>point of JP was the dinos went extinct for a reason and can't live alongside humans and be controlled >dominion's ending is the dinos all lived happily ever after with humans
Whether the asteroid or the ice age, those were forces of nature that only barely left ANY non-protozoan forms of life around. Dinosaurs weren't some pests or weeds that God decided get rid of. While Malcom has a theoretical point if you believe in the circular argument of "everything happens for a reason", that doesn't strictly mean that Jurassic Park as a story is pushing that as its main point.
That's not what Malcom says nor is it what he is implying.
He says over and over and over that the problem is hammond is too reckless with his technology and doesn't have the discipline to apply it correctly. Seriously, over and over. His whole chaos theory thing is all about that. Man cannot predict nor control nature even if he can guess a few steps ahead, and abusing unearned science is dangerous because the people using it do not understand its limits.
He talks a lot but it's not that complicated. Whether you agree or not, it's a simple position to understand. After all it was written by a dipshit, not an actual acclaimed rock star mathematician.
His entire opinion on why jurassic park would fail was, as simple as I can put it, hammond and co are just not qualified to attempt it. He even says that they didn't spend time actually researching and testing these creatures to learn about them BEFORE putting them in the park, to the point wu doesn't even know what the frick he's making until it's born.
I understand what he actually talks about the whole scene, but what I responded to was an implication to me that the "They had their chance" statement was the main argument and therefore that Malcolm was talking more about fate instead of common sense. If anything the best summary of his tangent is about branding, patenting, and creating merchandise based around something that's not even thoroughly tested or explored yet.
I agree thats its not complicated, which is why I was confused enough in the first place by someone applying logic that replaces environmental thinking with time/space thinking.
yeah the moral of JP1 was religious (do not try to create what god destroyed). but religion is taboo in Hollywood now, that's why new JPs struggle to have anything to say. plus their directors are fricking dumb
>dominion 's ending is the dinos all lived happily ever after with humans
Which is utterly moronic since, aside from the "bad dinos eat humans" thing, if just some weak and normally armless species like moles, rabbits etc... Managed to damages hugely some ecosystems they've invaded (es. Australia). I can't imagine what kind of catastrophic damages those gigantic beasts will be able to make, how many "weaker" species will go Extinct, how many natural damages they will makes..... Like, for frick sake, even Greta would say "guys... This is fricking stupid!!" of all people.
Before they showed anything about Dominion thats what i was hoping the film would be. Show the direct effect of Dinosaurs impact on humanity, but also what happens when you just introduce new species into an environment and how that fricks everything up.
That would’ve been funny. The movie used Richard kiley because the book mentioned Richard kiley. So it was like you can only pick one, either a callback to the book, or a joke about David
He lived out an infantile dream before learning the past should stay in the past. None of the sequel writers or filmmakers learned his lesson including Spielberg.
Was thinking about this the other day; why don't people just clone endangered species to help repopulate them, bros? It's been like 3 decades since they started fricking around cloning sheep, surely the process has been refined enough by now they could start popping out Bengal Tigers and whatnot to be plopped into national parks or whatever?
They're planning to but so far they're only talking about taking existint species and reverse engineer them to look closer to extinct species which is lame.
Cloning endangered species won't do much unless we first tackle whats causing the become endangered. Last time I checked, that specific starfish species will always eat more coral reefs than we could reasonably recover or plant. Same with trophy hunting and poaching, unless we just want to help the ivory/fur trades or oversaturate an area that's never seen that much of certain species before, which has its own issues. Its a nice thought but i doubt it would matter at the current moment.
Reminder the version of Hammond in the movie is completely inaccurate and basically the exact opposite of the original
In the original he is purely a villain who only cares about making money off of the park without regard for safety or its consequences and he hates his grandkids
He dies pathetically to some compys
Movie version is way more interesting. He has the air and appearance of a gentle old man, but he deliberately sent Malcolm's moron ex into a nightmare island just to lure him back. And if you took the vidya lore as canon then he practically evicted the native islanders and permanently ruined Nublar's ecosystem for his dinosaur safari.
I guess you could say that but it still muddies the whole point of the story as a cautionary tale. Hammond is the mastermind behind the park it's still basically all his fault but because he's just a well meaning nice old guy he gets to give one quip at the end of the movie and be forgiven meanwhile all of his workers get eaten...
>it still muddies the whole point of the story as a cautionary tale
It's arguably way more cautionary when the villain isn't some mustache twirling corporate man, but a nice old guy who just wants to entertain people. Then you can't argue 'oh, it'll work out when I clone my dinosaurs since I'm a good person motivated by good intentions!' because Hammond was a good person who had good intentions and fricked everything still
this. its objectivelyy a better story unless you're a mouth breathing moron who thinks nice guy = good guy. it's showing good intentions arent enough to be good.
He wasn't a villain who hates his grand kids. It'd portrayed more like he's in denial or something like that >no no this wasn't MY fault no no....i-it was Muldoons fault! Yes, he's a drunk!
He starts going deep into delusion when he gets eaten. And he gets RIGHTFULLY angry at the kids for fricking around with with sound system that got his foot broken and then later himself killed. You wouldn't be thinking about how much you love your grand kids after they break your foot and throw you down a hill. He's still more of an butthole in the book than the movie, but he's not the VILLAIN.
Also, you morons keep bringing this up but not the fact the movie has a totally different fricking plot and that the book is non stop survival across the entire island and grant and the kids stay lost for almost 3 days, not just a night.
OR, how the dinosaurs are just komodo dragons. Dumb lizards who smell bad and have poison bites, and that scene where the fricking t-rex who is NOT territorial and is actively hunting them down tries to use its forked lizard tongue to grab the kids. They should've just called the movie something else since it's literally just using like a chunk of the story about half way in and that's all it uses.
That would’ve been funny. The movie used Richard kiley because the book mentioned Richard kiley. So it was like you can only pick one, either a callback to the book, or a joke about David
It doesn't matter what the book said, they could've done anything they wanted >but the book specified!
It specified gillette shaving cream and the movie went with barbasol. It specified that gennaro and muldoon and harding survived while malcolm and hammond died.
Literally every single element could've changed. They got israelitely because they wanted him or he was the only one available, because they were not at all in ANY capacity restricted by the book
Youre not supposed to actually read the book, next time just assert your opinions as fact based on nothing. You forgot to bring up trannies too. Youre fitting in pretty poorly actually
>Mosasaur (lived in tropical seas) shown in the Bering sea >Dinosaurs living in cold, below freezing environments >hadrosaurs being wrangled by men on horses (these are 4 ton animals of pure muscle) >”monitor lizards can reproduce with pathogenesis therefore the biology of this vastly different reptile will also take on those traits because a few sections of monitor lizard DNA was used”
I could go on but I won’t
>>”monitor lizards can reproduce with pathogenesis therefore the biology of this vastly different reptile will also take on those traits because a few sections of monitor lizard DNA was used”
To be fair that asspull was established in JW1 with the Indominus >He has cuttlefish DNA so he can camouflage >He has raptor DNA so he...speaks raptor?
Doubtful considering he did the Lost World and that was a shitshow. If he was alive today, he'd probably give the old 'as long as the kids are having fun I'm fine with it speech' since he gets who these movies are meant for moreso than the basement dwellers who spend $100+ on nanmu figures
excellent, a renewable source of energy
>point of JP was the dinos went extinct for a reason and can't live alongside humans and be controlled
>dominion's ending is the dinos all lived happily ever after with humans
of JP was the dinos went extinct for a reason
No it wasn't
Whether the asteroid or the ice age, those were forces of nature that only barely left ANY non-protozoan forms of life around. Dinosaurs weren't some pests or weeds that God decided get rid of. While Malcom has a theoretical point if you believe in the circular argument of "everything happens for a reason", that doesn't strictly mean that Jurassic Park as a story is pushing that as its main point.
That's not what Malcom says nor is it what he is implying.
He says over and over and over that the problem is hammond is too reckless with his technology and doesn't have the discipline to apply it correctly. Seriously, over and over. His whole chaos theory thing is all about that. Man cannot predict nor control nature even if he can guess a few steps ahead, and abusing unearned science is dangerous because the people using it do not understand its limits.
He talks a lot but it's not that complicated. Whether you agree or not, it's a simple position to understand. After all it was written by a dipshit, not an actual acclaimed rock star mathematician.
His entire opinion on why jurassic park would fail was, as simple as I can put it, hammond and co are just not qualified to attempt it. He even says that they didn't spend time actually researching and testing these creatures to learn about them BEFORE putting them in the park, to the point wu doesn't even know what the frick he's making until it's born.
I understand what he actually talks about the whole scene, but what I responded to was an implication to me that the "They had their chance" statement was the main argument and therefore that Malcolm was talking more about fate instead of common sense. If anything the best summary of his tangent is about branding, patenting, and creating merchandise based around something that's not even thoroughly tested or explored yet.
I agree thats its not complicated, which is why I was confused enough in the first place by someone applying logic that replaces environmental thinking with time/space thinking.
>After all it was written by a dipshit, not an actual acclaimed rock star mathematician
Bold of you to claim the last Renaissance man to be a dipshit.
The point of Jurassic Park was that lawyers and fat people should be fed to dinosaurs
Itt is morons. The point of JP was for Spielberg to dunk on his peers in Hollywood, and to make a shitload of money. Which is his way.
yeah the moral of JP1 was religious (do not try to create what god destroyed). but religion is taboo in Hollywood now, that's why new JPs struggle to have anything to say. plus their directors are fricking dumb
They explicitly say it's about hubris in the fricking movie.
Nothing religious, not even close.
>dominion 's ending is the dinos all lived happily ever after with humans
Which is utterly moronic since, aside from the "bad dinos eat humans" thing, if just some weak and normally armless species like moles, rabbits etc... Managed to damages hugely some ecosystems they've invaded (es. Australia). I can't imagine what kind of catastrophic damages those gigantic beasts will be able to make, how many "weaker" species will go Extinct, how many natural damages they will makes..... Like, for frick sake, even Greta would say "guys... This is fricking stupid!!" of all people.
Before they showed anything about Dominion thats what i was hoping the film would be. Show the direct effect of Dinosaurs impact on humanity, but also what happens when you just introduce new species into an environment and how that fricks everything up.
Just found out David Attenborough is his brother.
I always thought he should have said, "we couldn't get the other guy" after he told them it was Richard Kiley on the tour video voice over.
That would’ve been funny. The movie used Richard kiley because the book mentioned Richard kiley. So it was like you can only pick one, either a callback to the book, or a joke about David
What would Muldoon do in the later movies if he survived the Clever Girl?
Test the fences for weaknesses systematically.
Cheetah speed
Squats
Lethal at 8 months. And I do mean lethal
Bro the frick out with Tembo.
Technically we never seen him die. He could have escaped and could make a comeback completely disfigured after the attack.
>doctor grant, i'm jurassic park
Be replaced by a black person
He lived out an infantile dream before learning the past should stay in the past. None of the sequel writers or filmmakers learned his lesson including Spielberg.
>science powerful enough to create human clones/bring any species back to life
>they just create dinosaurs
And what dumb creature would you bring back, genius?
Sabretooth Tiger.
Neanderthals so I can bang cave women, duh.
>so I can bang cave women, duh.
Just go to a third-world country, like the US.
you and cave women are a match made in heaven, the heaven where only people with Down syndrome are allowed
sounds based
I bet every meal is breakfast
Thylacine
Dodo birds. So I could eat them and see what all the hype was about.
Fricking hell.
Boys only want one thing (and it's fricking disgusting)
Anon, I...
Was thinking about this the other day; why don't people just clone endangered species to help repopulate them, bros? It's been like 3 decades since they started fricking around cloning sheep, surely the process has been refined enough by now they could start popping out Bengal Tigers and whatnot to be plopped into national parks or whatever?
They're planning to but so far they're only talking about taking existint species and reverse engineer them to look closer to extinct species which is lame.
Cloning endangered species won't do much unless we first tackle whats causing the become endangered. Last time I checked, that specific starfish species will always eat more coral reefs than we could reasonably recover or plant. Same with trophy hunting and poaching, unless we just want to help the ivory/fur trades or oversaturate an area that's never seen that much of certain species before, which has its own issues. Its a nice thought but i doubt it would matter at the current moment.
What's this again
Pewdiepie saying a bad word during a PUBG match.
You have no idea how moronic, dull and inefficient post-1970 science has been.
Yes.
cancergays BTFO!
Reminder the version of Hammond in the movie is completely inaccurate and basically the exact opposite of the original
In the original he is purely a villain who only cares about making money off of the park without regard for safety or its consequences and he hates his grandkids
He dies pathetically to some compys
Movie version is way more interesting. He has the air and appearance of a gentle old man, but he deliberately sent Malcolm's moron ex into a nightmare island just to lure him back. And if you took the vidya lore as canon then he practically evicted the native islanders and permanently ruined Nublar's ecosystem for his dinosaur safari.
Yeah the movie version had more depth because he was honest about the park, he's a more tragic character.
I guess you could say that but it still muddies the whole point of the story as a cautionary tale. Hammond is the mastermind behind the park it's still basically all his fault but because he's just a well meaning nice old guy he gets to give one quip at the end of the movie and be forgiven meanwhile all of his workers get eaten...
>it still muddies the whole point of the story as a cautionary tale
It's arguably way more cautionary when the villain isn't some mustache twirling corporate man, but a nice old guy who just wants to entertain people. Then you can't argue 'oh, it'll work out when I clone my dinosaurs since I'm a good person motivated by good intentions!' because Hammond was a good person who had good intentions and fricked everything still
this. its objectivelyy a better story unless you're a mouth breathing moron who thinks nice guy = good guy. it's showing good intentions arent enough to be good.
true but i like the movie hammond better honestly
He wasn't a villain who hates his grand kids. It'd portrayed more like he's in denial or something like that
>no no this wasn't MY fault no no....i-it was Muldoons fault! Yes, he's a drunk!
He starts going deep into delusion when he gets eaten. And he gets RIGHTFULLY angry at the kids for fricking around with with sound system that got his foot broken and then later himself killed. You wouldn't be thinking about how much you love your grand kids after they break your foot and throw you down a hill. He's still more of an butthole in the book than the movie, but he's not the VILLAIN.
Also, you morons keep bringing this up but not the fact the movie has a totally different fricking plot and that the book is non stop survival across the entire island and grant and the kids stay lost for almost 3 days, not just a night.
OR, how the dinosaurs are just komodo dragons. Dumb lizards who smell bad and have poison bites, and that scene where the fricking t-rex who is NOT territorial and is actively hunting them down tries to use its forked lizard tongue to grab the kids. They should've just called the movie something else since it's literally just using like a chunk of the story about half way in and that's all it uses.
It doesn't matter what the book said, they could've done anything they wanted
>but the book specified!
It specified gillette shaving cream and the movie went with barbasol. It specified that gennaro and muldoon and harding survived while malcolm and hammond died.
Literally every single element could've changed. They got israelitely because they wanted him or he was the only one available, because they were not at all in ANY capacity restricted by the book
Youre not supposed to actually read the book, next time just assert your opinions as fact based on nothing. You forgot to bring up trannies too. Youre fitting in pretty poorly actually
>Mosasaur (lived in tropical seas) shown in the Bering sea
>Dinosaurs living in cold, below freezing environments
>hadrosaurs being wrangled by men on horses (these are 4 ton animals of pure muscle)
>”monitor lizards can reproduce with pathogenesis therefore the biology of this vastly different reptile will also take on those traits because a few sections of monitor lizard DNA was used”
I could go on but I won’t
>>”monitor lizards can reproduce with pathogenesis therefore the biology of this vastly different reptile will also take on those traits because a few sections of monitor lizard DNA was used”
To be fair that asspull was established in JW1 with the Indominus
>He has cuttlefish DNA so he can camouflage
>He has raptor DNA so he...speaks raptor?
So in universe it's logical
>caring about movies for kids designed to turn them into mindless consumer drones
America deserves everything it gets
Doubtful considering he did the Lost World and that was a shitshow. If he was alive today, he'd probably give the old 'as long as the kids are having fun I'm fine with it speech' since he gets who these movies are meant for moreso than the basement dwellers who spend $100+ on nanmu figures
His grave… do you think he spared any expense on it?
That’s a good trick
I decide that when I'm old enough I'm gonna steal his look and learn dinosaur trivia
>Spared no expense.
I thought they’d fix that moronic laser-guided raptor shit. Instead, they leaned into it. Fricking ridiculous.
>Instead, they leaned into it
It's in one chase scene.
The whole scene relies on it as a concept, and as a concept, it’s stupid as hell.
Ok.