Holy shit! HBO is doubling down on S8 Game of Thrones. House of The Dragon is going to be a disaster like nothing we've ever seen.
Holy shit! HBO is doubling down on S8 Game of Thrones.
Holy shit! HBO is doubling down on S8 Game of Thrones. House of The Dragon is going to be a disaster like nothing we've ever seen.
My mom doesnt use the internet and doesnt know what a podcast is and she said she wont see the new GOT cause if how the original ended
You're a grown man. Move out of her house.
No.
>you have to move out of the family estate and become a rentoid because... you just do ok!!!
>family estate
Mommy's apartment is not an estate.
"no."
>implying Anon doesnt just visit his mom from time to time
B-but it's my house, anon
Kick her out then.
Your mother should have kicked you out of her womb via coat hanger.
Why? So I can get a landlord i hate? I love giving ma and pa money every month.
>paying to live with your parents
some real white people shit
You're right, only a whitoid would lie about that.
Pathetic really.
Correct because it keeps money in the family. Jr helps pay the mortgage and one day inherits then home.
>Move out and pay rent to mister Shekelstein because... Because... BECAUSE I SAID SO, ALRIGHT?!?!?!?!?!
No.
Or you could…buy a house.
why the FRICK would i want to do that
I simply will not pay rent or a 50 year mortgage. Sorry, you see, I quite simply won't.
>he doesn't talk to his mother
call her you homosexual
Boomer Detector: ALERT ALERT!
I like my mom though
A lord does not leave his castle!
Oh yes Mr. Sholkerberg!!!
Holy cow, that's a lot of coping neetcels. The absute insecurity.
Man, capitalism has rotted families.
>My mom doesnt use the internet
i saw your mom take 10 dicks on chaturbate
It is his fault
Maybe the fat bastard should finish what he started instead of going off and doing anything and everything but
It's really quite ridiculous. Martin should just be honest and say he doesn't wish to finish the series. All of these side stories world histories and bullshit, and it all hinges on the primary source itself. I stopped reading his material years ago and have no faith it will ever be released, he should join the rest of us and just walk away and live the rest of his fat bastard life without b***hing.
He won't finish it not because he doesn't want to, but because he literally can't finish it in a satisfying way that lines up with his 'muh subversive fantasy' writing. Half his interesting characters are dead and the other half are miles and miles away from each other because that's the 'natural progression' of their story, so now there's no way to bring every one back together for the big finale without some serious ex machina (ie admitting fantasy tropes are a necessity of writing and seriously contradicting his philosophy of storytelling.)
Part of his writing style was set out to deconstruct rather than create, and as a result his story was always doomed to collapse in on itself. Only now at the end does he realize subversive storytelling is moronic, but being a prideful/cowardly man he's literally waiting to die before admitting he was wrong.
I somewhat disagree, though I can see what you mean. Even by Feast For Crows I could tell Dany would never have a reasonable way of leaving Essos, we're given all this plot in the show but she's barely done anything at all there in the series thus far in the books. There is absolutely no way she will make her way to Westeros and be involved in any sort of climactic battle within 2 books, it is inconceivable if Martin were to continue as he has. That said, it's not as if Martin couldn't write around it while either keeping her there or having some exigent threat that draws her away from even the woes of Meereen. It might not be something that would feel ultimately organic, but the alternative is just never writing anything.
I suppose it's not a great loss. SoS is easily his best work and one of the best in the genre, a real page turner, but it was all downhill from there as the books became more meandering and the publication slowed down. Still a massive shame though, if Martin were forty years younger he could write a good four or five books in the same vein of his earlier novels and it would be a truly captivating series. Oh well.
Usually in GOT, when characters talk a lot about their plans, those plans don't happen. Dany talks so much about crossing the narrow sea with a great armor, that I just assume she will be forced to cross a prisoner of fAegon or maybe sneaks out in exile when she loses control of Mareen.
Judging by the conclusion of DoD that is the only way he could possibly extricate her from the situation without writing something as yet unseen, but it just begs the question of how she would get to Westeros with her dragons, and now she's back at square one again with no army or claim. Even in that situation there's no organic way for her to drum up support. There is so much extraneous dialog hinting at the horrors that will come with the Dothraki horde meeting Westerosi soldiers in open combat. I understand he named it the Meereneese knot, which makes sense, but he just needs to do the sensible thing and have her cut the fricking thing. Everyone has their limits and Dany is an impetuous child in a family with a bent for wild behavior. Have her cut her losses and realize it's either the unwashed masses or her birthright. She'll pridefully claim she'll return to liberate them once more once she has established herself in King's Landing.
Martin's primary talent is world-building and lore (he has spent his entire life playing shit like D&D and even writes/edits a series of books based on he himself and his fellowgays experiences with these games). He also freely admitted that he doesn't plan his writing in advance (bringing up that stupid "gardener" analogy whenever he's talking about writing). None of the above bodes well for actually finishing ASOIAF. He's also a total homosexual and won't name a literary heir to finish the series for him in the event of his death before completion.
I'm going to put this out there now. Someone who has read the series and is decent at writing should honestly just finish it off for him. Plan it out now in detail, based on familiarity with the previous books. TWOW might be coming out soon but if someone had taken on the above project when ADWD was released Marin would be seething right now that someone completed his series. If someone takes this on they should hold back until TWOW is released, take those plotlines into account, and just finish the last book. It would be fricking hilarious if they put it out as a leaked copy--Martin would have a conniption fit and probably die of a heart attack. I'm willing to bet a large proportion of "fans" would simply accept the anonymous person's work as canon.
He knows he shart the bed, he's just being defensive now because it's not like he's going to admit that he got fat and lazy.
I think It'll come out after he dies. They'll claim that it was 90% done when he died, hire a well-respected author to finish it, then crank out 2 more books within a couple of years to wrap up the series. No one will really be happy with it but the books will still be better received than the final seasons of the show.
There's plenty of precedent for it. Gary Jennings wrote two books on the Aztecs, and his editor wrote more books in that universe because he has all of Jenning's extensive notes and research to draw from - Jennings spent 12 years living in Mexico to research the first book. (I don't bother with the non-Jennings Atzec books, they're not very good, but the OG book Atzec is a masterpiece.) (If you want some damned good historical novels, get Aztec, Raptor, The Journeyer, and Spangle from Jennings.)
IF George has kept notes and assorted writings on file somewhere, someone might be able to pull it off. But George doesn't plan ahead, and doesn't seem to research anything, so...I have my doubts.
Regardless, I won't read them if he finishes them or someone else does. I noped out of him and his books years ago, I just don't have any interest in him and his work, I wouldn't even pirate an ebook if something eventually comes out. Frick George right in his fat, lazy ass, there are thousands of authors who deserve your attention and money.
>But George doesn't plan ahead, and doesn't seem to research anything
He also uses a 30-year old OS for writing that probably 3 people in America still use.
It's like he's doing every possible thing to frick up his series' conclusion.
>I won't read them if he finishes them or someone else does. I noped out of him and his books years ago, I just don't have any interest in him and his work, I wouldn't even pirate an ebook if something eventually comes out. Frick George right in his fat, lazy ass, there are thousands of authors who deserve your attention and money.
Yeah this is basically how I feel. Like, if he got sick or had a heart attack or something before finishing the books I wouldn't hold it against him. But he just couldn't be bothered. So frick him and anything else he makes.
>No, it's the audience that are wrong
Bravo GRRM
This. Plus
>NO IT'S THE INTERNET THAT'S TOXIC!!!!
Has left me refusing to watch ANY new Hollywood project.
The audiences can and often are wrong, it's just that in this case and a couple recent ones they're not because the product is so terrible.
Strange how he can't accept that a person forms their own negative opinions and instead indirectly takes them from le toxic internet and podcasts.
Sounds like one of those schizo rants that gets posted here all the time.
>a person forms their
?
You'll learn English someday
>"Oh yes, yes, I'm Rajeesh and I love posting on Cinemaphile with all the sirs!"
It's not the trajectory of the plot people take issue with, it's the clear deficit of nuance in the last 3 seasons clearly explained by the fact that Martin was too busy sampling exotic sushi and nodding politely as a rotary of elden ring concept art passed by his eyes
>Ed Sheeran in S7
>Prostitute mentions poor Eddie being blasted by the dragons
They were pointing a finger at themselves at that point, so frick them for trying to act like the audience didn't have expectations they failed to meet
what martin probably thinks:
>whining about dany being evil? she was always bad, im not going to write fairy tale princess characters
what Cinemaphile thinks he thinks:
>yasss kweens anime flip teleport behind the big bads, get use to it incels
What Martin actually said:
>People who dislike S8 GOT are toxic
>Toxic.
That word already lost all meaning, liberals and their fricking buzzwords.
Normies hated it because they wanted a fairy tale ending. People with more than 2 braincells hated it because of the hackneyed dialogue, bad pacing, and unresolved plotlines. Both D&D and Martin are to blame. The lack of source material started to drag the show down with filler around season 6, the D&D tried to shove 2-3 seasons of material into season 8 because the show was getting expensive and everyone else had other projects. The pacing is so jarring and disjointed I'm surprised anyone can actually enjoy it.
Getting expensive was an excuse and most of the actors have not gone on to strong careers. D&D thought they were going to move onto their own Star Wars trilogy and finished up GOT in a rush.
>People with more than 2 braincells
Dropped it after s4-6.
>Normies hated it because they wanted a fairy tale ending
moronic take by a moronic poster. The entire promise if the narrative was that it wasn't going to have a fairy tale ending and CIA practically says this directly into the camera
People just wanted something that wasn't a poorly written and directed and acted pile of garbage
Oh frick off moron. At the height of its popularity, the so called fans couldn't even name 5 characters. The stupid thing was poorly written for years before that last season. Face it, normies wanted Dany to be ruler not villain.
>Face it, normies wanted Dany to be ruler not villain.
gays. I wanted Dany to sit on my face.
Those arent "fans" but just npcs who watch whatever is playing on tv without understanding it hotd will be the same
>The entire promise if the narrative was that it wasn't going to have a fairy tale ending and CIA practically says this directly into the camera
>"if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention" (Ramsey)
>show ends with a fairy tale happy ending
Bravo Dabid
>expecting an unhappy ending
I guess you could that your expectations were... "subverted"
>The happy ending Sansa
>Sansa
>The happy ending
>Ramsay's happy ending
>It was beautiful
No you're the moron. The fan reaction (mainly female) to 1) the red wedding 2) Sansa's "rape" was writing on the wall for how certain fans would react to Dany being a villain. Millions of fans built Dany up as an infallible yas kween girlboss despite all of the foreshadowing. People are dumb, get over it.
This isn’t entirely their fault though. D&D poorly mapped out her arc and often made her react totally contrary to how she did in the books. So she wouldn’t often act like a psycho then every character would react by calling her a perfect savior. So fans were conditioned to see her as infallible. They cheated the “twist” with poor writing.
normies defended arya killing night king when that was clearly jon's arc but cried when dany turned heel even tho that had been alluded to and built up to for seasons. if you dont want normies to shit on your show on the internet now you have to have fairy tale endings for your main characters
They just wanted a fairy tale where a woman, a midget, and a bastard triumph over evil, not some hacking privileged butthole. When people say they want "subversion", generally it just means they want the old stories, but superficially different, and more in line with modern sensibilities.
Women are dumb.
Not really, normies probably didn't like it because they wanted to see John Snow marry Dany and rule the iron throne.
People who actually followed the show and read the books wanted closure for the storyline.
Nobody who watched the show ended up happy, the writing was ham-fisted and senseless, almost nothing was resolved in a satisfactory or coherent manner.
>and everyone else had other projects.
It's funny how so many people forget this fact. Lucasfilm was hot to sign them for a Star Wars trilogy of films, and D&D saw the MASSIVE money that comes with that kind of deal and likely started focusing all of their attention on dreaming up what to shit out for their story.
Literally no one expected a fairy tail ending.
They did expect some sort of payoff for 8 seasons of schemes and plots other then lmao, Jon walks off into the snow.
Danny was always riding the line. And George is a huge hippy. She has the nukes the ultimate power and I think George wont let it go any way but destroying her.
thats not what Cinemaphile was saying at the time you fricking newbie
normies thought it was bad because dany became a bad guy
Fatman is getting more and more pathetic with each day. Just collect your damn paycheck and stop writing these moronic blog posts
i don’t trust anyone who dislikes season 8 but not seasons 5, 6, and 7.
dgaf, i like much of season 6, beginning with hodor
dislike s2, some of 4, then yea 5 onward. I already thought it was in parody mode in s6, but it was fun at that point. S7 and s8 even lost anything that made them fun.
I didn't mind the Sheeran cameo all that much.
Who
Can anybody explain what exactly this dude provided to the Night's Watch? I'm not a bookgay, but I'll take book lore if I have to. I'm rewatching the show and I am baffled as to why they didn't kill him decades ago, and why Mormont acts afraid of him.
He provides a relatively safe shelter north of the wall, complete with food and whatnot
He let them stay at his keep whenever they went ranging, and he gave inbred babies to the Others to poison their gene pool.
You mean his tiny hut? Did anybody other than maybe Jeor actually get to stay in there? They could've just killed him, treated him like the deranged wildling he is, and been done with it. Does the Watch not know how to build outposts?
The watch is clinically undermanned, they could build a shelter but can't send people out to maintain it.
So who maintains Craster's Keep? The Others?
Craster and his 1009482092502950 daughetwives?
So Craster.
Craster and his wives
True hero of GOT
He literally is just a dude with a house and a fire with some food that lets rangers stay and feeds them.
It's harsh out in the arctic wilderness. That is valuable.
Mormont is not afraid of him. He only doesn't want to lose a somewhat valuable resource.
??
Just kill him and take his house lol
His house is only safe because he sacrifices his baby sons to the wights. If the rangers took it over I imagine wights would show up eventually.
Plus the nights watch are men of law. It would have to be done conspiratorially and off the record if they wanted to do it.
Why didn't the wildlings kill him for being a collaborator?
He made a massive blogpost subtly shitting on seasons 5-8. This is HBO telling him to "cut it out if he wants his cinematic universe"
George thinking S8 is good is very worrying for Winds.
Dance of Dragons was already pretty meh and had too much of a focus on the female characters to the point of boredom.
Gurm never said this, and it's insane how many people fall for unsourced, poorly shopped fakes when it's not even speaking in gurm's voice.
Not fake homosexual read
Winds is never coming out
He made a story that can never have a satisfying ending thats his problem too much bloat
>the fricking toxic internet!
He seethes, shoving his face with another twinkie
>I dont trust them!
He copes as he neglects his books, as he writes another blog post about the NFL
What a fricking loser.
Normally i would say he got a point but this is the guy who never finish his book. Sure,ultimately,the series ending is not his fault but y'know it would have helped if he gave HBO some materials. Hell,who know,helping co writing the finale could have helped ?
>Season 8
Shit was going downhill after 4 and became unwatchable at season 7
This, Stannis's treatment was pretty bad.
>20 good men beat Stannis
Lmao
frick stannis i hope you're still seething
Go to bed renly
Letting authors and other artists whine about "internet haters" is such a bad look, why do they keep doing it. Have some fricking dignity, man.
I like how toxic is still being uses as the go-to buzzword to try and dicredit any criticism you've ever gotten
Maybe he'll keep up with the times and use "anti-democratic acts" next
Nobody has ever shat the bed as badly as GoT (I mean Star Wars comes close I suppose). Ffs, eve the normies who were still on board after the quality had already declined realized it. The show went form biggest popcultural phenomenon to absolute 0, fricking 0 after it was over. I can't imagine any way to frick it up worse tbh, even if you tried to do it on purpose it would have at least been more memorable I suppose.
A lot of it was on purpose though. D&D are pretty brazen about letting that show. They laughed at how they made random decisions, let their family member’s favoritism of characters influence it, and all the arbitrary tricks they pulled just to spite leakers. In their minds, their careers were already made. They were done with the Red Wedding. They thought it immunized them.
At least post the source OP. The pic is from the "The Wars to Come" section of the article, about 3/4 into it.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/inside-house-of-the-dragon-trailer-cast-1235182776/
Just read the article.
>When shaping the first season, the showrunners realized a theme was coming into focus — one they hadn’t expected: The patriarchy would rather destroy itself than see a woman on the throne.
Ready for political agenda in your fantasy television, boys?
>At least post the source OP. The pic is from the "The Wars to Come" section of the article, about 3/4 into it.
>https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/inside-house-of-the-dragon-trailer-cast-1235182776/
how did you get that far. The entire article is one huge clusterfrick and parts are worse then OP's little snippet. The director even mentions how they're going to show how dangerous child birth is because of roe vs wade being overturned. lol.
>“Sometimes I sit around trying to figure out who the hell I am in this whole scenario,” Martin muses candidly. “Am I George Lucas? Am I Gene Roddenberry? Am I Stan Lee? How do I relate to this IP?
what a fricking dork he is
Gene coon wrote all the good Star Trek.
All Roddenberry did is cast the women in miniskirts to frick them easiest.
He hates it because since he never got to finish the books, someone else finished it for him and it was absolute shit. He took it personally because the “shit” used his ideas. This is all his fault for being a lazy fat frick.
I can't really think of a more effective way to writer to frick themselves
Dany was always supposed to end up evil
Tyrion is supposed to end up even more evil and the one who pushes her into burning King's Landing.
That's what the show fricked up (besides not know how to write smart characters and just having them all be morons). They fell to fan service and made Tyrion good, despite him clearly heading towards major Villain status.
https://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/essays/
Read these essays on Tyrion and Dany, and it will be crystal clear.
I hope that house of the dragon fails and they can all the other shows.
Maybe it'd make the fat man finish the book before PJ's fanfiction.
>black targaryan
DOA
link to the article so I can read the context?
>it’s the podcasters fault the show was shit!!!
What's toxic about not liking something? Why are you obligated to like things?
He said toxic internet as in people talking about how much they hate the finale 3 years later
The funny thing is barely anybody's talking about GoT and when they do it's about how bad the series ended/was in its second half. This fat frick has to deal with the fact that the show's legacy is ending in disappointment. And that's not the opinion of "toxic" people, it's virtually everyone's opinion.
>people only talk about it to hate on it
Sounds toxic to me
What else do you expect them to talk about if it's brought up? Pretend it didn't turn to shit? That is its legacy.
>What else do you expect them to talk about if it's brought up?
No one is thinking it's cool. They talk about how shit it turned because it was once good. No one enjoys seeing something they liked turn to shit. Disappointment is the GoT legacy. Disappointment in the terrible second half of the show. Disappointment in the unfinished novels. Disappointment that they have clearly not learned anything and seem to be mentally preparing for people to reject the shit they serve up once again.
Disappointment.
>Dude don't ever talk about things that are bad, just like live happy and don't acknowledge the bad
Wow you're right, if I go through life living like a total moron everything is way better!
Yes.
Consume Product.
Then get excited for next product.
Pay taxes. Do not question your rulers.
Be a good citizen.
jesus frick
soulless dead fish eyes
>you can’t talk about how bad things are or you are “toxic”
There just isn’t much else to say about it.
The reeling after this mild scene was so over the top. The problem is that so many women self-inserted as either Dany or Sansa that it was literally impossible to do anything negative with their characters without a huge backlash from the press or social media.
It was beautiful
To be fair the whole plot makes no sense whatsoever. Littlefinger would never give Sansa to Ramsay, even if he were somehow unaware of him being a sicko
Sansa in the north kept her away from Cersei.
>Shansha, did I ever tell you the story of my undying love for your mother Catelyn Shtark? Yesh, ever since my boyhood she has been the only one for me, and now that she's dead I've transferred that love onto you because you look like her. It's a real Sheverus Shnape shcenario. Anyway, in addition to my hebephilic feelings toward you, you are the only person who knows that the Queen of Thorns and I commited regicide against the current monarch. You are also the key to both the North and the Riverlands, as well as being instrumental to maintaining my power in the Vale given that you know I murdered your aunt. In shpite of alll of this, I have decided to marry you off to Ramsay Shnow, the sociopathic bastard son of Roosh Bolton, your father's ancestral enemy who killed your entire family. Ramsay is an amoral wildcard who has a taste for raping, brutalizing and eventually murdering pretty girls like you. You will be given no protection and can freely write to Cersei and tell her I murdered her son if you wish. In exchange I will receive absolutely nothing of an neither will you. Ramsay doesn't even know what you look like and I could easily pass off some worthless pawn as you or Arya like I did in the booksh, but never you mind. Now give ush a kissh, love.
>NO! THISH CANT BE HAPPENING! IM IN CHARGE HERE!
>This can't be happpening! I'm in charge here!
>If I take off the character consistency, will I die?
>can freely write to Cersei and tell her I murdered her son if you wish
Cersei had already made up her mind.
Tried to figure out the decision making here and I think it comes down to: they needed Sansa to have clear protagonist reasoning as well as the “use rape to find my inner gurlpower!” arc. If she just turns on Littlefinger because it’s smart and works for her, that’s not as moving as if it was revenge for something pointlessly cruel.
hooly
I like how they were b***hing about marital rape when there was one of those every fricking season.
Can someone tell me the name of the original art this was based off? It looks familiar.
holy shit lmao
I blame this woman for my degeneracy
>time tiiiiiiiiime what is the time?
>tick tick tock
>ITS PARTY O CLOCK
More and more normies, troons and gays joined every season because of the hype. They didn't have "watch parties" in S1-4
>the goats
Pandering to women who turned GOT into their comfort show was a big decline for the series. To be fair it wasn't just that, post Season 4 has a lot of issues and the girl power shit is just one of them.
Also a lot of women got off sexually to this scene but complained about it anyway. There's a big disconnect between what women say they they like and their revealed preferences. Just look at all of the fascination with true crime and serial killers. It's 90% driven by women. Lust and violence an inexplicably entwined with them.
In my country a few years ago there was a book published with short stories (maybe 20-30) by women about their sexual fantasies, all of them anonymously, but apparently some of them well known. The woman who collected them was your typical STRONG WOMYN type.
So were the stories about romantic candlelit dinners or flowers or Paris in the autumn or something like that? Nope. 90% had pretty much the same plot. They were followed by a stranger who would catch up to them and ravage them. The stories were fricking rape fantasies.
Women are insane.
Don't care. I waited six years for a cool pitched battle scene and it was still nonsensical.
Is it that fricking hard to just have two medieval armies fight each other realistically without any ice zombies or dragons or giants or Sansa?
We aren't getting battles that make sense in a movie or series ever again, except in some niche historical kinos like Master and Commander. Everyone praised the Battle of the Bastards as a "gritty, realistic depiction of medieval warfare" even if it didn't make sense at all.
The cavalry just charges into each other at full speed, completely missing Jon, and then the Bolton infantry throws away all cohesion and fights individually like wildlings. Somehow the bodies pile up into small hills, and when the archers charge in as well, they just get surrounded by the now organized Bolton infantry, without challenging them. But because it had mud and blood it's a good depiction of how medieval battles went down.
>But because it had mud and blood it's a good depiction of how medieval battles went down.
Yep. D&D just wanted to make a medieval version of the Saving Private Ryan intro.
Goddamn I wish I could be a cinematographer, looks fun
this looks good.
why did they give up after this?
>this looks good.
Because by the end they went for spectacle above anything else. They got enough of a budget in the final seasons to do random blockbuster shit to distract everyone from the shitty scripts.
Like the other poster said, it just became brainless action. This scene was well shot, but even it fell into a lot of that. Granted, it's (usually very) low fantasy, but when your brain checks out it's usually because there's no reason to watch it. I'm not saying battles should be like Waterloo with perfect attention to accuracy, but this whole shit with random barely armored dudes in a wide open field just melee'ing away is so fricking tired.
>season 1
>no 15 minute action masturbation for battle of whispering wood
>no one complains
>the political implications are more interesting
>the show is better off for it
It's because there are more stakes. I still found some of the battle scenes to be underwhelming, but the political intrigue drew you away. As the funding funneled in they replaced much of it for pure spectacle. In the moment you just sit and enjoy the action, but it just ends up being action for the sake of action. Bron's battle against Ser Vardis was the highlight of the series for me. So much hinging on just simple trial by combat. No need for vast open fields or expensive set pieces, yet all the more suspenseful.
show died with tywin
After Tywin and Olenna were kiled off the show was left with 0 great actors.
Radmure, but they still wasted his potential.
Lena Headey was ok too, but the writing went totally to shit. I don't think Charles Dance could have saved it.
I wish I were the guy throwing greenscreen objects into the background
I hate combat scenes in movies and tv shows.
I think they like to subvert expectations by having irredeemable characters have good ideas. Joffrey had the best plan/concerns in dealing with Danearys, and Jon is shown to be a dogshit field commander while Ramsey is actually pretty good at it.
Have battles ever even tried to make sense in movies? If battles can go on for hours of hand-to-hand fighting and you can conquer "the known world" with the same few tens of thousand men so long as you never lose any battles, medieval battles probably weren't very bloody until the rout.
Medieval battles in particular seem to just have been people standing around meekly wailing in each others' general direction while trying not to get killed, until one side's formation breaks over some stupid reason, triggering a rout, and then whoever isn't routing murders as many as the fleeing men as they can.
To get proper fighting you'd have to go all the way back to the romans or something, who were psycho enough to fight battles where even the winner suffered massive casualties.
They were typically endurance tests. They went on for hours. All the jumping around slashing wildly with swords in movies and TV is bullshit.
Troops would beat on each others shields for hours, with pauses in the action when both sides were too exhausted to continue.
The Roman technique was to exhaust the enemy with the younger, less experienced and poorly equipped men, then cycle forward the veterans as the first line became too tired.
Most convincing battle I can think of is Guagemala in Alexander.
I give Rome some credit for showing the Romans cycling their infantry and being very concerned with formation. They were at least trying.
>Best Roman battle scene
>Only two minutes long
God damn it, people
There are tons of movies with purer historical accuracy in military strategy. With regards to medieval, or even ancient or classical combat, however, there aren't many. As you rightly identified, battles could take place over a series of hours, and a majority of deaths occurred during the rout. Most of the more authentic portions you see in any film that puts in an effort will depict one portion of it realistically while skimping on the rest. For example, in Rome they have some moments where they display the maniple swap, in which frontlines of exhausted fighters would be switched for fresh combatants. This was an actual tactic used, though likely not exactly as we see.
The truth is that in the medieval period battles were rarer than sieges. It was much easier to gather a host and surround a fortification than it was to jaunt about enemy territory and engage them in combat. After all, for a battle to occur generally both sides have to have some level of confidence they can win, otherwise they would simply retreat. That's not to say that bloody battles have never existed, as we have obviously thousands of examples throughout history where they occurred. But the medieval world just was not filled with men lining up, facing each other, and just stabbing one another until there were piles of dead bodies.
Or China. The Empire, long divided, must unite; the Empire, long united, must divide, after killing millions in each case.
>I waited six years for a cool pitched battle scene and it was still nonsensical.
>Is it that fricking hard to just have two medieval armies fight each other realistically without any ice zombies or dragons or giants or Sansa?
You could have just watched the Lord of the Rings films instead, dumbass.
Why are they not blaming "right wingers" for this one?
JUST FINISH THE FRICKING BOOKS YOU FAT WASTE OF SPACE AAAAAAAGGGHHH
Its never happening. Only reason he was writing those in the first place is he failed out of television writing. Well guess what hes back in anon. And frick those book readers. They can just watch the new show.
I think even if he dies before Winds of Winter it will be released posthumously after being patched up by a co-writer brought in by the publishers, but yeah Dream of Spring will never exist
If Winds of Winter is released posthumously, so too will Dream of Spring. There is no way a publisher will sit without releasing a conclusion to such a titanic fantasy series. Who knows, the one that fills the gaps could do it better than him. Granted, Sanderson had more material to work with, but I found his writing a breath of fresh air compared to Jordan's books 7-10 in WoT. Though I suppose that is not the norm in fantasy circles since Sanderson is maligned often.
Why? Dance and Feast were both awful he hasn’t released a good book since ‘98. You people are like the fatter version of Harry Potter nerds.
>Every kingdom in Westeros is xenophobic in one way or another
>Northerners hate Wildlings
>Westerners hate Iron Islanders
>Tyrells hate Dornish
>Anytime a war breaks out, enmity against enemies reaches peak levels
>Somehow the entire royal court is fine with a bunch of off the boat Black folks
To be fair in AGoT, there is an exiled prince from the Summer Islands at Bob Baratheon's court for some reason. I presume he was there looking for support to go back home, but I don't think it was ever explored much. There is absolutely no reason to make Velaryons into black people because there is already a canonical source and location for black people in this medieval fantasy story.
But why is that even problem to solve? You're basically saying they're right fir inserting diversity but wrong about how they go about it
Anon, you know exactly why it was done. It's laughably bad, everyone knows it's not done to be close to the source material. They think they've captured the audience, they can now mangle it however they desire. And Martin doesn't give a frick, so why should we? No one's going to watch that shitfest past the first episode, it'll crash and burn and they'll let the IP "rest" while they on and butcher something else. I for one can't WAIT to see a black Severian and mulatto Dorcas journey across Urth. Maybe we'll even get a troony Baldanders, oh boy!
this fat moron is definitely dying before he releases his last book right?
I didn't believe it was real. But it was. They have really deluded themselves into thinking this was just an internet reaction when you could see interest drop like a fricking rock.
>we know it was going to be divisive
Even they know it sucks
GRRM is still being paid to help promote the new crappy spinoff, of course he is going to pretend that the show was good. His true feelings on the matter are showcased by the fact that he said the books are going to diverge from the show.
>Caring more about the israelites' failed ending than your non-existent one.
What a whiny b***h. Normal writers don't do this press junket shit. They just write and go to book signings.
>We knew it was going to be divisive and, of course, you want all fans to be happy, but that's never going to happen.
Probably should have aimed for some happy fans at least instead of none then, moron.
I loved GOT till about season 5. Get woke, I stop watching.
Lmao pure delusion
My normie friends started watching in like S4 and vowed to never watch this shit again
I feel exactly zero compulsion to watch the new show
~~*you*~~ WILL watch the Dragon and ~~*you*~~ WILL praise it
>therte weren't alot of upset people
hey how's dum and dummer's star wars movie coming along?
I remember people at the office discussing this show daily. Then after the finale and related complaints, I never heard about it ever again. Still haven't watched a single episode.
It died off in my office so quickly. I have never seen that before in my life whether it be school, college or work where a big show ends and people are so willing to just forget it completely and move on.
Thats how you know even normies were realizing how fricked up it had become and were just waiting for the floodgates of criticism to open.
>IT'S ALL TROLLS AND TOXIC INTERNET POSTS
He'll find out when no one ends up watching this shit.
Everything after season 2 was bad
HOLY SHIT HEIL HITLER
>he thinks it’s just the internet that hated season 8
It’s like the morons the defend TLJ. They can’t wrap their minds around the fact their product was reject by normies.
I wish the meme was "poisonous" or "poison" instead of "toxic" because Poison by Alice Cooper is a much better song than Toxic by whoever the frick. Is it Brittney Spears?
The fat, lazy frick thinks it was just a loud minority that hated season 8.
>toxic
We were all addicted and in love with Lost, Battlestar, and Game of Thrones when they were on.
Then they told fans "frick you" in their final season, so why would we trust YOU?
I will never watch any episode of those shows again, or one single minute of this stupid fricking Dragons show, just like I never watched the dumbfrick Battlestar prequel.
>final season
They said frick you in season 4 but you were too distracted
Also Caprica is better than BSG
Most of those shows the cracks show well before the last season, you just can't keep pretending it could get better when it ends like that.
Lost obviously never knew where it was going, the pilot didn't even set up the stakes of the show, it was too vague and I stopped watching after the pilot. Turns out I was right to do so.
Battlestar didn't have an ending either, the "reveal" of the final cylons with like 1-2 seasons to go was stupid as frick. The show never recovered.
I still don't know the exact GoT "jump the shark" moment but I think it was when Jon Snow and Friends decided to go north of the wall to capture a walker, despite no walker ever having been seen in groups less than, like, 1000. It was entirely illogical and contrived, and then of course didn't pay off anyway.
What we have here is like in 2010 when Fox was all "We can't figure out why Avatar DVD's aren't selling that well. The movie did so well in theaters!" ... Yes, but we're done with that now. People will get fired over the money spent on HoD and I will laugh and laugh
Nobody who is the right ethnoreligious group is getting fired for flushing money down the toilet.
An exec can make a show that fails, and live to fight another day.
But spend as much money as they are on House of the Dragon, and watch it crash in slow motion like this, someone is absolutely getting fired.
>But spend as much money as they are on House of the Dragon, and watch it crash in slow motion like this, someone is absolutely getting fired.
A goyim will be sacrificed - its what they're for.
>Lost obviously never knew where it was going, the pilot didn't even set up the stakes of the show, it was too vague and I stopped watching after the pilot
based moron
While he was wrong in where he stopped, he is one hundred percent correct in the continuous mystery of the show. After awhile you get tired of the constant questions being raised but never answered. And once answered, either more questions are raised or the answers are unsatisfactory. The show really fell apart after season 3, and on rewatch most of it just feels totally and utterly pointless.
From what I heard years ago lost was originally only meant to be 3 seasons but cause it was so successful the network demanded they do more and they ended up writing shit week to week to keep it going
It certainly feels like it, even though you're not in the writing room for any of these shows you can practically feel the lack of attention to the plot. It's really kind of a shame, I still remember watching them week to week in the earlier seasons and trying to imagine what could possibly be the reason for all the weird goings-on
Yeah I remember the first 2 seasons being brilliant and then it just started falling apart
Caprica was canceled immediately, for the same reason Dragons is gonna get shitcanned immediately.
Not sure what your S4 problems are, I'd say definitive, can't-fix-that cracks didn't show up until the next-to-last season.
>I'd say definitive, can't-fix-that cracks didn't show up until the next-to-last season.
>Tyrion leaves King's Landing
>does nothing for 4 seasons because they couldn't fix the cracks they created
>Tyrion does nothing
He wanders for a bit then finds Daenarys, there was no issue with that at all, narratively, unless you're just mad it wasn't in any of the released books
Nice, the armor still looks like shit.
>That blonde-haired, black Targaryen sticking out like dog's balls
You might as well have a clown or hippopotamus there. That's how out of place it looks.
Why wouldn't they just write something with the Summer Isles if they wanted to do black GoT? Maybe a Summer Isles uprising against one king or some shit. It was pretty much unexplored throughout the show so you've got plenty of material you could make up there.
It's not about black characters. There are lots of potential black characters in GoT's world.
It's specifically and intentionally about taking a white character and making them non-white.
That's not just the case here though, it's their entire thing.
>It's specifically and intentionally about taking a white character and making them non-white.
Because Targaryens and by extension all of Valyria were powerful, they've got to have "people of color" represented. It's just how it is, anon. There will never, ever be another film of monolithic racial composition, excepting of course those which are minorities in the west.
>toxic
leftists are a literal cancer on Western society
Sad to think the only closure book fans will ever get is the twitter trend and funny shitposts that will happen when that fat moronic fricking homosexual gracelessly expires from a vax induced heart attack next year. if i knew about this c**t i would have never started reading AGoT back in the 90s
tax policy. now.
i already have a super long post ITT but i fricking love how the argument against this show existing can basically be boiled down to a three-word troll post. Hats off to you, sir
WE
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If I knew season 8 would be shit I never would’ve even started watching this show to begin with. I started watching this show as season 5 was airing. Fell in love with it, bought all the seasons on Blu ray. Started reading the first few books. Collected some merchandise. After season 8 was over my enthusiasm for this series completely died. I just have zero interest in it anymore. I sold all my blu rays and pawned my merchandise. I still have the books laying around somewhere but knowing fat frick will never finish writing them I stopped reading them. This franchise is dead to me. I have zero interest in this new show. I do not care. In 8 years from now when this series is over and everyone collectively agrees it’s a masterpiece of a show from start to finish, maybe I’ll try it out.
>If I knew season 8 would be shit I never would’ve even started watching this show to begin with
Seasons 5, 6 and 7 didn't clue you in?
Season 5 and 6 weren't bad at all. The show still had everyone griped. Those were good season, not great, but solid. With hindsight you can see the decline tho. It happened so gradually most of us didn't notice nor did we imagine the cluster frick that would be season 8. And btw, you kept watching GoT after season 5, even tho you claimed it was so "shit" so obviously the show had you hooked still. If there was a season 9 announced after the cluster frick that was season 8 I wouldn't even bother.
no, under even the most tame of scrutiny those seasons were trash
people watched beyond the point of it becoming shit to see a resolution to grrm's story, not because they were gripped by d&d's show
the live threads here memed the frick out of how bad it was and it wasn't "in hindsight"
>the fookin' legend of gin alley
>shirtless, cartoon villain ramsay
>ramsay and his "20 good men" traveling through a blizzard to take don winterfell
>the entire sand snakes and dorne debacle
>the iron islands collecting materials and building a fleet of 1000 ships in the time that nothing happened in the rest of westeros
>euron doing everything just to frick the queen
>characters teleporting all over the place
the last few seasons were nothing but constant mockery m8
You started watching when the show had already become irredeemable. You deserve what you got.
RELEASE THE PILOT
>spend $30 million
>throw it in the trash
This country is overdue for storming the Bastille
>Goldman
you know it's bad when even the israelites can't bring themselves too release it
It's blatantly obvious that a lot of normie tier viewers were self-inserting as either Dany or John, and were pretty underwhelmed with how things turned out.
That's kind of the problem they've run into. It didn't appeal to anyone enough. It wasn't mass audience pleasing, but it wasn't subversive in any way that actually felt clever or worthwhile. People have absolutely moved on.
the last 1-2 seasons weren't subversive or interesting, no. Just generic by-the-numbers TV
None of them had any problems with Arya assassinating the night king. I'm kinda glad they killed Dany. Frick their stronk female fantasy
only racist, homophobic, misogynists hated season 8
Nothing happened with the end game scenarios seasons 5-7 and then everything happened in season 8. Fat man and D&D are both to blame.
It’s funny, one of the ways liberals used to virtue signal was by citing audience mass support and railing against executives/producers/companies, etc. now the audience are all evil, literally nothing is said about the “suits”, and everyone just takes that fir granted. I guess if you label any otherwise undefined group as all racists, you don’t need to worry about criticism of business practices. But they can hardly even do that with GoT, because the brave woman and her PoC comrades all lost.
Because it was all cynical. Just look at how they think they're preserving "democracy" while using the supreme court to push through unpopular law for 60 some odd years.
11 YEARS GEORGE
IF YOU CARED ABOUT YOUR STORY, THE ONE YOU WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR I REMIND YOU, YOUR LIFE'S LEGACY, PERHAPS YOU SHOULD FINISH THE FRICKING BOOKS, AND STOP GIVING THE REIGNS TO OTHER PEOPLE
E L E V E N
Y E A R S
George is getting upset!
ELEVEN YEARS OF "IT'S COMING" BLOGPOSTS
WHERE'S THE BOOK MARTIN?
WHERE'S THE BOOK?
I just fricking watched that episode, what the frick is this shit
>It's the lemon cakes.
>George likes his books filled with food and jailbait porn.
All women want to be raped by handsome psychopaths.
>targaryens are black now
Velaryons, but yeah basically. It’s gonna be funny when/if Daenaera pops up and she’s like “hi I’m the one white relative”, or maybe they’ll just make her black and ignore what that means for continuity.
Didn't even Martin shitcan season 8?
>the fricking toxic Internet
GRRM is a loathsome fat redditor
>Taraeryan husband's wife is pregnant
>she gives birth
>it's a black child
>husband: Ah! This is definitely my son and I'm so proud!
This is canon, btw.
what, you’ve got it completely backwards. Targaryen princess married to a black gay Velaryon has two white sons and they all, including the gay black guy’s dad, recognize the white sons as legitimate velaryons.
Society has become too feminine. I mean read this shit again.
The iphone (and Facebook on the iphone) was a mistake. Before that the internet was 80% male. People should have to be able to set up a router and assign a DSN server before they're allowed to post online.
>fricking toxic internet, man
>I don't trust them anymore
Who does he trust then? The diversity hires making HOTD? It feels like he spends more time whining about the mean audience and former fans than writing
George is so pathetic...
how did he write anything decent at all?
>how did he write anything decent at all?
Did he?
>how did he write anything decent at all?
He lifted it out of history books then changed it up a little.
why does Cinemaphile hate GoT now? just because they added Black folk? we had them in the series before
Hope the number are so bad it gives that fat frick a heart attack. I am only interested in him finishing the books and he clearly never will.
Books are going to get the Berserk treatment.
Quality of the new writing may be questionable but the replacement author will cut out all of the fluff bullshit from the previous two books.
Do you think Elden Ring succeeding (despite his minor input) gave him a confidence boost to say people who dislike his work are wrong?
Only slightly because even that game has an open-ended ending, so you can't fully praise him.
George, I know you're lurking here.
It's not like you're actually writing.
He was contractually bound to give a few appearances, interviews and write something controversial to shill the new show. Seems like it's working, suddenly he's everywhere. Where was he to celebrate and defend the masterpiece of three years ago?
Tubby is sweating his legacy, hard. He's desperate to do something, anything, to distract from his legacy being "the author who never finished his best known work...", and he's severely butthurt that his books about the Targaryens haven't created much hype. Fatty is trying to make his Silmarillion without finishing his Lord Of The Rings.
There's no way, with how slowly he writes, that he finishes A Song of Fire And Ice. He fricked up, with no way to recover, unless he hands outlines over to someone else to finish them up.
>Criticize Tolkien all you want
>But don't dare criticizing my boys D&D and my breadgivers from HBO
Contractually obligated to suck israeli wiener.
Shit, that's making it in Hollywood in a nutshell.
I was an ASOIAF fan since 2006 but fortunately grew out of it around the same time the show started getting shitty. This fattie showed his true colors. I'm so glad the fumbling of the TV show helped destroy this c**ts legacy. He will be a tiny blip in history a few decades from now. The only time people will mention his name is in media class when they discuss the phenomenon of long TV shows turning to shit.
He was such a shitty leader that it was a relief when he died. When his mutt wife got stabbed in the womb I cheered.
Are you moronic. He led every battle to victory. He was too GOOD of a leader, until he fell for the female maymay
All he literally had to do was marry a Frey. It doesn't matter how many battle you win. If he could not see that very obvious fact right in front of him, then he was never going to win any war. He had loser energy.
bookgays and any viewer with some level of critical analysis and brain capacity saw that the shows was in a downward spiral after season 4 (and even up to that point, had it's moronic moments), but most probably continued watching the train wreck just to see how the story ended, because grrm sure as shit will never get his fat ass moving
the problem is the army of drooling npc's they courted with yas qween garbage for the remainder of the series - the types at that burlington bar or whatever it was called - all expected dany to become lord and queen of the universe because dumb and dumber played heroic music whenever she was burning people to death with her "i win" dragon button
both completely opposing audiences hated the show by the end, for different reasons
I would sooner voluntarily ingest cyanide than be subject to more HBO garbage. They killed Rome and they killed GoT all so they could appease specific idiot employees.
Rome season 2 was just ok. They need to entirely redo Rome but with all of the battles this time.
It was 4 seasons condensed into one, look it up. That's what we are angry about.
The show died with mr. White walker. It had already peaked in season 4 tbqh.
The characters became caricatures of themselves way before season 8. Anyone that thinks S8 was the breaking point is genuinely braindead.
The sad part is that if S8 had been some contrived happy ending the normies would have ate it up. Their own contention was that it didnt live up to their lame fantasies, not that the show had become a parody of itself that was written into an unescapable hole much further back.
If you liked this show after season 4 then you have an extremely low IQ, im sorry.
I enjoyed season 5 solely because of Ramsay.
I for one am shocked that israelite RR Martin, the Kosher approved next Tolkien, would say something like this and react so neurotically.
I would literally rather watch Lord of the Kangz than another season of Got and there is no way in hell I'm watching that.
You will watch Rings Of Power. And you will be happy.
GoT was kino, reddit is wrong
The only way to salvage ASOIAF is by having it animated. No Japanese, Koreans, or Chinese. Have them be Western animators with access to GRRM's notes and familiar with his writing style from his TV scripts and past novels. Animation is far cheaper than live-action and you can get away with a LOT more in action and expression.
It sucks, but this is pretty much the answer. They can make it as bloody as they want, as much nudity as possibly, the battles with tons of armor and horses as extravagent as possible, the castles huge and vast, etc. The desires/concerns of real actors plus expense of equipment, animals, locations, and such is just so extravagent for a tv show. But I also don't think it would have become so popular as an animation.
That will just end up being outsourced to Koreans anyway
>Have them be Western animators
You'd get calarts style animation. There is no talent in America anymore.
>animated
There would be a lot of filler in the second half, so sure.
>No Japanese, Koreans, or Chinese.
it would be even more pozzed than the tv show and purposefully ugly
According to the article there are three or four cartoons being made.
>Have them be Western animators
They will be Korean.
I don't understand why people keep pushing for this and I'm an animation gay. It would look like shit mainly because it won't move properly. It would either have limited animation or be cgi. In 15 years CGI might look better, but at the moment it looks like shit, and the movement isn't even that impressive right now which is one of the big reasons to do CGI. Shows with complex plots suck animated, because the visuals aren't done competently enough to let the viewer make sense of what is happening. It takes a lot of planning to make animation look right to the extent it can look decent and actually work. Then in terms of style anime shit won't work with game of thrones (they probably won't work hard at finding a style that would work), and then you'd have to be really deliberate in character design. Working out how to design that many characters in a way that looks right on screen (their clothing and skin color can't be out of tone with the background, it always has to look good regardless of the scene) and keeps their book description would be a nightmare. The scenes where characters are just sitting in a room talking would be scene of face talking, cut to other character's face talking, cut again to other character's face talking in animation where you can't show emotion. Animated voice acting is more over the top then regular acting, so you'd have to take that into consideration too.
stannis losing to 20 good men theb burning his daughter was THE shark jump moment. show was completely irredeemable after that
The only thing that i care now is if Ned fricked Ashara. Please Martin i need answers
Brandon hit that, not Ned
S8 deserves all the hate for what they did to my boy.
>Jon Snow defended the wall to hold off the wildlings despite insane odds.
>Proceeds to make peace with the wildlings and saves many of them by fighting the white walkers at Hardhomme
>Defeats Ramsay Bolton and wins the Battle of the Bastards despite being heavily outnumbered, reclaiming the North for the Starks
>Travels to Dragonstone to convince Daenerys to join their cause while mining Dragonglass that is the only defense against the undead
>Finds out he’s Aegon Targaryen and heir to the throne.
>Orchestrates the defense of Winterfell and successfully defends the castle against the undead.
>Helps keep his brother Bran alive
>Honors his pledge and rides to King’s Landing to support Daenerys
>Refuses to sleep with Daenerys because she’s his aunt
>Shows his disgust with Daenerys burning King’s Landing through a variety of facial expressions
>Decides to accommodate the requests of Tyrion, Sansa, Arya, Sam, and others by killing Daenerys and saving countless lives
>Held as prisoner and prevented from maintaining man-bun or keeping his beard fresh.
>Tyrion decides that instead of being a prisoner who is on death row, he will determine the next king and succession process while becoming hand of the king
>A committee consisting of his brother, two sisters, his best friend, a few Northmen who owe him their lives, and a woman who swears fealty to his house, decide he must be punished (despite all of them owing him their lives) and sent to the wall to join the Night’s Watch (which no longer exists), because a eunuch who has no authority thinks he should be punished.
>Above mentioned eunuch leaves King’s Landing forever, yet no one lets Jon off the hook
So despite being the heir to the throne, stopping a hot genocidal maniac, riding a dragon, winning every battle against impossible odds, saving everyone from certain death, Jon is relegated to putzing around in the snow north of the wall.