What's so unpleasant about most of that? That quote sounds like the type of shit that bitter women say about their "manipulative, abusive narcissistic ex-husband" and is more reflective of how unpleasant and weak the West is.
There's no higher power that's going to do all those things for us, but if there was some dictator that embodied those qualities, I sure as hell would want them on my team.
>This abstract concept does not exist as a physical thing in the material world
And yet we act all spaced out and in awe when a scientists says the Earth is made of Unicorn Farts
>And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
And then every judeo-christisraelite clapped in awe.
You're comparing traditional religious text to the act of an academic with no religious leanings making an obvious and matter-of-fact thing more mysterious and magical sounding than it really is
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the day you refute this I will believe in God
2000 years to come up with a good response and god gays are still btfo by this.
It's as simple as this, God's love is infinite. Yet at the same time his capacity for hate is infinite. If God gave you free will and you exercise it to choose evil or in some cases you willingly do nothing to prevent evil who should you really blame?
Funnily enough that was Wonder Woman 2017 original ending when it was still the Snyder Verse, she realizes no god is making any man commit to world war and she’s the only one actively intruding and it’s just the nature of men.
Unironically true. Christian God in the Bible is basically king of the incels which might explain why there's such an overlap in America between evangelicals and being an angry sexless loser
God is not forcing them to reproduce and face the pain. Women that actually wish to have a kid go through it willingly, as God intended. That pain is basically a failsafe to stop women from shitting kids in a whim because creating life is a very serious matter (as he would know).
Next.
All of those character traits are bad when people express them but not when God does because God is holy, which means all of His ways are right. Every night, I fall asleep to the sounds of Christopher Hitchens screaming in agony.
>God >all good
Where do people keep getting this idea from? >killed 99.9% of life on earth with a flood >made a dad almost kill his son for the lolz >has sent billions of people to be tortured in hell for eternity for no reason other than not believing in him, regardless of how virtuous and altruistic they were in their life
Christianity makes a lot more sense when you view God as a dictator who demands worship, rather than a benevolent father who loves you
>Prove you are ignorant without saying you are ignorant
>I created evil but it's your job to end it
so god is just some pissy lazy bastard who expects his children to do his dirty work for him otherwise he will punish them with eternal hellfire?
yeah that's Abrahamic israelite religion for you lmao
Imagine falling for this crap for 2000 years straight
Gods spread evenly across everything. Personifying him is something I see theists and atheists do. Idk why. It seems like they're both stuck on dated ideas.
I always imagined if you sat there looking at a glass and asked god to lift it, someone would walk in and take a drink from it because they were thirsty. Because it follows a logic. God isn't going to open up the console commands and break the system he created for every little thing. Especially for things that can be solved internally. I imagine all these religious instances would be records of moments he did crack open the system, assuming they're legitimate.
But that's just my thoughts.
well said, I use to be athiest and it's really funny and disappointing to see how simple and dull people are trying to make a being like god into. The arguements they use are based on such infantile and "human" standards and logic, god is such an abstract unfathomable concept that people truly will never fully comprehend. He is everything and nothing, theodicy and why evil exists is the biggest reddit go to for owning le religious people except the people pointing to the existance of evil are always the ones that can hardly even grasp the full concept of evil/ the negative from a philosophical and advanced view and yet they want to argue the metaphysical aspect of evil.
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the day you refute this I will believe in God
God didn't created evil tho.
Why should he stop it?
It's a human consequence.
Imagine your dad having to stop and make up all the frick ups you do in your life
Why would God do the same thing?
Also >He is not stopping evil, so he is malevolent!
What the frick is that argument
It's like saying, if a dude is pointing a gun to a women, and I don't stop him before he shoots, I'M a killer.
That's kindergarden morals rigth there
>It's like saying, if a dude is pointing a gun to a women, and I don't stop him before he shoots, I'M a killer.
It's like saying you knew your entire life that the woman would be shot, you went to the shooting strapped with enough firepower to overthrow any government on Earth or elsewhere, and then watched it happen. Sure, "not your responsibility", but then some people called you an butthole for not acting and then you shot them instead. That's more of an equivalent scenario.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you knew your entire life that the woman would be shot
Then nothing I do will change that.
Why would I?
2 years ago
Anonymous
LOL.
Are you like solipsistic or something? If you were armed to the fricking hilt and had all of the foreknowledge possible and had every opportunity to save the person about to be shot, would you not even attempt to do it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you were armed to the fricking hilt and had all of the foreknowledge possible and had every opportunity to save the person about to be shot, would you not even attempt to do it?
If that women is going to be the grandmother of a hitler baby in 600 years probably not
>the ultimate creator who's responsible for everything didn't create evil because... BECAUSE HE JUST DIDN'T OKAY?!
I laugh every time I'm confronted with this kind of delusional mental gymnastics
2 years ago
Anonymous
Believing God just molded the earth into shape is as delusional as you thinking God molded a black tar-like energy and just whooosh rain it into the earth as "evil"
If I I teach my son to value other people and he goes and shoot someone anyway because he just want to, I didn't "create evil"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>be computer programmer, claim to be the best that could ever exist, a literal wizard with computers >write something full of bugs >get called out on it >uh uh uh um bugs are just how computers work you can't get rid of them
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you die in a video game
frick these bugged game mechanics
2 years ago
Anonymous
>write something full of bugs
That's the contention point tho.
The code he wrote function as intended when played as intended.
If you tap to it and tamper and start shit around, why call god on your frickups?
Anon we are perfectly aware of why tsunamis forms, it's an eartquake on the ocean
And cancer is a celular degradation caused by mutations on the dna, also perfectly explainable
What the frick has that to do with "evil"
>Men do that not god
Say, how old was Jesus's mom again?
I ain't giving Zeus the benefit of the doubt. Why should that be different from the Christian god?
Breh "pedophilia" is a made up line that's less than 100 years
It's legal to frick 16yo kids in some countries in the usa RIGTH NOW >how old was Jesus's mom again?
Say 16. Perfectly legal. In the usa. Rigth now.
Now what.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Say 16.
It wasn't, but whatever.
>Breh "pedophilia" is a made up line that's less than 100 years
If your argument is "You are defying god by correctly believing you shouldn't frick teenagers" then I will happily defy god.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>correctly believing you shouldn't frick teenagers
Correct by who?
Is 16yo ok to frick for you?
Because the legal system says it is.
In some countries is 14yo. If you move there, the legal system says it is.
In some countries is 12yo, if you move there, the legal system says it is.
"Correctly believing" according to who? And we are not even "defying an omnipotent being" here, just common human man made imposed limits.
2 years ago
Anonymous
god causes natural phenomena, these natural phenomenon destroy the lives of humans at random without caring for virtue or faith, if a human caused the damage these things do he would surely be evil so why is the first cause of these worldy events not evil?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>god causes natural phenomena, these natural phenomenon destroy the lives of humans at random without caring for virtue or faith,
I mean, technically we don't know that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A- An earthquake doesn't think about his actions, so it isn't subject to moral judgement
B- Men can build protection against enviroment that doesn't think about his actions, making earthquake resistant stuff, so even if it could think, men can intersect
C- With sufficient knowledge (ej: if in the future we could predict eartquakes 300 years in advance) this wouldn't even be a moral issue, at a fundamental level is an argument based on current ignorance
2 years ago
Anonymous
But what if man could simply blink and stop or undo the earthquake, but just didn’t because lol. Do you worship this person? The only reason to do so would be fear.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but just didn’t because lol
Because "lols"? No
Because there's no point of "stopping" something that's a consequence of a 1000 other things that will eventually do no harm? Why the frick would he stop that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
god chose to kill thousands of innocents through earthquakes over the last 2 thousand years
2 years ago
Anonymous
Earthquakes are produced by friction on the tectonic plates anon
Evil doesn't mean evil in this argument. It means any bad thing. Natural disasters for example. An all powerful benevolent god wouldn't create natural disasters.
And all your dumb free will arguments don't apply because natural disasters predate humans.
>Evil is the natural state of the world
Holy shit you fake Christians drive me nuts. Only Man is capable of evil, the natural world is neutral. have a nice day.
God is all powerful and invites to participate in His creation by giving us free will to love or hate him, to obey or disobey him, to give into sin or strive for virtue.
We all fail sometimes. One of the priests that hears my confessions remarks >Only two people never sinned: Jesus and Mary. And repeats Romans 7:19 >For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do
Even Saint Paul struggled with sin terribly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, your rules are dumb and I choose sin.
I don't choose evil, I choose sin.
I don't want to hurt people, I want to enjoy my life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just remember this >The wages of sin are death.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's why I can't go fully behind Christianity >Jesus never sinned
Except when he was bashing israelites for trading within synagogue, or when he was promising to torture eternally those that did not believe in him. Or when he was telling people to put him over their own mother, father, sister, brother, etc.
Which are at very least anger and pride. Which is sin.
I utterly dislike this notion that "ruler" Is above the law, instead of shining example for those rules.
Also dislike this "king" - "slave" Mentality. Especially to something (Trinity) or someone (Jesus) that I never ever met For Sure. Someone that teaches to be humble and strong in being weak, to supress urges, but DOES NOT actually protects those that abide. They aren't invincible. At any moment they can be cheated, lied on or about, killed. There are no instructions how to open up your own super powers and protect yourself or at least Know For Sure that there IS afterlife AND it actually isn't dogshit.
Fricking hell. Muslims have absolutely xenophobic religion (so do israelites) and they get promised 72 giantesses in afterlife, for each smelly hair Ahmet.
What is Exactly Christian afterlife? Mmm? Just eternal ceremony?
There are evidence that what black people got their Christianity they mixed it with voodoo.
I think same thing happened with Europeans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hoe are muslims xenophobic when everybody can become a muslim? Also that 72 virgins thing is exagerated. Unmarried people will get non-human companions in the afterlife though. Even then the examples from Paradise in the Quran are just examples and you will get everything you wish.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because everyone MUST become Muslims, or their laws and morality don't extend (according to Some subsects) on those that don't/won't
Same shit with israelites but you only born israelite
Opposite to that is Christianity. Be nice to enemies too so they can see how awesome Christianity is and accept that Jesus respawned after 3 days cool down and they will skip heck through him
Or Else! But as far as material world goes everyone is equal (on paper ofc, then again neither israelites or Muzzles REALLY follow Tor, Talmud or Quarantine)
From God's point or view, that greater good is already achieved, since God's omniscience includes all of time.
Fundamentally, your argument is: "Man does evil, and God created man, therefore God is evil."
This is no different than blaming your parents for your own sins. Just because your mother gave birth to you, does not make her responsible for all of your life choices, no matter how much you resent your own existence.
This is just dumb logic. Fixing the evil of men isn't the responsibility of some god and to have such an assumption speaks more of the egotism of man.
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It's as simple as this, God's love is infinite. Yet at the same time his capacity for hate is infinite. If God gave you free will and you exercise it to choose evil or in some cases you willingly do nothing to prevent evil who should you really blame?
If God intervened everytime people did something evil they wouldn’t be able to exercise the free will they got. Life is a test and it would be unfair to punish people for the things they didn’t do.
>His influence grew considerably during and after the Enlightenment, profoundly impacting the ideas of major thinkers, including John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Jeremy Bentham, and Karl Marx.
The only response necessary to this, is to ask them to describe a world where God is fixing everyones problems constantly, to the effect that no one ever has problems in the first place. Such a world could not and will never exist.
But this is what atheists seen to insist is the only scenario God could exist in.
>Good and Bad are not measures of power...
Not to defend Snyder credit, but thats not what the lines saying.
He's just saying if God is truly God then he can't only embody the good in the world.
But there are plenty of things you must take on faith everyday that you cannot be factually certain of. If any of you actually lose your virginity and get a girlfriend, you have you have trust that she will be faithful and not get railed by the Chad at work. Every time you cross the street you have to have faith that a driver isn't tweaked out on meth and will come to a stop. Whenever you order food you have to hope the cook didn't spit or piss in your meal.
If you refuse to take anything on faith and will rely on what you can factual prove you will turn into an OCD schizo lunatic.
>ass cancer
Most likely your lifestyle in some way causes cancer >pedophilia
Men do that not god
You are attributing things you don't like to god, when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for it
You don't have cancer because God sended you a magical evil ray, you probably are sitted 18 hours a day and don't clean up your shit
There is literally no difference. Both rape women, take drastic steps to maintain their power, are supportive of human progress and development but seemingly only to a point, and will murder you if you stop worshiping you.
>Well, god created the universe and Zeus didn't.
Okay, and?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think you're talking about Genghis Khan, anon.
Why do you personify god? Because you argue with people who do?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I think you're talking about Genghis Khan, anon.
I mean, he's pretty close to a real live old school god.
God is not forcing them to reproduce and face the pain. Women that actually wish to have a kid go through it willingly, as God intended. That pain is basically a failsafe to stop women from shitting kids in a whim because creating life is a very serious matter (as he would know).
Next.
Isn't one of the first things he does is tell humans to go out and reproduce a lot? I feel this is sending very mixed signals.
Also, if the issue is too many kids why is abortion a issue?
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you saying God has BPD
2 years ago
Anonymous
Somewhat?
Honestly, my personal stance is just that if there is a god then he doesn't give a frick about humans. The wellbeing of the universe is more important than any humans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Isn't one of the first things he does is tell humans to go out and reproduce a lot?
You are missing the point entirely.
Do you think He wanted a bunch of failures having kids and throwing them in the desert to die because they can't feed themselves much else half a dozen plus kid because fricking is free of charge?
>if the issue is too many kids why is abortion a issue?
Do you think He wanted a bunch of failures having kids and pulling them out of the womb with a hanger to die because they can't feed themselves much else half a dozen plus kid because fricking is free of charge?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Do you think He wanted a bunch of failures having kids and pulling them out of the womb with a hanger to die because they can't feed themselves much else half a dozen plus kid because fricking is free of charge?
I mean, considering he made sex really fricking fun, yeah? Don't see much else of a reason.
Like, why not just have kids grow on a fricking tree? Why not actually have storks carry babies?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>why not just have kids grow on a fricking tree? Why not actually have storks carry babies?
what part if 'creating life is a serious matter and should be treated as such' didn't you understand? If they grew in trees they would be as perceived as irrelevant as an apple or an orange.
Nowadays we would probably harvest the frick out of those kid-growing trees for the israelites to make profit of them anyways.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what part if 'creating life is a serious matter and should be treated as such' didn't you understand?
Then why not only make it possible to have kids if you get a personal permission slip from a angel? Is that too much bureaucracy? Hell, why not just make it really hard to have children in general. As is, it mostly just hurts and used to be liable to kill the women and the child. Which we mostly cured.
Which, thinking about it, what if we invented something that makes births painless? Are we actively defying god then?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Then why not only make it possible to have kids if you get a personal permission slip from a angel?
Because that would be against God's given gift to humanity: free will.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Because that would be against God's given gift to humanity: free will.
You can have bureaucracy and free will.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>having to ask permission >free will
No.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You make a choice to ask permission. If you get it depends on your choice.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you need to get permission to do something that you would otherwise do of your own volition you don't have free will by definition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you need to get permission to do something that you would otherwise do of your own volition you don't have free will by definition.
In that case none of us have free will.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>In that case none of us have free will.
Half true
>good and bad are not measures of power
Yes. And?
It comes down to semantics and it's dumb Hollywood writing but it seems that you lack the abstract thinking to get the point of what's being said here, which works.
By the way this movie is fricking trash and I hate all of capeshit.
In other words he's an idiot who crams god into everything he can't understand.
Science education temporarily sated his non-understanding.
But then he hit the limit of scientific understanding and this flaw in his character reasserted itself.
He's no better than a caveman who saw a thunderbolt, and lacking an explanation, invented a storm god.
>b-but he's a famous physicist
Irrelevant. He did something stupid in spite of his education and intelligence. It happens.
I'm on my 3rd pitcher homosexual, i killed god, become god, find it beneath me and settle as a mortal that appreciates life, liberty and chaos to the highest degree
>God >all good
Where do people keep getting this idea from? >killed 99.9% of life on earth with a flood >made a dad almost kill his son for the lolz >has sent billions of people to be tortured in hell for eternity for no reason other than not believing in him, regardless of how virtuous and altruistic they were in their life
Christianity makes a lot more sense when you view God as a dictator who demands worship, rather than a benevolent father who loves you
>>has sent billions of people to be tortured in hell for eternity for no reason other than not believing in him, regardless of how virtuous and altruistic they were in their life
Debunked. Hell isn't real.
Take the LDS pill.
>made a dad almost kill his son for the lolz
I hate how everyone knows the story where God stops the sacrifice but no one remembers the story where someone actually does give their daughter to God as a burnt offering and God accepts it. >Judges 11:29-40
actually believing in made up sandBlack person israelite fairytales is the cringiest thing in existence
two and a half billions of brainwashed morons
oh and don't get me started on mudslimes they all deserve to burn
They're kind of like psychological pain receptors. Serving a similar purpose.
But this field doesn't usually serve an immediate harm unlike physically. So it gets hard to decipher.
I like how in no point of that chart the fact that humans are the ones making evil is ever taken into account.
It's just "there", like an evil black tar-like force to checkbox >Lions, check >Trees, mhm, check >Evil, check
Dehumanizing evil and passing the ball to god is the argument's flaw.
>Then God is not good
What does this nullify? If there was a God, then all good and all bad would be within it. And so would you and I.
Why do atheists not think God would be above all good and evil? I think they spend too much time arguing with boomer christians.
>What does this nullify?
It nullifies the idea that god is good. The point of this paradox isn't to do with whether or not god exists. Its just examining the contradictions that would appear if he did exist.
What's paradoxical about it?
It sounds more like the author just wants god to either be solely good or just not exist.
And it seems to be pointing out contradictions that humans believe about god, rather than held traits of god.
It would be more contradictory to believe that god only exhibits one side. Since how much of a god could you be if you only represent half of the whole? Maybe
english speaking audiences were frustrated by how badly it mangled epicurus, in combination with how snyderverse superman was never characterized as all powerful or all knowing.
People gotta realize that religion is meant to serve you. Its tradition, family and love. A warmth that you can hold onto when you need it, something to bring comfort.
Its not fact, but its not truth either. Its what we make of it, how we internalize the lessons left for us and bring those forward to best serve our own needs.
>People gotta realize that religion is meant to serve you
Please. There is a aspect to that. But above all, it's just population control for the upper class. I disagree with the marxist idea that it's opium for the masses. It's a pen for livestock.
>If god is all powerful he cannot be all good
When you clean up your front garden do you think about all of the plants and bugs you are killing? No? Then why would god?
ontological proof is cringe >a thing that is all positive properties must exist because existence is a positive property
frist mover argument is cringe too because it really boils down to lack of imagination
every argument is these two wrapped up in some way that it's embarrassing. the question of "higher powers" is outside the realm of axiomatic reasoning; it's like trying to prove the moon exists with just a mathematical proof detached from reality. it's absurd. i'm an atheist btw
Anything else is unacceptable. Human civilization cannot be build with aid from Satan, it cannot be made under the bootheel of god. Reject Satan, kill god.
I'm an Atheist but I really hate when people make the cringe "there's bad therefor god either allows evil or he doesn't exist!"
It's the first one
literally the entire bible gives all the lore behind this
So your criticism of the point is refuted by the entire bible
Doesn't mean there's a good, doesn't mean you're wrong, but you sure aren't going to convince anyone so it's a pointless argument that just makes you look ignorant
>I'm an Atheist >literally the entire bible gives all the lore behind this
I think its really funny that atheists cite the bible just as much as fundamentalist christians
How pathetic. You read a whole book you don't believe in just because you wanted to argue with people you think are idiots.
There are multiple points there where you could've just stopped. But you're emotionally invested in christianity. Something you think is stupid, right?
>You read a whole book you don't believe in just because you wanted to argue with people who think we should base federal laws on select (!) passages from the book they haven't even read
Yes, moron.
So you're a lawyer?
In that case, I can respect it.
But methinks you just argue with people on Cinemaphile with that knowledge instead :/
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So you're a lawyer?
Do you think only lawyers are engaged in politics, anon? Seriously?
2 years ago
Anonymous
So what. You're just lobbying or something?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm involved in local politics in rural Texas. The only way you can talk to some of these people is by arguing against their beliefs with what the bible actually says.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fair enough.
But just be aware of when you can and can't make a difference for some people. There are hundreds of thousands of communities like that.
>You read a whole book you don't believe in just because you wanted to argue with people you think are idiots.
I read the whole book because I like studying human myths. I'm a dork who grew up playing Shin Megami tensei and Touhou so most of my cultural background is learning about myths. I don't believe in the bible anymore than I believe in legends about Celtic fairies, but I still think the actual stories are pretty interesting.
Respectable. I believe its important to realize exactly what the bible was. Which is an accumulation of information written on pages. Further retranslated and reinterpreted.
Personally, I think its like an ancient internet in a way. It just pertained to its respective geographical region. Stories and traditions get recorded in it and are able to spread to areas further than word of mouth. Creating a culture larger than what individuals can physically do. Ideas and wisdoms are able to be learned more universally.
2 years ago
Anonymous
While I get what you are trying to say, most of what you describe is just meme theory. Which, granted, I do think myths and religion are central to. But it's still not something exclusive to the bible.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Religion mainly interests me in its role in human development. Since the "true" experience is simply the one we're in. Myths and religions being the memetic condensation of whatever humans can record of it.
There's a parallel between societal growth and their ability to transfer ideas and things quicker and further. Religion was an important role in incentivizing that during early development.
The metaphysical theory of all of them is a different story, though. Especially behind all the purely human to human ideas stored in traditions.
There's just an irony of it to me.
If you're trying to dismantle it, then why don't you point at the world instead of the book? If its so idiosyncratic to reality.
And if the person you're talking to fails to understand, then why argue with them?
1: If you want to break something down it's good to know all of the tools. 2: By that logic all arguments are inherently pointless. Which, okay, they largely are. But I feel this is more about swaying the majority than your opponent.
>But I feel this is more about swaying the majority than your opponent
Do you really feel the need to do that against christian fundamentalism? It's been dead since the 2000s. Its a literal meme.
Its people like you who are going to usher in whoever takes their place. You notice how dogmatic people have been lately about their beliefs? Be wary of creating a new dogma. Because the dogmatic sensibilities of the fundamentalist christians is what made them so bad. Just because you defeat them doesn't mean you got rid of the societal tension you perceived from them. Its naturally waning anyways.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Do you really feel the need to do that against christian fundamentalism?
I don't know. I feel a lot of people, especially centrists, somehow think they can be reasoned with.
>Be wary of creating a new dogma. Because the dogmatic sensibilities of the fundamentalist christians is what made them so bad
While I get what you are trying to say and I do mostly agree. I would also add that, at least when it comes to America, not being a doomsday cult would be a positive step.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not being a doomsday cult would be a positive step
Our nation is being ran by a doomsday cult and they're not citing christianity.
Given the state of things, I think the population in general has a logical enough reason to be believing like one, though. Ironically giving credence to the doomsday christians who were always like this, but thats besides the point.
I just suggest taking a look at the types of people who try tearing down this pasts image of christianity. Or whatever broad concepts that they dislike. Capitalism. Racism. Whatever these people like to associate to christianity (which are all a part of their personified character of the old age they're dismantling to make way for their new one).
To me these people look like they're just making credibility for their new dogma by destroying the old one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>To me these people look like they're just making credibility for their new dogma by destroying the old one.
I mean, that's not bad if the new one is better.
To a certain extent I kind of think you need at least some degree of dogma to get anything done. It's mostly just not letting it consume you that matters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I mean, that's not bad if the new one is better.
It's not a matter of good or bad.
Its a matter of when it goes to shit. Worse off if it started off shit since it'll just sink lower.
Religious practices have thousands of years of credibility. There is wisdom in there, even if the average person doesn't know or fixates on irrelevant aspects.
The new dogma I'm seeing crop up appears to have developed in the last 100ish years. Particularly around the 50s-60s.
It seems to pertain itself too much on destroying the past to ever metastasize into something stable.
Dogmatic systems can be good for large populations. It just needs to apply logically to reality. Until reality changes so much that it doesn't compute. Whatever dogmatic tradition I see out my window does not compute with a stable reality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Its a matter of when it goes to shit
Everything goes to shit eventually.
>Religious practices have thousands of years of credibility.
I view that as a downside personally.
>It seems to pertain itself too much on destroying the past to ever metastasize into something stable.
The past has to be destroyed for something new to be created. Focusing on that is simply accepting that fact.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I view that as a downside personally.
Thousands of years of the most pertinent knowledge that could be recorded at the time. Out of the thousands of spiritual practices, and the hundreds of thousands of people that contributed to each one, many of them got some observations of the universe right. It's inevitable. There is always relevance to universal observations. The same way you can find the same type of advice from spiritual texts from across the globe.
Thats my point. >The past has to be destroyed for something new to be created
The past is inevitably destroyed. Because we always live in the present context. Its when people are building the new context on the pasts rubble. Instead of right here in the present. Leaves ghosts.
A lot of the dogma we're seeing implemented today is rooted in the fact that it "smashes" the old one. They'll be haunted my memetic ghosts imo.
Take a look at this thread, anons. This is what Zaddy Daddy wanted: to provoke meaningful discussion. Truly a testament to the deeper themes of his work. #SYNDERVERSE
It's like giving a kid a flamethrower and then acting shocked when he burns himself. The only possible future for humanity is a end to free will anyway as we all essentially become one giant hivemind.
>make thing >put thing among other things >know exactly how these things will interact because i'm omniscient >punish thing forever for doing the metaphysical equivalent of a chemical reaction
>>know exactly how these things will interact because i'm omniscient
You know exactly what you're gonna end up with whenever you jerk off but you do it anyways. And your ensuing post nut clarity isn't a punishment as much as it is the common course of action.
You cant define "all-good".
You especially cannot define good without knowing what is bad...
just like you cannot know what a hot day is a like without knowing what a cold day is like.
You merely have a relationship with god... or you do not.
It's not a question of wither or not "god" exists... god is merely an idea...and not a novel one either...tons of various ways to mention god and its all rooted in the psychology of consciousness and of groups.
God may very well exist.
But if you think any religion past, present, or future will paint God's picture, you're a fool. The only reason the big religions currently exist is because they piggybacked off great empires.
Christianity and the Roman Empire.
Islam and the Umayyad.
Buddhism and China.
The only exceptions being Judaism (ethnic identity tied to nomads) and Hinduism (numerous traditions somewhat tied together, similar to nordic paganism).
It saddens me that so many cannot see. I wish I was eloquent enough to explain the beauty of it all. The splendor of God. I used to be an atheist myself, so I know how hard it is to break through to someone with that mentality.
Funny, the world seems pretty horrific to me. The universe is basically entirely inhospitable to life. The places that can actually support it are outliers on top of outliers.
And life itself is horrific. With the exception of plants and bacteria, every living thing exists by killing and consuming the flesh of other living things. Nature is a 24/7 horror show where everything is hungry and miserable. Desperately trying to survive and not get eaten. We're the only ones who see it otherwise because we solved the food problem.
>Atheism has a lot of aesthetic potential
Honestly no.
The only aesthetic futurists are the ones that get into that quasi spiritual mind shit.
Atheists aesthetically smell like shit if ill be frank.
Why does God permit evil? Simple, evil glorifies God. Or rather, it's humiliation and destruction does. A reality where evil is overcome and defeated is more valuable than one where evil never existed at all. Consider that from God's timeless perspective, the kingdom has already been actualized. And in that splendid eternity, a redeemed and sanctified mankind, having experienced the horrors of evil and sin directly in the fallen world, will possess a unique perspective and wisdom that not even angels can fully understand. Those are the souls God wants to dwell with. You were meant for so much more than you think.
>God exists but he didn't create humans and doesn't care about us >those who had a vision of God was when he was passing by the Solar system
Change my mind
Literally everything bad in the world is God's fault. We are completely blameless because God controls everything we choose to do is ultimately God's choice for us, as part of his plan.
I could kill your entire family in front of you and it would not be me pulling the trigger, it would be God. God would just be using me to send everyone you love to hell.
We are just passengers in this world, and God is the ultimate and only sinner in this world.
And what do you do?
What CAN you do at all? Besides walking (if) talking (if) lifting some meaningless weights (if) seeing (if) hearing (if) thinking and understanding reality as close as it's actually humanly possible (BIG if) and posting here meaningless replies stroking your own ego?
>Your life won't become more interesting for believing in magick or succubuses.
You welcome to 2ch hk /mg , into succubus thread. Arm yourself with Google Translate if you don't speak one of future world languages
This is what atheism took as a major revelation... Because they didn't bother reading classic Greek philosophy and realizing how much of the Christian concepts of God is a bad copy paste of Greek vision of what is a unique God (jews also stolen from Greeks) onve you start to understand how much monotheism "borrowed" from Greek philosophers you realize why atheism is bullshit, atheists however don't like to read, they just want to be edgy
omniscient is a concept entirely developed by greeks, however israelites (and later Christians and Muslims) realize how cool is that concept because it's like the ultimate superpower and they just straight up steal it, even when nobody had an accurate description of what being omniscient truly means, because it's an unsolvable paradox at many points, cause some knowledge straight up cancel other knowledge leading to logic loops, traps and death ends
>how much of the Christian concepts of God is a bad copy paste of Greek vision
To be fair, with something as universal as God, everybody's doodle interpretation of it will end up looking like a copy paste job of the othe.r
>To be fair, with something as universal as God, everybody's doodle interpretation of it will end up looking like a copy paste job of the othe.r
Yes but the end result looks like a shitty pile of code that went through too many hands completely uncoordinated, nobody fully understanding what the other programmer did
Sure, it would be ideal if we could all communicate perfectly with no room for misinterpretation.
But thats just ideals. Saying "the end result looks like spaghetti code" is really hoping for a final answer. Something that is really easy for us to understand.
In regards to humans ability to communicate it, history of nations are garbled by the passage of time. As with most complex information generated by man.
In regards to the actual content of what god is, I would say even trying to get a final picture of it would be its own philosophical debate.
Speaking metaphorically: something as expansive as God would include our own eyes which we use to perceive it. So how could we put our own eyes on god if we need them to be able to perceive it? How could we get a full picture of god if we give up our eyes to create it? Idk if that dynamic makes sense to you, but thats sort of the way I imagine it. Could be nonsense.
Everyone arguing about the validity of God's existence and morality in a basket weaving hungarian forum is a fricking moron. Frick you all, you are homosexuals.
atheists >SHITSTIANS are so fragile and illogical
also atheists >NANIIIIII YOU BELIEVE IN GOD IN current year AAAAAIIIIEEEEE I'M GONNA TURN troony AND KILL MYSELF NOW DAWKINS VULT
Dead religion, literally has a more popular fresh expansion called Islam. Never won't be hilarious how alt-rights chose a israeli religion as their core identity, shit's amazing.
It's all just a part of God's lessons. You have to remember that your existence is nothing next to his. His enjoyment comes from watching humanity. Things like AIDS and monkeypox exist because he doesn't want us to be homosexuals and he doesn't see the point in coming down an infinite amount of times to tell us not to do things. When Eve tempted Adam we lost our right to an eternal paradise without worry.
Muslims have no problem with sex while being religious morons. Then again, they don't have the whole weird BDSM thing going on with their sky master fricking them over to show his love. For me just the idea of an all-powerful boss fricking his subordinate's wife till she's pregnant instead of just getting his own is enough to tell that's some bottom-fetish religion.
Wrong. They actually do too.
You completely submit to the ways of Allah. If Allah gives you cancers, so is His will. If Allah Allows you making billions of dollars and drop giant turds on angelic looking kafir escorts so is His will too. He hears everything and everyone. Nothing goes without his will. Only difference is that even it kafir lives good now (because Allah allows it) he will go to the shitter because he doesn't know the "truth" which is Quarran, he doesn't (follow particular subsect) and doesn't do obligatory x times of prayings. Etc etc etc.
It's just that muzzles also have their leader marry 9 year old, but forbidding his own daughter from marrying young (older than 9 but still "young") And all leaders=prophets were in the right and you aren't allowed to criticize them in any way (Jesus was prophet too)
Or else! (Or nothing, depending on subsect, as always)
Hopefully he means God is not all good because he set all this in motion, not because God isn't intervening. God can't intervene when the simulation or experiment is set in motion. That would be like editing code while it's compiling. No, nobody has talked to God, take your meds.
If God makes men truly free then he must allow them to be evil
if men do evil, it's because they are free to do so, not because God is powerless or unkind.
The clear flaw of God is having hope his creation can be good even when given the option to be evil. Satan is the one who tries to prove him wrong by showing men will choose evil every time, since it is easier and more convenient.
Men taint God by doing evil, because they prove that God has that choice as well. If he allows evil to exist, in catastrophic levels, then he also has a bit of bad in him as well.
God, as such, punishes those who taint him, by making them suffer.
The evil itself isn't set in stone and highly subjective.
Unless only one of Three branches and then only CERTAIN subsect is THE truth.
What is it then?
Can you lust, hate, envy, lie, kill other human being yes and no
Can you marry more than once yes and no
Etc etc etc
And then how world Actually operates.
And not to mention Abraham religions are just part of world religions.
But take look at this : millions if not BILLIONS of people were born and raised on Superman, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Mask, Batman, Robin (Dick Grayson one) as heroes that are absolutely light at heart and never ever ever kill. If someone makes comics or cartoon or film otherwise those creatives will be met with immense fricking HEAT despite the Absolute FACT that all of these characters are created. That they created. Those creators are WELL KNOWN.
What is either WELL KNOWN is that reasons why these characters stopped killing was because censorship that was FORCED upon these creators by SOMEONE ELSE. Either editors or broadcasting or film company that wants to have as much spread for their film as humanly possible. (And in case of Bill Finger who later on agreed with censorship, he was also agreeing against heavy beatings, kidnapping and other highly illegal morally grey stuff that was banned along with kills so ALL modern Batman fans frick off)
Despite that there are millions of greasy nasty moronic "real fans" that will absolutely demolish you with "it's not real character" or "this is out of character" Or "character's creators didn't even know what they created. Despite the fact that absolutely objectively the only canon there can be is where it's absolutely okay if either of these characters kill. Intentionally or as manslaughter, or neglect.
Now do completely untraceable holy texts that no one Certainly knows were written by whom and with what intentions.
Great
Yet entire civilizations are built on this shit. Allegedly.
I'm atheist and I respect religion for helping us progress with "the rule book of morality".
What does a society eventually evolve into when the rules of morality are not codified in stone, but instead are vague suggestions based on whatever is currently considered socially acceptable? You are crazy if you don't think it wouldn't shift towards "whatever" over time - moving further and further away from what we currently know.
A funny way to look at it is that TWITTER is the new god, they're now the ones writing the rules of morality. And it's true, things are already different compared to 10 years ago.
Can you feel the warmth of the sun? Understand why rain falls and replenishes the earth? Fathom the continuity of existence? Understand humanity is the only animal to experience awe. Consider that man is the only animal to able to hypothesize, experiment and record results. Realize man is the only animal to lie. Wise men learn from the mistake of others whereas fools cannot learn from their own. Humanity's folly is claiming power and understanding over systems beyond comprehension, consequently making them a one eyed man in the land of the blind. My predecessor knew that truth is a pathless and overcoming the fear of death lies in understanding the continuity of existence. Any organization that claims to be spiritual is false. The spirit is not to be organized or mechanical in any way. When human intellect is awake and listening it becomes a bottomless cup of wisdom, compassion and contentment. The meek will inherit the earth.
>Can you feel the warmth of the sun?
Yes >Understand why rain falls and replenishes the earth?
Scientists say because of temperature differences, vaporizing of liquid from one region and dispersion into another > Fathom the continuity of existence?
Yeah , but people with disabilities can't or they can't express themselves
>Understand humanity is the only animal to experience awe.
How do you know for sure >Consider that man is the only animal to able to hypothesize, experiment and record results.
How do you know
>Realize man is the only animal to lie.
How do you know >Wise men learn from the mistake of others whereas fools cannot learn from their own.
Everyone is wise man and everyone is fool. It's all context.
>Humanity's folly is claiming power and understanding over systems beyond comprehension,
Yeah, like I am rn (right now) can type this text in Russia on my (fricking) phone and I will hit send and it will go just like engineers predicted it will >consequently making them a one eyed man in the land of the blind.
What > My predecessor knew that truth is a pathless and overcoming the fear of death lies in understanding the continuity of existence.
How do you know
How do you know predecessor didn't lie > organization that claims to be spiritual is false.
How do you know > The spirit is not to be organized or mechanical in any way.
Otherwise we have shit life expectancy I am afraid. Maybe wrong. But where are super powers then and where are superheroes. > When human intellect is awake and listening it becomes a bottomless cup of wisdom, compassion and contentment.
Wisdom doesn't cut the mustard. Actually the foolish ignorance does. Nicola Tesla is exceptional and even then his inventions weren't used by masses as much as Thomas Edison's did >The meek will inherit the earth.
Maybe, but won't inherit Earth in good condition.
This line makes so little logical sense. Good and Bad are not measures of power...
God doesn't exists
>Prove you are ignorant without saying you are ignorant
What's so unpleasant about most of that? That quote sounds like the type of shit that bitter women say about their "manipulative, abusive narcissistic ex-husband" and is more reflective of how unpleasant and weak the West is.
There's no higher power that's going to do all those things for us, but if there was some dictator that embodied those qualities, I sure as hell would want them on my team.
>This abstract concept does not exist as a physical thing in the material world
And yet we act all spaced out and in awe when a scientists says the Earth is made of Unicorn Farts
>And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
And then every judeo-christisraelite clapped in awe.
You're comparing traditional religious text to the act of an academic with no religious leanings making an obvious and matter-of-fact thing more mysterious and magical sounding than it really is
Take the “god was an ayylmao dicking around with dna and shit” pill
Why is Richard Dawkins talking about me?
It's as simple as this, God's love is infinite. Yet at the same time his capacity for hate is infinite. If God gave you free will and you exercise it to choose evil or in some cases you willingly do nothing to prevent evil who should you really blame?
Funnily enough that was Wonder Woman 2017 original ending when it was still the Snyder Verse, she realizes no god is making any man commit to world war and she’s the only one actively intruding and it’s just the nature of men.
Unironically true. Christian God in the Bible is basically king of the incels which might explain why there's such an overlap in America between evangelicals and being an angry sexless loser
>LITERALLY creates women
>misogynistic
>Creates women
>Makes them go to horrifying pain just to reproduce
Yes.
God is not forcing them to reproduce and face the pain. Women that actually wish to have a kid go through it willingly, as God intended. That pain is basically a failsafe to stop women from shitting kids in a whim because creating life is a very serious matter (as he would know).
Next.
That is a cause of bipedism, if women want to stop having painful births then every person in the world must start to walk in fours
>p.s. I think necrophilia is great
>p.p.s. wait why are there muslims everywhere uhhh can we go back to churches
Theological debates aside, he's right. OT YHVH fits most of these adjectives as defined today.
Your Girlfriend doesn't exist.
the Ur-fedora tipper, Dawkins.
Funny how little he mentions Judaism, Islam, or Hinduism
You simply cannot take such a jolly well-fed face and innocent eyes seriously. He's like a kid
this is why he is my god. new god sounds like a huge pussy in comparison.
All of those character traits are bad when people express them but not when God does because God is holy, which means all of His ways are right. Every night, I fall asleep to the sounds of Christopher Hitchens screaming in agony.
well, at least God isn't gay like Dawkins
the day you refute this I will believe in God
>It's God's job to remove evil not ours
Hah, the thought processes of an eternal child.
Debunked.
>I created evil but it's your job to end it
so god is just some pissy lazy bastard who expects his children to do his dirty work for him otherwise he will punish them with eternal hellfire?
yeah that's Abrahamic israelite religion for you lmao
Imagine falling for this crap for 2000 years straight
Gods spread evenly across everything. Personifying him is something I see theists and atheists do. Idk why. It seems like they're both stuck on dated ideas.
I always imagined if you sat there looking at a glass and asked god to lift it, someone would walk in and take a drink from it because they were thirsty. Because it follows a logic. God isn't going to open up the console commands and break the system he created for every little thing. Especially for things that can be solved internally. I imagine all these religious instances would be records of moments he did crack open the system, assuming they're legitimate.
But that's just my thoughts.
well said, I use to be athiest and it's really funny and disappointing to see how simple and dull people are trying to make a being like god into. The arguements they use are based on such infantile and "human" standards and logic, god is such an abstract unfathomable concept that people truly will never fully comprehend. He is everything and nothing, theodicy and why evil exists is the biggest reddit go to for owning le religious people except the people pointing to the existance of evil are always the ones that can hardly even grasp the full concept of evil/ the negative from a philosophical and advanced view and yet they want to argue the metaphysical aspect of evil.
God didn't created evil tho.
Why should he stop it?
It's a human consequence.
Imagine your dad having to stop and make up all the frick ups you do in your life
Why would God do the same thing?
Also
>He is not stopping evil, so he is malevolent!
What the frick is that argument
It's like saying, if a dude is pointing a gun to a women, and I don't stop him before he shoots, I'M a killer.
That's kindergarden morals rigth there
>It's like saying, if a dude is pointing a gun to a women, and I don't stop him before he shoots, I'M a killer.
It's like saying you knew your entire life that the woman would be shot, you went to the shooting strapped with enough firepower to overthrow any government on Earth or elsewhere, and then watched it happen. Sure, "not your responsibility", but then some people called you an butthole for not acting and then you shot them instead. That's more of an equivalent scenario.
>you knew your entire life that the woman would be shot
Then nothing I do will change that.
Why would I?
LOL.
Are you like solipsistic or something? If you were armed to the fricking hilt and had all of the foreknowledge possible and had every opportunity to save the person about to be shot, would you not even attempt to do it?
>If you were armed to the fricking hilt and had all of the foreknowledge possible and had every opportunity to save the person about to be shot, would you not even attempt to do it?
If that women is going to be the grandmother of a hitler baby in 600 years probably not
>the ultimate creator who's responsible for everything didn't create evil because... BECAUSE HE JUST DIDN'T OKAY?!
I laugh every time I'm confronted with this kind of delusional mental gymnastics
Believing God just molded the earth into shape is as delusional as you thinking God molded a black tar-like energy and just whooosh rain it into the earth as "evil"
If I I teach my son to value other people and he goes and shoot someone anyway because he just want to, I didn't "create evil"
>be computer programmer, claim to be the best that could ever exist, a literal wizard with computers
>write something full of bugs
>get called out on it
>uh uh uh um bugs are just how computers work you can't get rid of them
>you die in a video game
frick these bugged game mechanics
>write something full of bugs
That's the contention point tho.
The code he wrote function as intended when played as intended.
If you tap to it and tamper and start shit around, why call god on your frickups?
>tsunamis and cancer are a human consequence
Anon we are perfectly aware of why tsunamis forms, it's an eartquake on the ocean
And cancer is a celular degradation caused by mutations on the dna, also perfectly explainable
What the frick has that to do with "evil"
Breh "pedophilia" is a made up line that's less than 100 years
It's legal to frick 16yo kids in some countries in the usa RIGTH NOW
>how old was Jesus's mom again?
Say 16. Perfectly legal. In the usa. Rigth now.
Now what.
>Say 16.
It wasn't, but whatever.
>Breh "pedophilia" is a made up line that's less than 100 years
If your argument is "You are defying god by correctly believing you shouldn't frick teenagers" then I will happily defy god.
>correctly believing you shouldn't frick teenagers
Correct by who?
Is 16yo ok to frick for you?
Because the legal system says it is.
In some countries is 14yo. If you move there, the legal system says it is.
In some countries is 12yo, if you move there, the legal system says it is.
"Correctly believing" according to who? And we are not even "defying an omnipotent being" here, just common human man made imposed limits.
god causes natural phenomena, these natural phenomenon destroy the lives of humans at random without caring for virtue or faith, if a human caused the damage these things do he would surely be evil so why is the first cause of these worldy events not evil?
>god causes natural phenomena, these natural phenomenon destroy the lives of humans at random without caring for virtue or faith,
I mean, technically we don't know that.
A- An earthquake doesn't think about his actions, so it isn't subject to moral judgement
B- Men can build protection against enviroment that doesn't think about his actions, making earthquake resistant stuff, so even if it could think, men can intersect
C- With sufficient knowledge (ej: if in the future we could predict eartquakes 300 years in advance) this wouldn't even be a moral issue, at a fundamental level is an argument based on current ignorance
But what if man could simply blink and stop or undo the earthquake, but just didn’t because lol. Do you worship this person? The only reason to do so would be fear.
>but just didn’t because lol
Because "lols"? No
Because there's no point of "stopping" something that's a consequence of a 1000 other things that will eventually do no harm? Why the frick would he stop that.
god chose to kill thousands of innocents through earthquakes over the last 2 thousand years
Earthquakes are produced by friction on the tectonic plates anon
I'm sorry, I thought god made everything.
>b-but free will
natural disasters, disease, parasites, frick you
Evil doesn't mean evil in this argument. It means any bad thing. Natural disasters for example. An all powerful benevolent god wouldn't create natural disasters.
And all your dumb free will arguments don't apply because natural disasters predate humans.
Evil is the natural state of the world. Good/God is simply a light in the dark.
>Evil is the natural state of the world
Holy shit you fake Christians drive me nuts. Only Man is capable of evil, the natural world is neutral. have a nice day.
The natural world invented death because it needs an endless way to cycle through iterations of life.
Satan is king of the physical world
So God made an evil world and is therefore evil. Got it.
http://www.sophia-perennis.com/evil.pdf
here
I will see you at church
>from MY context THIS
the most easily debunked garbage in existence
>2000 + 20 + 2
>not reading Lewis' "the problem of pain"
>still posting this meme argument
That's gonna be a yikes from me, dawg
If the argument in your book actually defeated the Epicurean paradox then you would just be saying that argument instead of just alluding to the book.
>spoonfeed me
Better yourself, tardman
>god
>greek
>pick one
God permits the evil behaviour of men in order to ultimately bring about a greater good than would have been attainable otherwise.
If God is all powerful then the greater good was attainable otherwise. If he can't attain it otherwise then he's not all powerful.
Correct. God is not all powerful, but he's powerful enough to make sure everything goes well eventually.
I accept your surrender.
You just agreed with Epicurus that God is not omnipotent.
No take backsies.
God is omnipotent but not all powerful.
I honestly prefer Hinduism where god is all powerful but not all knowing and we are actually inside his moronic dream.
isnt the hindu god like an infinite pillar or some shit
that literally makes no sense
God is all powerful and invites to participate in His creation by giving us free will to love or hate him, to obey or disobey him, to give into sin or strive for virtue.
God *is* good.
I give into sin.
We all fail sometimes. One of the priests that hears my confessions remarks
>Only two people never sinned: Jesus and Mary. And repeats Romans 7:19
>For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do
Even Saint Paul struggled with sin terribly.
No, your rules are dumb and I choose sin.
I don't choose evil, I choose sin.
I don't want to hurt people, I want to enjoy my life.
Just remember this
>The wages of sin are death.
That's why I can't go fully behind Christianity
>Jesus never sinned
Except when he was bashing israelites for trading within synagogue, or when he was promising to torture eternally those that did not believe in him. Or when he was telling people to put him over their own mother, father, sister, brother, etc.
Which are at very least anger and pride. Which is sin.
I utterly dislike this notion that "ruler" Is above the law, instead of shining example for those rules.
Also dislike this "king" - "slave" Mentality. Especially to something (Trinity) or someone (Jesus) that I never ever met For Sure. Someone that teaches to be humble and strong in being weak, to supress urges, but DOES NOT actually protects those that abide. They aren't invincible. At any moment they can be cheated, lied on or about, killed. There are no instructions how to open up your own super powers and protect yourself or at least Know For Sure that there IS afterlife AND it actually isn't dogshit.
Fricking hell. Muslims have absolutely xenophobic religion (so do israelites) and they get promised 72 giantesses in afterlife, for each smelly hair Ahmet.
What is Exactly Christian afterlife? Mmm? Just eternal ceremony?
There are evidence that what black people got their Christianity they mixed it with voodoo.
I think same thing happened with Europeans.
Hoe are muslims xenophobic when everybody can become a muslim? Also that 72 virgins thing is exagerated. Unmarried people will get non-human companions in the afterlife though. Even then the examples from Paradise in the Quran are just examples and you will get everything you wish.
Because everyone MUST become Muslims, or their laws and morality don't extend (according to Some subsects) on those that don't/won't
Same shit with israelites but you only born israelite
Opposite to that is Christianity. Be nice to enemies too so they can see how awesome Christianity is and accept that Jesus respawned after 3 days cool down and they will skip heck through him
Or Else! But as far as material world goes everyone is equal (on paper ofc, then again neither israelites or Muzzles REALLY follow Tor, Talmud or Quarantine)
Oh okay, I guess I'll sin then.
>no, you can't do that, you'll go to hell
Wow, I can really feel the freedom. I can do what you say, "Or else".
Don't forget the eternally part
From God's point or view, that greater good is already achieved, since God's omniscience includes all of time.
Fundamentally, your argument is: "Man does evil, and God created man, therefore God is evil."
This is no different than blaming your parents for your own sins. Just because your mother gave birth to you, does not make her responsible for all of your life choices, no matter how much you resent your own existence.
>has literally been debunked for centuries
>atheist pseuds still use it as their #1 crutch
Truly sad
pseuds still use it as their #1 crutch
Which doesn't reduce its validity one iota
that's some good cope there
the original redditor
This is just dumb logic. Fixing the evil of men isn't the responsibility of some god and to have such an assumption speaks more of the egotism of man.
This.
If God intervened everytime people did something evil they wouldn’t be able to exercise the free will they got. Life is a test and it would be unfair to punish people for the things they didn’t do.
>life is a test
Nice cope. You will suffer because God wills it, not because you deserve it.
It’s not a cope it’s said so in the Quran which is the truth.
Except in islam the test is not about if you do good deeds or bad deeds but rather how much you worshipped god and praised his name.
>His influence grew considerably during and after the Enlightenment, profoundly impacting the ideas of major thinkers, including John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Jeremy Bentham, and Karl Marx.
The Problem of Evil is flawed since
A. God never states he’s all those things
And
B. It’s attempting to humanize a creature that is not human
The only response necessary to this, is to ask them to describe a world where God is fixing everyones problems constantly, to the effect that no one ever has problems in the first place. Such a world could not and will never exist.
But this is what atheists seen to insist is the only scenario God could exist in.
>Good and Bad are not measures of power...
Not to defend Snyder credit, but thats not what the lines saying.
He's just saying if God is truly God then he can't only embody the good in the world.
of course he can..that's what the devil is for
Exactly.
The devil is an idea that would embody all the bad in the world.
Jesus would for some represent all the good in the world.
Sorry, I prefer facts.
literally over for chuds
Woah.
But there are plenty of things you must take on faith everyday that you cannot be factually certain of. If any of you actually lose your virginity and get a girlfriend, you have you have trust that she will be faithful and not get railed by the Chad at work. Every time you cross the street you have to have faith that a driver isn't tweaked out on meth and will come to a stop. Whenever you order food you have to hope the cook didn't spit or piss in your meal.
If you refuse to take anything on faith and will rely on what you can factual prove you will turn into an OCD schizo lunatic.
chad fricking my wife at work doesn't damn me to eternal hellfire.
BOSNIA-HEZERGOVINA
Sounds like you might just be a moron
Why does an omnipotent all-good being want to create ass cancer and pedophilia?
>ass cancer
Most likely your lifestyle in some way causes cancer
>pedophilia
Men do that not god
You are attributing things you don't like to god, when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for it
You don't have cancer because God sended you a magical evil ray, you probably are sitted 18 hours a day and don't clean up your shit
>Men do that not god
Say, how old was Jesus's mom again?
I ain't giving Zeus the benefit of the doubt. Why should that be different from the Christian god?
Have you ever thought about the difference between the two?
There is literally no difference. Both rape women, take drastic steps to maintain their power, are supportive of human progress and development but seemingly only to a point, and will murder you if you stop worshiping you.
>Well, god created the universe and Zeus didn't.
Okay, and?
I think you're talking about Genghis Khan, anon.
Why do you personify god? Because you argue with people who do?
>I think you're talking about Genghis Khan, anon.
I mean, he's pretty close to a real live old school god.
Isn't one of the first things he does is tell humans to go out and reproduce a lot? I feel this is sending very mixed signals.
Also, if the issue is too many kids why is abortion a issue?
are you saying God has BPD
Somewhat?
Honestly, my personal stance is just that if there is a god then he doesn't give a frick about humans. The wellbeing of the universe is more important than any humans.
>Isn't one of the first things he does is tell humans to go out and reproduce a lot?
You are missing the point entirely.
Do you think He wanted a bunch of failures having kids and throwing them in the desert to die because they can't feed themselves much else half a dozen plus kid because fricking is free of charge?
>if the issue is too many kids why is abortion a issue?
Do you think He wanted a bunch of failures having kids and pulling them out of the womb with a hanger to die because they can't feed themselves much else half a dozen plus kid because fricking is free of charge?
>Do you think He wanted a bunch of failures having kids and pulling them out of the womb with a hanger to die because they can't feed themselves much else half a dozen plus kid because fricking is free of charge?
I mean, considering he made sex really fricking fun, yeah? Don't see much else of a reason.
Like, why not just have kids grow on a fricking tree? Why not actually have storks carry babies?
>why not just have kids grow on a fricking tree? Why not actually have storks carry babies?
what part if 'creating life is a serious matter and should be treated as such' didn't you understand? If they grew in trees they would be as perceived as irrelevant as an apple or an orange.
Nowadays we would probably harvest the frick out of those kid-growing trees for the israelites to make profit of them anyways.
>what part if 'creating life is a serious matter and should be treated as such' didn't you understand?
Then why not only make it possible to have kids if you get a personal permission slip from a angel? Is that too much bureaucracy? Hell, why not just make it really hard to have children in general. As is, it mostly just hurts and used to be liable to kill the women and the child. Which we mostly cured.
Which, thinking about it, what if we invented something that makes births painless? Are we actively defying god then?
>Then why not only make it possible to have kids if you get a personal permission slip from a angel?
Because that would be against God's given gift to humanity: free will.
>Because that would be against God's given gift to humanity: free will.
You can have bureaucracy and free will.
>having to ask permission
>free will
No.
You make a choice to ask permission. If you get it depends on your choice.
If you need to get permission to do something that you would otherwise do of your own volition you don't have free will by definition.
>If you need to get permission to do something that you would otherwise do of your own volition you don't have free will by definition.
In that case none of us have free will.
>In that case none of us have free will.
Half true
God made it so those things could happen. He's also omniscient and knew they would.
The body has the capacity for cancer
The mind has the capacity for pedophilia
You actually can't read
>good and bad are not measures of power
Yes. And?
It comes down to semantics and it's dumb Hollywood writing but it seems that you lack the abstract thinking to get the point of what's being said here, which works.
By the way this movie is fricking trash and I hate all of capeshit.
Agreed. It comes from a place of nihilism.
It is actually an old theological debate older than nihilism. Occam did some interesting writing on it interestingly (not occams razor).
By the by, Occam concluded that god can wield the power of evil and still be all good.
It makes perfect sense, except that Superman isn't all powerful, so it doesn't apply to the situation in the movie.
Actually debunked
how does that debunk the quote
Meds. Now.
Sounds like a cope
It's actually like the anti-cope. It's easier to cope by using atheism by far.
>I've reached my intellectual limits and can't advance in my research, so I guess God did it
>intellectual limits
Heisenberg was a towering genius, only rivaled by von Braun
In other words he's an idiot who crams god into everything he can't understand.
Science education temporarily sated his non-understanding.
But then he hit the limit of scientific understanding and this flaw in his character reasserted itself.
He's no better than a caveman who saw a thunderbolt, and lacking an explanation, invented a storm god.
>b-but he's a famous physicist
Irrelevant. He did something stupid in spite of his education and intelligence. It happens.
You are existing on his legacy, so you can't say anything about him. You are more ignorant than him.
I'm on my 3rd pitcher homosexual, i killed god, become god, find it beneath me and settle as a mortal that appreciates life, liberty and chaos to the highest degree
found out recently that you fricking morons actully believe in this shit.
>atheists: fedora tipping pseuds from reddit
>theists: the most accomplished and renowed scientists in all of histroy
Hmmmmmm
>God
>all good
Where do people keep getting this idea from?
>killed 99.9% of life on earth with a flood
>made a dad almost kill his son for the lolz
>has sent billions of people to be tortured in hell for eternity for no reason other than not believing in him, regardless of how virtuous and altruistic they were in their life
Christianity makes a lot more sense when you view God as a dictator who demands worship, rather than a benevolent father who loves you
Keep coping
Didn't he contradict himself on that?
what a chud
>points at egg carton
>Look at all these chickens
now that the dust has settled, was he actually based?
He sure was dripping homie
>comparing unfertilized eggs to a fertilized one
I support first trimester abortions for several reasons, but at least give a smart argument
you just outted yourself as a braindead republican. lol get the rope
Why is this supposedly smart and qualified guy such a reddit pseud all the time? Is he a bit of a sperg? Not talking about this in particular.
stop being racist towards magical space black man
To be fair if I were born a Black person I wouldn't believe in God either.
Even as an atheist this quote is so cringe it hurts.
>>has sent billions of people to be tortured in hell for eternity for no reason other than not believing in him, regardless of how virtuous and altruistic they were in their life
Debunked. Hell isn't real.
Take the LDS pill.
>he doesn't know about the Demiurge
>he doesn't know Cinemaphile is a loosh farm
Christianity makes sense when you view it through the lens of the authors: primitive sandisraelites
>made a dad almost kill his son for the lolz
I hate how everyone knows the story where God stops the sacrifice but no one remembers the story where someone actually does give their daughter to God as a burnt offering and God accepts it.
>Judges 11:29-40
>The redditors are coming... The redditors are coming!
FALSE
Atheism is cringe
Sorry but God doesn't exists
>what is a proof by contradiction
Smh at yall brainlet ass homies in this thread.
Events that didn't happen because nobody witnessed it can't have proof of contradiction.
Like
>A gorilla killed 50 lions with a dildo once.
actually believing in made up sandBlack person israelite fairytales is the cringiest thing in existence
two and a half billions of brainwashed morons
oh and don't get me started on mudslimes they all deserve to burn
Fricking kino. Lewis was the og absurdist-subjectivist
good and evil are just human constructs to feebly explain God's ultimate design
They're kind of like psychological pain receptors. Serving a similar purpose.
But this field doesn't usually serve an immediate harm unlike physically. So it gets hard to decipher.
His acting is atrocious, the only role he was “good” in was as Zuckerberg and that is only because he was playing himself.
THE REDCAPES ARE COMMING!
Us judging god makes as much sense as an ant or a video game npc judging us.
Worshipping god is still a form of judgement though, you're just judging him to be good and worthy of worship.
No. It comes out of acceptance of revealed truth which forms the foundation for everything else one does.
I feel bad when I hurt NPCs in video games
2000 years to come up with a good response and god gays are still btfo by this.
I like how in no point of that chart the fact that humans are the ones making evil is ever taken into account.
It's just "there", like an evil black tar-like force to checkbox
>Lions, check
>Trees, mhm, check
>Evil, check
Dehumanizing evil and passing the ball to god is the argument's flaw.
The reason good and evil are a human thing is because it's us who's perceiving it.
>humans are the ones making evil
Because God made it that way.
>Then God is not good
What does this nullify? If there was a God, then all good and all bad would be within it. And so would you and I.
Why do atheists not think God would be above all good and evil? I think they spend too much time arguing with boomer christians.
>What does this nullify?
It nullifies the idea that god is good. The point of this paradox isn't to do with whether or not god exists. Its just examining the contradictions that would appear if he did exist.
What's paradoxical about it?
It sounds more like the author just wants god to either be solely good or just not exist.
And it seems to be pointing out contradictions that humans believe about god, rather than held traits of god.
It would be more contradictory to believe that god only exhibits one side. Since how much of a god could you be if you only represent half of the whole? Maybe
Atheists are cowards. If not they would hold that god does exist, but they reject him.
If god does exist, he’s a useless shit.
>If god does exist, he’s a useless shit.
Only as useless as giving you a platform to give a shit about it on.
>god isn't good
Heretical
Just because he doesn't solely embody good doesn't mean he isn't.
And heresy is a human to human thing. Between one mans perception and another.
tfw all of these are false
>LE LE LE GOD IS NOT GOOD
>NOOOOO
NOT MY HECKIN GOOD GODERINO
MY GOD WHO NOT PREVENT ALL EVIL
I WILL SPITE THEEE GODERINOOO FOR THE REST OF MY DAYS
Why do you hate God anon?
All paths lead to reddit s/oy, the infographic
fedora take but yes
Christopher Langan who has the highest IQ ever recorded has proven God's existence.
Unironically God in the Bible is a baby dick obsessed homosexual that wouldn't be looked up to by anyone if they existed. Loathsome individual
you've made this thread before.
english speaking audiences were frustrated by how badly it mangled epicurus, in combination with how snyderverse superman was never characterized as all powerful or all knowing.
God created homosexuals, Black folk, israelites and pedophiles for the lulz
People gotta realize that religion is meant to serve you. Its tradition, family and love. A warmth that you can hold onto when you need it, something to bring comfort.
Its not fact, but its not truth either. Its what we make of it, how we internalize the lessons left for us and bring those forward to best serve our own needs.
That's the cultural function religion served in the development of society.
That's entirely human to human
>People gotta realize that religion is meant to serve you
Please. There is a aspect to that. But above all, it's just population control for the upper class. I disagree with the marxist idea that it's opium for the masses. It's a pen for livestock.
>the bittersweet pain among men is having knowledge with no power
>BECAUSE THAT IS PARADOXICAL >heheh
>thank you for coming.
>If god is all powerful he cannot be all good
When you clean up your front garden do you think about all of the plants and bugs you are killing? No? Then why would god?
K here you go atheists
Checkm8
Here u go
ontological proof is cringe
>a thing that is all positive properties must exist because existence is a positive property
frist mover argument is cringe too because it really boils down to lack of imagination
every argument is these two wrapped up in some way that it's embarrassing. the question of "higher powers" is outside the realm of axiomatic reasoning; it's like trying to prove the moon exists with just a mathematical proof detached from reality. it's absurd. i'm an atheist btw
Reminder: Reject Satan, kill God.
Anything else is unacceptable. Human civilization cannot be build with aid from Satan, it cannot be made under the bootheel of god. Reject Satan, kill god.
I'm an Atheist but I really hate when people make the cringe "there's bad therefor god either allows evil or he doesn't exist!"
It's the first one
literally the entire bible gives all the lore behind this
So your criticism of the point is refuted by the entire bible
Doesn't mean there's a good, doesn't mean you're wrong, but you sure aren't going to convince anyone so it's a pointless argument that just makes you look ignorant
Well, duh. The Bible is just a bad fantasy novel. Trying to pretend it's anything else is a bad place to start.
>I understand the world through pop culture
>I'm an Atheist
>literally the entire bible gives all the lore behind this
I think its really funny that atheists cite the bible just as much as fundamentalist christians
The difference is that most atheist's have actually read the bible.
I don't know how anybody could read a Bible, look at the state of American Christians and go "Yep that fits!".
I mean, I kind of do in a very cynical "Well, how else could it have ended up?"
How pathetic. You read a whole book you don't believe in just because you wanted to argue with people you think are idiots.
There are multiple points there where you could've just stopped. But you're emotionally invested in christianity. Something you think is stupid, right?
>You read a whole book you don't believe in just because you wanted to argue with people who think we should base federal laws on select (!) passages from the book they haven't even read
Yes, moron.
So you're a lawyer?
In that case, I can respect it.
But methinks you just argue with people on Cinemaphile with that knowledge instead :/
>So you're a lawyer?
Do you think only lawyers are engaged in politics, anon? Seriously?
So what. You're just lobbying or something?
I'm involved in local politics in rural Texas. The only way you can talk to some of these people is by arguing against their beliefs with what the bible actually says.
Fair enough.
But just be aware of when you can and can't make a difference for some people. There are hundreds of thousands of communities like that.
>You read a whole book you don't believe in just because you wanted to argue with people you think are idiots.
I read the whole book because I like studying human myths. I'm a dork who grew up playing Shin Megami tensei and Touhou so most of my cultural background is learning about myths. I don't believe in the bible anymore than I believe in legends about Celtic fairies, but I still think the actual stories are pretty interesting.
Respectable. I believe its important to realize exactly what the bible was. Which is an accumulation of information written on pages. Further retranslated and reinterpreted.
Personally, I think its like an ancient internet in a way. It just pertained to its respective geographical region. Stories and traditions get recorded in it and are able to spread to areas further than word of mouth. Creating a culture larger than what individuals can physically do. Ideas and wisdoms are able to be learned more universally.
While I get what you are trying to say, most of what you describe is just meme theory. Which, granted, I do think myths and religion are central to. But it's still not something exclusive to the bible.
Religion mainly interests me in its role in human development. Since the "true" experience is simply the one we're in. Myths and religions being the memetic condensation of whatever humans can record of it.
There's a parallel between societal growth and their ability to transfer ideas and things quicker and further. Religion was an important role in incentivizing that during early development.
The metaphysical theory of all of them is a different story, though. Especially behind all the purely human to human ideas stored in traditions.
Yes, I cite the bible when the discussion is about the beliefs of Christians, I'm a little wild like that
There's just an irony of it to me.
If you're trying to dismantle it, then why don't you point at the world instead of the book? If its so idiosyncratic to reality.
And if the person you're talking to fails to understand, then why argue with them?
1: If you want to break something down it's good to know all of the tools. 2: By that logic all arguments are inherently pointless. Which, okay, they largely are. But I feel this is more about swaying the majority than your opponent.
>But I feel this is more about swaying the majority than your opponent
Do you really feel the need to do that against christian fundamentalism? It's been dead since the 2000s. Its a literal meme.
Its people like you who are going to usher in whoever takes their place. You notice how dogmatic people have been lately about their beliefs? Be wary of creating a new dogma. Because the dogmatic sensibilities of the fundamentalist christians is what made them so bad. Just because you defeat them doesn't mean you got rid of the societal tension you perceived from them. Its naturally waning anyways.
>Do you really feel the need to do that against christian fundamentalism?
I don't know. I feel a lot of people, especially centrists, somehow think they can be reasoned with.
>Be wary of creating a new dogma. Because the dogmatic sensibilities of the fundamentalist christians is what made them so bad
While I get what you are trying to say and I do mostly agree. I would also add that, at least when it comes to America, not being a doomsday cult would be a positive step.
>not being a doomsday cult would be a positive step
Our nation is being ran by a doomsday cult and they're not citing christianity.
Given the state of things, I think the population in general has a logical enough reason to be believing like one, though. Ironically giving credence to the doomsday christians who were always like this, but thats besides the point.
I just suggest taking a look at the types of people who try tearing down this pasts image of christianity. Or whatever broad concepts that they dislike. Capitalism. Racism. Whatever these people like to associate to christianity (which are all a part of their personified character of the old age they're dismantling to make way for their new one).
To me these people look like they're just making credibility for their new dogma by destroying the old one.
>To me these people look like they're just making credibility for their new dogma by destroying the old one.
I mean, that's not bad if the new one is better.
To a certain extent I kind of think you need at least some degree of dogma to get anything done. It's mostly just not letting it consume you that matters.
>I mean, that's not bad if the new one is better.
It's not a matter of good or bad.
Its a matter of when it goes to shit. Worse off if it started off shit since it'll just sink lower.
Religious practices have thousands of years of credibility. There is wisdom in there, even if the average person doesn't know or fixates on irrelevant aspects.
The new dogma I'm seeing crop up appears to have developed in the last 100ish years. Particularly around the 50s-60s.
It seems to pertain itself too much on destroying the past to ever metastasize into something stable.
Dogmatic systems can be good for large populations. It just needs to apply logically to reality. Until reality changes so much that it doesn't compute. Whatever dogmatic tradition I see out my window does not compute with a stable reality.
>Its a matter of when it goes to shit
Everything goes to shit eventually.
>Religious practices have thousands of years of credibility.
I view that as a downside personally.
>It seems to pertain itself too much on destroying the past to ever metastasize into something stable.
The past has to be destroyed for something new to be created. Focusing on that is simply accepting that fact.
>I view that as a downside personally.
Thousands of years of the most pertinent knowledge that could be recorded at the time. Out of the thousands of spiritual practices, and the hundreds of thousands of people that contributed to each one, many of them got some observations of the universe right. It's inevitable. There is always relevance to universal observations. The same way you can find the same type of advice from spiritual texts from across the globe.
Thats my point.
>The past has to be destroyed for something new to be created
The past is inevitably destroyed. Because we always live in the present context. Its when people are building the new context on the pasts rubble. Instead of right here in the present. Leaves ghosts.
A lot of the dogma we're seeing implemented today is rooted in the fact that it "smashes" the old one. They'll be haunted my memetic ghosts imo.
Take a look at this thread, anons. This is what Zaddy Daddy wanted: to provoke meaningful discussion. Truly a testament to the deeper themes of his work. #SYNDERVERSE
>to provoke meaningful discussion
>deeper themes of his work
You are literally here because Snyder decided to do something more than just yet another superhero movie
Intro to high school level philosophy, trying to hard to be deep and thinking it is kino. It is time to go back
Come join us, Cinemaphile
>mfw none of these Black folk can answer the Riddle of Steel and enter Valhalla
I love to polish my beliefs in this threads.
I know I'm getting closer to true knowledge when anons stops responding to my arguments.
Yo ya'll mufugguhs is homosexuals yo. Nawmsayin ya'll be suckin dick and them b***hes? Be eatin pussy nawmsayin? b***h.
>God is bad for allowing humans to have Free Will
Unironically, yes.
It's like giving a kid a flamethrower and then acting shocked when he burns himself. The only possible future for humanity is a end to free will anyway as we all essentially become one giant hivemind.
We will become the gods.
All, everyone. Actually equal. Omnipotent and all knowing.
It's WHY God gave free will that makes him bad.
>make thing
>put thing among other things
>know exactly how these things will interact because i'm omniscient
>punish thing forever for doing the metaphysical equivalent of a chemical reaction
>>know exactly how these things will interact because i'm omniscient
You know exactly what you're gonna end up with whenever you jerk off but you do it anyways. And your ensuing post nut clarity isn't a punishment as much as it is the common course of action.
And masturbation is wrong. According religion.
So God is in wrong.
>"all-good"
Define "All-Good"
You cant define "all-good".
You especially cannot define good without knowing what is bad...
just like you cannot know what a hot day is a like without knowing what a cold day is like.
You merely have a relationship with god... or you do not.
It's not a question of wither or not "god" exists... god is merely an idea...and not a novel one either...tons of various ways to mention god and its all rooted in the psychology of consciousness and of groups.
God may very well exist.
But if you think any religion past, present, or future will paint God's picture, you're a fool. The only reason the big religions currently exist is because they piggybacked off great empires.
Christianity and the Roman Empire.
Islam and the Umayyad.
Buddhism and China.
The only exceptions being Judaism (ethnic identity tied to nomads) and Hinduism (numerous traditions somewhat tied together, similar to nordic paganism).
Lex has always been full of shit like that so he can justify his homosexualry, although it was particularly bad in this movie
Seventeenth century.
>illiterate Cinemaphile does it again
It saddens me that so many cannot see. I wish I was eloquent enough to explain the beauty of it all. The splendor of God. I used to be an atheist myself, so I know how hard it is to break through to someone with that mentality.
not everyone can get abducted by aliens
Funny, the world seems pretty horrific to me. The universe is basically entirely inhospitable to life. The places that can actually support it are outliers on top of outliers.
And life itself is horrific. With the exception of plants and bacteria, every living thing exists by killing and consuming the flesh of other living things. Nature is a 24/7 horror show where everything is hungry and miserable. Desperately trying to survive and not get eaten. We're the only ones who see it otherwise because we solved the food problem.
Boring. Atheism has a lot of aesthetic potential and frankly this sucks. You’re wasting it
>Atheism has a lot of aesthetic potential
Honestly no.
The only aesthetic futurists are the ones that get into that quasi spiritual mind shit.
Atheists aesthetically smell like shit if ill be frank.
If atheists manage to discover legit super powers then sure. Until then no
Cope
Jesus is bloody dead m8.
Bunch of Roman blokes nailed him to a bloody tree didn't they.
Does this c**t think he can talk to dead people?
Jesse Eisenbergstein sure is cringe
Why does God permit evil? Simple, evil glorifies God. Or rather, it's humiliation and destruction does. A reality where evil is overcome and defeated is more valuable than one where evil never existed at all. Consider that from God's timeless perspective, the kingdom has already been actualized. And in that splendid eternity, a redeemed and sanctified mankind, having experienced the horrors of evil and sin directly in the fallen world, will possess a unique perspective and wisdom that not even angels can fully understand. Those are the souls God wants to dwell with. You were meant for so much more than you think.
Who is Jesse basing his performance on?
Is it Sneeder shilled by pajeets because all his movies are shit?
Cope harder. You are relentlessly ignorant and inept capeshitter
God permits evil because he is evil. Take the gnosticpill
>God exists but he didn't create humans and doesn't care about us
>those who had a vision of God was when he was passing by the Solar system
Change my mind
Lmao being an Athiest all the while posting on Cinemaphile doesn't make you any better, homosexual.
>waaaahhh if my parents really created me then why do bad things happen to mee? Why can't I get a gf???
Literally everything bad in the world is God's fault. We are completely blameless because God controls everything we choose to do is ultimately God's choice for us, as part of his plan.
I could kill your entire family in front of you and it would not be me pulling the trigger, it would be God. God would just be using me to send everyone you love to hell.
We are just passengers in this world, and God is the ultimate and only sinner in this world.
It's part of God's plant that you cope, seethe and dilate more, you must do it now because you are not free
And what do you do?
What CAN you do at all? Besides walking (if) talking (if) lifting some meaningless weights (if) seeing (if) hearing (if) thinking and understanding reality as close as it's actually humanly possible (BIG if) and posting here meaningless replies stroking your own ego?
We are all a fledling god's various reincarnations - only once it has lived every and all lives, does it know what it means to have absolute power.
>fledling
And fledgling* too.
How do you know
Your life won't become more interesting for believing in magick or succubuses.
>le commie posting
yikes
>Your life won't become more interesting for believing in magick or succubuses.
You welcome to 2ch hk /mg , into succubus thread. Arm yourself with Google Translate if you don't speak one of future world languages
This is what atheism took as a major revelation... Because they didn't bother reading classic Greek philosophy and realizing how much of the Christian concepts of God is a bad copy paste of Greek vision of what is a unique God (jews also stolen from Greeks) onve you start to understand how much monotheism "borrowed" from Greek philosophers you realize why atheism is bullshit, atheists however don't like to read, they just want to be edgy
>onve you start to understand how much monotheism "borrowed" from Greek philosophers you realize why atheism is bullshit
It does not follow
omniscient is a concept entirely developed by greeks, however israelites (and later Christians and Muslims) realize how cool is that concept because it's like the ultimate superpower and they just straight up steal it, even when nobody had an accurate description of what being omniscient truly means, because it's an unsolvable paradox at many points, cause some knowledge straight up cancel other knowledge leading to logic loops, traps and death ends
>how much of the Christian concepts of God is a bad copy paste of Greek vision
To be fair, with something as universal as God, everybody's doodle interpretation of it will end up looking like a copy paste job of the othe.r
>To be fair, with something as universal as God, everybody's doodle interpretation of it will end up looking like a copy paste job of the othe.r
Yes but the end result looks like a shitty pile of code that went through too many hands completely uncoordinated, nobody fully understanding what the other programmer did
Sure, it would be ideal if we could all communicate perfectly with no room for misinterpretation.
But thats just ideals. Saying "the end result looks like spaghetti code" is really hoping for a final answer. Something that is really easy for us to understand.
In regards to humans ability to communicate it, history of nations are garbled by the passage of time. As with most complex information generated by man.
In regards to the actual content of what god is, I would say even trying to get a final picture of it would be its own philosophical debate.
Speaking metaphorically: something as expansive as God would include our own eyes which we use to perceive it. So how could we put our own eyes on god if we need them to be able to perceive it? How could we get a full picture of god if we give up our eyes to create it? Idk if that dynamic makes sense to you, but thats sort of the way I imagine it. Could be nonsense.
Everyone arguing about the validity of God's existence and morality in a basket weaving hungarian forum is a fricking moron. Frick you all, you are homosexuals.
God is real, Christ is King and all israelites will burn in Hell forever.
And what if heaven is long but subverted and in worse condition than West?
If good is all-sneedful
he cannot be all-chuck
atheists
>SHITSTIANS are so fragile and illogical
also atheists
>NANIIIIII YOU BELIEVE IN GOD IN current year AAAAAIIIIEEEEE I'M GONNA TURN troony AND KILL MYSELF NOW DAWKINS VULT
Dead religion, literally has a more popular fresh expansion called Islam. Never won't be hilarious how alt-rights chose a israeli religion as their core identity, shit's amazing.
alt rights are mostly neopagan
Well this blew up! Thank you for the gold kind stranger
It's all just a part of God's lessons. You have to remember that your existence is nothing next to his. His enjoyment comes from watching humanity. Things like AIDS and monkeypox exist because he doesn't want us to be homosexuals and he doesn't see the point in coming down an infinite amount of times to tell us not to do things. When Eve tempted Adam we lost our right to an eternal paradise without worry.
i've smelled the scent of sex before and i can't smell it on this thread, senpais.
Muslims have no problem with sex while being religious morons. Then again, they don't have the whole weird BDSM thing going on with their sky master fricking them over to show his love. For me just the idea of an all-powerful boss fricking his subordinate's wife till she's pregnant instead of just getting his own is enough to tell that's some bottom-fetish religion.
>anti-christian is a cuck fetishist
lmao of course
How is he cuck enthusiast if he is against it?
Wrong. They actually do too.
You completely submit to the ways of Allah. If Allah gives you cancers, so is His will. If Allah Allows you making billions of dollars and drop giant turds on angelic looking kafir escorts so is His will too. He hears everything and everyone. Nothing goes without his will. Only difference is that even it kafir lives good now (because Allah allows it) he will go to the shitter because he doesn't know the "truth" which is Quarran, he doesn't (follow particular subsect) and doesn't do obligatory x times of prayings. Etc etc etc.
It's just that muzzles also have their leader marry 9 year old, but forbidding his own daughter from marrying young (older than 9 but still "young") And all leaders=prophets were in the right and you aren't allowed to criticize them in any way (Jesus was prophet too)
Or else! (Or nothing, depending on subsect, as always)
Is /misc/ still doing the christcuck meme?
"God" is irrelevant.
God exists and he is just and caring, for he gave every human being the capacity to live freely and in accordance with nature.
Only bad men hate God, and accordingly no bad men is free.
Hopefully he means God is not all good because he set all this in motion, not because God isn't intervening. God can't intervene when the simulation or experiment is set in motion. That would be like editing code while it's compiling. No, nobody has talked to God, take your meds.
God doesn’t control the universe like Sim City so he doesn’t exist.
Checklad
If God makes men truly free then he must allow them to be evil
if men do evil, it's because they are free to do so, not because God is powerless or unkind.
The clear flaw of God is having hope his creation can be good even when given the option to be evil. Satan is the one who tries to prove him wrong by showing men will choose evil every time, since it is easier and more convenient.
Men taint God by doing evil, because they prove that God has that choice as well. If he allows evil to exist, in catastrophic levels, then he also has a bit of bad in him as well.
God, as such, punishes those who taint him, by making them suffer.
it's all a bullshit game tbh
The evil itself isn't set in stone and highly subjective.
Unless only one of Three branches and then only CERTAIN subsect is THE truth.
What is it then?
Can you lust, hate, envy, lie, kill other human being yes and no
Can you marry more than once yes and no
Etc etc etc
And then how world Actually operates.
And not to mention Abraham religions are just part of world religions.
But take look at this : millions if not BILLIONS of people were born and raised on Superman, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Mask, Batman, Robin (Dick Grayson one) as heroes that are absolutely light at heart and never ever ever kill. If someone makes comics or cartoon or film otherwise those creatives will be met with immense fricking HEAT despite the Absolute FACT that all of these characters are created. That they created. Those creators are WELL KNOWN.
What is either WELL KNOWN is that reasons why these characters stopped killing was because censorship that was FORCED upon these creators by SOMEONE ELSE. Either editors or broadcasting or film company that wants to have as much spread for their film as humanly possible. (And in case of Bill Finger who later on agreed with censorship, he was also agreeing against heavy beatings, kidnapping and other highly illegal morally grey stuff that was banned along with kills so ALL modern Batman fans frick off)
Despite that there are millions of greasy nasty moronic "real fans" that will absolutely demolish you with "it's not real character" or "this is out of character" Or "character's creators didn't even know what they created. Despite the fact that absolutely objectively the only canon there can be is where it's absolutely okay if either of these characters kill. Intentionally or as manslaughter, or neglect.
Now do completely untraceable holy texts that no one Certainly knows were written by whom and with what intentions.
Great
Yet entire civilizations are built on this shit. Allegedly.
I'm atheist and I respect religion for helping us progress with "the rule book of morality".
What does a society eventually evolve into when the rules of morality are not codified in stone, but instead are vague suggestions based on whatever is currently considered socially acceptable? You are crazy if you don't think it wouldn't shift towards "whatever" over time - moving further and further away from what we currently know.
A funny way to look at it is that TWITTER is the new god, they're now the ones writing the rules of morality. And it's true, things are already different compared to 10 years ago.
Can you feel the warmth of the sun? Understand why rain falls and replenishes the earth? Fathom the continuity of existence? Understand humanity is the only animal to experience awe. Consider that man is the only animal to able to hypothesize, experiment and record results. Realize man is the only animal to lie. Wise men learn from the mistake of others whereas fools cannot learn from their own. Humanity's folly is claiming power and understanding over systems beyond comprehension, consequently making them a one eyed man in the land of the blind. My predecessor knew that truth is a pathless and overcoming the fear of death lies in understanding the continuity of existence. Any organization that claims to be spiritual is false. The spirit is not to be organized or mechanical in any way. When human intellect is awake and listening it becomes a bottomless cup of wisdom, compassion and contentment. The meek will inherit the earth.
>Can you feel the warmth of the sun?
Yes
>Understand why rain falls and replenishes the earth?
Scientists say because of temperature differences, vaporizing of liquid from one region and dispersion into another
> Fathom the continuity of existence?
Yeah , but people with disabilities can't or they can't express themselves
>Understand humanity is the only animal to experience awe.
How do you know for sure
>Consider that man is the only animal to able to hypothesize, experiment and record results.
How do you know
>Realize man is the only animal to lie.
How do you know
>Wise men learn from the mistake of others whereas fools cannot learn from their own.
Everyone is wise man and everyone is fool. It's all context.
>Humanity's folly is claiming power and understanding over systems beyond comprehension,
Yeah, like I am rn (right now) can type this text in Russia on my (fricking) phone and I will hit send and it will go just like engineers predicted it will
>consequently making them a one eyed man in the land of the blind.
What
> My predecessor knew that truth is a pathless and overcoming the fear of death lies in understanding the continuity of existence.
How do you know
How do you know predecessor didn't lie
> organization that claims to be spiritual is false.
How do you know
> The spirit is not to be organized or mechanical in any way.
Otherwise we have shit life expectancy I am afraid. Maybe wrong. But where are super powers then and where are superheroes.
> When human intellect is awake and listening it becomes a bottomless cup of wisdom, compassion and contentment.
Wisdom doesn't cut the mustard. Actually the foolish ignorance does. Nicola Tesla is exceptional and even then his inventions weren't used by masses as much as Thomas Edison's did
>The meek will inherit the earth.
Maybe, but won't inherit Earth in good condition.