Have you read the book you fricktard? Sure it looks good, but the text is as souless as the Disney goyslop on the left. This is because the pajeet who made the book just let the AI wtite the entire story, as opposed to directing and managing it.
I edit AI art into shit I like, try and stop me homosexuals
A reminder that a pajeet made the right, and worse still didnt edit his fricking work. Come back when a WHITE guy uses AI and then takes the EFFORT to proofread his AI stuff into a comprehensible story
I'm a white guy and I'm using AI to speedrun my art. I gen something in SD then once I get something that looks decent I'll redraw it, heavily referencing about 90% of it. Sometimes I'll even trace parts. Still requires some artistry but lets you make great looking well-composed stuff in a fraction of the time, and things like dramatic lighting and color schemes are what AI does really well. And it's still technically "my" art in "my" style. I don't tell people this though obviously.
If you're using AI to speedrun your work like you claimed then you have nothing to worry about seeing as how it'll be the same generic shit as everything else.
Or you could just admit you were playing devil's advocate and like all AI shills you don't actually make a goddamn thing.
See this is the actual big-brain way to utilize ai as a tool for artists.
I'm thinking of doing one of those month long art challenge things but promt it in ai and then redraw it from scratch on ink an a paper
Yeah, since late September of last year, you can create a model with your own art but there's also another possibility that you could train a smaller model and use it in conjunction with a base model, we call it "LoRA"
I saw Leap but they require a paid plan to try the model out. Anybody using that or another model that's any good?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You could do stuff manually and install stable Diffusion on your system, training takes a lot of machine power, but there's ways of doing it on the cloud via Google Colab
larping as usual
unironically everyone I've heard say this are morons who've been drawing for 5 years but made absolutely no progress, so they have to rely on ai to make something that doesn't look like it was made by a 4 year old.
>MMM I LOVE MY NUMMY VISUAL FECES >PEH! you like that? It's so souless! >He says enjoying live action remakes of animated movies
You are the supporting reason shit is getting worse.
Very well.
Cope.
It's "midjourney" you can find that and any other drawing in their search engine by writing down the prompt.
If you copy paste their prompt you'll find the drawing made by the ai.
But jokes aside, tell me. Why did you think it's not made by an AI?
I see this on Cinemaphile AI threads all the time. Some people are obviously trolling but some people really do believe this. I think it's a defense mechanism to cope with their lack of skill: "I could make great art if only I weren't so lazy! I just need the right magic tools to do the hard stuff!"
ah yes because as we know, no current topics should actually have diverse opinions in them. They should just be a mindless circlejerk instead!
11 months ago
Anonymous
What do you think this thread is?
11 months ago
Anonymous
do you just not read posts that don't agree with your stance? Because I'm seeing a lot of different opinions on AI here and no matter how much each side screams 'they troll, they troll!' at the other side, that isn't going away anytime soon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well I have been on this thread for a few hours now so clearly i do, also how can someone who doesn't like AI troll about not Liking AI?
>"I could make great art if only I weren't so lazy!
But that's true, though. If talent doesn't exist and practice can make anybody a master, then the only relevant factor in any skill is motivation.
But that begets two other questions: How to motivate people, and how to keep them motivated throughout the whole process? No one seems able to answer this, not even the people who are literally offended by the very word "talent" - and there are quite a few artists that are. Which implies that Motivation is an innate talent in itself, which then undermines the initial premise of talent not existing.
tl;dr - people that are incurably lazy, and are a recurring blindspot in these discussions
People love to vice signal nowadays. Another example is when someone proudly advertises their lack of attention span by saying something like "words words words" or "not reading all of that" or "mucho texto". A celebration of moronation.
>Another example is when someone proudly advertises their lack of attention span by saying something like "words words words" or "not reading all of that" or "mucho texto".
I always laugh when someone says shit like this. People genuinely think they're making a SICK BURN by saying this but it makes them look like they have the mental comprehension of a toddler.
I see this on Cinemaphile AI threads all the time. Some people are obviously trolling but some people really do believe this. I think it's a defense mechanism to cope with their lack of skill: "I could make great art if only I weren't so lazy! I just need the right magic tools to do the hard stuff!"
Why are you saying he's proud about it? He just thinks there's no point in working more than necessary to get to what he considers a decent result.
I think what scares me most about AI art is the realization that the world is filled with soulless bugmen that genuinely see it as equally appealing as actual art.
Most people only care about art being visually appealing
I don’t work hard because working hard yields nothing. Grifting and kicking your competition down is the only way to achieve greatness, even if it ultimately ends up being a hindrance even to myself in the end
It's been like this since the day the internet was born
Literally for years we've had plenty of spoiled little niglets wanting validation for doing jack shit and now Ai gives them the "power" to do this as long as no one questions the-
Oops people questioned them and now it's basically illegal to use it to gain power over people just because they have more self worth than you, the aitards, do. That's what you get for thinking you can be white and try lying yourselves into power. Pick up a fricking pencil and be a real man.
>If I can't do something then nobody else should as well. >Also these artists actually expect me to PAY for my generic coomer art!? >And they're all communists too!
This but unironic. Also, have no problem with people doing stuff I can’t do but if a machine can do it better for cheaper I’m not gonna give you a handout simply because you don’t plan for your future better
Nobody sane wants to spend tens of thousands of hours learning to draw. Time is finite and adults have responsibilities. I honestly don't care about ai art but I am sick of artists jerking themselves off.
yea ur right all that time wasted on pursuing a hobby could instead be better used telling a computer "generate big boob" before going to the wage cage for 10 more hours.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Don't care about the ai boobies but people have to wagecuck to survive.
>Time is finite and adults have responsibilities.
If you're someone who openly and proudly admits they don't like to work hard. Then chances are, you probably don't have many responsibilities to begin with.
>Nobody sane wants to spend tens of thousands of hours learning to draw.
More sane than being a wienerroach that thinks they need to shit out billions of pointless remixed data online just to claim to be something you claim to hate.
just a heads up, if you took an ipad to the past say, 200 years in the past with a modern day artist, and showed people a modern artist using a tablet or whatever, professional artists of the time would say "that's not art. you don't even use paint or a canvas, you're just pressing buttons"
Wrong shitpost, they would look at it like a photo you can paint over. Stop with this false reality shit, you doing it with visual feedback is not the same as AI "magicaally" materializing an imagine from nothing.
Ironic mention le past when back then some aishitjeet couldn't even use the "tool" because they wouldn't have any data to steal from to shit out a slop. Meanwhile a digital artist could still draw on paper without issue what so fricking ever when the batteries die out on the tablet.
You're full of fricking shit, you're not a real women nor artist nor human.
this guy is being an butthole about it for sure but i sometimes i wonder about the people who try to learn to draw for years and never had their skills improved
Because ultimately to improve a skill, you have to be willing to go outside your comfort zone. If an artist blocks themselves and refuses to go outside of their comfort zone of, say, How to Draw Manga books that they used when they were 15, then they aren't going to improve because they've already decided they've surpassed the need for improvement. Even if they consciously are saying they want to improve, you'll see them unconsciously kneecapping themselves time and time again by refusing to actually put any time into studying their craft in any way that goes outside of that comfort zone.
People are, how you say, kind of stubborn and set in their ways. Interesting, but stubborn.
>i don't want to work hard
Absolutely based for having the guts to tell it how it is
>I don't like working hard
when did we get to a point where admitting this was something that people would say this proudly
...is it supposed to be something not to be proud of? What? Do I have to be ashamed of not wanting to have an harder time getting through my life and passions for the sake of being, maybe, aknowledged by some rich butthole or a conservacuck, while instead I could do everything I need and like more efficiently thanks to modern technologies?
Boomers and Millenials were to pussy to stand up to their owners/employers
We Zoomers will do what you homosexuals never could.
From installing stable Diffusion on my system I learned that some people can be bigger morons than you are, even if it gets easier, there'll always be a bigger moron.
you're some chris tier crabby autist looking for a get rich quick scheme desperately grasping at straws, ai already got spammed in a ton of boorus and art sites and the novelty already wore off, people are just gonna lose more interest as time goes on because its boring at this point
ai has no market value
and if AI gets widely accepted for creative commercial purposes the market will become absolutely fricking flooded with crap that none of it becomes worth anything and it all dies like the vidya industry before nintendies saved it with bing bing wahoo
11 months ago
Anonymous
maybe to prevent that the government gets its grummy hands on the industry and begins micromanaging and regulating everything to pure shit just to control the frequency at wich AI slop gets churned out to the masses, all the while introducing its own breed of trojan horse cancer as is customary for the government, it would be such a shitshow, genuinely the best thing for everyone involved is to just keep AI around solely for shitty memes and porn, non commercial pursuits
you're missing the point
yes AI can be used to generate individual images, not consistently but wahtever
but it can also be done to fill in for everything an artist needed to be hired in order to do. inbetweening, coloring, etc... so the fans won't NEED to be hired. they can just do the basic drawings and let the AI run with it and make their movies with zero studio involvement, no overhead, you can sell it for pennies and get rich.
The recent federal judge ruling that AI shit isn't copyrightable meaning it can't effectively be used by corporations has caused them to panic and desperately spam these threads to save face. Either that or its a falseflagger trying to make AIgays look desperate.
oh, something i predicted actually happened? feels nice. i mean, unless you use your own source files it shouldnt be a problem. as long as its trained on outside sources and artists, its wrong.
>fully rigged animation model vs single frame of un-copywriteable mishmash made from stolen work with zero animation rigging, that cant be recreated on the fly to create the other frames of animation
yes, these things must be equivalent
AIs using only their own data sets degrade and become unusable. AI constantly needs need art to copy to maintain quality. Without a dataset that was taken without the artists' consent, and AI can generate nothing. Less capable than a child really.
Not true, multiple versions of stable Diffusion have the same dataset which cannot be updated via online because it's a thing you download to your system, the same is true for midjourney and Novel AI the datasets are curated by a human and then are trained into a model, this models stay this way until they want to updated it, that's how the Novel Ai model got leaked, that's why the arstation "no ai art" protest didn't work.
Artwork is an expression of people's lived experiences. A machine doesn't have experiences so it's just robbing them from humans and the output doesn't have any meaning to it.
Literally not what he was referring to, the one on the right can't be used for animation, because if you've ever seen AI animations they're vomit-inducing. We just don't have the capacity to make a computer program understand that kind of movement through space with that level of artistic detail. You get all these vertigo-simulating flaws where eyes and other details drift and shift and merge and change and it's like looking into a nightmare. Plus, even on a basic artistic level, the one on the right looks like it was made by someone who learned art from a teenager's "how to draw" guide. The details and stuff are there, but like the shape of her head and the length of her fingers and the detailing on her clothes and stuff is all subtly wrong. It's the Taco Bell of art. They *say* it's a "cheesy beef and bean burrito", but you can tell as soon as you bite into it that every one of those descriptors is wrong.
start animating anon. go ahead, you clearly have all the tools to make a feature length movie, or atleast a half-season cartoon so you can make it $$$BIG$$$ in holywud
I'm not feeling this thread. Very low effort and low energy. Too much reused material. Is there really nothing new being shilled? Is that ruling the only recent news?
You're casting your peals before swine. If you make the new thing mainstream it will simply be infected with all the mediocrity of what came before. Like when YouTube encroached on TV.
It's almost like the GrubHub ad aped off of pixar and now you retroactively think pixar style is grubhub style
Congrats, you realize what AI is going, takes establish Artstation artstyles, making you hate them and retroactively think it's "ai created" so now no one wants to associate with that style anymore because it was enslaved in shitty advertisement.
Even if AI advanced to the point where it can consistently stay on-model, there will still be some need for artists at a concept-level, showrunners and the like. What AI is going to do is absolutely decimate the "pay the bills" jobs. Making small company logos, art for radio station websites, a little cartoon for a brochure, some art of the mascot for "local hot dog festival," and of course a ton of the "it ain't flashy, but it's important" work in animation. Those are the jobs that aren't amazing, but pay the bills. They're 99% of what "A Career In Art" ends up being about. And they're going to vanish. So you'll no longer be able to make a living if you decide you want to be an artist.
Like I said, there's still going to be a need for artists at the top of projects. But there will be no money to keep people around while they try to climb to the top. The only people who will be able to make a career out of being an artist are going to be the folks that don't need those "pay the bills" jobs. Folks with family money to rely on. Y'know... rich people.
AI ensures a future where poor and middle class people have no hope of making a living as artists, putting our culture even more firmly in the hands of the rich.
>industry
This goes far further than just animation or the entertainment industries. They're making it so that you won't have a hope of keeping a roof over your head as you hone your skills as an artist. So that's "artist" cut out as a career choice for everyone that wasn't born rich, handing our culture even more over to the 1%.
Techbros are fricking us over as a society. And the most moronic part is watching people yelling that this is somehow sticking it to the elites when it's doing the exact opposite.
The ultimate end goal is dystopia. Tech cultists want everyone else to live miserable lives of susbsistence where they live in pods, can only use their meager UBI income on approved sloppertainment and nutrient intake vectors (food is a luxury they don't need) while every step, eye movement, and potentially thought is monitored by surveillance to maintain the needed social credit so "society" can function. And should you want to leave, well you can no longer own a car and electric vehicles are limited in capacity, limited by where they can go, and have killswitches should anything unauthorized be done so you can't escape.
All because autistic cargo cultists can maintain the lifestyle needed to fuel their belief in being able transcend their meatbag vessels and live forever in digital heaven.
Don't pretend that this wasn't what the Leftist Commie artists also wanted. They hated everyone else and wanted them all to suffer.
"Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism" where all the right-wingers have been exterminated and the chosen communists rule over all. The only reason they're opposing AI is because they'll have to suffer like the rest of us.
I hate artists and nothing makes my day better than seeing them face the consequences of their actions.
>Don't pretend that this wasn't what the Leftist Commie artists also wanted. They hated everyone else and wanted them all to suffer.
Is this the part where you misinterpret a single huffington post headline because you're so addicted to undeservedly playing the victim that you've made up an enemy force that's millions strong?
Elon unironically looks at China and thinks it's a great system. He wants to make X into a privatized WeChat that would basically make him one of the most powerful people on earth.
10 months ago
Anonymous
the fact people like Elon exist scares me more because he is a narcissistic idiot with so much money he has no concept of the struggles to make a living just to afford food and housing for a family of four
>AI ensures a future where poor and middle class people have no hope of making a living as artists, putting our culture even more firmly in the hands of the rich.
A good thing if we return back to a aristocratic society based on a strict moral structure, as everyone likes the art that was made back then.
Also, anyone who uses "folks" as some gender neutral term deserves the death penalty. You will never be a Southerner or Germanic.
If AI was capable of making shit like this instead of anime shit, it would actually have some value. But it doesn't because AI users have horrible taste.
Why would AI make disgusting ugly Western shit? Its objectively bad and rejected by most of the world. I mean, it still could if you wanted too, but there is a reason no one does.
You have horrible taste, which is you your polluted Americans can only produce disgusting garbage that no one will remember in 20 years.
Why would AI make disgusting ugly Western shit? Its objectively bad and rejected by most of the world. I mean, it still could if you wanted too, but there is a reason no one does.
You have horrible taste, which is you your polluted Americans can only produce disgusting garbage that no one will remember in 20 years.
Art is art fren
>unironically (You)ing braindead AIBlack folk who not only openly admit to being board tourists, but who also lack the skill to come up with anything more than the same months' old scripted bait arguments and images
It's sad that they can't even use their AI God to help them come up with fresh arguments beyond the standard bootlicking hurrdurr humans are just computers man!
Fans aren't better Westerners then the employees at a Western million dollar company. The only reason you Western "fans" think you can do a better job is because you have more free time and a (limited) greater understanding and focus on one little thing. But cannot produce great works as a fan. The biggest problem is the inherent lack of standards, you both will produce inferior work. Sometimes, you both are contaminated with disgusting western beliefs, and people with bad beliefs cannot make good art as you know.
Something I've noticed is a large problem with hiring fans of a franchise to replicate whatever is good about it tends to suck because they try to catch lightning in a bottle. Then, because fandom culture is a cancer that causes a feedback loop where everyone keeps taking inspiration from all the exact same shit instead of branching out
>unironically (You)ing braindead AIBlack folk who not only openly admit to being board tourists, but who also lack the skill to come up with anything more than the same months' old scripted bait arguments and images
It's sad that they can't even use their AI God to help them come up with fresh arguments beyond the standard bootlicking hurrdurr humans are just computers man!
"A company" can't create anything, you fricking moron. The board of directors isn't going to personally type prompts into midjourney, they will hire a minwage monkey to do it.
If this thread is any indication, artists' jobs are completely safe from AI. The absolute shit being shown here, and the inability to recognize it as shit, is astounding. Boring, uncreative people are still going to be boring and uncreative no matter what fancy tech you give them.
even with as weird as AI art can look to the eye, I always find myself respecting the AI coomers the most out of the bunch. At least the AI coomers are honest about what they want the programs for.
As someone who reads Chink and asiatic WN drivel, I've noticed that they started using AI images as covers instead of stealing or shopping existing art now.
its because they are honest and relatable. They just want big tiddies and some level of fetish material. Either you luck out and find an artist that caters to your interests, or you have to shell out 50+ bucks on a single fap image. AI just vomits mid level images out, which is all anyone needs to get their rocks off.
Artists ITT, it’s very common for fa/tg/virgins to use random art they find online for their characters and campaigns. Do you think it’s alright for people to use AI to create character art/art used for personal reasons?
Artists ITT, it’s very common for fa/tg/virgins to use random art they find online for their characters and campaigns. Do you think it’s alright for people to use AI to create character art/art used for personal reasons?
No one would care if you didn't constantly post this ugly shit everywhere. If you just wanted to coom in peace you wouldn't feel compelled to "show off" It's like every cheesecake thread you have one moron posting AIslop now (probably the same handful of people) and it's worse than low quality DeviantArt shit.
I dunno, Automation being a problem seems to be a problem people have been complaining about for a good while. Even in the context of AI truckers have been pretty ontop of it, I know I had their back.
I always thought it made more sense to just buy the coal miners out. They were mostly old enough where it wouldn't have been realistic to transition to such a new field.
Because mass producing junk is not the same as the human element that defines culture. You have to be literally black skinned to basically not get what a culture worth protecting feels like.
Using AI for fun and no budget projects is good
Corpos using it is bad and will unironically more likely lead to Skynet than little jimmy in his basement making naked werewolves in Midjourney
I think what scares me most about AI art is the realization that the world is filled with soulless bugmen that genuinely see it as equally appealing as actual art.
>Here is my AI, I need to train it on a dataset >No artist will allow me to use their art in my dataset >My AI now cannot produce art
AI fundamentally requires hundreds of thousands of art pieces to even begin copying. They scrape art posting sites without artist permission, which is theft as far as copyright is concerned
What exactly is being stolen in your scenario? Nothing, that's what.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>t. doesn't understand copyright laws
AI doesn't fall under fair use or creative commons, and thus is treated as theft of intellectual property.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Here is my AI, I need to train it on a dataset >No artist will allow me to use their art in my dataset >My AI now cannot produce art
AI fundamentally requires hundreds of thousands of art pieces to even begin copying. They scrape art posting sites without artist permission, which is theft as far as copyright is concerned
Its really not. All it does is steal work from actual artists. So it can't be better purely from that.
I think what scares me most about AI art is the realization that the world is filled with soulless bugmen that genuinely see it as equally appealing as actual art.
>IT REPLACES ACTUAL ARTISTS
Most artists are mentally ill, narcissistic or both, they fricked around and found out. Plus AI art is meshed from hundreds of different pictures to the point it's no longer related to the original artist at hand. It's kind of like when American soldiers raped German women and left behind bastard spawn. It might be related, but it's illegitimate. Thus nobody should really give two shits.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If nothing is stolen, then create AI art without that data.
Artists ITT, it’s very common for fa/tg/virgins to use random art they find online for their characters and campaigns. Do you think it’s alright for people to use AI to create character art/art used for personal reasons?
I'm anti-ai but I don't care about that and don't think most would care, they were going to steal random art anyway. However if they try to sell or even give away a free module with said AI art I would be quite against it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>If nothing is stolen, then create AI art without that data.
so when you draw, you never have inspirations, references or cultural influences?
let's se you draw before knowing what a drawing is then
>BEFORE YOU DRAW, FIRST CREATE THE UNIVERSE
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you reproduce 1 on 1 is called a forgery.
11 months ago
Anonymous
well, then the argument is over becasue it isn't a 1 to 1 copy
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can get arrested for doing fake Van Gogh sunflowers. You should disclose clearly you're doing AI art and what is your model using.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you can get arested from claiming it is artwork from another artist.
which nobody is doing, so I don't know why you're still talking
11 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't ask you about the philosophical implications of humans/machine learning using references, I asked you to make a AI image without any other data and you clearly can't.
11 months ago
Anonymous
that's literally what I said >let's se you draw before knowing what a drawing is then
11 months ago
Anonymous
this was made by a real artist look at how he "stole"
get real
11 months ago
Anonymous
The human filter is not anywhere close to comparable to a rudimentary algorithm. We don't even "think" the same, algorithms are based entirely on brute forcing computations.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Literally nothing from that data looks like what's present in the final result. No stolen over hyper rendering, no stolen colors used, the fricking fact isn't even identical, it's all his interpretation of information, transformed, by his human soul. AI cannot and will not do this, because it's not "randomness" it's not "generatable" it's explicitly tied to the human psyche, right down to their genetical makeup.
The fact you cannot comprehend the difference from what you posted and what aislop fricking shits out is exactly why this shit needs to be banned, it's being manipulated by outright morons that don't understand what the process of art even fricking is.
Unless it's Deep Dream. But then, it's Deep Dream.
What exactly is being stolen in your scenario? Nothing, that's what.
Creating a collage still needs the clippings, ya doofus. If said clippings are sourced from your own art/in-house art made by artists paid and informed that it's going to be used as an AI data source, it's fine.
But in reality, AI techbros skip the 'paying and informing artists' part, and that's what makes it theft.
10 months ago
guy
Do you also need to pay Walt Disney in the grave for taking inspiration from Sleeping Beauty and other works? Intensely greedy mentality.
10 months ago
Indonesian Gentleman
>not paying another artist to do things in Walt Disney's style
And I'm talking about audiovisual stuff, not the writing. You should know about this stuff, guy, why are you making yourself the fool on the internet?
This poster is exactly the kind of bug person I'm talking about
>actual art.
like a banana taped to a wall?
A banana taped to a wall is fundamentally a more important work than any piece of AI art will ever be.
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Why are you saying he's proud about it? He just thinks there's no point in working more than necessary to get to what he considers a decent result.
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Most people only care about art being visually appealing
>Most people only care about art being visually appealing
Which is what worries me
Me too anon. It's funny to laugh at AI threads here because it's all almost exclusively just coomers and trolls baiting for (you)s, but the moment you step outside the Cinemaphile bubble and see how invested people actually are in this shit is horrifying. The sheer amount of pajeets and low-IQ techbros who mindlessly worship whatever an AI spits out, regardless of how inconsistent, nonsensical or just plain poor-quality it is, is astounding, as it the ubiquity of them across the internet. They're everywhere, and they won't stop shitting up the place with their AI slop. It's like this whole Web3 craze has turned over a rock in the garden of society and exposed a writhing swarm of unintelligent, yet incredibly affluent, internet addicts lying underneath it. The only difference between the bugs and the bugmen is you can at least crush a bug, but these people, for whatever reason, wield an incredible amount of social power, disproportionate to their actual knowledge, expertise or artistic literacy. They'll flood the net with their garbage and force us all down to "enjoy" it with them.
The chain events of the crypto bubble, followed with NFTs, and now AI shilling has opened my eyes to a class of soulless, lazy tech worshippers who are both easy to scam and want to be the scammer. My inner /misc/ack tells me they are chinese and indian, but I know in my heart that they could be anyone and everyone.
Techbros are literal societal parasites devoid of a human soul, in my experience. Contemptible creatures to be sure, but also pitiable in a way because they seem to be unable to escape basic materialism.
yea pretty much the same here. I'm find with AI art being a cheap parlor trick but the amount of people I've seen who have seemed to base their entire personality around valiantly defending this arguably interesting technology is just depressing.
The chain events of the crypto bubble, followed with NFTs, and now AI shilling has opened my eyes to a class of soulless, lazy tech worshippers who are both easy to scam and want to be the scammer. My inner /misc/ack tells me they are chinese and indian, but I know in my heart that they could be anyone and everyone.
It's pure dilettantery. I've always hated people who only enjoy art on a surface level, with no care for the process or the details. When I look at an illustration, I care the most about the deliberate decisions made by the illustrator. I want to think about what the artist is trying to convey to me. Why did they use this shade of orange? Was this intentionally arranged to follow the fibonacci sequence? Why three trees? What is the symbolism of the crawdad? Computer program-generated imagery has no answers to any of these questions, because computer programs don't have motivations or thoughts or interests.
Me too anon. It's funny to laugh at AI threads here because it's all almost exclusively just coomers and trolls baiting for (you)s, but the moment you step outside the Cinemaphile bubble and see how invested people actually are in this shit is horrifying. The sheer amount of pajeets and low-IQ techbros who mindlessly worship whatever an AI spits out, regardless of how inconsistent, nonsensical or just plain poor-quality it is, is astounding, as it the ubiquity of them across the internet. They're everywhere, and they won't stop shitting up the place with their AI slop. It's like this whole Web3 craze has turned over a rock in the garden of society and exposed a writhing swarm of unintelligent, yet incredibly affluent, internet addicts lying underneath it. The only difference between the bugs and the bugmen is you can at least crush a bug, but these people, for whatever reason, wield an incredible amount of social power, disproportionate to their actual knowledge, expertise or artistic literacy. They'll flood the net with their garbage and force us all down to "enjoy" it with them.
Same. But having worked in the industry, low-IQ techbros don't make it into those jobs because they don't know anything enough to be useful. Same with artists from poorer countries. It actually costs more time and money to get things the way you want them, because of a language barrier and poor hard skills. These people will clog up fiverr like they always have, but the truly serious artists will still work in the industry.
I'm a PHP developer and every single forum is flooded by slightly wrong generated answers that pajeets poop out as fast as their captcha reloads, because most sites reward participiation with moderator powers. There was a whole discussion on how AI answers are no longer allowed and there's a filter that tries to block it
This is going to put MORE emphasis on wall bananas because wall bananas are DIFFERENT than a constant stream of same looking digital goyslop. Congratulations, you played yourself.
Which having AI Art treated as the Second Coming will encourage, because it turns out AI cannot sculpt, carve or manipulate anything physical, meaning that paintings are effectively fricking gone, and there's no point in trying to depict anything meaningful, because drooling tards will keep being entertained by an AI's produces, so might as well shock them.
The chain events of the crypto bubble, followed with NFTs, and now AI shilling has opened my eyes to a class of soulless, lazy tech worshippers who are both easy to scam and want to be the scammer. My inner /misc/ack tells me they are chinese and indian, but I know in my heart that they could be anyone and everyone.
yea pretty much the same here. I'm find with AI art being a cheap parlor trick but the amount of people I've seen who have seemed to base their entire personality around valiantly defending this arguably interesting technology is just depressing.
Me too anon. It's funny to laugh at AI threads here because it's all almost exclusively just coomers and trolls baiting for (you)s, but the moment you step outside the Cinemaphile bubble and see how invested people actually are in this shit is horrifying. The sheer amount of pajeets and low-IQ techbros who mindlessly worship whatever an AI spits out, regardless of how inconsistent, nonsensical or just plain poor-quality it is, is astounding, as it the ubiquity of them across the internet. They're everywhere, and they won't stop shitting up the place with their AI slop. It's like this whole Web3 craze has turned over a rock in the garden of society and exposed a writhing swarm of unintelligent, yet incredibly affluent, internet addicts lying underneath it. The only difference between the bugs and the bugmen is you can at least crush a bug, but these people, for whatever reason, wield an incredible amount of social power, disproportionate to their actual knowledge, expertise or artistic literacy. They'll flood the net with their garbage and force us all down to "enjoy" it with them.
The only answer to life is Jesus Christ.
He must demoralize your works and perspective of humanity for you to see his glory.
It won't affect anything outside the united states, but also most of these people operate in the united states and want to sell stuff in the united states so like "getting it copyrighted in germany to bypass american copyright laws" won't help because it won't stop people in the US from just stealing your art (ironically) and using it for whatever they want, so someone like Disney or whoever is not going to invest in it if they can't retain their intellectual property rights to, say, a Mickey Mouse cartoon made with AI art.
if this only applies to art this will be easy to abuse.
no your honor this isnt art, as the person who mafe it this is nothing more than an engineering blueprint.
get a judge to make a point about that not being copyrightable and watch in real time as a judge is removed from the bench by Raytheon, Lpckhead Martin and GE because they are using AI to help design ICBM's
>get a judge to make a point about that not being copyrightable and watch in real time as a judge is removed from the bench by Raytheon, Lpckhead Martin and GE because they are using AI to help design ICBM's
Copyrighted material is displayed publicly so weapon systems wouldn't use it, they would use trade secrets registration that allows it to remain private. Basically you are a moron.
It's technology and there's no real place where the discussion of this topic can't be contained on, which what happened to MLP until /MLP/ was made, so your best chance is that we get /ai/
>It's technology and there's no real place where the discussion of this topic can't be contained on
Literally Cinemaphile or /b/ or /trash/
This pic is ass.w What the frick is that horizon line?
No real reason why AI can't be talked on other boards, specially ones with prominent audiovisual topics.
So much in this pic looks just haphazardly placed.
This is why AI will never replace artists. Both AI, and AI "artists" have no idea what composition or perspective is.
That reflection ont he bottom of the car makes no fricking sense. Also what the frick is that shit in the car's background supposed to be? Stairs? A wall?
It used to be an AI generated poster of Paris, i just img2img it into a cyberpunk aesthetic,
Since the poster is more focused into looking like a real illustration maybe the conversion took some elements and turned them into well "that"
whats with AI art and the same vacant soulless stare
Holy shit?!?!?!! Prompt?!?
>It can only improve
language models have proved the opposite, as degradation is common. The same is true for art AI, as shown with one system becoming obsessed with adding more lines to everything
Weird, never seen that one, machine learning can be chaotic but as it stands the further development of stable Diffusion has shown improvement over previous models.
>It can only improve
language models have proved the opposite, as degradation is common. The same is true for art AI, as shown with one system becoming obsessed with adding more lines to everything
So much in this pic looks just haphazardly placed.
This is why AI will never replace artists. Both AI, and AI "artists" have no idea what composition or perspective is.
>You now realize ai happened 15 years too late to have moot perma ban it from all boards and make a containment board just for it to not shit up the site like it currently is today
Why live, bothers?
When AI becomes Skynet I hope the cargo cultists are the first to be wiped out, yelling "But I proompted!" as they're vaporized by the machines' laser guns.
>It's technology and there's no real place where the discussion of this topic can't be contained on
Literally Cinemaphile or /b/ or /trash/
This pic is ass.w What the frick is that horizon line?
All 3 of those boards already have AI threads but nowhere near as talkative as this one, there's no real reason why AI can't be discussed here
Artists ITT, it’s very common for fa/tg/virgins to use random art they find online for their characters and campaigns. Do you think it’s alright for people to use AI to create character art/art used for personal reasons?
if I'm running a cyberpunk/dnd one shot I don't give a shit if my players show up with AI art. It is the people trying to monotize it that I think is moronic.
I don't really see a problem with them doing it through art they find online or through AI. It's not like they were going to pay for it either way, and while my experience with campaigns is limited, they don't really gain anything from it either way.
As an artist I don't have any beef with AI, I even proompt stuff myself because it's kinda fascinating. It's just the disingenuous Pajeet shills who keep making threads like OP or the Chinks trying to shill their AI art Patreon that piss me off.
I know this is a moronic bait thread, but I'm curious. How would Cinemaphile react to AI animation that looks like that and is consistent? Would you be against it even if most of the errors are fixed just because it uses AI? I assume normies wouldn't care and like it even if it was blatantly AI with tons of flaws, as they do with that awful Corridor Crew AI anime rotoscope.
I haven't seen a single person enjoy the corridor crew shit, which is literally just a bad filter. Joel Haver has been doing the same thing for years but is much better at it.
Absolutely. Hell, I'll generate AI stuff to get general ideas for inspiration too. The biggest problems with AI stuff are the attitude not the actual technology. "AI guys" have dedicated themselves to being furry levels of insufferable because for them its a culture wars issue.
artist may feel emotion but their art literally cannot make another human feel the exact same way. the electrochemical reactions in the viewers brain literally cannot be the same as the artist's, and there is no guarantee that the viewer will have the opinion or sentiment that the artist had
>artist may feel emotion but their art literally cannot make another human feel the exact same way.
This is complete bollocks and is literally counter proven with fricking CULTURE itself. Shut the frick up.
10 months ago
Anonymous
counter argument, this image (made by me) makes me feel rage, how about you?
10 months ago
Anonymous
I definitely can tell my words made you seethe so hard you pissed yourself so you needing to visualize that is just extra fluff.
10 months ago
Anonymous
i didnt actually read your post i just wanted to post an image of some one pissing themself
>ai will replace artists >Ai will let me make cartoons, comics and videogames without learning a single skill >Ai will make me rich
Where is your cartoon
Where is your comic
Where is your videogame
>Where is your videogame
To be fair Valve banned AI generated art from Steam going forward, so if they were making a AI art game, of which there are tons of shitty AI VNs already, they wouldn't announce that they were using AI.
I haven't seen a single person enjoy the corridor crew shit, which is literally just a bad filter. Joel Haver has been doing the same thing for years but is much better at it.
I see many youtube comments liking it.
I edit AI art into shit I like, try and stop me homosexuals
Can you post the AI results and your edits side by side?
I sometimes do this with an AI, i take a picture or any image and put it on img2img, make sure to adjust the Denoise and put a prompt that would turn the art into what I want, sometimes i add a LoRA if there's one for the thing i want.
So what's this previously something else?
[...]
Well this thread has been on for a whole now, so even if it's not a good bait, look at how many people have joined 🙂
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Don't remind me of the (about to be raped:1.3) guy, that was dark.
yeah just a random girl I turned into midna, not finished though
>twy and stop me
Why are AI little homosexuals like this? Nobody is stopping you. It just looks like shit and you admit you have to use your human hands to edit it anyway. AI is not artificial or intelligent. It's just better to hire an artist at that point and make something that's not copyright infringement from the ground up.
im just joshing, but ive seen people over on twitter get pretty mad at my AI edits, I really dont care, sometimes I draw shit, sometimes I edit it, its all the same to me, just wanna make shit I like
>it's fine
Always the first cope for someone that doesn't want to admit something is shit >Post your art
I don't draw so what would I post? At least I don't try to buoy my lack of skill by relying on a ~~*tool*~~ that generates nothing but putrid slop.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>can't make art >claims he can judge art
What a dumbass
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's a moronic argument because the vast majority of AIgays can't make art either. In that case only the artists that you despise are capable.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Do you need to be a filmmaker to judge a movie? A chef to judge food? You can have knowledge of a subject and can have an educated opinion about it without needing to actually be able to make it.
original art poster here, I like pigs with makeup lol, and yes, I feel I can improve, but tbh you saying its shit will never compare to how shit my brain can think up they are regardless of AI involvement
>but tbh you saying its shit will never compare to how shit my brain can think up they are regardless of AI involvement
Some would say you might be too self-critical but I think your instincts are correct in this instance.
I sometimes do this with an AI, i take a picture or any image and put it on img2img, make sure to adjust the Denoise and put a prompt that would turn the art into what I want, sometimes i add a LoRA if there's one for the thing i want.
So what's this previously something else?
Just because you can dodge bans doesn't mean you are a master craftman of baits.
Well this thread has been on for a whole now, so even if it's not a good bait, look at how many people have joined 🙂
>whats with AI art and the same vacant soulless stare
Its almost like AI is soulless and doesn't know how to convey emotion.
Don't remind me of the (about to be raped:1.3) guy, that was dark.
>OP admit he made the thread just to bait >people genuinely believe it's unironic shilling and by replying epic comebacks we are owning the AIjeets
These stupid threads would dry the frick up if you stopped feeding them the same replies every time
>twy and stop me
Why are AI little homosexuals like this? Nobody is stopping you. It just looks like shit and you admit you have to use your human hands to edit it anyway. AI is not artificial or intelligent. It's just better to hire an artist at that point and make something that's not copyright infringement from the ground up.
>Nobody is stopping you.
That's true but that doesn't stop whiny artists from trying. They actually think they're going to be able to delete the datasets. How delusional can these people be?
>It's just better to hire an artist at that point and make something that's not copyright infringement from the ground up.
That's only true for top-tier artists. For the vast majority of projects, it's better to just use AI. It's far cheaper, quicker and it produces superior art.
Even if AI advanced to the point where it can consistently stay on-model, there will still be some need for artists at a concept-level, showrunners and the like. What AI is going to do is absolutely decimate the "pay the bills" jobs. Making small company logos, art for radio station websites, a little cartoon for a brochure, some art of the mascot for "local hot dog festival," and of course a ton of the "it ain't flashy, but it's important" work in animation. Those are the jobs that aren't amazing, but pay the bills. They're 99% of what "A Career In Art" ends up being about. And they're going to vanish. So you'll no longer be able to make a living if you decide you want to be an artist.
Like I said, there's still going to be a need for artists at the top of projects. But there will be no money to keep people around while they try to climb to the top. The only people who will be able to make a career out of being an artist are going to be the folks that don't need those "pay the bills" jobs. Folks with family money to rely on. Y'know... rich people.
AI ensures a future where poor and middle class people have no hope of making a living as artists, putting our culture even more firmly in the hands of the rich.
>You have to remember that anons here consider that a good thing because that effectively boxes out younger people and minorities.
Zoomers and minorities are killing Western nations with Black worship and troonism, so yeah it's beneficial for them to never have jobs.
This but unironically. The stupid copypasta was made by a canadian moron artschool dropout who was too fricking dumb to know what masters' studies were.
The prompters they hire are still going to be woke because they're the ones that actually want to put the work in.
That's the truth of the matter. The people anons hate made it because they actually tried. Meanwhile AI shills can't even put the effort into fixing their generations in post. They can't even deliver enough requests to compete with a drawthread. ALL they can do is complain after the fact and shitpost. And even that shit is lazy and reads like it was generated in GPT.
This is true. The AI bros will stop using this shiny new toy in a few years once it's boring to troll real artists with the results, because let's face it, they lack the discipline to actually make anything with their own hands. They'll move on to something equally dumb. The kids growing up who want to be artists will take it in conjunction with their own skills and make cool new shit. And like most artists they'll be little weirdos, so their shows will be "woke" or whatever and old fossils will still seethe about it.
>another ai thread >another ai thread where the aigay claims to be superior to artists while just generating pictures of characters standing/sitting and staring >another ai thread where the aigay can't even stick to generating pictures that are board-related
For some reason these ai threads have come back to being spammed across this site now after a while of silence and aigays sticking to their dump generals.
I've seen several pictures from the "revolutionary" AI book on the right. It's absolute garbage, he didn't bother with minimal consistency so the girl and the robot look completely different in every illustration.
>Hire
That defeats the point of the AI. Why hire moronic incel to us the AI when you can hire literally anyone else. Some Hobo off the street can bring your astroturfed AI artist. It literally requires 0 intelligence.
>Some Hobo off the street can bring your astroturfed AI artist.
Why hire a hobo off the street when they can hire their family and friends? They were doing it already and now the skill barrier is gone. This isn't going to make things more open, it'll make them more insular.
I'm no ai hater. I'm an OP hater, because you're an idiot.
On the left is a rigged, lighted still of an incredibly complicated 3d model from a 30fps complete movie
On the right is what amounts to a very fancy auto complete. It has no rigging, no textures, no polys. It does look good, but it is so incredibly far away from the achievement on the left that making the comparison exposes you as catastrophically ignorant and proves the opposite of your point.
By the time AI gets to the point that your prompting will replace animators, Disney won't hire you either. AI is fun, but you won't be upending anything because you can write "cute girl ghibli style weird pet"
This is Really desperate to have any sort of comeback, which merely proves the point that you want to enjoy things regardless of your ability to do them, whether make a comeback or make a cartoon.
>Cutting out experience/talent requirement will remove nepotism
How? It just sounds like it’ll be easier to drop their freshly out of high school sons into the mix
>>AI cannot sculpt, carve or manipulate anything physica
We could do this since the early 2000s, it's called a 3d printer . the problem is unlike Stable diffusion which is basically freeware you can't download a 3d printer for free. That's the really advantage AI image generators have, most are free or atleast very cheap.
Jannying is erratic. As long as they keep the place from being shut down in a flood of cheeze pizza, they've done their jobs. And a certain amount of AI talk is actually on topic and acceptable. But it needs to be in context of actual Cinemaphile shit that's being made and not just an excuse to yell about indians or whatever.
Duh? The value is not what's being produced but how and what is being used to produce it. When will summer break end? These kids are adorable, but this isn't a place for them.
>so selling proprietary AI software then, what would the market value of that be then if FOSS AI were to catch up?
Yes and no. You can literally sell convenience. It doesn't matter if it's open source. Convenience has a price.
I can give you links to where you can learn how to prepare a dataset, how to train a model/checkpoint/lora, how to set it up, the logic behind prompt, settings, extensions, etc. Or you give me 20 bucks, and I'll do it for you.
The images are worthless. The knowledge, not so much.
AI advocates are like these threads and are only for the inbred of lower caste of society.
Welcome to the club then.
ha ha HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO OMG!!
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/us-judge-rules-ai-generated-art-is-not-protected-by-copyright-law-1234677410/
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/ai-generated-art-not-protected-155808768.html
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated-art-no-copyright-district-court
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ai-generated-artwork-not-protected-copyright-law-1234809089/
https://mashable.com/article/ai-art-copyright-debate
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-works-not-copyrightable-studios-1235570316/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/ >the future is AI prompts bro! Trust me, I'm a good proompter!
Wait doesn't this mean anyone can use it and gain money from it?
>Wait doesn't this mean anyone can use it and gain money from it? >surely if anyone can grow food than everyone can sell it instead of eating it themselves!!
You need to be 18 to post on this site child.
ha ha HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO OMG!!
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/us-judge-rules-ai-generated-art-is-not-protected-by-copyright-law-1234677410/
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/ai-generated-art-not-protected-155808768.html
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated-art-no-copyright-district-court
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ai-generated-artwork-not-protected-copyright-law-1234809089/
https://mashable.com/article/ai-art-copyright-debate
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-works-not-copyrightable-studios-1235570316/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/ >the future is AI prompts bro! Trust me, I'm a good proompter!
then why don't you download Marvel's secrent invasion intro (which was made with AI) and upload in your youtube channel?
see how well that works for ya
>then why don't you download Marvel's secrent invasion intro (which was made with AI) and upload in your youtube channel? >see how well that works for ya
Its so weird to see people being this dumb. I'm so glad you're the laughing stock of the internet. Your face blindness cant even see why normal people find AI art creepy and uncanny.
Normal people love AI art,
Don't you remember the "dinosaurs get a job" and the Chinese instant anime AI? Hell don't you remember DALL-E mini? It got so big that people flooded the DALL-E 2 website, it's never going away.
that's not true and you know it
I wish Cinemaphile liked AI, there's plenty of AI art that I love and wish to share with my Cinemaphilempanions, but I know it would be spammed by AI haters
>start a thread with '''haha drawgays will lose their job'' >get responses >ahh stop, you AI haters'!!!
Im neutral to AI but I know people here use AI mostly for trolling than anything else
>Im neutral to AI but I know people here use AI mostly for trolling than anything else
Do you also know this place is filled with tourists? Try starting a discussion about any modern cartoon and see how long it takes for a culture war chud to show. Neither sides care about Cinemaphile. They're like this idiot
Bold of you to think anyone would give a frick about your coomslop
This isn't discord.
. The best they can do is use buzzwords followed by more buzzwords
I've never once seen an AI thread here that was >look at the cool thing I made
/g/, /d/, /h/, /aco/ can all do it. Because they're they're porn dumps and their threads start with a list of links so everyone can add more porn to the porn dumps.
But here? They're ALWAYS started with OP being a gigantic homosexual and using the entire concept as a way to troll, shistpost, bait, and passive aggressively throw a tantrum because someone he refuses to name refused to do a furry commission for him. AI shills here post almost zero art and what they do post is off topic shit that wasn't pulled off of google or civitai because they're homosexual phoneposters.They offer no advice on how to make the content because they don't make content, they're here to make bait and don't actually know how the content is made just so they can scream at anons and say >that's not how it works!
This has attitude has poisoned the well. If it were a false flag it'd be the most effective one in the site's history but I don't think anyone that uses this site is smart enough to actually manage that.
It's been shown in more than a few of these threads that they don't really want to talk about cartoons or comics. Whenever actual Cinemaphile discussion is brought up in these threads, the AIgays immediately show how little they know about Cinemaphile shit. They know what pisses people off on specific boards but that's about it.
Cool, now generate that same character consistently across every page/frame and from multiple angles.
Hard mode: no getting someone to tweak imperfections.
I wonder if the people who work on automation in the 80s ever felt guilty putting the production line worker out of business crumbling the blue collar work force. Would you think they commit suicide, or they sleep on a big pile of money?
>AI artists are mostly just doing their own thing while artists act like whiny toddlers.
"AI artists" aren't even a real thing that exists. They are not artists; they are techbro homosexuals who tried to get rich off crypto and failed, then tried to get rich off NFTs and failed, and now are trying to get rich off displacing people who actually have a talent people are willing to pay money for.
>Imagine being this desperate to suppress meaningful discussions of AI. Meanwhile AI is still easily generating information about my setting.
Bitch, there are no "meaningful discussions of AI" in this shit. This is just shit-flinging.
Show something of worth and not some shitty image with one sentence. If you consider this shit worthy of anything and not just shitty Culture War™ ammo, I have a folder full of gold.
If you can't, you can go frick yourself with a broken glass bottle. And take your shitty Culture War™ with you.
Yes there's one sentence, the point is how it generates meaningful information about my creative setting. It's so meaningful that it threatens people to desire censorship.
>not paying another artist to do things in Walt Disney's style
And I'm talking about audiovisual stuff, not the writing. You should know about this stuff, guy, why are you making yourself the fool on the internet?
Always so desperate to start out by declaring victory, Lamers.
You didn't respond to what I actually said, your contrived ad hoc standard condemns learning from Walt Disney too.
I'm warning you, I can make a lot of ruckus by showing how my creative setting can be extrapolated from things such as recent animation products. AI is very helpful.
Even though AI is impressive when it gets the fingers and arms right, there's still a place for real artists. You can sense the feelings of the real artist in their work, don't get the same feeling from AI.
Though, some of these real artists are pretentious and I appreciate AI making them butt-blasted.
AI art generation is never going to work. They're just not capable of actually producing art. I know you don't like the idea, but you're just looking at a convincing facsimile of art, not the real thing. It's like looking at a picture of your dead wife and listening to a recording of her voice and pretending she's still alive. Besides, these companies are mostly american-based and want to profit off of it, and there's now a ruling saying AI-produced works cannot be trademarked.
Of course that human is capable of producing art, they just have to actually make art instead of asking a computer program to assemble fake art out of stolen assets like visual-art ransom note.
>they just have to actually make art instead of asking a computer program to assemble fake art out of stolen assets like visual-art ransom note.
And who are you to decide what is art? I remember, nobody.
>And who are you to decide what is art? I remember, nobody.
The rest of us is your audience you're trying to convince is the future goyslop connoisseur. Holy shit, you fricking techgays are so easily weak and feeble.
Art is an expression of the artist's perspective. Art allows you to briefly see the world through the artist's eyes, in one form or another. The artist's perspective informs their way of representing things. Sometimes it's very literal and an artist will draw a landscape of some sort, their literal "perspective", but sometimes it's more abstract and it's an emotional piece of some sort. Some form of abstract art using color and form to represent their feelings in a very visceral manner. Sometimes someone tries to do the former, but ends up imbuing it with a little of the latter, like Monet, who actually painted like that because he developed cataracts. AI generated art cannot represent an artist's perspective because the computer isn't actually creating the image, only assembling it out of scraps, and the person prompting the art can only pass on any perspective in an extremely indirect way that can just end up implying "he liked big fat breasts", which, yeah, sure, granted, relatable, even, but that's not really an emotional core for the art to represent.
>And who are you to decide what is art?
I, as a human, have more rights over all things non human. This is OUR planet and we control what we want to be allowed, homosexual.
If human hands made the stroke, it's art. If human mind made that decision it's art. If its not that it's not human and thus, not art.
>they just have to actually make art instead of asking a computer program to assemble fake art out of stolen assets like visual-art ransom note.
And who are you to decide what is art? I remember, nobody.
While the sentiment was there, I fumbled my words pretty badly. What I wanted to say is that you're nobody. Your opinions are worthless. Your source of validation is fricking Twitter. What's next? You're going to claim that AI is Satan's tool like the religious freaks?
Since you can't create or produce something with substance or creativity (even with a magic box), the best you can do is move the goalpost.
>If I say AI art is theft, that is fact. As I can prove it by explaining how AI art is generated from the work of other artists in a algorithmic catalog of visual impressions that corresponds to mission prompts. >If I say AI art is the future, that is an opinion. As I cannot disprove or not artists will stop learning to draw, write, or sing their own work to save time and effort for making something of their own.
The basic problem here is that if you're already setting your sights on using a consumer-grade AI to do your art for your project, then you don't need to HIRE anyone. You just download it and do it yourself, or get one of the 20,000 underpaid interns already working at your company to do it if you're a corporation. There's no need for fans in that equation.
The next people you could be debating online are just like these "real artists"
There's no real argument, there is logic of fact. It is just a childish temper tantrum of "I matter and what I have to say is important"
when it really isn't.
Right feels soulless
Left looks like the fricking Grubhub ad
If you weren't told it was AI you'd say it looks great, don't lie
Have you read the book you fricktard? Sure it looks good, but the text is as souless as the Disney goyslop on the left. This is because the pajeet who made the book just let the AI wtite the entire story, as opposed to directing and managing it.
Based
>Have you read the book you fricktard? Sure it looks good,
It doesn't tho.
Fpbp
A reminder that a pajeet made the right, and worse still didnt edit his fricking work. Come back when a WHITE guy uses AI and then takes the EFFORT to proofread his AI stuff into a comprehensible story
I'm a white guy and I'm using AI to speedrun my art. I gen something in SD then once I get something that looks decent I'll redraw it, heavily referencing about 90% of it. Sometimes I'll even trace parts. Still requires some artistry but lets you make great looking well-composed stuff in a fraction of the time, and things like dramatic lighting and color schemes are what AI does really well. And it's still technically "my" art in "my" style. I don't tell people this though obviously.
Post work.
>Dox yourself.
If you're using AI to speedrun your work like you claimed then you have nothing to worry about seeing as how it'll be the same generic shit as everything else.
Or you could just admit you were playing devil's advocate and like all AI shills you don't actually make a goddamn thing.
See this is the actual big-brain way to utilize ai as a tool for artists.
I'm thinking of doing one of those month long art challenge things but promt it in ai and then redraw it from scratch on ink an a paper
If you could train an AI from the ground up on a character model sheet you drew it would be amazing for animation and webcomics.
Can I train an AI with your art?
Yeah, since late September of last year, you can create a model with your own art but there's also another possibility that you could train a smaller model and use it in conjunction with a base model, we call it "LoRA"
I saw Leap but they require a paid plan to try the model out. Anybody using that or another model that's any good?
You could do stuff manually and install stable Diffusion on your system, training takes a lot of machine power, but there's ways of doing it on the cloud via Google Colab
No, I'm asking if I can use YOUR art.
Do you know how to?
I'll just ask an AI to do it for me.
I wish it was that easy
larping as usual
unironically everyone I've heard say this are morons who've been drawing for 5 years but made absolutely no progress, so they have to rely on ai to make something that doesn't look like it was made by a 4 year old.
>AI
>soulless
What else could it be?
Not everyone as blind as you are, homosexual. She has noodle fingers
>The Adventures of Bean Mouth and Sausage Fingers
I'd watch it.
Left looks like some corporate commercial for groceries and a ripoff of aardman clay animation in the worst way
>Just add some braces... AHHH! perfect! Print it!
>MMM I LOVE MY NUMMY VISUAL FECES
>PEH! you like that? It's so souless!
>He says enjoying live action remakes of animated movies
You are the supporting reason shit is getting worse.
ah yes, because corporate CGI movies are not shallow consumerism during late stage capitalism. you are so intelligent.
Because it is
Why do you post these threads all on different boards all at the same time?
So you can see if one of them defends aishit? Well too bad, because no one likes aishit here.
>b-b-but ai bad...
Call it cope but I genuinely don’t think this is actually AI, or at least not an unedited one
Very well.
Cope.
It's "midjourney" you can find that and any other drawing in their search engine by writing down the prompt.
If you copy paste their prompt you'll find the drawing made by the ai.
But jokes aside, tell me. Why did you think it's not made by an AI?
Stop huffing copium man, just accept that artists are about to get raped by ai
It's cope, look at how uneven the notebook lines are.
You can clearly see it by looking at the paper and sonic's face.
Look at the hands, mouth and eyes
>Soul confirmed easily replicated by a machine
Y'know that most "AI" art posted online is NovelAI garbage that always have the same style and pillow shading?
>NovelAI
I forgot that thing existed, it's been so long since that was relevant,
OWNED LMFAO
>Meanwhile
Owned.
>I don't like working hard
when did we get to a point where admitting this was something that people would say this proudly
I see this on Cinemaphile AI threads all the time. Some people are obviously trolling but some people really do believe this. I think it's a defense mechanism to cope with their lack of skill: "I could make great art if only I weren't so lazy! I just need the right magic tools to do the hard stuff!"
Why do you frequent AI threads if it's something you clearly don't like?
"Know your enemy"
>Enemy
Explain, why are they your enemy?
These threads are terrible for knowing your "enemy"'s arguments. Both sides are just baiting and trolling the frick out of each other for (You)s
ah yes because as we know, no current topics should actually have diverse opinions in them. They should just be a mindless circlejerk instead!
What do you think this thread is?
do you just not read posts that don't agree with your stance? Because I'm seeing a lot of different opinions on AI here and no matter how much each side screams 'they troll, they troll!' at the other side, that isn't going away anytime soon.
Well I have been on this thread for a few hours now so clearly i do, also how can someone who doesn't like AI troll about not Liking AI?
>"I could make great art if only I weren't so lazy!
But that's true, though. If talent doesn't exist and practice can make anybody a master, then the only relevant factor in any skill is motivation.
But that begets two other questions: How to motivate people, and how to keep them motivated throughout the whole process? No one seems able to answer this, not even the people who are literally offended by the very word "talent" - and there are quite a few artists that are. Which implies that Motivation is an innate talent in itself, which then undermines the initial premise of talent not existing.
tl;dr - people that are incurably lazy, and are a recurring blindspot in these discussions
People love to vice signal nowadays. Another example is when someone proudly advertises their lack of attention span by saying something like "words words words" or "not reading all of that" or "mucho texto". A celebration of moronation.
>Another example is when someone proudly advertises their lack of attention span by saying something like "words words words" or "not reading all of that" or "mucho texto".
I always laugh when someone says shit like this. People genuinely think they're making a SICK BURN by saying this but it makes them look like they have the mental comprehension of a toddler.
Holy frick this and "who asked" are moronic
>vice signal
Christ, can you interpret a single fricking stimulus from the outside without having to invent another fricking political buzzword?
Boomers and Millenials were to pussy to stand up to their owners/employers
We Zoomers will do what you homosexuals never could.
you're the only zoomer i believe in
Black person you can't call your dentist without having a panic attack or stuttering
Working hard is for slaves and morons. Work just enough to get by and spend the rest of your precious time doing what you love.
Some people do love their work (good for them!), but most people aren't so lucky.
I feel big 'I live off by leeching off my aging parents money' energy from this post
Why are you saying he's proud about it? He just thinks there's no point in working more than necessary to get to what he considers a decent result.
Most people only care about art being visually appealing
It was always "work smart not hard"
Anyone who is exceptional works both hard and smart.
Well, this is definitionally an 'exceptional' board so to say.
welp. that was full moron. I'll go kill myself now.
>exceptional
You mean "stupid"
No, I don't. Midwits only work smart. Idiots only work hard.
I don’t work hard because working hard yields nothing. Grifting and kicking your competition down is the only way to achieve greatness, even if it ultimately ends up being a hindrance even to myself in the end
>Grifting and kicking your competition down is the only way to achieve greatness
Literal psycho. You will never achieve anything
>when did we get to a point where admitting this was something that people would say this proudly
1990
It's been like this since the day the internet was born
Literally for years we've had plenty of spoiled little niglets wanting validation for doing jack shit and now Ai gives them the "power" to do this as long as no one questions the-
Oops people questioned them and now it's basically illegal to use it to gain power over people just because they have more self worth than you, the aitards, do. That's what you get for thinking you can be white and try lying yourselves into power. Pick up a fricking pencil and be a real man.
Most people don't want to learn how to draw and that's perfectly fine. Artists need to be taken down a notch.
Why?
>If I can't do something then nobody else should as well.
>Also these artists actually expect me to PAY for my generic coomer art!?
>And they're all communists too!
This but unironic. Also, have no problem with people doing stuff I can’t do but if a machine can do it better for cheaper I’m not gonna give you a handout simply because you don’t plan for your future better
Nobody sane wants to spend tens of thousands of hours learning to draw. Time is finite and adults have responsibilities. I honestly don't care about ai art but I am sick of artists jerking themselves off.
yea ur right all that time wasted on pursuing a hobby could instead be better used telling a computer "generate big boob" before going to the wage cage for 10 more hours.
Don't care about the ai boobies but people have to wagecuck to survive.
>Time is finite and adults have responsibilities.
If you're someone who openly and proudly admits they don't like to work hard. Then chances are, you probably don't have many responsibilities to begin with.
>Nobody sane wants to spend tens of thousands of hours learning to draw.
More sane than being a wienerroach that thinks they need to shit out billions of pointless remixed data online just to claim to be something you claim to hate.
>Using midjourney
>Lazy frick
Not surprising, he could have easily trained a model with the work of tommy moore and make it work
Looks like shit.
Thanks you too
>I want to steal from an artist I admire
>no, I specifically want to steal and not work on art
Commie AI gays would've been shot in a different era.
just a heads up, if you took an ipad to the past say, 200 years in the past with a modern day artist, and showed people a modern artist using a tablet or whatever, professional artists of the time would say "that's not art. you don't even use paint or a canvas, you're just pressing buttons"
pressing buttons, like a camera
Wrong shitpost, they would look at it like a photo you can paint over. Stop with this false reality shit, you doing it with visual feedback is not the same as AI "magicaally" materializing an imagine from nothing.
Ironic mention le past when back then some aishitjeet couldn't even use the "tool" because they wouldn't have any data to steal from to shit out a slop. Meanwhile a digital artist could still draw on paper without issue what so fricking ever when the batteries die out on the tablet.
You're full of fricking shit, you're not a real women nor artist nor human.
this guy is being an butthole about it for sure but i sometimes i wonder about the people who try to learn to draw for years and never had their skills improved
Because ultimately to improve a skill, you have to be willing to go outside your comfort zone. If an artist blocks themselves and refuses to go outside of their comfort zone of, say, How to Draw Manga books that they used when they were 15, then they aren't going to improve because they've already decided they've surpassed the need for improvement. Even if they consciously are saying they want to improve, you'll see them unconsciously kneecapping themselves time and time again by refusing to actually put any time into studying their craft in any way that goes outside of that comfort zone.
People are, how you say, kind of stubborn and set in their ways. Interesting, but stubborn.
>i don't want to work hard
Absolutely based for having the guts to tell it how it is
...is it supposed to be something not to be proud of? What? Do I have to be ashamed of not wanting to have an harder time getting through my life and passions for the sake of being, maybe, aknowledged by some rich butthole or a conservacuck, while instead I could do everything I need and like more efficiently thanks to modern technologies?
This. Liberate yourselves from your chains
>Ai can draw like a toddler
Congratulations?
>He could draw that sonic as a toddler
Holy shit dude, shows your art!!!!! Pls :3333
It looks like AI because his arm is melting into his body and its also too close to how Sonic actually looks to be a child's drawing.
I actually can't believe this thread hasn't been deleted yet
Tried the same prompt on a different model, got this.
Damn that’s good
turingtestbros... we lost
From installing stable Diffusion on my system I learned that some people can be bigger morons than you are, even if it gets easier, there'll always be a bigger moron.
I hâte ai shitters but this was funny
people that cant draw can still get by if they get good enough to draw zun tier art wich is technically bad but still charming
and it will be appreciated more than AI slop
>inb4 muh animashuns
skeletal animation, its that simple
trannies are just stupid and lazy
the more this gets spammed the less people care
>the more this gets spammed the less people care
yikes
the copium never ends
>>the more this gets spammed the less people care
>yikes
>the copium never ends
you're some chris tier crabby autist looking for a get rich quick scheme desperately grasping at straws, ai already got spammed in a ton of boorus and art sites and the novelty already wore off, people are just gonna lose more interest as time goes on because its boring at this point
ai has no market value
and if AI gets widely accepted for creative commercial purposes the market will become absolutely fricking flooded with crap that none of it becomes worth anything and it all dies like the vidya industry before nintendies saved it with bing bing wahoo
maybe to prevent that the government gets its grummy hands on the industry and begins micromanaging and regulating everything to pure shit just to control the frequency at wich AI slop gets churned out to the masses, all the while introducing its own breed of trojan horse cancer as is customary for the government, it would be such a shitshow, genuinely the best thing for everyone involved is to just keep AI around solely for shitty memes and porn, non commercial pursuits
Anti ai sisters…
>Samegay post
>Samegay "argument"
>Samegay "fake" gaslighting
The future of all forms of entertainment is incredibly bleak.
NINTENDO
ironically AI feels soulless
Its a weighted lotto pulling from prescripted actions. Top on most people pull from the same pool.
you're missing the point
yes AI can be used to generate individual images, not consistently but wahtever
but it can also be done to fill in for everything an artist needed to be hired in order to do. inbetweening, coloring, etc... so the fans won't NEED to be hired. they can just do the basic drawings and let the AI run with it and make their movies with zero studio involvement, no overhead, you can sell it for pennies and get rich.
did ai gays ran out of prompts? why so many threads?
The recent federal judge ruling that AI shit isn't copyrightable meaning it can't effectively be used by corporations has caused them to panic and desperately spam these threads to save face. Either that or its a falseflagger trying to make AIgays look desperate.
>Either that or its a falseflagger trying to make AIgays look desperate.
They don't need falseflaggots for that.
oh, something i predicted actually happened? feels nice. i mean, unless you use your own source files it shouldnt be a problem. as long as its trained on outside sources and artists, its wrong.
>that girl's fricking hand
>fully rigged animation model vs single frame of un-copywriteable mishmash made from stolen work with zero animation rigging, that cant be recreated on the fly to create the other frames of animation
yes, these things must be equivalent
>reeee stolen work
annoying talking point
>i dont have a rebuttal, so im going to scream at you
All artists have neural networks in their bodies. It's trained by seeing other people's art. Is it still "stolen?".
AIs using only their own data sets degrade and become unusable. AI constantly needs need art to copy to maintain quality. Without a dataset that was taken without the artists' consent, and AI can generate nothing. Less capable than a child really.
So?
Not true, multiple versions of stable Diffusion have the same dataset which cannot be updated via online because it's a thing you download to your system, the same is true for midjourney and Novel AI the datasets are curated by a human and then are trained into a model, this models stay this way until they want to updated it, that's how the Novel Ai model got leaked, that's why the arstation "no ai art" protest didn't work.
Artwork is an expression of people's lived experiences. A machine doesn't have experiences so it's just robbing them from humans and the output doesn't have any meaning to it.
Narcisstic excuse. Art is in the eye of the critic.
>Narcisstic excuse
How the frick else would artists come up with ideas in the first place?
Doesn't matter. Neither of you would visit art galleries anyway
Literally not what he was referring to, the one on the right can't be used for animation, because if you've ever seen AI animations they're vomit-inducing. We just don't have the capacity to make a computer program understand that kind of movement through space with that level of artistic detail. You get all these vertigo-simulating flaws where eyes and other details drift and shift and merge and change and it's like looking into a nightmare. Plus, even on a basic artistic level, the one on the right looks like it was made by someone who learned art from a teenager's "how to draw" guide. The details and stuff are there, but like the shape of her head and the length of her fingers and the detailing on her clothes and stuff is all subtly wrong. It's the Taco Bell of art. They *say* it's a "cheesy beef and bean burrito", but you can tell as soon as you bite into it that every one of those descriptors is wrong.
start animating anon. go ahead, you clearly have all the tools to make a feature length movie, or atleast a half-season cartoon so you can make it $$$BIG$$$ in holywud
I'm not feeling this thread. Very low effort and low energy. Too much reused material. Is there really nothing new being shilled? Is that ruling the only recent news?
This thread again? Both suck, but AI sucks more because it has no thought behind it.
I can hear the ditty in my head and I can't stop it
>doesn't input negative prompts.
Actual moron confirmed. Come back to the computer when you understand more.
You're casting your peals before swine. If you make the new thing mainstream it will simply be infected with all the mediocrity of what came before. Like when YouTube encroached on TV.
3D ISN'T TRADITIONAL ART YOU STUPID Black person
Here's a hot take for you Cinemaphile:
I honestly don't see a big difference between the "grub hub ad" character designs and most 3d animated films.
Grub Hub ad outrage was strictly performative.
That's not a hot take. You're correct.
It's almost like the GrubHub ad aped off of pixar and now you retroactively think pixar style is grubhub style
Congrats, you realize what AI is going, takes establish Artstation artstyles, making you hate them and retroactively think it's "ai created" so now no one wants to associate with that style anymore because it was enslaved in shitty advertisement.
this but unironically. i already think art station artstyles are too generic.
Even if AI advanced to the point where it can consistently stay on-model, there will still be some need for artists at a concept-level, showrunners and the like. What AI is going to do is absolutely decimate the "pay the bills" jobs. Making small company logos, art for radio station websites, a little cartoon for a brochure, some art of the mascot for "local hot dog festival," and of course a ton of the "it ain't flashy, but it's important" work in animation. Those are the jobs that aren't amazing, but pay the bills. They're 99% of what "A Career In Art" ends up being about. And they're going to vanish. So you'll no longer be able to make a living if you decide you want to be an artist.
Like I said, there's still going to be a need for artists at the top of projects. But there will be no money to keep people around while they try to climb to the top. The only people who will be able to make a career out of being an artist are going to be the folks that don't need those "pay the bills" jobs. Folks with family money to rely on. Y'know... rich people.
AI ensures a future where poor and middle class people have no hope of making a living as artists, putting our culture even more firmly in the hands of the rich.
I can't wait for companies to start using uncopyrightable AI generations for their logos
All that is true. It's unironically over for them. No wonder they're losing their minds over AI art. Techbros obliterated their entire industry.
we've been mass-producing bread for 150 years and bakeries still exist
a handful of them, white elephants
>industry
This goes far further than just animation or the entertainment industries. They're making it so that you won't have a hope of keeping a roof over your head as you hone your skills as an artist. So that's "artist" cut out as a career choice for everyone that wasn't born rich, handing our culture even more over to the 1%.
Techbros are fricking us over as a society. And the most moronic part is watching people yelling that this is somehow sticking it to the elites when it's doing the exact opposite.
The ultimate end goal is dystopia. Tech cultists want everyone else to live miserable lives of susbsistence where they live in pods, can only use their meager UBI income on approved sloppertainment and nutrient intake vectors (food is a luxury they don't need) while every step, eye movement, and potentially thought is monitored by surveillance to maintain the needed social credit so "society" can function. And should you want to leave, well you can no longer own a car and electric vehicles are limited in capacity, limited by where they can go, and have killswitches should anything unauthorized be done so you can't escape.
All because autistic cargo cultists can maintain the lifestyle needed to fuel their belief in being able transcend their meatbag vessels and live forever in digital heaven.
Don't pretend that this wasn't what the Leftist Commie artists also wanted. They hated everyone else and wanted them all to suffer.
"Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism" where all the right-wingers have been exterminated and the chosen communists rule over all. The only reason they're opposing AI is because they'll have to suffer like the rest of us.
I hate artists and nothing makes my day better than seeing them face the consequences of their actions.
>Don't pretend that this wasn't what the Leftist Commie artists also wanted. They hated everyone else and wanted them all to suffer.
Is this the part where you misinterpret a single huffington post headline because you're so addicted to undeservedly playing the victim that you've made up an enemy force that's millions strong?
So North Korea if global.
Elon unironically looks at China and thinks it's a great system. He wants to make X into a privatized WeChat that would basically make him one of the most powerful people on earth.
the fact people like Elon exist scares me more because he is a narcissistic idiot with so much money he has no concept of the struggles to make a living just to afford food and housing for a family of four
>AI ensures a future where poor and middle class people have no hope of making a living as artists, putting our culture even more firmly in the hands of the rich.
A good thing if we return back to a aristocratic society based on a strict moral structure, as everyone likes the art that was made back then.
Also, anyone who uses "folks" as some gender neutral term deserves the death penalty. You will never be a Southerner or Germanic.
this might happen but you won't like it because the politics of the rich lean overwhelmingly liberal
>the politics of the rich lean overwhelmingly liberal
no they aren't you moron, they just pretend for PR
They talk about how Liberal they are but still vote Republican for the tax breaks.
>You will never be a Southerner
Damn, all those years being born in Florida and raised in Texas... wasted...
Anon, don't serve me straight lines like that, it's unsporting.
I want to beat your head in with a brick through your teeth
>putting our culture even more firmly in the hands of the rich.
Its already in the hands of them with the while ESG thing.
>while
Whole
There is literally no reason to hire human artists for small projects now. AI can give you better art for a fraction of the cost.
Why does all AI art look like moe shit with zero personality?
>Moe shit
What did Moe ever did to you?
If AI was capable of making shit like this instead of anime shit, it would actually have some value. But it doesn't because AI users have horrible taste.
Why would AI make disgusting ugly Western shit? Its objectively bad and rejected by most of the world. I mean, it still could if you wanted too, but there is a reason no one does.
You have horrible taste, which is you your polluted Americans can only produce disgusting garbage that no one will remember in 20 years.
Beautifully typed
Cuz it's funny
If AI is incapable of being funny, it's a failure
Cute anime girls being cute is not funny
Tranime women "beauty" is now as right wing as western women "beauty" is left wing
Both are shit.
It can, more or less
Art is art fren
I'm really not that interested in text models
Is this AI, because it's completely devoid of humor.
No, it's the newest season.
Prompt?
>and he reveals himself to be a moron
Like clockwork.
Jokes aside this is what I get when I type that on the AI.
looks like shit mate
the prompt is “Don hertzfeldt couch gag” and I typed it into YouTube
>he was right
Seriously, why do you samegay? The space between posts gives it way
God Turning Red has the worst fricking designs ever. Stupid fricking female millennials ruin everything.
>Fans
Fans aren't better Westerners then the employees at a Western million dollar company. The only reason you Western "fans" think you can do a better job is because you have more free time and a (limited) greater understanding and focus on one little thing. But cannot produce great works as a fan. The biggest problem is the inherent lack of standards, you both will produce inferior work. Sometimes, you both are contaminated with disgusting western beliefs, and people with bad beliefs cannot make good art as you know.
Something I've noticed is a large problem with hiring fans of a franchise to replicate whatever is good about it tends to suck because they try to catch lightning in a bottle. Then, because fandom culture is a cancer that causes a feedback loop where everyone keeps taking inspiration from all the exact same shit instead of branching out
>unironically (You)ing braindead AIBlack folk who not only openly admit to being board tourists, but who also lack the skill to come up with anything more than the same months' old scripted bait arguments and images
It's sad that they can't even use their AI God to help them come up with fresh arguments beyond the standard bootlicking hurrdurr humans are just computers man!
Why would companies need to hire someone when they can create their own AI images for free, you fricking moron
"A company" can't create anything, you fricking moron. The board of directors isn't going to personally type prompts into midjourney, they will hire a minwage monkey to do it.
If this thread is any indication, artists' jobs are completely safe from AI. The absolute shit being shown here, and the inability to recognize it as shit, is astounding. Boring, uncreative people are still going to be boring and uncreative no matter what fancy tech you give them.
I just want to proompt large breasted muscle bunny Marvel girls. Not trying to sell anything, not trying to replace anyone. Sue me.
No, brother, you've found the true path.
Thanks, babe.
even with as weird as AI art can look to the eye, I always find myself respecting the AI coomers the most out of the bunch. At least the AI coomers are honest about what they want the programs for.
I also use it to make book covers for the drivel I write
Sounds like a fun timewaster. I might try that for some of my stashed away short stories.
As someone who reads Chink and asiatic WN drivel, I've noticed that they started using AI images as covers instead of stealing or shopping existing art now.
Nice dwarf you got there.
honestly the true artists in the ai image generation scene are LORA and model designers
its because they are honest and relatable. They just want big tiddies and some level of fetish material. Either you luck out and find an artist that caters to your interests, or you have to shell out 50+ bucks on a single fap image. AI just vomits mid level images out, which is all anyone needs to get their rocks off.
impeccable taste
No one would care if you didn't constantly post this ugly shit everywhere. If you just wanted to coom in peace you wouldn't feel compelled to "show off" It's like every cheesecake thread you have one moron posting AIslop now (probably the same handful of people) and it's worse than low quality DeviantArt shit.
strong disagree. The complete shitfit the pros threw over springtrap would have happened anyways.
Oh, see, if AI art supporters were just honest like that, I'd be fine with them. Infinite porn! Go nuts! Suddenly I'm right on your side.
>Free Art Generator
Nice going, gay. You really made the world a better place.. Didn't ya gay?
Automation takes people's jobs all the time and no one bats an eye. Now that it's affecting artists, all of a sudden it's a national emergency.
less automation and more off-shoring actually
.Truckers were always threatened with automation but it never happened
I dunno, Automation being a problem seems to be a problem people have been complaining about for a good while. Even in the context of AI truckers have been pretty ontop of it, I know I had their back.
>[Thing you care about and complain about] happened and you didn't care or complain about it!
Go frick yourself you presumptuous shit
They do, the learn to code initiative, was millions of dollars to teach coal miners to code after they lost jobs due to automation
I always thought it made more sense to just buy the coal miners out. They were mostly old enough where it wouldn't have been realistic to transition to such a new field.
Because mass producing junk is not the same as the human element that defines culture. You have to be literally black skinned to basically not get what a culture worth protecting feels like.
You wouldn't be alive right now without art.
yet now commercial art feels more industrialized and mass produced than ever.
Luddites and "lol serve them right for telling coal miners/truckers to learn to code" posts soon.
Don't forget posting the horse and buggy comic from 2015 and acting like it's from the early 1900s.
Using AI for fun and no budget projects is good
Corpos using it is bad and will unironically more likely lead to Skynet than little jimmy in his basement making naked werewolves in Midjourney
>Naked
>In midjourney
Good one
Black person I don't care about ethicshomosexualry my point stands
Who said anything about ethics? I'm just saying you are misinformed, you cannot do nsfw stuff on midjourney, never.
I know the prompt might be too simple
>Naked werewolves
Jimmy's a sick frick.
I think what scares me most about AI art is the realization that the world is filled with soulless bugmen that genuinely see it as equally appealing as actual art.
AI is already better than most artists.
Its really not. All it does is steal work from actual artists. So it can't be better purely from that.
AI art doesn't steal from anyone.
>Here is my AI, I need to train it on a dataset
>No artist will allow me to use their art in my dataset
>My AI now cannot produce art
AI fundamentally requires hundreds of thousands of art pieces to even begin copying. They scrape art posting sites without artist permission, which is theft as far as copyright is concerned
What exactly is being stolen in your scenario? Nothing, that's what.
>t. doesn't understand copyright laws
AI doesn't fall under fair use or creative commons, and thus is treated as theft of intellectual property.
>IT REPLACES ACTUAL ARTISTS
Most artists are mentally ill, narcissistic or both, they fricked around and found out. Plus AI art is meshed from hundreds of different pictures to the point it's no longer related to the original artist at hand. It's kind of like when American soldiers raped German women and left behind bastard spawn. It might be related, but it's illegitimate. Thus nobody should really give two shits.
If nothing is stolen, then create AI art without that data.
I'm anti-ai but I don't care about that and don't think most would care, they were going to steal random art anyway. However if they try to sell or even give away a free module with said AI art I would be quite against it.
>If nothing is stolen, then create AI art without that data.
so when you draw, you never have inspirations, references or cultural influences?
let's se you draw before knowing what a drawing is then
>BEFORE YOU DRAW, FIRST CREATE THE UNIVERSE
If you reproduce 1 on 1 is called a forgery.
well, then the argument is over becasue it isn't a 1 to 1 copy
You can get arrested for doing fake Van Gogh sunflowers. You should disclose clearly you're doing AI art and what is your model using.
>you can get arested from claiming it is artwork from another artist.
which nobody is doing, so I don't know why you're still talking
I didn't ask you about the philosophical implications of humans/machine learning using references, I asked you to make a AI image without any other data and you clearly can't.
that's literally what I said
>let's se you draw before knowing what a drawing is then
this was made by a real artist look at how he "stole"
get real
The human filter is not anywhere close to comparable to a rudimentary algorithm. We don't even "think" the same, algorithms are based entirely on brute forcing computations.
Literally nothing from that data looks like what's present in the final result. No stolen over hyper rendering, no stolen colors used, the fricking fact isn't even identical, it's all his interpretation of information, transformed, by his human soul. AI cannot and will not do this, because it's not "randomness" it's not "generatable" it's explicitly tied to the human psyche, right down to their genetical makeup.
The fact you cannot comprehend the difference from what you posted and what aislop fricking shits out is exactly why this shit needs to be banned, it's being manipulated by outright morons that don't understand what the process of art even fricking is.
Unless it's Deep Dream. But then, it's Deep Dream.
Creating a collage still needs the clippings, ya doofus. If said clippings are sourced from your own art/in-house art made by artists paid and informed that it's going to be used as an AI data source, it's fine.
But in reality, AI techbros skip the 'paying and informing artists' part, and that's what makes it theft.
Do you also need to pay Walt Disney in the grave for taking inspiration from Sleeping Beauty and other works? Intensely greedy mentality.
>not paying another artist to do things in Walt Disney's style
And I'm talking about audiovisual stuff, not the writing. You should know about this stuff, guy, why are you making yourself the fool on the internet?
moron
This poster is exactly the kind of bug person I'm talking about
A banana taped to a wall is fundamentally a more important work than any piece of AI art will ever be.
>Most people only care about art being visually appealing
Which is what worries me
Techbros are literal societal parasites devoid of a human soul, in my experience. Contemptible creatures to be sure, but also pitiable in a way because they seem to be unable to escape basic materialism.
let's be real, anon, we already knew that. It's just validation of a fact we had already figured out a long time ago.
yea pretty much the same here. I'm find with AI art being a cheap parlor trick but the amount of people I've seen who have seemed to base their entire personality around valiantly defending this arguably interesting technology is just depressing.
The chain events of the crypto bubble, followed with NFTs, and now AI shilling has opened my eyes to a class of soulless, lazy tech worshippers who are both easy to scam and want to be the scammer. My inner /misc/ack tells me they are chinese and indian, but I know in my heart that they could be anyone and everyone.
Listen to your brain, not your heart.
It's pure dilettantery. I've always hated people who only enjoy art on a surface level, with no care for the process or the details. When I look at an illustration, I care the most about the deliberate decisions made by the illustrator. I want to think about what the artist is trying to convey to me. Why did they use this shade of orange? Was this intentionally arranged to follow the fibonacci sequence? Why three trees? What is the symbolism of the crawdad? Computer program-generated imagery has no answers to any of these questions, because computer programs don't have motivations or thoughts or interests.
Me too anon. It's funny to laugh at AI threads here because it's all almost exclusively just coomers and trolls baiting for (you)s, but the moment you step outside the Cinemaphile bubble and see how invested people actually are in this shit is horrifying. The sheer amount of pajeets and low-IQ techbros who mindlessly worship whatever an AI spits out, regardless of how inconsistent, nonsensical or just plain poor-quality it is, is astounding, as it the ubiquity of them across the internet. They're everywhere, and they won't stop shitting up the place with their AI slop. It's like this whole Web3 craze has turned over a rock in the garden of society and exposed a writhing swarm of unintelligent, yet incredibly affluent, internet addicts lying underneath it. The only difference between the bugs and the bugmen is you can at least crush a bug, but these people, for whatever reason, wield an incredible amount of social power, disproportionate to their actual knowledge, expertise or artistic literacy. They'll flood the net with their garbage and force us all down to "enjoy" it with them.
AI art is supposedly bad yet artists can't stop crying about AI art replacing them. It makes them look stupid either way.
It’s bad but it is also good enough.
Same. But having worked in the industry, low-IQ techbros don't make it into those jobs because they don't know anything enough to be useful. Same with artists from poorer countries. It actually costs more time and money to get things the way you want them, because of a language barrier and poor hard skills. These people will clog up fiverr like they always have, but the truly serious artists will still work in the industry.
I'm a PHP developer and every single forum is flooded by slightly wrong generated answers that pajeets poop out as fast as their captcha reloads, because most sites reward participiation with moderator powers. There was a whole discussion on how AI answers are no longer allowed and there's a filter that tries to block it
>actual art.
like a banana taped to a wall?
This is going to put MORE emphasis on wall bananas because wall bananas are DIFFERENT than a constant stream of same looking digital goyslop. Congratulations, you played yourself.
if anything can be art, then aislop can be art
art was not gatekept on time and here we are
One woudl expect they would learn after Fountain and Artist’s Shit. But now, mr. Cattelan, your legacy is gonna be a silly joke, not your sculptures.
Which having AI Art treated as the Second Coming will encourage, because it turns out AI cannot sculpt, carve or manipulate anything physical, meaning that paintings are effectively fricking gone, and there's no point in trying to depict anything meaningful, because drooling tards will keep being entertained by an AI's produces, so might as well shock them.
The only answer to life is Jesus Christ.
He must demoralize your works and perspective of humanity for you to see his glory.
AI can be Christians too you know?
training AI to love Jeebus
Someone made the one in the left, the right was simply proompted thus the left is more valuable.
the left is only valuable because a corporation claims intellectual property which doesn't actually exist
Sirs I regret to inform you, the judge redeemed
I haven't seen this mentioned yet and I'm curious so I'll ask: how does this affect AI copyright outside of the States? It shouldn't, right?
It won't affect anything outside the united states, but also most of these people operate in the united states and want to sell stuff in the united states so like "getting it copyrighted in germany to bypass american copyright laws" won't help because it won't stop people in the US from just stealing your art (ironically) and using it for whatever they want, so someone like Disney or whoever is not going to invest in it if they can't retain their intellectual property rights to, say, a Mickey Mouse cartoon made with AI art.
if this only applies to art this will be easy to abuse.
no your honor this isnt art, as the person who mafe it this is nothing more than an engineering blueprint.
get a judge to make a point about that not being copyrightable and watch in real time as a judge is removed from the bench by Raytheon, Lpckhead Martin and GE because they are using AI to help design ICBM's
>get a judge to make a point about that not being copyrightable and watch in real time as a judge is removed from the bench by Raytheon, Lpckhead Martin and GE because they are using AI to help design ICBM's
Copyrighted material is displayed publicly so weapon systems wouldn't use it, they would use trade secrets registration that allows it to remain private. Basically you are a moron.
AI is actually soulless.Because you can simply tell that those who use it lack creativity.
Cinemaphile should AI "art" discussion be banned from Cinemaphile? Even MLP spam was less annoying than this.
yes but it won't be
now stop asking
This is the only time I've asked anon..
Sorry m8. It gets asked in every single one of these threads, sometimes repeatedly.
It's technology and there's no real place where the discussion of this topic can't be contained on, which what happened to MLP until /MLP/ was made, so your best chance is that we get /ai/
>It's technology and there's no real place where the discussion of this topic can't be contained on
Literally Cinemaphile or /b/ or /trash/
This pic is ass.w What the frick is that horizon line?
>It's technology and there's no real place where the discussion of this topic
No real reason why AI can't be talked on other boards, specially ones with prominent audiovisual topics.
It is what it is, it can only improve.
That reflection ont he bottom of the car makes no fricking sense. Also what the frick is that shit in the car's background supposed to be? Stairs? A wall?
It used to be an AI generated poster of Paris, i just img2img it into a cyberpunk aesthetic,
Since the poster is more focused into looking like a real illustration maybe the conversion took some elements and turned them into well "that"
Holy shit?!?!?!! Prompt?!?
Weird, never seen that one, machine learning can be chaotic but as it stands the further development of stable Diffusion has shown improvement over previous models.
>It can only improve
language models have proved the opposite, as degradation is common. The same is true for art AI, as shown with one system becoming obsessed with adding more lines to everything
Thank god technology is moronic
So much in this pic looks just haphazardly placed.
This is why AI will never replace artists. Both AI, and AI "artists" have no idea what composition or perspective is.
>You now realize ai happened 15 years too late to have moot perma ban it from all boards and make a containment board just for it to not shit up the site like it currently is today
Why live, bothers?
i want an /ai/ board so badly i swear
There's no such thing as containment boards.
Go ahead then, post a pony and see how long you stay unbanned.
do you think that with up-and-coming technology they can probably make an uncopyrighted regular show with big booby ladies made purely in AI
When AI becomes Skynet I hope the cargo cultists are the first to be wiped out, yelling "But I proompted!" as they're vaporized by the machines' laser guns.
Now that sounds like a nice promot, thanks man.
All 3 of those boards already have AI threads but nowhere near as talkative as this one, there's no real reason why AI can't be discussed here
Artists ITT, it’s very common for fa/tg/virgins to use random art they find online for their characters and campaigns. Do you think it’s alright for people to use AI to create character art/art used for personal reasons?
I don't see why not, as long as you don't hurt anyone.
But drawing your own characters will always be more satisfying.
if I'm running a cyberpunk/dnd one shot I don't give a shit if my players show up with AI art. It is the people trying to monotize it that I think is moronic.
I don't really see a problem with them doing it through art they find online or through AI. It's not like they were going to pay for it either way, and while my experience with campaigns is limited, they don't really gain anything from it either way.
As an artist I don't have any beef with AI, I even proompt stuff myself because it's kinda fascinating. It's just the disingenuous Pajeet shills who keep making threads like OP or the Chinks trying to shill their AI art Patreon that piss me off.
>I even proompt stuff myself
What do you use?
I know this is a moronic bait thread, but I'm curious. How would Cinemaphile react to AI animation that looks like that and is consistent? Would you be against it even if most of the errors are fixed just because it uses AI? I assume normies wouldn't care and like it even if it was blatantly AI with tons of flaws, as they do with that awful Corridor Crew AI anime rotoscope.
I haven't seen a single person enjoy the corridor crew shit, which is literally just a bad filter. Joel Haver has been doing the same thing for years but is much better at it.
Joel Haver doesn't use generative AI which is the difference
Absolutely. Hell, I'll generate AI stuff to get general ideas for inspiration too. The biggest problems with AI stuff are the attitude not the actual technology. "AI guys" have dedicated themselves to being furry levels of insufferable because for them its a culture wars issue.
>Do you think it’s alright for people to use AI
yes.
Is there a single billion dollars company?
you come on Cinemaphile of all places and ask this
/co/, the housing place of the majority of fricking Disney products
Disney is worth multiple billions of dollars not one billion dollars
whats with AI art and the same vacant soulless stare
>whats with AI art and the same vacant soulless stare
Its almost like AI is soulless and doesn't know how to convey emotion.
emotion is not conveyed in art, it is only produced in the viewer. thanks for playing
Because artists feel absolutely nothing when they create art.
What a waste of trips.
artist may feel emotion but their art literally cannot make another human feel the exact same way. the electrochemical reactions in the viewers brain literally cannot be the same as the artist's, and there is no guarantee that the viewer will have the opinion or sentiment that the artist had
>artist may feel emotion but their art literally cannot make another human feel the exact same way.
This is complete bollocks and is literally counter proven with fricking CULTURE itself. Shut the frick up.
counter argument, this image (made by me) makes me feel rage, how about you?
I definitely can tell my words made you seethe so hard you pissed yourself so you needing to visualize that is just extra fluff.
i didnt actually read your post i just wanted to post an image of some one pissing themself
horny.
>ai will replace artists
>Ai will let me make cartoons, comics and videogames without learning a single skill
>Ai will make me rich
Where is your cartoon
Where is your comic
Where is your videogame
>Where is your videogame
To be fair Valve banned AI generated art from Steam going forward, so if they were making a AI art game, of which there are tons of shitty AI VNs already, they wouldn't announce that they were using AI.
I see many youtube comments liking it.
Can you post the AI results and your edits side by side?
sure
yeah just a random girl I turned into midna, not finished though
im just joshing, but ive seen people over on twitter get pretty mad at my AI edits, I really dont care, sometimes I draw shit, sometimes I edit it, its all the same to me, just wanna make shit I like
Why? It looks like shit because the foundation is shit. It's like putting makeup on a pig.
>boohoo ai bad
Anon's art looks fine you luddite. Post your art if you really think your scribbles would have ~~*more soul*~~
>it's fine
Always the first cope for someone that doesn't want to admit something is shit
>Post your art
I don't draw so what would I post? At least I don't try to buoy my lack of skill by relying on a ~~*tool*~~ that generates nothing but putrid slop.
>can't make art
>claims he can judge art
What a dumbass
That's a moronic argument because the vast majority of AIgays can't make art either. In that case only the artists that you despise are capable.
Do you need to be a filmmaker to judge a movie? A chef to judge food? You can have knowledge of a subject and can have an educated opinion about it without needing to actually be able to make it.
original art poster here, I like pigs with makeup lol, and yes, I feel I can improve, but tbh you saying its shit will never compare to how shit my brain can think up they are regardless of AI involvement
>but tbh you saying its shit will never compare to how shit my brain can think up they are regardless of AI involvement
Some would say you might be too self-critical but I think your instincts are correct in this instance.
I edit AI art into shit I like, try and stop me homosexuals
I sometimes do this with an AI, i take a picture or any image and put it on img2img, make sure to adjust the Denoise and put a prompt that would turn the art into what I want, sometimes i add a LoRA if there's one for the thing i want.
So what's this previously something else?
Well this thread has been on for a whole now, so even if it's not a good bait, look at how many people have joined 🙂
Don't remind me of the (about to be raped:1.3) guy, that was dark.
>OP admit he made the thread just to bait
>people genuinely believe it's unironic shilling and by replying epic comebacks we are owning the AIjeets
These stupid threads would dry the frick up if you stopped feeding them the same replies every time
it gets spammed everyday with the same image i don't understand why the morons still keep biting it
>twy and stop me
Why are AI little homosexuals like this? Nobody is stopping you. It just looks like shit and you admit you have to use your human hands to edit it anyway. AI is not artificial or intelligent. It's just better to hire an artist at that point and make something that's not copyright infringement from the ground up.
>Nobody is stopping you.
That's true but that doesn't stop whiny artists from trying. They actually think they're going to be able to delete the datasets. How delusional can these people be?
>It's just better to hire an artist at that point and make something that's not copyright infringement from the ground up.
That's only true for top-tier artists. For the vast majority of projects, it's better to just use AI. It's far cheaper, quicker and it produces superior art.
Persecution fetish is all they have.
>Nobody is stopping you.
meanwhile strikes SCREAMING to ban AI going on Hollywood.
and lots of people trying to make it illegal or impractical to use.
good
be afraid homosexual
scabs
Boot-licking union workers vs scabs, who's gonna win?
>union workers
>boot lickers
What?
Since about 2012
I'm betting on the side with more coomer power. Which is the small indies.
>be afraid
yeah just like every pirate site is afraid lol.
dont care didnt care scab
your not editing shit my guy
painting a single line over a little pixel glitch still makes you a techgay
Just because you can dodge bans doesn't mean you are a master craftman of baits.
Second option.
Just tagging to see if you're doing your job.
>You have to remember that anons here consider that a good thing because that effectively boxes out younger people and minorities.
Zoomers and minorities are killing Western nations with Black worship and troonism, so yeah it's beneficial for them to never have jobs.
You take that back! kushinov illya has never stolen anything!
This but unironically. The stupid copypasta was made by a canadian moron artschool dropout who was too fricking dumb to know what masters' studies were.
Artists should learn how to use AI art tools instead of whining ceaselessly about them.
But Anon that's using AI, they wouldn't need to hire anyone.
They would need to hire prompters.
>you now imagine a big-nosed CEO typing "animated series hit cartoon best selling" into MJ with an eleic smile
They could probably just use interns instead
The prompters they hire are still going to be woke because they're the ones that actually want to put the work in.
That's the truth of the matter. The people anons hate made it because they actually tried. Meanwhile AI shills can't even put the effort into fixing their generations in post. They can't even deliver enough requests to compete with a drawthread. ALL they can do is complain after the fact and shitpost. And even that shit is lazy and reads like it was generated in GPT.
>AI shills can't even put the effort into fixing their generations in post
Can AI fix hands? I see in edit threads people asking to fix the hands
This is true. The AI bros will stop using this shiny new toy in a few years once it's boring to troll real artists with the results, because let's face it, they lack the discipline to actually make anything with their own hands. They'll move on to something equally dumb. The kids growing up who want to be artists will take it in conjunction with their own skills and make cool new shit. And like most artists they'll be little weirdos, so their shows will be "woke" or whatever and old fossils will still seethe about it.
Wowee, I can’t wait to be paid slave wages to insert prompts all day. The future is bright
>another ai thread
>another ai thread where the aigay claims to be superior to artists while just generating pictures of characters standing/sitting and staring
>another ai thread where the aigay can't even stick to generating pictures that are board-related
For some reason these ai threads have come back to being spammed across this site now after a while of silence and aigays sticking to their dump generals.
Do you think 5 years from now artists will still be seething about AI? They can't possibly be this pathetic, can they?
Of course they will, they are mostly spoilt kids living off mommy and daddy
>spoilt
not only a shitskin who can't spell, but admits they are a poor shitskin who's bitter over wealthy people jej
In 5 years all of Hollywood will be seething along with 99% of programmers.
is /tg/ still seething about 3d printers?
Now post the WebM of that pic on the right, the one where the robot gets vacuumed into the girl and her legs just shift around on their own
I've seen several pictures from the "revolutionary" AI book on the right. It's absolute garbage, he didn't bother with minimal consistency so the girl and the robot look completely different in every illustration.
>AI threads suddenly back in full force across boards after a short lull
Boss monkey Pajeet just renewed the job lease, huh?
Why?
Can't they just download the AI for free too?
Why the frick should they pay you?
Will you mouthbreathing morons stop replying to these bait threads?
Your reply is paying their rupees and clean water for the daily paid shilling
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138831566/#q138831566
Shut the frick up.
Steven Universe and iirc Star vs. hired fans, and the writing went to absolute shit. It's a bad idea
>Hire
That defeats the point of the AI. Why hire moronic incel to us the AI when you can hire literally anyone else. Some Hobo off the street can bring your astroturfed AI artist. It literally requires 0 intelligence.
>Some Hobo off the street can bring your astroturfed AI artist.
Why hire a hobo off the street when they can hire their family and friends? They were doing it already and now the skill barrier is gone. This isn't going to make things more open, it'll make them more insular.
I'm no ai hater. I'm an OP hater, because you're an idiot.
On the left is a rigged, lighted still of an incredibly complicated 3d model from a 30fps complete movie
On the right is what amounts to a very fancy auto complete. It has no rigging, no textures, no polys. It does look good, but it is so incredibly far away from the achievement on the left that making the comparison exposes you as catastrophically ignorant and proves the opposite of your point.
By the time AI gets to the point that your prompting will replace animators, Disney won't hire you either. AI is fun, but you won't be upending anything because you can write "cute girl ghibli style weird pet"
>cute girl ghibli style weird pet
It's a good prompt
looks nothing like a ghibli cat, and they have an entire movie about cats
Sdxl was the only model I had nearby sorry :0
AI is never going away. It's only going to get better as time progresses. This is going to be around for the rest of your life.
>2023
>still hating AI
/g/'s here
They're both soulless trash.
Saying fans in reference to animation implies there are fans of the current Disney stuff
An expensive vanity career isn't behind the one on the right
Cutting out the entitled nepo crew is a massive improvement
>vanity career
Nearly all careers are vanity careers, idiot. That's what separates a career and a job. One is a privilege and the other sucks shit.
This is Really desperate to have any sort of comeback, which merely proves the point that you want to enjoy things regardless of your ability to do them, whether make a comeback or make a cartoon.
What are you babbling about? Your sentence makes no sense.
you might be new here so here's a tip coming right atcha: don't fricking reply to guy.
>in b4 5 emails
>Cutting out experience/talent requirement will remove nepotism
How? It just sounds like it’ll be easier to drop their freshly out of high school sons into the mix
it has been over for a while now.
just accept it already so we can move on
>didn't even bother to clean up the loopy artifacting
Disgusting, not becasue ai but because they were lazy. The granny animal pill ad at least tried
Can someone post the animation that came from the AI image on the right?
What's wrong with One Piece?
why would they hire him? Just use the program
It's nice being able to actually draw.
Could you post some of your work 🙂
Please :*~~*~~?
>AI cannot sculpt, carve or manipulate anything physica
Yet
That's in the realm of robotics
>What is a 3D printer?
>>AI cannot sculpt, carve or manipulate anything physica
We could do this since the early 2000s, it's called a 3d printer . the problem is unlike Stable diffusion which is basically freeware you can't download a 3d printer for free. That's the really advantage AI image generators have, most are free or atleast very cheap.
Netflix used to be cheap too. I say get your generations done while the pricing is good
Here's the thing, Netflix was never open source but stable Diffusion is, as open source projects exist and are on people's systems, we are fine
>children in cartons are not sexy enough for my taste
Kys
...
That's a boy
Are boys not children?
>appealing design only means sexy
Stop thinking about sexualizing children, gay
I don't think anyone said anything about that but okay
Jannying is erratic. As long as they keep the place from being shut down in a flood of cheeze pizza, they've done their jobs. And a certain amount of AI talk is actually on topic and acceptable. But it needs to be in context of actual Cinemaphile shit that's being made and not just an excuse to yell about indians or whatever.
Duh? The value is not what's being produced but how and what is being used to produce it. When will summer break end? These kids are adorable, but this isn't a place for them.
you can replicate your own art with ai but because you're replicating it with ai available to everyone its still worth nothing
The value is not what's being produced but how and what is being used to produce it.
I can't sell anything related to Disney, but I can use my knowledge to sell you what you need to generate anything associated with Disney.
Images are worth nothing.
so selling proprietary AI software then, what would the market value of that be then if FOSS AI were to catch up?
>so selling proprietary AI software then, what would the market value of that be then if FOSS AI were to catch up?
Yes and no. You can literally sell convenience. It doesn't matter if it's open source. Convenience has a price.
I can give you links to where you can learn how to prepare a dataset, how to train a model/checkpoint/lora, how to set it up, the logic behind prompt, settings, extensions, etc. Or you give me 20 bucks, and I'll do it for you.
The images are worthless. The knowledge, not so much.
yeah, I learned that. Still don't think that it warranted a year long ban though.
You made this thread already, frick off.
It's been here since yesterday
What is there to shill if AI is free?
Explain why?
Welcome to the club then.
Wait doesn't this mean anyone can use it and gain money from it?
Not the same thing moron
>Wait doesn't this mean anyone can use it and gain money from it?
>surely if anyone can grow food than everyone can sell it instead of eating it themselves!!
You need to be 18 to post on this site child.
exelent sirs keep up good shill work sirs!
Am I the only one that liked Turning Red?
AI advocates are like these threads and are only for the inbred of lower caste of society.
see
ha ha HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO OMG!!
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/us-judge-rules-ai-generated-art-is-not-protected-by-copyright-law-1234677410/
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/ai-generated-art-not-protected-155808768.html
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated-art-no-copyright-district-court
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ai-generated-artwork-not-protected-copyright-law-1234809089/
https://mashable.com/article/ai-art-copyright-debate
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-works-not-copyrightable-studios-1235570316/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/
>the future is AI prompts bro! Trust me, I'm a good proompter!
then why don't you download Marvel's secrent invasion intro (which was made with AI) and upload in your youtube channel?
see how well that works for ya
>then why don't you download Marvel's secrent invasion intro (which was made with AI) and upload in your youtube channel?
>see how well that works for ya
see:
>crypto bros and ai poo-poos on suicide hotlines
Its so weird to see people being this dumb. I'm so glad you're the laughing stock of the internet. Your face blindness cant even see why normal people find AI art creepy and uncanny.
>bla bla bla
you people are so pathetic in deying the future
we are laughin at you
All stolen assets.
find the original then
where is it?
Share the assets
Normal people love AI art,
Don't you remember the "dinosaurs get a job" and the Chinese instant anime AI? Hell don't you remember DALL-E mini? It got so big that people flooded the DALL-E 2 website, it's never going away.
yeah, because you have autism
thank god you will never reproduce
nice argument, kek
I'm glad the only peeps that support AI slop are soicels. The future is bright.
It isn't but whatever, the world will end and I'll feel better knowing i never got into any of this shit.
>It isn't but whatever, the world will end and I'll feel better knowing i never got into any of this shit.
you will die alone
for spreading misery
image quoting is part of the natural progression of quote arrows and i dont see why people get so assblasted over it
Didn't we have this exact same thread three days ago?
there will be like 4 threads with the same shit until jannies finally decide ban it
It's weird cause if they just wanna talk about AI in cartoons and comics they can just talk about it without resorting to baits.
that's not true and you know it
I wish Cinemaphile liked AI, there's plenty of AI art that I love and wish to share with my Cinemaphilempanions, but I know it would be spammed by AI haters
>start a thread with '''haha drawgays will lose their job''
>get responses
>ahh stop, you AI haters'!!!
Im neutral to AI but I know people here use AI mostly for trolling than anything else
Stop giving the dead Nephilims their vessels.
>Im neutral to AI but I know people here use AI mostly for trolling than anything else
Do you also know this place is filled with tourists? Try starting a discussion about any modern cartoon and see how long it takes for a culture war chud to show. Neither sides care about Cinemaphile. They're like this idiot
. The best they can do is use buzzwords followed by more buzzwords
Bold of you to think anyone would give a frick about your coomslop
This isn't discord.
homie, why would a website for of nobody asshats care what some nobody asshat did that any of them can do as good as you?
I've never once seen an AI thread here that was
>look at the cool thing I made
/g/, /d/, /h/, /aco/ can all do it. Because they're they're porn dumps and their threads start with a list of links so everyone can add more porn to the porn dumps.
But here? They're ALWAYS started with OP being a gigantic homosexual and using the entire concept as a way to troll, shistpost, bait, and passive aggressively throw a tantrum because someone he refuses to name refused to do a furry commission for him. AI shills here post almost zero art and what they do post is off topic shit that wasn't pulled off of google or civitai because they're homosexual phoneposters.They offer no advice on how to make the content because they don't make content, they're here to make bait and don't actually know how the content is made just so they can scream at anons and say >that's not how it works!
This has attitude has poisoned the well. If it were a false flag it'd be the most effective one in the site's history but I don't think anyone that uses this site is smart enough to actually manage that.
It's been shown in more than a few of these threads that they don't really want to talk about cartoons or comics. Whenever actual Cinemaphile discussion is brought up in these threads, the AIgays immediately show how little they know about Cinemaphile shit. They know what pisses people off on specific boards but that's about it.
You know the deal, every day until you like it. Or not.
>dude!!
>check out this awesome guitar riff I made!!
that's a nice analogy.
only music for blockbusters are made with a real orchestra, movie music is generally made with pro tools and kontakt
Cool, now generate that same character consistently across every page/frame and from multiple angles.
Hard mode: no getting someone to tweak imperfections.
>spam threads
>get banned
>“how could this be happening to me?”
literally this, homosexual acting like he didn't spam 20 fricking threads yesterday kek
at least they were fricking board relevant, unlike the daily Cinemaphile spam.
Doesn't make it not spam. It is just as bad.
I wonder if the people who work on automation in the 80s ever felt guilty putting the production line worker out of business crumbling the blue collar work force. Would you think they commit suicide, or they sleep on a big pile of money?
that looks fricking awful though, just a mass of flesh with random musculature strewn about without any real sense of form.
Spam more threads then. It's definitely a good use of your time.
>good use of your time.
And money. Don't forget this idiot is spending money to do this.
Is this how far Cinemaphile has come?
No good content means no good threads. The actual animation and comics discussion is at Wrong board.
No. I think the coomers are just getting started. Character AI, + lora, +fast webcam mocap.
>Is this how far Cinemaphile has come?
Did you frickers seriously bump this thread from page 10 for this?
I bet you're a janny and want to keep this thread alive because you got paid by advertisers
The amount of backhanded seething from AI homosexuals over their continuous losses in court the past few days has been great.
The only ones seething here are artists. AI artists are mostly just doing their own thing while artists act like whiny toddlers.
>AI artists are mostly just doing their own thing while artists act like whiny toddlers.
"AI artists" aren't even a real thing that exists. They are not artists; they are techbro homosexuals who tried to get rich off crypto and failed, then tried to get rich off NFTs and failed, and now are trying to get rich off displacing people who actually have a talent people are willing to pay money for.
I'm betting Alex ross will start using this shit in his creative process, and it will be seamless.
>Imagine being this desperate to suppress meaningful discussions of AI. Meanwhile AI is still easily generating information about my setting.
Bitch, there are no "meaningful discussions of AI" in this shit. This is just shit-flinging.
Show something of worth and not some shitty image with one sentence. If you consider this shit worthy of anything and not just shitty Culture War™ ammo, I have a folder full of gold.
If you can't, you can go frick yourself with a broken glass bottle. And take your shitty Culture War™ with you.
Yes there's one sentence, the point is how it generates meaningful information about my creative setting. It's so meaningful that it threatens people to desire censorship.
Always so desperate to start out by declaring victory, Lamers.
You didn't respond to what I actually said, your contrived ad hoc standard condemns learning from Walt Disney too.
I'm warning you, I can make a lot of ruckus by showing how my creative setting can be extrapolated from things such as recent animation products. AI is very helpful.
Even though AI is impressive when it gets the fingers and arms right, there's still a place for real artists. You can sense the feelings of the real artist in their work, don't get the same feeling from AI.
Though, some of these real artists are pretentious and I appreciate AI making them butt-blasted.
How does Cinemaphile do it? Even with all it's flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.
>above
*below
>still image
Vs
>animation
Full moron. Next you're gonna complain why movies don't look like the Mona lisa
no matter anyone's opinion on ai, the truth is that pandora's box is open
If you can't outcompete a machine, then you don't deserve a job.
>artists trying to gaslight people into paying commissions
It's over for artcels.
AI art generation is never going to work. They're just not capable of actually producing art. I know you don't like the idea, but you're just looking at a convincing facsimile of art, not the real thing. It's like looking at a picture of your dead wife and listening to a recording of her voice and pretending she's still alive. Besides, these companies are mostly american-based and want to profit off of it, and there's now a ruling saying AI-produced works cannot be trademarked.
>They're just not capable of actually producing art
I agree. The human behind it is. You might not like this, but that's a fact.
Of course that human is capable of producing art, they just have to actually make art instead of asking a computer program to assemble fake art out of stolen assets like visual-art ransom note.
>they just have to actually make art instead of asking a computer program to assemble fake art out of stolen assets like visual-art ransom note.
And who are you to decide what is art? I remember, nobody.
>And who are you to decide what is art? I remember, nobody.
The rest of us is your audience you're trying to convince is the future goyslop connoisseur. Holy shit, you fricking techgays are so easily weak and feeble.
Art is an expression of the artist's perspective. Art allows you to briefly see the world through the artist's eyes, in one form or another. The artist's perspective informs their way of representing things. Sometimes it's very literal and an artist will draw a landscape of some sort, their literal "perspective", but sometimes it's more abstract and it's an emotional piece of some sort. Some form of abstract art using color and form to represent their feelings in a very visceral manner. Sometimes someone tries to do the former, but ends up imbuing it with a little of the latter, like Monet, who actually painted like that because he developed cataracts. AI generated art cannot represent an artist's perspective because the computer isn't actually creating the image, only assembling it out of scraps, and the person prompting the art can only pass on any perspective in an extremely indirect way that can just end up implying "he liked big fat breasts", which, yeah, sure, granted, relatable, even, but that's not really an emotional core for the art to represent.
>who are you to decide what art is
John Art, read the name tag.
>And who are you to decide what is art?
I, as a human, have more rights over all things non human. This is OUR planet and we control what we want to be allowed, homosexual.
If human hands made the stroke, it's art. If human mind made that decision it's art. If its not that it's not human and thus, not art.
While the sentiment was there, I fumbled my words pretty badly. What I wanted to say is that you're nobody. Your opinions are worthless. Your source of validation is fricking Twitter. What's next? You're going to claim that AI is Satan's tool like the religious freaks?
Since you can't create or produce something with substance or creativity (even with a magic box), the best you can do is move the goalpost.
So, go back to your default routine.
>If I say AI art is theft, that is fact. As I can prove it by explaining how AI art is generated from the work of other artists in a algorithmic catalog of visual impressions that corresponds to mission prompts.
>If I say AI art is the future, that is an opinion. As I cannot disprove or not artists will stop learning to draw, write, or sing their own work to save time and effort for making something of their own.
Its okay to bully AI artists if they dont admit they are stealing.
The jannoids are getting paid to let these threads up btw
And you pay for IPs to get their attention, idiot.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the pajeet farms that constantly shill AI on here were paying off the jannies to allow their bullshit to stay up.
Double their usual rate at that.
as a guy who's made zero dollars off his art, i wish the ai guys luck
The basic problem here is that if you're already setting your sights on using a consumer-grade AI to do your art for your project, then you don't need to HIRE anyone. You just download it and do it yourself, or get one of the 20,000 underpaid interns already working at your company to do it if you're a corporation. There's no need for fans in that equation.
Nooooo you have to spend hundreds of dollars to hire shitty voice actors for a small fan project you're not making any money on
so remember guys:
The next people you could be debating online are just like these "real artists"
There's no real argument, there is logic of fact. It is just a childish temper tantrum of "I matter and what I have to say is important"
when it really isn't.