terribly heroic. Grevious flees at the first opportunity. I guess Dooku went 2vs1 against jedi twice, that's about it for heroism. The rest of the non-mechanical separatists we see are cowardly businessmen.

      Grievous is heroic in the sense that he upholds the hopes and dreams of hundreds of worlds by carrying the entirety of the war effort on his shoulders.
      He is loved by the people and reviled by his enemies.
      He is both aristocratic and a capable strategizer, able to see the bigger picture and recognize his responsibilities.
      His on-screen depiction is most likely derived from Robert E Lee.

      Also friendly reminder that the confederacy of independent systems did nothing wrong and Clones are unable to be brave due to lacking fear of death. Clones are de facto less sentient than droids, as depicted in the movies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The CIS is a cuck faction that existed because corpos were mad that the Republic was trying to rein them in just a bit. They and all their leaders were nothing but puppets of Palpatine.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're missing the (legitimate) grievances factions like the trade federation obviously had with the republic.

          Punitive taxation, illegal enforcement of rules through subversive use of jedi agents, massive corruption, legislative pressure etc etc.

          What we see in ep1 is just a galaxy wide trend. Productive peoples are being crushed by the weight and power of the legislative center of the regime, where they have little or no recourse but to answer with building parallel power structures and their own corruption.

          And if they try to leave, the jedis spark a war by invading a planet and massacring its inhabitants.

          You can spin this shit any way you want, do you

          >Also friendly reminder that the confederacy of independent systems did nothing wrong and Clones are unable to be brave due to lacking fear of death. Clones are de facto less sentient than droids, as depicted in the movies.
          I've need seen The Clone Wars but, I know the Clones all get given personalities. Seems like it missed the point, at least from my view, of the idea that the Clones were effectively just biological droids.

          All those fan works and EU bs ultimately failed to grasp the central core of the clone, in that he is a tool and has no humanity whatsoever. A human cannot turn on his friends at the drop of a hat but clones are capable to do so. They had to introduce a brain worm type chip to explain this away, but it was just another dumb ass retcon.

          Kaminoans explained it all in ep 2, paraphrasing: "they're modified to obey orders without question"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You're missing the (legitimate) grievances factions like the trade federation obviously had with the republic.
            They had no legitimate grievances. They were given cart blanche to run entire worlds, bully other worlds into submission and treat everyone who worked for them like shit, all while not paying taxes AT ALL. Then when the Republic passed a bill saying they had to pay taxes they blockaded and then invaded a world because they were asshurt. All of this was done at the behest of their secretive Sith benefactor because they were also spineless losers. The Trade Federation should have been dismantled right then and there, but they weren't, and they still had the gall to hire a bounty hunter to try to assassinate a senator voting in favor of the Republic establishing an army to deal with the corpo's increasing agitation.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >EU fanfic tier writing that directly contradicts the movies being taken as fact
              Don't read the wiki and don't base your view of the movies off wiki cancer

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute. Hoping to resolve the matter with a blockade of deadly battleships, the greedy Trade Federation has stopped all shipping to the small planet of Naboo
                Literally in the opening crawl you fricking moron

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The taxation of trade routes, correct. Doesn't say anything about zero taxes or some other bullshit.

                Trade federation props up naboo and trades their goods for food etc.
                when naboo is blockaded from trade by their trucking company (the feds), everyone starves, since they don't grow their own fricking food.

                The federation blockade is apparently a perfectly legal way to protest the taxation issue, which they view as unjust.

                And yet, in response the chancellor sends a group of jedi to illegally strong-arm the traders.

                All this is classic imperialist shit, something a powerful regime would do, and proves federation has a legitimate grievance with the republic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And yet, in response the chancellor sends a group of jedi to illegally strong-arm the traders.
                Yeah, and they attempt to murder the ambassadors and start an illegal invasion in response. They then put the queen's people in camps and let them starve. All because they're being asked to pay money. All of this is beyond scummy. If you came away thinking the slimy frickheads literally under the thumb of the Sith were good guys you're a moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Also friendly reminder that the confederacy of independent systems did nothing wrong and Clones are unable to be brave due to lacking fear of death. Clones are de facto less sentient than droids, as depicted in the movies.
        I've need seen The Clone Wars but, I know the Clones all get given personalities. Seems like it missed the point, at least from my view, of the idea that the Clones were effectively just biological droids.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    George Lucas is a boomer who wants to have morally ambiguous "war is hell" stories but only knows how to write good vs evil.

    It's a common trait among boomer writers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The guy you posted is based though
      All of his stories are
      >le bad guys are... le evil, except for the hot evil bawd who commits sixty genocides and is still better than everyone morally

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"war is bad no matter which side youre on! films should portray everyone as equally evil!"
      >invades a neighbor out of power lust and greed

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think they were feeding the troops with?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Clankers can't eat that! They perfer gyros.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Breddy good

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Clanker
        Listen here vat boy, that’s our word got it?
        Roger Roger

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Porkins ate half their rations

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In war there good people on both sides that die needless deaths, the problem is that Lucas doesn't really show this. This is a violation of the "show don't tell" rule of storytelling. The main separatists that we see are cartoonishly evil supervillains like Darth Tyranus and General Grievous.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Heroes on BOTH sides
    read that, and left the cinema

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't you know that the Republic were the bad guys and the Separatists were the good guys?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uhhh CIS bros? How do we respond?

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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      General Grievous was evil even in the stuff where he was competent, just look up the bombing of Humbarine. There were still a lot of Separatists on the ground who just hated how evil the Republic was.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RotS is pure kino and nothing will change that.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None of the Star Wars movies are as good as Hidden Fortress (the movie that inspired Lucas to make Star Wars).

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gennedy/EU Grievous
    >Noble and honourable warrior, hero to his people fighting against genocidal bugs who were funded and supported by the republic
    >turned into a cybernetic nightmare against his will holding the republic responsible for a botched assassination attempt when it was a CIS psyop
    >parallels to Vader
    >has valid and understandable reasons as to why he wants the republic to fall
    >hyper competent and deadly killer, never flees from a confrontation unless making a tactical retreat
    >cold and calculating voice to accompany his title of general
    >missing since 2003
    ROTS/Clone Wars Grievous
    >moustache twirling evil bad guy who hates the republic for unknown reasons and willingly turned himself into a cyborg
    >coward who can’t fight to save his life and runs from every confrontation, jobs to Ventress, Ashoka and fricking gungans
    >funny Russian accent who cackles maniacally to remind the audience he’s evil
    >at large
    DO NOT FALL FOR LUCAS’ LIES

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Noble and honourable warrior
      In no reality is EU Grievous noble and honorable. Competent, sure, but he's a complete psychopath.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He only becomes psychotic in the old EU after nearly being assassinated and having no choice but to become a cybernetic monstrosity in order to survive, before that he was fighting his ass off 24/7 to try and keep his race from being exterminated by a bunch of genocidal insects.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Kaleesh were equally a bunch of shitters, the entire planet was just petty warlords fighting each other. Putting that aside, he genocides multiple planets as Supreme Commander. He's completely evil.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Remember that time a Jedi general bombarded a CIS ecumenopolis and killed like 60 billion people to destroy a superweapon, and wasn't charged with anything by the Senate or kicked out of the Jedi?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't remember that one.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >HE LIBERATED PLANETS FROM REPUBLIC TYRANNY IS WHAT HE DID! HE WAS A GREAT KALEESH WARRIOR AND IN THIS HOUSE GRIEVOUS IS A HERO! END OF STORY!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            didnt he have his memories altered and have cybernetics in his brain installed to make him more unhinged

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't the Separatists more in the right than the Republic?
    The reason the entire movement started was because the Republic were corrupt butthole that fricked everyone over. Which reminds me, why the frick were the jedi fighting for the republic as a personal army?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Jedi had a bunch of ancient treaties and oaths that bound them to the Republic permanently, the only way they’d side against the GR is if the Republic tried to wipe their organization out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The CIS were headed by megacorporations whose cruelty would make the robber barons of the early 20th century blush. Then it turns out Count Dooku is a Sith. Whether the Republic was corrupt or not, the Jedi were not going to fight for the CIS.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wasn't the Separatists more in the right than the Republic?
    >The reason the entire movement started was because the Republic were corrupt butthole that fricked everyone over. Which reminds me, why the frick were the jedi fighting for the republic as a personal army?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      source on that picture haha?

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was Yoda the single most awful Master yedi to exist? He failed at EVERYTHING he was suppose to do, and then when he failed he just went into hiding and doing nothing to try and fix what happened.
    He was not even a good fighter was Mace Windu was way better at combat than him.

    So why was Yoda even the master yedi?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>So why was Yoda even the master yedi?
      He knew how to shoot lighting even after turning into a force ghost.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really wish Qui-gon lived and took over the Dooku role

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ESL shit

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The opening battle was so confusing, I couldn't tell who was attacking who.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was very dense, there was so much going on.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if Legends or Disney canon explain it but, it seems like the Rebel Alliance should be built on the back of what remained of the separatist movement. As even if the droid armies get dedicated and the leadership killed by anon, the sentiment must still be there and non-droid forces still in play.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Rebel Alliance uses decommissioned CIS ships in both Legends and Disney stuff but why would they be the remnants of the CIS? They're the Alliance to RESTORE the REPUBLIC.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't the Rebel Alliance founded not long before ANW starts through the merger of several groups? I think the point is the the earliest stages of Galactic Rebellion that snowballed to be under the banner of the Rebel Alliance (to Restore the Republic) would have its roots in remnants of the CIS.

        I don't know if Legends or Disney canon explain it but, it seems like the Rebel Alliance should be built on the back of what remained of the separatist movement. As even if the droid armies get dedicated and the leadership killed by anon, the sentiment must still be there and non-droid forces still in play.

        I imagine if you were to apply some real-world academic approach then historians would say is a vague transition period where you go from aftermath of the Clone Wars and then the start of Galactic Civil War.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The merger of several groups that were hardcore Republic loyalists and were simply appalled at the Republic becoming an Empire. Garm Bel Iblis, Mon Mothma, and Bail Organa were all Republic senators. I think Andor mentions an offhand CIS faction that contributes a bit but by and large the founders of the Rebel Alliance just wanted to go back to the Republic. I doubt they'd look too kindly on the CIS just because they don't like the Empire, especially considering the CIS was led by the exact type of corps Mon Mothma and Bail probably despised.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They're the Alliance to RESTORE the REPUBLIC
        They really shouldn't be, the Republic is a failed institution.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vader and the Empire basically genocided or enslaved all that was left of the Confederation. Literally that whole race of bug people from the Attack of the Clones is genocided until only 1 guy is left.

      Bet Senator Jar Jar Binks himself sent all the members of the spave banker race to the gas chambers.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How did Lord Sidious manipulate Anikan with Jedi Mind Tricks if those are powers by the way of the Jedi

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really there should have been some neo-separatist movement.
    >The Empire has been defeated? Great. Join the New Republic? No. The Republic was shit and the Empire was born from the Republic; the New Republic is just the Republic and Empire under a new name. What are you going to do if we say no, subjugate us through military force? Very Imperial of you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most of the planets who joined the New Republic like Sullust were aligned with the CIS but saw the New Republic was doing things differently. I dunno how it is in canon but after the New Republic formed any planet who didn't want to join didn't have to. They mostly did eventually because being independent and left out of the money making machine that was the New Republic after they liberated the core worlds was moronic.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tales of the Empire shows the NR trying to arrest a planetary governer and incorporate it into the NR despite being an independent system.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This would've happened had we had Lucas at the helm.
      Obviously nuwars was all peachy keen until those dastardly nazi white supremacists came and FOR NO REASON started destroying planets

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Heroes on BOTH sides? What?
    It's simple. Anakin was a hero when he was a jedi, and he was also a hero when he switched sides to prevent the murderous Mace Windu from executing sweet old Grampy Palps without trial.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The CIS did nothing wrong.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both.
    - Some fighters on the seperatist's side are fighting to seize the political and financial center of the galaxy for power
    - Some fighters on the seperatist's side are fighting Republic corruption
    - Some fighters on the Republic's side are fighting what they percieve as unwarranted aggression from the Seperatists
    - Some fighters on the Republic's side are fighting to keep the corrupt status quo

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Palpatine was right.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nustarshit is so ugly now, everything from the costumes, sets and extras look so amateurish

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bo looks cute ngl

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There seems like that could be something interesting in what do the CIS supporters do and think after the war is lost, the Empire rises and the New Republic gets formed. Though I am guessing none of the shows do anything like that and that 'joke' is the only time they ever touched upon the idea.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like how Battlefront 2 played with the idea.

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  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You've had 20 years to puzzle this out, bud.
    Think about it.
    Think about what the series has established up to that point.
    >republic is corrupt
    >dooku is pretending to be a political idealist

    Why wouldn't there be heroes on both sides?

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even in canon the Republic was so lazy, shitty and corrupt that Palpatine had to intervene against the Seperatists multiple times so they woudn't blitz straight to Coruscant.

    The Jedi were pretty much useless in the old eu and were getting massacred , explaining why the Jedi purge was much easier. The clone wars real life parallel as the American civil war makes perfect sense , because you have heroic morons charging and fighting with laser swords against asuper advanced automated droid armies, like Pickets charge at Gettysburg. In the cross-sections and guide to warfare its stated that the seperatists were building entire automated warships and fighters as well as creating electronic warfare systems. The seperatists also had deep space war factories and stations, something which the Rebel Alliance did not have.

    There is so much background lore in SW that is actualy thought out sci-fi that makes the Jedi look entirely ridiculous in comparison. But unfortunately the Jedi vs Sith take the spotlight because of Lucas "its the force, I ain't gotta explain that shit" schtick.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >War!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we're mad. mad about tax!
    ok
    >so mad in fact that we're going to blockade this random backwater swamp planet!
    But why? Was Palpatine keikakuing even then that making Naboo the centre of the conflict would bring Anakin and Padme together in such a way that he could leverage her against him? How many Ds of chess was he playing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Palpatine knew Jar Jar was the key to all this. Without Jar Jar, he would have never gotten the power to execute all the Jedi.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But why? Was Palpatine keikakuing even then that making Naboo the centre of the conflict would bring Anakin and Padme together in such a way that he could leverage her against him? How many Ds of chess was he playing?
      In the movie I don't think a specific reason is given for why they've chosen Naboo. I always saw Palpatine choosing Naboo as twofold: one, he's the senator from there which means he has a reason to be in Amidala's ear when she arrives for the vote of no confidence. Two, it makes the Trade Federation look like shit because by all appearances Naboo is a peaceful world that doesn't cause trouble.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Palpatine was the senator from Naboo, blockading it gave him enough support from the anti-corporatist side in the senate to make him chancelor. Its explained in the Phantom Menace that Valorum wasn't in fact corrupt but more of a useless bureaucrat and a mediator, this is why Palpatine had to take him out and push the systems angry at the Trade Federation to support him. Also the fact that mega-corporations were repressented in the Senate , was already pushing the already corrupt Republic to the limit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Naboo is, apart from being of personal significance to palpatine, a planet which is wholly dependent on trade, goods moving in and out, ergo what the trade federation does for a living.

      Trade federation, by their efforts, keep the system running and keep planets like naboo from starving, effectively allowing them to hyper focus on luxury goods extraction and enabling them an opulent lifestyle.

      Naboo's apparent sole resource is the blue plasma that gungans use for everything, and it's the stuff in the pipes under theed.
      Ergo naboo is a mining colony.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Say Dooku goes renegade from Palpatine, does the CIS win? Without them puppeteering the conflict it seems like the CIS should be able to overwhelm the Republic by the sheer number of droids.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

      The only reason this does not happen is because force users have traditionaly not trusted droids and artificial intelligence, considering it a lesser tool to achieve their ends. So this is the explanation for the ordering of the clones by Plagueis/Palpatine. This is at least hinted in the EU.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are Jedi such racists against droids? I mean sure they’re idiots in general, but there are literally force sensitive droids aren’t there? I mean what the hell is R2 supposed to be then

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but there are literally force sensitive droids aren’t there?
          Nope, only biological creatures have midichlorians and thus only they can be force-sensitive.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Look, you simply aren't a Star Wars fan unless you believe that r2d2 is an agent of the force, however unwittingly

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Trade Federation
    >let's use machines to fight our war to minimise the loss of life
    Republic
    >let's throw wave after wave of living thinking human being into the meat grinder, they're expendable because they were born in tubes

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never understand why people get hung up on this. It’s merely stating there are warriors of great renown and prowess fighting for each power. It’s meant to evoke the image of like Anakin chopping through dudes effortlessly like a musou until he encounters the enemy hero character Dooku or whatever

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do any of the cartoons or live action shows show the separatists, either as a movement or individuals within it, positively?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funnily enough despite how much Gennedygays scream how 2003 was based it portrayed the CIS as faceless evil villains. TCW actually showed the politics and portrayed some decent people in the CIS that got fricked over by the republic

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      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's also the only episode where the CiS is portrayed in a more positive light. Throughout the rest of the series their one dimensional villains who exist solely to have their dastardly plans foiled until next week's episode.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you guys have to pretend you’re newly offended over something someone else told you to be offended by over a decade ago, that beforehand you had already completely understood and had no issue with.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >RLM invented hating the shitquels and before then everyone loved them
      >people who think they arent shit don't just think that because they associate them with the cartoons that actually had plots and character development.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I didn’t say that, I’m saying you weren’t too stupid to understand it back then, but you’re making yourself stupid now while pretending like you’re not copying an old video from 2013 or some shit. You guys all played Battlefront 2 just fine, you know Dooku and Grevious are great warriors who find their own motives virtuous, and are virtuous in the eyes of others, so why do you have to turn yourself stupid now just to force some old stab at the series

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who are the heroes? The robots controlled by Chinese space israelites or the clones who were made and controlled by the space cult of virgin child abductors.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The robots are real human beans

      Or are you implying that r2d2 lacks a soul somehow

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >republic is crumbling
    if you say so George

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >homies talking about Clone Wars/TPM politics
    None of you get it because you're secondaries that only watched the movies.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hahaha you cartoon guys are ridiculous

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cartoon
        Funny.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Haha you really do crack me up

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His "i'm gonna make the next Illiad" plan stop there

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Separatists are really an ideological precursor to the rebellion. The only difference is that the Separatists leadership was controlled opposition. It makes sense that there were plenty of good people fighting for the Separatists.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >literally lead by a sith
      You know, it would have been interesting if Dooku wasn't a sith. Like you the audience would assume he was, you'd be tricked alongside Anakin and Obi Wan. But then it turns out that, nah, he just hates what the Republic has turned into.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Republic was lead by Sith as well.

        It just means that societal corruption was so severe pseudo israelites like the sith rose to the top like scum in a soup

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you view Dooku as a jedi supremacist and aristocrat it makes sense.
        He really thought he was hot shit and that the jedi could come out on top in this way, the republic being weak and the jedis fools for not realizing the Sith plans.

        Obviously he was looking to supplant Palpatine at some point and rule as a CIS overlord while simultaneously making choice jedis his friends

        He never displays any overt dark side things like the eyes and stuff either

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed. All this supplemental content and there's barely anything showing people with legitimate greivances fighting for the Separatist Alliance. Hell the Empire gets more sympathetic characters despite being the psychos whose grand plan was blow up any planet that fights back.

      >literally lead by a sith
      You know, it would have been interesting if Dooku wasn't a sith. Like you the audience would assume he was, you'd be tricked alongside Anakin and Obi Wan. But then it turns out that, nah, he just hates what the Republic has turned into.

      As a kid I always assumed that Dooku wasn't a real Sith because I only watched the movies and he didn't have the very prominent yellow eyes the prequels made a big deal about in every other Sith.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "No, no, no I'm afraid not master Jedi. This is The Revenge of the Sith"

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the last true star wars film

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Count Dooku was merely a hero to the supporters of the Separatists who sensed the direction the Republic was taking and were fooled into following a Sith Lord. But I miss the old Lucas criticism. Refreshing from the constant Disney ones you see lately.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dooku was a good guy
    Or it could use a different meaning of hero, one not related to his moral standing than it would be Dooku and Grievous

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He means it in the Classical sense. A more colloquial term would be 'champions'

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    B1s are more endearing than the clones.

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