>Hmm... We need to get rid of this ring...
1. Use magic to get rid of it or teleport it to some very secret place
2. Get the elves and dwarves to work together to find a way to destroy it in their workshop
3. Give it to Tom Bombadil
4. Give it to a tiny peaceful Hobbit with no physical power or any experience, to ubereats deliver it to the enemys doorstep (succeeding only thanks to plot armour, not to mention that balrog could go in the lava and pick it up).
>hmm... A wizard as wise such as myself *smokes pipe* I shall choose option 4... And I shall give the Hobbit the bare minimum help, no bodyguard or guides, just send him with plot armour...
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It worked, didn't it?
OP BTFO
Why did Jesus have to get resurrected and tell only his disciples and a few other people that he was the Messiah and had defeated death! If he was the son of God then he could have zapped every Roman with an energy laser and made the israelites reign supreme over the planet! Hahaha. I am very smart.
Are you being anti-semitic?
That's what the israelites expected the Messiah to do, and why they rejected Jesus.
It was a test he could only pass in the way that he did
That's the plot from the upcoming game The Inquisitor.
Stop saying he's an all powerful god.
1. sauron would win without the ring
2. they would just fight over it and someone would take it
3. who is that
> we can’t give it to tom bombadil. he’s a flake ngl no cap. why would i cap about this
What moronic Black person speak is this shit?
It's called the Black Speech. It is forbidden.
>Use magic to get rid of it or teleport it to some very secret place
The magic used to forge it was stronger than anything Gandalf could have conjured. There would be no secret places after Sauron conquered the Earth
>Get the elves and dwarves to work together to find a way to destroy it in their workshop
The Ring was forged with powerful magic by Sauron himself, only Mount Doom could unmake it
>Give it to Tom Bombadil
Explained in the book
>Give it to a tiny peaceful Hobbit with no physical power or any experience, to ubereats deliver it to the enemys doorstep (succeeding only thanks to plot armour, not to mention that balrog could go in the lava and pick it up)
It worked
>There would be no secret places after Sauron conquered the Earth
No one ever found the Silmaril that was thrown into the sea.
I found it through the teachings of Jesus Christ
Who's looking for it
>make a metal box of same material, that is also indestructible except for mount doom lava
>seal the ring in
It was that easy
Sauron wins without the ring anyway.
Just make an armor of same material as well and put Legolas in it
leggylass is allergic to it you big gay moron
Then how did he lose even with the ring in the Second Age?
good thinking
thinking the same thing except for the "also indestructible" part, because I think forging it in mount doom was a necessary procedure for the ring to have that property.
but just encasing it in a small cube of mithril or something would at lease mean frodo or whoever can't be tempted to put it on and attract the ring wraiths. The magic of the ring probably means it wouldn't stay in there forever but they don't need forever.
Tom was a madlad who would just put the ring on his pony or around his wiener.
It's the last thing Sauron expected them to do
>playing game
>getting absolutely dominated
>frick it, I'll just be moronic on purpose
>yfw it works
How many times are we going to have this discussion? Sometimes Cinemaphile feels like being in a loop of time.
>catched
Sauron gave up on looking for the ring literally after the first attempt. As soon as the nazgul were hit by the river, he just reassigned them to the war on Mordor and never tried to find the ring ever again.
He figured it was a certainty they'd try to use it against him, because that's what he'd do. The ring would then co-opt its user for him. He was too hubristic to consider they might try to destroy something that powerful instead of use it.
The Silmarils aren't designed to seek out an owner.
Gandalf says that if a powerful person like Saruman got the ring they could beat Sauron and become the new dark lord
Gandalf is most likely making an assumption there. As for Sauron, again, hubris. He assumes he'd BTFO any challenger and they would have simply delivered the ring to him. Arrogance is his defining characteristic.
Why didn't he learn from being btfo 3000 years earlier when he still had the ring and having to live as a fire ghost ever since?
He spent those thousands of years subverting the people of Middle Earth. He was weaker than he was at the end of the Second Age, but men and elves were far weaker still. A conventional army took him down the first time, but had absolutely no hope of doing so this time around.
What was the arkenstone?
A big gem.
ooooooie
Someone answer me this.
If Isildur refused to destroy the ring, the orcs must have heard of this event. He also just rides around with it on his chest.
So they ambush him, kill him as he flees into the river, and then they just don't bother to look for his body? They don't bother to search the river? They just abandon this powerful item that supposedly has a will of wanting to be found, but nah it just sits in a river bed for however long until pure fricking chance some boat midget picked it up? I don't get it
Orcs dont care unless sauron or sauronman tells them what to do
So who ordered the ambush if sauron was defeated and saruman had yet to be corrupted?
The ring warps reality in subtle ways. The ambush may or may not have been orchestrated. Either way, Isildur was using invisibility to escape, when the ring slipped itself from his finger at a critical moment, leaving him exposed in a river to get picked off by arrows.
>reality warps
>unreliable narrator
Gotta say tolkiengays, these are not good contrivances.
The shots showing isildur riding around wearing the ring like a medal are on Jackson
i have to brush up on the lore, but it's entirely possible it was just a roving band of orcs that killed a band of humans for loot.
iirc the shots filmed at the start of fellowship were done to be a sketchy showing of events that had slipped into myth. In reality Isildur probably didn’t wear it on show for the world to see
The ring probably hadn't corrupted them fully yet
>weld ring shut into mythril box
>now it's completely inaccessible, no temptation to wear it
why wouldn't this work?
Mithril is not indestructable. It's basically a stronger steel.
Besides sauron is powerful enough to conquer middle earth even without the ring. It had to be destroyed.
At least it would prevent people from accidentally wearing it
It doesn't have to be indestructible, just hard enough to break into that Frodo wouldn't be able to do it while on the way to Mt Doom
It would take too long, and anyone who really wanted it could just nick the box and break it open.
After the council of Elrond, Frodo stayed in Rivendell for several months while Narsil is reforged and Aragorn and others scout the surrounding areas for nazgul, all the way to Mirkwood. They had the time and resources to encase the ring in mithril.
Wouldn't do much good. The ring could still work its influence through any casing, and anyone serious about taking it from the bearer would be able to break it open with a little time and effort.
I suppose it could inconvenience someone who wanted to put it on right then and there, but at the end of the day carrying the lump of metal with a ring at the centre just isn't very thematic.
Bow consult the wiki again to tell me where they get the mithril from
Frodo's armor
Mithril reserves & forges are in Moria and no longer available. You also can't smelt Frodo's chain armor.
Same reason Sauron didn't put a lock or guards at the gates of mount doom bad writing
but but... muh hubris!!
Do you lock your oven door in case people try to put your money in it to burn it?
He considers it impossible that anyone would even consider trying to destroy the ring. It's just not an option in his worldview. With that in mind, there's just no point to guarding a volcano.
There probably were guards there, but Mordor got emptied out to fight Aragon at the gates. His first and smaller army got beat, so to his mind he isn't taking any chances and pulls out all the stops to crush them.
Yes. He's not a person, he's a god of arrogance. It's fundamental to his being.
Why not just go to a different volcano?
All the other volcanoes don't have enough doom
>he's a god of arrogance
It doesn't say that anywhere in the books
That's a simplification. He's a Maiar, essentially a demigod. Each Maiar is associated with, and takes on the characteristics of, a given Valar. Sauron took after Vala Aulë the Smith, and in time, his perfectionism in his art of creation was warped by Melkor. Melkor himself was arrogant enough to try to out-sing Eru (God) during the creation of the world, and he warped Sauron to reflect that. There's a direct quote from Tolkein referencing Sauron's pride as boundless.
Besides, it's very obviously thematic.
how dare you imply I'm a soijak
that's extremely rude of you, I think you should apologise for hurting my feelings
kek they do be like that
the worst is they got me saying "isn't Galadriel supposed to be basically a demigod" all the time while watching the goyslop show
No because you have Black person level iq.
Sauron has the logical conclusion that Aragorn has the ring. That's why he attacks Minas Tirith. He has no idea 2 hobbits would take the ring all the way to mordor. That's why it worked. That's the entire plot. Anyone with 2 brain cell would understand this.
He had no need to send every last orc to the gates. It was a tiny army.
What is the point of ring anyway? Why Sauron created a weakness for himself
>Pretend to be a good guy
>Help create lesser rings for kings of elves, men and dwarves
>Create One Ring in secret to control the lesser rings
Only really worked out with Men, Elves were too suspicious and Dwarves too stubborn, but that was the plan.
Besides the subversion, it also amplifies the user's innate power. Shitty hobbits get a small buff, high level wizards get a big buff.
It was designed to dominate the leadership of the free peoples as a plan A, and make Sauron strong enough to fight them on an even footing as a plan B.
What's the point? If all you do is stop someone else from wearing it you're not even delaying Sauron's win.
>What's the point? If all you do is stop someone else from wearing it you're not even delaying Sauron's win.
I mean why not do that along with putting people on a quest to destroy it. Sounds like an easy precation
No time to waste on making a box that could be broken open by anyone determined enough anyway. Mithril isn't invincible.
It's an (almost) indestructible phylactery that corrupts people to reunite it with it's host, and drags its wielders into the shadow realm as a shortcut to get it back to its owner. What's so hard to understand?
Why didn't Gandalf just have the moth fly the ring to Mt Doom?
He didn't have a parking permit for mt doom so he couldn't land there
This thread is %90 capeshit fan morons who don't understand complex writing. Ring basically has it's own will and power to affect events in a subtle way, like a god.
Ring would never let itself to be hidden forever or be destroyed in a stupid way. It affects minds around it. Only some hobbits are resistant because they don't care about power.
Also there's no element of luck in middle earth, there are only magic/valar etc. affecting little things. Ring always somehow would prevail in a luck situation because it changes such events. Only a greater power can win a luck based event against the ring, hence Gollum's fall to lava was done by Eru.
Got it thanks. it is a device to explain Tolkien's asspulls and bad writing
tolkien had a masterpiece up his ass. all you have is shit and cum.
its hack writing
In the books the whole thing is way more insane. Elrond and Gandalf initially want to send only Frodo and Sam to Mordor and Gandalf only later decides that they maybe should have some help.
Someone on the council does bring up that dragon fire could maybe destroy it, but I think Gandalf shoots that down cause there's no dragon that'd be both cooperative and/or powerful enough to do it.
>1. Use magic to get rid of it
only evil uses magic in lotr
You would think with all that magic put on that ring, you would also add a GPS magic to locate it when lost
They don't have any satellites, dum dum
why didn't gandalf, a homosexual, simply not keep it in his prison wallet?
Because anyone who'd put his dick in Gaydalf's ass would end up wearing it like a wienerring.
damn, tolkien really thought of everything
The biggest plot hole is, and will forever be, that Isildur, at the height of Gondorian power, in possession of The One Ring, jobs to a couple of level 1 mook orcs shooting arrows at him and loses the ring. That's inexcusable. Imagine if Sauron was just riding along on his business and a couple Hobbits brained him with rocks from their slings and the war was over
congrats on missing the entire point of the ring
You missed the point, moron
try reading the books again. i'd suggest the part where they literally and explicitly explain the ring isn't an inanimate object, but has its own will and makes deliberate actions in opportune moments. like slipping off its owner's ring the moment he relies on it to survive an ambush
Why didn't the ring slip of Gollums finger one of the countless times he was catching orcs to eat so that the orcs can bring it to Sauron? hack writing
He didn't eat Orcs. He ate raw fish, lizards, and very rarely snuck up on a shitty Goblin. Bilbo was likely the first real opportunity it had.
Oh, sorry, my bad.
It is (ring) magic, i aint gotta explain shit
The ring only amplifies the wielder's innate power. A mortal without magic is still a mortal, and still largely without magic. That's not even considering the extent to which the ring may have set him up to fail.
The ring can instill emotions so it probably made him extremely proud so he felt he could ride around orc territory with just a couple bodyguards then a cowardly mess to force him to run away to the river where the ring could slip away.
The height of Gondorian power was probably with Hyarmendacil I.
Isildur ruled for just a few years, immediately after a devastating war in which many Elves and Men lost their lives.
why not just cast it in a block of elven steel so it literally can not be worn and then have someone uber powerful like gandalf or galadriel transport it to the mountain really sneaky like
they cant be temped by something they cant wear
Go away mithril box anon, or I'll spray you with my water bottle. shoo
The first thing he did was give it to the dwarves, elves, and humans, moron-kun.
Why didn't he give it to Eru? he works for him, so he could at least ask him. Eru could destroy the ring.
Eru works in mysterious ways. Even though he directly intervened on multiple occasions for the benefit of the elves and used his OP magic to immediately solve the conflict, we just cant say one way or the other whether he would have taken it.
If the elves were smart they would have sailed it to neverland where then Eru would have had to destroy it because it would have tainted the world.
But he may have just sunk the ship to stop it from reaching his shores.
Eru and Valar can't directly intervane into middle earth matters because that had world destroying results before. Instead they send maiar such as Gandalf to deal with that kind of shit.
Why didn't Bilbo just write down that the eagles carried the ring to Mt. Doom, so that the rest of the story didn't need to happen?
He was stricken by dyslexia, which was sadly a poorly understood condition at the time.
The great eagles are highly intelligent and noble creatures, they don't sell their IP rights cheap
Mordor had air superiority, fellbeasts would fly circles around eagles
Little fun fact: Mordor had more surface to air defenses in place than all of the Battle of the Five Armies.
Just fly higher. Surface to air is worthless against eagles.
They had air superiority fighters
so why didn't they just take the ring to the dark lands or some other continent besides aman? also tolkkiens reason for them not being able to take it to aman was moronic, the ring was 100% the valars fault
Sauron wins if they don't destroy the ring, hiding it won't solve the problem.
He already figured out simple Hobbits have plot armor.
why didn't earendil just drop the ring in the sun?
he forgot his sunglasses
>And I shall give the Hobbit the bare minimum help, no bodyguard or guides, just send him with plot armour...
They were all meant to go together, splitting up was not intended.
Are people still seething because Fellowship was an amazing fantasy movie and whatever the frick Amazon did sucks?
I hope that amazon will retcon fellowship and have Galadriel bring the ring to Mordor on an eagle
1. Use magic to get rid of it or teleport it to some very secret place
Not possible. The ring is enchanted to make it's way back to it's master. Regardless, Sauron didn't need the ring to win. If they hadn't destroyed the ring when they did. Sauron was on the cusp of winning without it.
2. Get the elves and dwarves to work together to find a way to destroy it in their workshop
It was made specifically that it could only be unmade in the same place. There's no work around.
3. Give it to Tom Bombadil
They did. He didn't give a frick and everybody who knew Tom also knew that he would never ever give a shit about it or help them.
Nope, if Frodo and Sam died and the ring was captured he still would've made the Battle of the Morannona win for the west because he was a lazy author
lol, gondor barley survived in the first battle, now they are supposed to defeat a new army? marching on the black gate was a desperate suicidal attempt to draw sauron's attention, they would never actually win that battle.
>he was a lazy author
He was so lazy that almost half of the length of Return of the King is an appendix giving detailed information about half the entire fricking fantasy world he created, including things like how you pronounce Elvish vowels
Why didn't they just sail out and drop it into the sea? It was lost in a small river for thousands of years for gods sake.
>"NOOO WE GODS CANT INTERFERE IN THE AFFAIRS OF MORTALS"
>God himself yeets gollum into a volcano
Couldn’t they just ship it to Valinor? Gandalf took one of the elvish rings with him there in the end.
Sauron would still win. They needed to destroy the ring. Hiding it would lead to annihilation.
So if Sauron + ring = defeat, then how did they beat him in the flashback at the start?
Elves in 2nd age and especially numenorian men were giga chads, modern (3rd age) men are muttified and elves are weak
>1. Use magic to get rid of it or teleport it to some very secret place
Those who seek it would find it
>2. Get the elves and dwarves to work together to find a way to destroy it in their workshop
The ring would corrupt them
>3. Give it to Tom Bombadil
Those who seek it would find it (also Tom doesn't give a frick about hiding/protecting it)
>4. Give it to a tiny peaceful Hobbit with no physical power or any experience, to ubereats deliver it to the enemys doorstep (succeeding only thanks to plot armour, not to mention that balrog could go in the lava and pick it up).
Are you ignoring the Hobbit?
>those who seek it would find it
Sad the dark lord couldn't find it 10 feet below the surface of a pond.
It worked it's way back in to mortal hands, and he subsequently sent his guys to retrieve it. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when and Sauron had all the time he wanted.
Why not throw it into their Mariana's Trench then? It would take thousands of years for the Middle Earth beings to have the technology to create a Challenger Deep to retrieve it.
The sea monster in Rings of Power is a fallen angel, basically a demigod.
Time is irrelevant to Sauron. He's literally already waited thousands of years to recover and build his army.
On top of all this, he didn't really need the ring. He'd get it eventually, but it wasn't necessary to take over the lands.
The ring literally got itself found, didn't it?
By someone who up to literally the last moment in his life didn't have any intentions on returning it to Sauron.
And yet Sauron still felt it's presence eventually and sent his guys to retrieve it. What do you not understand?
He didn't feel shit. Gollum had to tell him about Bilbo.
Absolutely irrelevant. It's not "if" it's "when". If Sauron needed the ring, he'd sure as shit get it.
How did that work out
Lol, rangs of powa is so dead that we are back to regular lotr posting.
>Sauron'sman is actually working for Sauron the whole time
Bravo Tolkien.
>1. Use magic to get rid of it or teleport it to some very secret place
The ring has its own will, and a "very secret place" won't stop that
>2. Get the elves and dwarves to work together to find a way to destroy it in their workshop
It wasn't their creation, they couldn't destroy it
>3. Give it to Tom Bombadil
He didn't care about the ring and would forget about it
>4. Give it to a tiny peaceful Hobbit with no physical power or any experience, to ubereats deliver it to the enemys doorstep (succeeding only thanks to plot armour, not to mention that balrog could go in the lava and pick it up).
Hobbits are small, unassuming, and sneaky. He was invited on Thorin's mission for a reason
Obviously that's a bait, but it's a good and thoughtful bait, so here's the answer right from the books, tards:
>Use magic to get rid of it or teleport it to some very secret place
It would be found again. They actually discussed about just throwing it in the ocean. A temporary solution, that would work for what? A hundred years? Two? One thousand years? Evil will always come back, and would find it again. Temporary solutions are that, temporary.
>Get the elves and dwarves to work together to find a way to destroy it in their workshop
Can't. What exactly did you not understand when they said no artifices of elves, dwarves, men, or Maiar would break the ring?
>Give it to Tom Bombadil
He would just lose it again. Tom, by nature, give 0% fricks. If everyone asked him to guard the ring, he would do for approximately 2 hours, until he thought about fricking his banging hot Faery of a wife, and then he would throw it in the garbage bin. Do you know the amount of Black folk and evil that right now are searching through every garbage bins in western society?
>Give it to a tiny peaceful Hobbit with no physical power or any experience, to ubereats deliver it to the enemys doorstep (succeeding only thanks to plot armour, not to mention that balrog could go in the lava and pick it up).
Can't stealthily send an entire army into Mordor to destroy the ring. 10,000 people have something about being, you know, visible. A highly specialized team of the best elves, dwarves, and humans available possibly could. And the humility of the hobbits are a strength, here, Frodo is far less likely to be tempted.
This is excellent bait, by the way. All answered in the books, and tailor made to make LoTR fans seeth. I like the style.
The ring needed to be destroyed, it was what anchored Sauron to Middle Earth as an immortal being. If they just hid the ring away Sauron would have won.
sorry bro he had samwise and the power of a united fellowship in complex relationships with eachother that were platonic and they barely kissed so yeah !
>extended version is 4 hours each
Jesus frick
yes and?
If the eagles were such noble and proud creatures, why didn't they get a set of rings like the other sentient races did?
Sauron was a racist
1) When have you seen teleportation spells in Tolkien's universe?
2) You'd never even heard of the Dwarves or Dwarvish before Tolkien wrote them. What makes you think you know better than he does about Dwarven and Elven diplomatic relations? Also, didn't you watch the films? The council of Elrond scenes convey this matter quite well.
3) What movie did you watch with Tom Bombadil?
4) Why didn't OP make a thread about gay sex since he's such a homosexual?