This. Plus they were both conventionally attractive, neither of had purple hair and a sideshave, and they weren't making it a point "against the patriarchy" or "the sexual heteronormality".
A piece of media having a point of view, even one I don't necessarily agree with, isn't the problem. The problem is when delivering a message takes priority over storytelling and characterization.
The show was always talking about controversial things , but it was more subtle I guess you could say, like that episode of next gen where the androgynous person wanted to be a chick
"Cinemaphile culture" permeated the mainstream.
in fact, right-wing think thank extreme talking points get shilled here and after permeate mainstream.
quite fascinating really.
Easy there cowboy, you're saying some pretty racist and sexist things right now. Let me see here, I hope you feel bad for all the... "young men you'll be saving from cutting off their genitals in a tornado of sexual lust and bad choices"
it's that attitude that turns tolerant people into completely intolerant.
I'm fine with it being in some shows, I can avoid it but when it's everywhere its different.
the problem with the LGBTQ thing is they want total acceptance but that will never be possible, tolerance is but even the tolerant have their limits and trying to goad them doesn't do LGBTQ many favors.
you think the push back now is bad, it's only just beginning
>Entertainment in an entertainment medium
Vs >Be told with upmost passion, creativity and sincerity that you deserve spiritual, mental torment and re-education for not being born gay and black at a time when social tensions are high in an entertainment medium
There's a world of difference between having a sci fi setting based on leftist ideals, and having a sci fi show where the characters end up in the modern day for no reason at all other than to yell "Nooo, fascism!!!! immigration good, Orange Man Bad!!!"
These disingenuous little shits KNOW there’s a huge fricking difference between good writing and bad.
DS9 >use of allegory >the relationship was pivotal to the plot
Discovery/Picard/Strange New Worlds >hi I’m a writer! >I’m also a woman, and gay! >you got a problem with that? >LOOK at these two characters kissing LOOK LOOK >and LOOK at how poorly they’re treated, because I’m really writing about YOU. Yes, YOU! You are BAD! >omg why is no1 watching my dogshit
Star Trek was always notably full of progressive themes and characters. That isn't the problem. The problem with modern Star Trek is that the writers are talentless morons who write shit like this.
a one episode thing vs gay doctors on going romance on discovery.
you can write off one bad episode a few seasons in, especially one that's never mention again.
DS9 was cool and all but was rather pozzed, in fact Kira ruins the show for me and she's the reason I never ever will rewatch it, while TNG is timeless
Why does everyone try to twist what woke means? Old ST wasn't woke, it was progressive. I even see ppl now saying that only altrighters even use the word woke, distancing themselves from it.
They know EXACTLY what they’re doing. It’s the oldest trick in the book played by children. >but, but Billy did it and you LIKED it! >Billy throws newspapers on my doorstep. You throw newspapers to break my windows you nasty little shit
TOS was more fixated on issues like nuclear war and the cold war. That's what the media propaganda was at the time. Today the media propaganda is everything is about race - gender. It was the liberals who opened this pandoras box and now they complain 'chuds' are making everything about race and gender. No it was the liberal media that did that.
progressive politics of star trek >get over your differences unite for common purpose, colonize/explore space
woke >your differences are all that matter. focus on them with every fiber of your being. everyone else is oppressing you.
Lesbians are not woke.
They only exist to please the male audience.
What about this?
Non consensual for both parties
that exists to please Shatner since he wrote this scene
Nothing wrong with banging black chicks. Touch ass.
Based space colonizer.
white male fricking black women is okay
~~*white*~~ btw
White man conquering aliens and foreign cultures is based and not woke. Literally just healthy male fantasy.
>mind raped into into it
>presented as wrong within the context of the show
Thanks for playing.
These people will never reach a consensus on whether shit like this is empowering or male gaze.
na, its not woke, no one thinks it is
correct , incels like hot lesbians. STD is toxic wokism.
>called STD
>is pozzed
This. Plus they were both conventionally attractive, neither of had purple hair and a sideshave, and they weren't making it a point "against the patriarchy" or "the sexual heteronormality".
it's accepted now, because it was woke then,
karens
New Star Trek isnt too woke. Its simply just shit. Woke things can still be good.
Also I skipped all Dax episodes because they suck
>New Star Trek isnt too woke.
Yes it is
No. Its too blatantly and unapologetically and stupidly woke. Because its shit.
yeah but those women are hot and not ugly trannies
The problem isn't being 'woke', like he's said, its a woke franchise from the start.
The problem is the lack of optimistic spirit.
Progressive is not the same thing as "woke". Progressive is to woke as conservative is to "alt-right"
Yeah lot of left wing isn't about being woke we are about actual policy, I could care less about wokenes, they give us a bad name.
woke
>grooms kids on twitter and discord
you
>rapes kids irl
A piece of media having a point of view, even one I don't necessarily agree with, isn't the problem. The problem is when delivering a message takes priority over storytelling and characterization.
The show was always talking about controversial things , but it was more subtle I guess you could say, like that episode of next gen where the androgynous person wanted to be a chick
giwtwm
Those b***hes are fine tho
Mother fricker needs to learn his Trill lore
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The truth is mainstream sci fi will always be used to engineer the population and replace your vision of the future with theirs
>lipstick lesbians fetish vs. the discovery queer happy family propaganda
"Cinemaphile culture" permeated the mainstream.
in fact, right-wing think thank extreme talking points get shilled here and after permeate mainstream.
quite fascinating really.
>in fact, right-wing think thank extreme talking points get shilled here
its pretty easy now that you cant change your gender is a "right wing extremist talking point"
Easy there cowboy, you're saying some pretty racist and sexist things right now. Let me see here, I hope you feel bad for all the... "young men you'll be saving from cutting off their genitals in a tornado of sexual lust and bad choices"
Yeah. You think about that.
one wonders why do the right-wingers are so against the individual freedom over one's body.
not against it, just don't want to see it.
then close your eyes snowflake.
it's that attitude that turns tolerant people into completely intolerant.
I'm fine with it being in some shows, I can avoid it but when it's everywhere its different.
the problem with the LGBTQ thing is they want total acceptance but that will never be possible, tolerance is but even the tolerant have their limits and trying to goad them doesn't do LGBTQ many favors.
you think the push back now is bad, it's only just beginning
such a whiny homosexual.
is your tampon full?
>Entertainment in an entertainment medium
Vs
>Be told with upmost passion, creativity and sincerity that you deserve spiritual, mental torment and re-education for not being born gay and black at a time when social tensions are high in an entertainment medium
There's a world of difference between having a sci fi setting based on leftist ideals, and having a sci fi show where the characters end up in the modern day for no reason at all other than to yell "Nooo, fascism!!!! immigration good, Orange Man Bad!!!"
It’s only pozzed and woke if the lesbians are ugly or used for anything other than eye candy and sex appeal
Why do you think lesbians are overrepresented in medias?
They are a safe bet, satisfies both the coomer and the woke crowd at the same time.
That's not policy
These disingenuous little shits KNOW there’s a huge fricking difference between good writing and bad.
DS9
>use of allegory
>the relationship was pivotal to the plot
Discovery/Picard/Strange New Worlds
>hi I’m a writer!
>I’m also a woman, and gay!
>you got a problem with that?
>LOOK at these two characters kissing LOOK LOOK
>and LOOK at how poorly they’re treated, because I’m really writing about YOU. Yes, YOU! You are BAD!
>omg why is no1 watching my dogshit
old star trek was too woke
Star Trek was always notably full of progressive themes and characters. That isn't the problem. The problem with modern Star Trek is that the writers are talentless morons who write shit like this.
It used to be counter-culture, now its not. Is that hard to understand?
>women kissing is strong, empowering and progressive
>women kissing is also oppressive, objectifying and backwards
i hate society
a one episode thing vs gay doctors on going romance on discovery.
you can write off one bad episode a few seasons in, especially one that's never mention again.
>hot chicks making out
not woke
>ugly dykes TEARING DOWN THE PATRIARCHY YASSSSS KWEEEEEEENNNNN
woke
>IT'S NOT GAY IF BOTH CHICKS ARE HOT.
~ ancient proverb
>~ ancient proverb
This. I'm pretty sure I've seen this inscribed on an old Babylonian tablet. Though that might have been the precursor race
DS9 was cool and all but was rather pozzed, in fact Kira ruins the show for me and she's the reason I never ever will rewatch it, while TNG is timeless
Why does everyone try to twist what woke means? Old ST wasn't woke, it was progressive. I even see ppl now saying that only altrighters even use the word woke, distancing themselves from it.
They know EXACTLY what they’re doing. It’s the oldest trick in the book played by children.
>but, but Billy did it and you LIKED it!
>Billy throws newspapers on my doorstep. You throw newspapers to break my windows you nasty little shit
im 27 and never kissed a girl
3 more years, then wizard status.
I’m too woke.
TOS had multi culti cast and episodes about racism or misogyny. But you liked it because it was before you were brainwashed by /misc/.
TOS was more fixated on issues like nuclear war and the cold war. That's what the media propaganda was at the time. Today the media propaganda is everything is about race - gender. It was the liberals who opened this pandoras box and now they complain 'chuds' are making everything about race and gender. No it was the liberal media that did that.
Two WHITE women are allowed to kiss? Wow, so progressive...
progressive politics of star trek
>get over your differences unite for common purpose, colonize/explore space
woke
>your differences are all that matter. focus on them with every fiber of your being. everyone else is oppressing you.
a lot of lonely creepy incels in this thread damn
I have never watched Star Trek, só I do not care.
This is why I hate Star Trek. It appeals to the male fantasy.