The church burning incident is fictional, it was taken from something the Einsatzgruppen did in Poland in WWII. That said, the American revolution in the south was a lot meaner and uglier than it was in New England, and it had more of the characteristics of a civil war. Also Banastre Tarleton really was accused of some questionable war crime type stuff.
>it was taken from something the Einsatzgruppen did in Poland in WWII
France and not Einsatzgruppen but SS. >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre
>Germans are widely known for swift and unrepenting justice >they are widely known for collective punishment of villages for resistance type behavior since WWI and before >French village captures and burns a decorated German officer
Nooooo don't do this, who could have predicted the consequences for our actions!!
You have Nazi obsession brainrot.
This has been culture of ethnic Germans since the Prussian empire.
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Anonymous
Ridiculousness of that statement aside, Prussia was never an empire to begin with
You have a paradox games & /misc/ infographics instead of knowledge brain rot
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Anonymous
Christ, Kingdom/Empire, please forgive my ignorance of the semantics thou learned one. It was half the size of the HRE. And the Prussians WERE known for swift military retribution.
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Anonymous
>the difference between kingdom and empire is just semantics dude
your brain on /misc/spics historical knowledge >half of HRE
hardly so
3 months ago
Anonymous
You fucking know what I meant and the designation of what type of governing body fit Prussia was hardly the point of my statement, you autist.
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By assuming they were an empire you are grossly exaggerating pre-19th century's prussia's influence on culture of the rest of today's germany, which may fit your browncel fantasies but has hardly anything to do with reality.
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And what, exactly does that have to do with ethnic Germans having a reputation for excessive and collective retribution during both world wars?
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Anonymous
You said 'justice' not 'retribution'. I suggest you go back to Duolinguo.
This massacre and that faggy fucking documentary from the 70s that waxes some gay poem about it both deserve to be forgotten. I only wish the Germans had killed more of these contemptuous 'people'.
As stated by the author there are no published sources from around then but even if treated as a ballpark figure ~500k isnt insignificant
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/
Any Englishman who actually gets butthurt at this movie needs to shut up and just roll with the villain role, it's actually a hilarious trope and I fully embrace it.
Total Yankee Death, burned 6 gorillion Colonial Working Class Scum to death. God save the King!
George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, Cleopatra.
All the greatest leaders in the history had one thing in common. They refused to wear chin diapers or face shields.
If we were to take the entire 10,000-year history of humanity into consideration then the two absolute worst groups of people to ever exist would be the Brits and the Germans, with the Germans being slightly ahead. Them being portrayed as the villains in television, film and other mediums is simply a case of creators being redpilled.
It was no accident that, when making Star Wars, Lucas made sure that every Imperial with a speaking line had a british accent and the organization as a whole was largely inspired by the Nazis.
Okay, then we can agree that you can live as a 17th century peasant and you have all free reign to shit talk British and Germans and I won't make fun of you
German makes scientific and philosophical discoveries solely as a means to attack Europe and its people.
If it is unable to attack them directly, it will instead make up retarded ideologies to weaken them.
There has to be the 'Finally Solution' against the Europe's eternal enemies.
Brazillians had nothing to do with the invention of the airplane.
Americans during that era were almost entirely British/German mix ethnicity so interpret that how you see fit.
>Brazillians had nothing to do with the invention of the airplane. >who was Alberto Santos-Dumont
kys >Americans are akshully british >posted in Patriot thread
kys
>canned food
Retard, preserved food has been a thing longer than Britfagland has existed. >photography
Invented by a frenchman >first powered airship
Chinese had balloons for centuries prior to that. >cinema
again, frenchmen >radio
literally discovered by accident, anyone could have stumbled upon that. >nuclear power plant
Americans did it first.
Can you just kill yourself yourself and die?
no because he considers the colonists unruly children in need of a good spanking to bring them back in line and he is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve that.
English a shit.
Probably due to their awful food and horrible smelling women.
Seriously, British women, they sell this stuff called SOAP. You can buy it cheap in most stores, you use it with water to clean your skin and get less smelly. Try it sometime!
>Muh genetics
I'll spoil it for you, your grandmother was a smelly cunt and her grandmother was as well. Going back eons all British "people" should have been forcibly washed. It's honestly extremely telling that even the fucking French are more cleanly than the English.
>Brits still cause endless amount of seeth today despite being a second tier country at best
Lol, lmao even. The amount of obsession shitskins have against us is unreal. Literally rent free.
Jason Isaac's Tavington in The Patriot and Tim Roth's Archibald Cunningham (Rob Roy) are the 2 best depictions of an English villain. Both cultured and aristocratic yet they're no cowards. They're quite willing to fight and kill while being complete bastards.
I really liked Tavington's retort about "Why wait?" after Gibson's Benjamin Martin promises to kill him before the war is over. Tavington was going to throw down right then and there.
>Rob Roy
just watched this on MovieClips, god what a bunch of obnoxious fags scottish are, living in the equivalent of mud huts. English should just get it over with
There's so many fucking conflicts in the 18th and early 19th century that deserve well-written big-budget productions with talented actors.
- War of the Spanish Succession. Especially from the POV of Eugene of Savoy and the Austrians since they're always overlooked in the English-speaking world in favor of Marlborough (whom I respect a lot but the British needed Eugene)
- The East India Company's campaigns. Especially Robert Clive's machinations leading up to the Battle of Plassey and how a corporation obtained the revenue rights to the wealthiest part of Mughal India. And of course the Anglo-Maratha and Anglo-Mysore wars. Or the Anglo-Nepalese War. Hell the First Anglo-Burmese War is full of kino moments.
- Seven Years' War: Frederick the Great turning his backwater kingdom into a major power needs to be made
- Of course the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars but honestly, it would cost a fuckton of money, costuming, extras, etc. to do it justice. It's over 23 years of warfare in Europe, the Caribbean, etc.
And if we want non-European conflicts, the 1765–1767 Siamese-Burmese War and the fall of one of the most glorious cities of Asia, Ayutthaya and how a Siamese nobleman managed to reunify Siam and expelled Burmese occupation would be glorious.
>- War of the Spanish Succession. Especially from the POV of Eugene of Savoy and the Austrians since they're always overlooked in the English-speaking world in favor of Marlborough (whom I respect a lot but the British needed Eugene)
Give me a quick rundown, oh , knowledgeable one. >t.brainlet
Basically, Charles II, the King of Spain died and there were 2 possible heirs that were related to him. 1 was from the Habsburg side based in Austria (where it originated from) and the other, the Bourbon, the ruling dynasty of France at that time. Spain would be a MASSIVE inheritance (Belgium, Italian possessions, Philippines, Spanish Americas, and Spain itself). When Charles II died, his will left everything to the French candidate, Philippe (who would become Philip V of Spain) whom his father, Louis the Sun King (yes that king) insisted that his son retain his French succession to the throne while taking up the crown of Spain. The British, Dutch, and Austrians couldn't accept this because it would unite France and Spain into a VERY powerful unit.
When the war broke out, the French armies were already well-versed due to the earlier Nine Years' War, but Marlborough thwarted him in the Low Countries while Eugene of Savoy dealt with Louis' French commanders in Italy. So the French decided to strike at Austria to take away their major continental opponent. Marlborough and Eugene coordinated to meet at Blenheim in southern Germany. There, the French were supposed to link up with their Bavarian allies.
When all 4 armies met, the combined Austrian-British force split the Franco-Bavarian army in two, compelling the southern contingent against the river and forced them to surrender. 18 generals including the French commander were captured. Marlborough of course played a crucial role in this battle, but he also had the help from his ally, Eugene who was a god-tier general whom even Napoleon greatly admired. The myth of French invincibility was broken and it was a major turning point of the war despite it going on for several years because Louis refused to give up.
After Blenheim, Marlborough won at Ramilles and kicked the French garrisons out of Belgium. Meanwhile Eugene triumphed at Turin and chased them out of Italy. However, the French army showed remarkable staying power and at Malplaquet in 1709, it inflicted 40,000 casualties on Marlborough and Eugene's armies despite the fact it was their victory. This battle eventually helped give the French some breathing space and eventually in peace negotiation that followed (the British government had a change in office due to the shocking deaths from Malplaquet), Philip V was recognized as King of Spain, but France and Spain would never join politically which was the whole damned point of the war. A descendant of Philip V still heads the monarchy of Spain so the Spanish Succession was a massive fucking waste of manpower and treasure.
tl;dr - Marlborough and Eugene were the duo that thwarted French dominance in the continent and taking over all of Spain's possessions. Neither one could have accomplished the political and military objectives without each other's support. John Churchill gets plenty of press (thanks to his descendant, Winston), but Eugene deserves his role in the spotlight in a major movie or TV show.
The problem is not even that they tried to conquer the world once, pretty based to begin with. The problem is they act as massive hypocrites when the shit hits the fan over their side.
For example, they like to portray nazi germany and germans as evil and make fun of them but if a poojet,chinese,muslin do the same tjhey act as jesus christ being attacked by the pharises
it makes sense because english are just next level germans
I can’t believe the British wiped out entire towns of innocent civilians during the revolutionary war. History is brutal
The church burning incident is fictional, it was taken from something the Einsatzgruppen did in Poland in WWII. That said, the American revolution in the south was a lot meaner and uglier than it was in New England, and it had more of the characteristics of a civil war. Also Banastre Tarleton really was accused of some questionable war crime type stuff.
>it was taken from something the Einsatzgruppen did in Poland in WWII
France and not Einsatzgruppen but SS.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre
lmao they burned a soldier alive, nothing of value was lost
ESL
>Germans are widely known for swift and unrepenting justice
>they are widely known for collective punishment of villages for resistance type behavior since WWI and before
>French village captures and burns a decorated German officer
Nooooo don't do this, who could have predicted the consequences for our actions!!
are widely known for swift and unrepenting justice
>justice
>widely known for
You have Nazi obsession brainrot.
This has been culture of ethnic Germans since the Prussian empire.
Ridiculousness of that statement aside, Prussia was never an empire to begin with
You have a paradox games & /misc/ infographics instead of knowledge brain rot
Christ, Kingdom/Empire, please forgive my ignorance of the semantics thou learned one. It was half the size of the HRE. And the Prussians WERE known for swift military retribution.
>the difference between kingdom and empire is just semantics dude
your brain on /misc/spics historical knowledge
>half of HRE
hardly so
You fucking know what I meant and the designation of what type of governing body fit Prussia was hardly the point of my statement, you autist.
By assuming they were an empire you are grossly exaggerating pre-19th century's prussia's influence on culture of the rest of today's germany, which may fit your browncel fantasies but has hardly anything to do with reality.
And what, exactly does that have to do with ethnic Germans having a reputation for excessive and collective retribution during both world wars?
You said 'justice' not 'retribution'. I suggest you go back to Duolinguo.
Hello retard
No argument kys kike
Retribution would have been a more apt word.
Correct
>Commit partisan act
>Kvetch when you're punished
>burn officer alive
>surprised when his men come back pissed
Yeah dont care they deserved it
>people die in war
HOLY SHIT STOP THE PRESSES
This massacre and that faggy fucking documentary from the 70s that waxes some gay poem about it both deserve to be forgotten. I only wish the Germans had killed more of these contemptuous 'people'.
>Read about nazi "atrocities" on the ostfront
>Read the history of warfare in that region
>things you haven't actually done
The British burned a church during the Siege of Drogheda so it's not like they weren't adverse to these kind of atrocities.
And you're absolutely right about the South having way more nastiness. In fact, British officers complained how savage some of the Loyalists were.
That's actually how it works irl.
can confirm, im english and know a lot of english people and theyre all comically evil.
>Mel Gibson's character is good because... his black slaves are freedmen
the amount of cooning for blacks in this film is unreal
Blacks really were pretty active participants in the Patriot side, years of liberal historiography have tried to erase that.
There weren't a lot of black slaves in 1776
As stated by the author there are no published sources from around then but even if treated as a ballpark figure ~500k isnt insignificant
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/
By patriot you mean english loyalist right?
10/10 villain, would bang
Any Englishman who actually gets butthurt at this movie needs to shut up and just roll with the villain role, it's actually a hilarious trope and I fully embrace it.
Total Yankee Death, burned 6 gorillion Colonial Working Class Scum to death. God save the King!
based
basado
GOD SAVE THE KING!
Brits are unironically israelite-tier evil
>How dare they make fun of our precious, precious Irish for being violent and stupid!
Shut the fuck up yankoid.
fuck off history nerds this is a shitposting thread
I'm vaccinated
I'm also vaccinated, boosted too.
George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, Cleopatra.
All the greatest leaders in the history had one thing in common. They refused to wear chin diapers or face shields.
Were YOU on the right side of history?
>Cleopatra
>greatest leaders in history
Oh no no no
If JFK wore a back-of-head shield maybe he would still be alive though
If we were to take the entire 10,000-year history of humanity into consideration then the two absolute worst groups of people to ever exist would be the Brits and the Germans, with the Germans being slightly ahead. Them being portrayed as the villains in television, film and other mediums is simply a case of creators being redpilled.
It was no accident that, when making Star Wars, Lucas made sure that every Imperial with a speaking line had a british accent and the organization as a whole was largely inspired by the Nazis.
Find me a single important invention that was not invented or improved upon by a Brit or German.
Vaccines. In general, not the covid one.
Edward Jenner, British
Anything invented prior to the 1700s. From ships to masonry.
Okay, then we can agree that you can live as a 17th century peasant and you have all free reign to shit talk British and Germans and I won't make fun of you
German makes scientific and philosophical discoveries solely as a means to attack Europe and its people.
If it is unable to attack them directly, it will instead make up retarded ideologies to weaken them.
There has to be the 'Finally Solution' against the Europe's eternal enemies.
This is the mindset of the Brazillianoid, words pounded upon the keyboard in between screeches and motor scooter robberies.
fucking aeroplanes
invented by Americans/Brazilian
improved by Americans mostly
Brazillians had nothing to do with the invention of the airplane.
Americans during that era were almost entirely British/German mix ethnicity so interpret that how you see fit.
>Brazillians had nothing to do with the invention of the airplane.
>who was Alberto Santos-Dumont
kys
>Americans are akshully british
>posted in Patriot thread
kys
Submarine
Radio
Lightbulb
Rubber
canned food
photography
the first powered airship
cinema
radio
nuclear power plant
>canned food
Retard, preserved food has been a thing longer than Britfagland has existed.
>photography
Invented by a frenchman
>first powered airship
Chinese had balloons for centuries prior to that.
>cinema
again, frenchmen
>radio
literally discovered by accident, anyone could have stumbled upon that.
>nuclear power plant
Americans did it first.
Can you just kill yourself yourself and die?
>anyone could have stumbled upon that.
I think you might be retarded anon, you should get yourself checked
The nuclear bomb. Everyone involved in the making of it was excommunicated by the Germans.
The periodic table
no, I think you'll find that the israelite are the worst group of people throughout history
That church burning scene was stolen from Come and See huh?
it's an homage to The World at War movie
you're talking nonsense because there were many english but he was doing worse things
no because he considers the colonists unruly children in need of a good spanking to bring them back in line and he is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve that.
English a shit.
Probably due to their awful food and horrible smelling women.
Seriously, British women, they sell this stuff called SOAP. You can buy it cheap in most stores, you use it with water to clean your skin and get less smelly. Try it sometime!
>third world mutt that can't even trace his family back more than a generation
>Muh genetics
I'll spoil it for you, your grandmother was a smelly cunt and her grandmother was as well. Going back eons all British "people" should have been forcibly washed. It's honestly extremely telling that even the fucking French are more cleanly than the English.
>there will never, ever be a good film about the american revolution that isnt full of inaccuracies and anti-anglo
at least there's still Thomas Leroy
kino
>Brits still cause endless amount of seeth today despite being a second tier country at best
Lol, lmao even. The amount of obsession shitskins have against us is unreal. Literally rent free.
the english are fucking evil lmao, so glad they got BTFO by the only country with any essence of soul left (USA)
>revolted
>became allies afterwards
at least there was a happy ending
>DAE think English are le bad?
Sure is safe edgy in here
Jason Isaac's Tavington in The Patriot and Tim Roth's Archibald Cunningham (Rob Roy) are the 2 best depictions of an English villain. Both cultured and aristocratic yet they're no cowards. They're quite willing to fight and kill while being complete bastards.
I really liked Tavington's retort about "Why wait?" after Gibson's Benjamin Martin promises to kill him before the war is over. Tavington was going to throw down right then and there.
>Rob Roy
just watched this on MovieClips, god what a bunch of obnoxious fags scottish are, living in the equivalent of mud huts. English should just get it over with
What’s another war that deserves a Patriot-style adaptation? Imagine a Napoleon movie where everyone is dual wielding pistols and swords
There's so many fucking conflicts in the 18th and early 19th century that deserve well-written big-budget productions with talented actors.
- War of the Spanish Succession. Especially from the POV of Eugene of Savoy and the Austrians since they're always overlooked in the English-speaking world in favor of Marlborough (whom I respect a lot but the British needed Eugene)
- The East India Company's campaigns. Especially Robert Clive's machinations leading up to the Battle of Plassey and how a corporation obtained the revenue rights to the wealthiest part of Mughal India. And of course the Anglo-Maratha and Anglo-Mysore wars. Or the Anglo-Nepalese War. Hell the First Anglo-Burmese War is full of kino moments.
- Seven Years' War: Frederick the Great turning his backwater kingdom into a major power needs to be made
- Of course the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars but honestly, it would cost a fuckton of money, costuming, extras, etc. to do it justice. It's over 23 years of warfare in Europe, the Caribbean, etc.
And if we want non-European conflicts, the 1765–1767 Siamese-Burmese War and the fall of one of the most glorious cities of Asia, Ayutthaya and how a Siamese nobleman managed to reunify Siam and expelled Burmese occupation would be glorious.
>- War of the Spanish Succession. Especially from the POV of Eugene of Savoy and the Austrians since they're always overlooked in the English-speaking world in favor of Marlborough (whom I respect a lot but the British needed Eugene)
Give me a quick rundown, oh , knowledgeable one.
>t.brainlet
Basically, Charles II, the King of Spain died and there were 2 possible heirs that were related to him. 1 was from the Habsburg side based in Austria (where it originated from) and the other, the Bourbon, the ruling dynasty of France at that time. Spain would be a MASSIVE inheritance (Belgium, Italian possessions, Philippines, Spanish Americas, and Spain itself). When Charles II died, his will left everything to the French candidate, Philippe (who would become Philip V of Spain) whom his father, Louis the Sun King (yes that king) insisted that his son retain his French succession to the throne while taking up the crown of Spain. The British, Dutch, and Austrians couldn't accept this because it would unite France and Spain into a VERY powerful unit.
When the war broke out, the French armies were already well-versed due to the earlier Nine Years' War, but Marlborough thwarted him in the Low Countries while Eugene of Savoy dealt with Louis' French commanders in Italy. So the French decided to strike at Austria to take away their major continental opponent. Marlborough and Eugene coordinated to meet at Blenheim in southern Germany. There, the French were supposed to link up with their Bavarian allies.
When all 4 armies met, the combined Austrian-British force split the Franco-Bavarian army in two, compelling the southern contingent against the river and forced them to surrender. 18 generals including the French commander were captured. Marlborough of course played a crucial role in this battle, but he also had the help from his ally, Eugene who was a god-tier general whom even Napoleon greatly admired. The myth of French invincibility was broken and it was a major turning point of the war despite it going on for several years because Louis refused to give up.
Continued:
After Blenheim, Marlborough won at Ramilles and kicked the French garrisons out of Belgium. Meanwhile Eugene triumphed at Turin and chased them out of Italy. However, the French army showed remarkable staying power and at Malplaquet in 1709, it inflicted 40,000 casualties on Marlborough and Eugene's armies despite the fact it was their victory. This battle eventually helped give the French some breathing space and eventually in peace negotiation that followed (the British government had a change in office due to the shocking deaths from Malplaquet), Philip V was recognized as King of Spain, but France and Spain would never join politically which was the whole damned point of the war. A descendant of Philip V still heads the monarchy of Spain so the Spanish Succession was a massive fucking waste of manpower and treasure.
tl;dr - Marlborough and Eugene were the duo that thwarted French dominance in the continent and taking over all of Spain's possessions. Neither one could have accomplished the political and military objectives without each other's support. John Churchill gets plenty of press (thanks to his descendant, Winston), but Eugene deserves his role in the spotlight in a major movie or TV show.
Brits literally tried to take over the world. I don't understand why they act so shocked when people see them as villains.
nothing wrong with some world conquest, it's the lies and the perfidy people take issue with
The problem is not even that they tried to conquer the world once, pretty based to begin with. The problem is they act as massive hypocrites when the shit hits the fan over their side.
For example, they like to portray nazi germany and germans as evil and make fun of them but if a poojet,chinese,muslin do the same tjhey act as jesus christ being attacked by the pharises
>he's comically evil because... he's israeli
The Patriot is ridiculous feel good amerikeh HOORAH bullshit, but the eternal anglo is also a real thing. unironically napoleon was right.
anglos are evil but usually the based kind of evil
Why didn't they just all collectively spit on the fire once it started? They could have save themselves if they really tried
That checks out. (Real.)