>Both Deadline Hollywood and Variety attributed the underperformance to competition from Jurassic World Dominion and Top Gun: Maverick, though ultimately noted it as a disappointment given the brand strength of both Pixar and the Toy Story franchise.[77][84] Los Angeles Times writer Ryan Faughnder believed that the film was at a disadvantage since as a spin-off film it did not have well known Toy Story characters such as Woody. He also noted that spin-offs tend to not gross as much as the main franchise installments, and compared the film to the spin off films Solo: A Star Wars Story and Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw.[85] Pamela McClintock of The Hollywood Reporter wrote that in addition to competition from Jurassic World Dominion and Top Gun: Maverick, the lackluster opening was attributed to brand confusion in the film's marketing.[86] McClintock, Martha Ross of The Mercury News, and The Washington Post's Sonny Bunch also questioned if the response from conservatives on social media over the decision to recast Tim Allen in the part was to blame for the film's underwhelming opening.[86][87][88] Other box office analysts believed family audiences might have not shown up to theaters after becoming accustomed to the availability of Pixar films at home after their three previous films, Soul, Luca, and Turning Red, were released directly to Disney+ during the pandemic.[84][89] Some box office analysts theorized that family audiences were reluctant to attend theaters in general due to COVID-19 concerns, although this was seemingly disproven after Minions: The Rise of Gru opened to $108 million in the U.S. and Canada two weeks later.
They are willing to blame anything but the obvious
>They never blame the "real" issue
This. Just like DisneyWars failure being attributed to "franchise fatigue" when the MCU was stealing their lunch at that time. Hell, since 2016's Ghostbuster's its been Standard Procedure to blame the fans.
>Los Angeles Times writer Ryan Faughnder believed that the film was at a disadvantage since as a spin-off film it did not have well known Toy Story characters such as Woody.
Buzz is one of the other well-known characters from Toy Story, so that's not it either.
Permanently online morons will claim it's because of politics or some shit but let's be real everyone's just tired of Pixar bullshit.
6 good movies have been carrying them for 20 years and people have been coming back to see if they can still make a good movie and just now finally gave up on them.
There's more than one reason and yes, the politics of Disney's Board of Directors are on the list.
>The Washington Post's Sonny Bunch also questioned if the response from conservatives on social media over the decision to recast Tim Allen in the part was to blame for the film's underwhelming opening.[86][87][88]
Uh.
Like all things woke, it's deception. They know but pretend not to because they can't admit people don't like woke shit.
A corporation could make big bank with non-pozzed content (see homogenous squidgames and Top Gun) because there is virtually no competition, but I'm doubtful given who runs Hollywood and their incentives
They might just be so far up their ass, living around and working with lots of gay people all the time, that they don't realize the reaction a lot of other people don't have. They'll convince themselves that cities are bastions of left thinking but nearly 40%-50% of any city also leans more conservative than liberal.
>Families may have been reluctant to go to the theater because Le Covid, thats why Lightyear failed >Top Gun Maverick and JPD make well over 500M each
Fricking Journos
Probably doesn't help their narrative that minions made a billion dollars but again let's ignore the woke elephant in the room and shit talk people for pointing it out
Buzz being totally out of character as the pastiche the Toy believes himself to be sunk the movie.
If Lightyear were actually a cheesy Flash Gordony romp that 1995 Andy would've loved then it would have made a billion.
>cheesy Flash Gordony romp
That's literally all this needed to be. If it also had Tim Allen this would have been a slam dunk. Now we get to see Pixar get its ass kicked by Illumination of all things.
And that's why I hated this movie. It started off with Buzz acting like his usual self and then the quirky lesbian chimes in "yOu KnOw NoBoDy AcTuAlLY LiStEnS, RIGHT? :^)" and he turns into a boring protagonist.
It's fricking bullshit how often this happens in movies where you can't even be earnestly cheesy or campy without someone calling it out. Ruins the fricking immersion so much.
Didn’t watch it, but if that’s seriously what happens, no wonder it fricking failed. Who wants to watch a Buzz Lightyear movie that isn’t campy and fun? He’s a comedic character from a 90’s franchise.
Not that it would have been successful; look at Solo: A Star Wars Story as an analogue (an unnecessary spinoff of a recast character who never needed extra explanation). But Jesus, even if you’re not going to be successful, can’t you at least be fun?
So much copium to get around admitting >Didn't cut gay shit, so China blocked the release there >Openly insulted domestic audience, so nobody went to see it here
Is not liking iconic characters being recast a purely conservative view I don't really mind myself, same thing happened with the TV show and it works in universe because tie in toys always have a cheap knock-off VA, but I can sympathize with the viewpoint.
It was less the fact that the kiss happened and more the fact that it was literally the only part of the movie the public heard of throughout the buildup to release >Outrage as Disney remove gay kiss! >Disney employees get gay kiss put back in! >Over a dozen countries ban Lightyear for gay kiss! >Chris Evans BLASTS those who hate gay kiss!
It basically ended up marketed as 'the gay kiss' movie whether Disney liked it or not.
It definitely contributed but it's not the sole reason. The main reason it flopped was just because it was a stupid concept that confused people. The movie flat out shouldn't exist at all
>Does not shut up about this fricking kiss for a solid month >Every news article about this movie from the media Disney OWNS is about this and literally nothing about the plot or anything you'd want to watch >Base your entire greater marketing campaign on this one second kiss that totally doesn't matter guys it's just OUR MEDIA who push it so hard that if you google showtimes you have to scroll through a glut of news stories about this fricking kiss
At the very least this proved that the market for people who want to see lesbians kiss in a kids movie is very niche.
>underperformance to competition from Franchise film and Franchise Film >disappointment given the brand strength of both brand and the franchise. >spin-off film it did not have well known brand character >spin-offs tend to not gross as much as the main franchise installments
frick, this is just corpo talk, they don't even care if the film is good or not, they don't talk about the film itself, but brands and franchises.
>is the movie just not good? >No its the competition from other movies fault!
Have then even -really- been the case? sure they can bleed but saying it as a given for a flop is just sad
>if the response from conservatives on social media over the decision to recast Tim Allen in the part was to blame for the film's underwhelming opening.
Not bringing back Tim Allen might have actually hurt the film's success, but not because conservatives were butthurt about "cancel culture" blacklisting a Twitter boomer who is still working with Disney (on a Santa Clause show). It's much more simple. People liked the voice of Buzz Lightyear they had been enjoying for decades, and when you give him a completely new voice, it makes him seem like a new character.
Which he is. Buzz's appeal wasn't that he was a space ranger, it was that he was a deluded toy who thought he was a space ranger. A straight (no pun attended) sci-fi adventure with none of the goofy fun of him being a toy doesn't hit the exact same appeal.
>all this over thinking about general movie audiences
It just looked like a bland boring buzz lightyear movie. People will ignore all of that and go to a movie they think looks good. This didn't. End of story.
yall are spending more time talking about the movie than most people would spend to watch it, but don't let me interrupt your hyper fixations. Keep on spergin'
yes, we spend time discussing television and film on the television and film board, and yes barely any one spent any time watching it, that's why it's such a spectacularly costly blunder that lost billions. cope.
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Then why isn't anyone discussing actual marketing or the movie itself instead of hinging on their persecution complex? Elvis bombed too, it's almost like... people wanna watch movies about jets and dinosaurs more than singers and cartoon spacemen. Occams razor your spergs, this isn't a puzzle, it's pretty simple.
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because it bombed due to gay Black person shit, so that's what we're talking about while you're busy coping over it
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Why did elvis bomb then?
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because he was a pedophile.
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she was 16 it's fine
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I guess I never looked too deeply into it but I always heard she was 14.
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then you should be more upset that when you got representation it wasn't flocked to.
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Because it had nothing to do with Elvis and was just a movie shaming America and pushing history-revisionist Trans kids/BLM contemporary political shit?
Haven't seen this and I only saw one episode of Star Command when I was a kid, but I've gotten the impression that the movie sort of neuters Buzz/makes him less impressive than his sidekicks? That would be contrary to the whole image. In Toy Story, the character Buzz the toy is based on is clearly every bit as heroic and competent as Buzz thinks he is.
It makes sense though. A high brow kids show like Lightyear is more geared towards parents that are rightfully scared of their children contracting COVID-19. Minions, on the other hand, is targeted at women with 5 kids who occasionally ends up at the battered woman shelter after their forklift driving husband had "just a little too much to drink", but she always comes back to him anyway since he does pay the Trailer lot fee and provides a roof for all those little future Trump voters that are running around screaming and pissing and shitting all over each other who are then dragged to go see Minions so that their parents can ditch them in the theater before they go back to the car for some disgusting hick sex so they can pump out another runt that will go see the Minions next movie.
Permanently online morons will claim it's because of politics or some shit but let's be real everyone's just tired of Pixar bullshit.
6 good movies have been carrying them for 20 years and people have been coming back to see if they can still make a good movie and just now finally gave up on them.
the movie looked like shit, pixar sucks ass now, the premise is lame and confusing.
plus the woke stuff did put off a lot of parents. the truth is, only a small subset of liberals actually want their kids being gay and exposed to that crap.
Being more known for a half second lesbian kiss than for telling a good story about a space ranger fighting an evil emperor does seem like part of the reason it failed.
It failed because literally no one asked for it and the premise was moronic. Who wanted to watch a movie about the movie Andy watched that made him like Buzz Lightyear? More to the point, it’s a fictional mid-nineties film that feels nothing like a nineties film would. It’s a humourless, unenjoyable and boring film that no actual child in the nineties would have enjoyed anyway
>Who wanted to watch a movie about the movie Andy watched that made him like Buzz Lightyear?
If it was a tongue in cheek cheesey 90s sci fi action spoof with Tim Allen voicing Buzz i might go watch it.
Stfu, moron. Nobody asked for another Minions movie either yet I have no doubt it will do well.
Lightyear was banned in large parts of the world. It never had a chance to begin with because they needed to shoehorn their homosexualry into it.
It doesn't matter. You could only know that if you watched the movie which hundreds of millions of people won't simply because they have two gays kissing.
The Good Dinosaur is good, anyone saying otherwise is a literal pedophile child grooming troon.
Completely unpozzed, unpoliticized, decent dino kids movie.
>Permanently online morons
hardly anyone outside of boomers watch TV anymore. all normalgays use the internet now, and news like this will inevitably reach most of them in some capacity.
There's no way it costs 200m to make an animated movie and there's no way it costs another 400m to market it. This movie has probably already made a profit.
Studios don’t keep 100% of box office. They get the highest percentage first week or two, then it goes down dramatically. So no, it’s not close to profitable yet.
Disney usually forces theaters to give up 60%. Even with that taken into consideration, the movie still isn't close to being profitable.
International box offices take a higher percentage of the receipts as well. The investment on Lightyear is completely fricked, but as
>Pixar will be shut down in your lifetime & they'll be assimilated into Disney Animation.
This was the plan all along. They haven't put out a good movie since 2015 and I'm sure that Disney is responsible for this sabotage.
stated, Disney wants Pixar dead. Something like this is a perfect pretext for its liquidation.
Marketing is usually double the budget and as some other anon said: the production company doesn't get near 100% of the box office revenue. There are also various taxes that are applied to various revenue streams. This movie has to make at least 300 million to be profitable. 600 million seems high but it could be up there (I'd guess 350 once all things are considered).
>>Only 11 million
Fricking moron. Only the BASE BUDGET is $200M, but you neglect to add on the hidden costs: >marketing >advertisements >merchandise >licensing to theaters >voice-actors, animators, artists, and other filmmakers getting a cut
The real sunk cost is likely around $500M - $600M and then some. It will NOT get there. It flopped completely. >B-but it'll make its money back on Disney+!!!
No it won't. Corporations never truly profit off their streaming services in the long term. Pixar will be shut down in your lifetime & they'll be assimilated into Disney Animation.
>Pixar will be shut down in your lifetime & they'll be assimilated into Disney Animation.
This was the plan all along. They haven't put out a good movie since 2015 and I'm sure that Disney is responsible for this sabotage.
According to Grace Randolph big movies like this have a marketing budget that is just as much as the production budget, so these movies basically have to make twice their budget in order to be considered successful.
What does the marketing budget go to other than printing some posters? 30 years ago I could understand needing a big budget for that, but nowadays 99% of the population finds out about movies through the internet.
I assume a chunk of it is attempts at viral marketing. Instagram was FLOODED with Baby Yoda memes when The Madalorian came out. Same with Season 2 of Euphoria. In fact, I know people who only watched Euphoria to keep up with the memes.
There’s no way all of this is completely organic. Not with hundreds of millions in potential earnings on the line. There’s no way major studios don’t work with Meta to get their content to go “viral”. The problem is that the marketing departments are run by fat frick baby boomers and out-of-touch millennials with useless degrees, so they don’t really know what works.
I can believe that baby yoda was organic and then disney went and pushed it harder, but I only see euphoria for bait threads here, but also I don't use instagram or tictok and the like.
Everyone's talking about how the movie essentially needs to double its budget in gross to break even, what with marketing costs and the theater's cuts and all that, but you're neglecting the biggest reason that this is a flop: major media companies like Disney don't just want to "break even", they want to at LEAST double their investment, or it's a failure. For a Disney movie starring a major Disney character to not hit that mark is a flop, and will frick over their investors, and that's one thing. But it's quite another for it to not even break even with its stated budget. That's borderline inconceivable, and you can absolutely bet that Disney execs are pulling their hair out screaming bloody murder at this very moment because of it. Think about TFA with its $300 million budget. You'd better believe that if it didn't at least hit a billion there would have been heads rolling. Now imagine that a 25 year old character that every single kid in America knows and loves gets his own solo movie, and it flops as hard as it can possibly flop in the eyes of the accountants because of the terrible decisions made very step of the way. This film will be memory holed within the year. It'll go the way of the Black Cauldron. Disney would have to be idiots of monumental proportions to double down on this, rather than just cutting their losses and pretending it never happened.
>it'll go the way of the Black Cauldron
Enlighten me, o wizened one. I know The Black Cauldron was a somewhat offbrand cartoon adventure, but I never got the controversy around it
It just performed terribly for various reasons. When Disney saw the way the wind was blowing, they elected to never bring it up again in public conversation, effectively making it a persona non grata among their film library. It generally serves as a reminder that the famed Disney "quality" stamp of approval is nothing more than a retroactive selection of what worked, and a damnation of what didn't.
Clearly the problem is that it wasn't woke enough. Buzz is a white male and that's problematic. Maybe next time they'll learn and make him a black lesbian in wheelchair.
clearly there weren't enough gay kisses. If Disney wants to turn a profit they need to have at least 1 gay kiss every 20 minutes, and not a little peck like when you kiss your hot cousin, there needs to be tongue, and you need to hear the tongue in Dolby 5.1 surround sound. Then Pixar is breaking $1 billion at the box office.
you do realize that most people ironically support lgbtq ironically to fit in socially out of fear but naturally are reppeled by this shit, its inorganically horrifying or at least offputting
Considering they were never gonna cast a conservative like Tim Allen in current year, going with Warburton as Buzz would have been the next best choice logically.
It's laughable that Disney think Evans is a box office draw outside of the MCU. Same goes for all the Hemsworth non-Avengers films that flop.
I suspect Warburton might be a crypto-conservative himself. He's a Christian who says he won't participate in Family Guy jokes if they get too sacrilegious for his taste, and he even did a movie produced by Rick Santorum.
No shit. Minions made more in 3 days than Lightyear made in 3 weeks. Pushing woke crap pushes the audiences away. Responding to audiences walking away by attacking them drives even more people away.
It's obvious they have an agenda to push. The suits would have stopped producing woke shit by the third flop. Instead they have been going at this for a decade now, burning money until the propaganda sticks.
uh-oh stinky, that's a big ole bigotry you just committed. Time to check into the liberal newspeak center for education so that you'd KNOW that gay isn't a PREFENCE it's an ingrained GENETIC freedom. You disgusting bigot.
The internet exposed a lot of degeneracy that people were unaware of. 10 years ago this would have been celebrated, we are regressing thanks to Eastern countries like Slavs, Chinks and Mudslimes trying to pit us Americans against each other.
As a kid I would have thought this was awesome and I liked the Buzz Lightyear cartoon. But for one, I don't think kids today don't give a shit about toy story. And it seems most parents actually don't want to expose their kids to gay propaganda
The problem with Lightyear is they tried to appeal to both chuds and woke people by having a white male protagonist with all the black lesbians upstaging him in every scene. When they go full woke like with Turning Red they are much more successful.
The gay shit is even funnier when you remember that the in-universe story is that THIS is the movie Andy watched that inspired him to get a Buzz Lightyear toy.
Like we're supposed to believe that children's movies had lesbian astronauts in the mid 90s.
Who was the movie for? Adults that watched Toy Story and somehow thought this deserved a serious take? That can't be a huge demographic.
The commercials looked like they wanted some serious plot about a cartoon character. Parents don't take their kids to that. Parents take their kids to Spongebob and frozen. Parents are not looking for quality films, they want babysitters that will help them pick Christmas presents later.
Oh, does this movie feature a gay kiss? I hadn't heard. For you see, I have been in a cave on Mars for the last six months with my fingers in my ears and my eyes shut.
its the only thing that I EVER hear about the movie, why would I want to watch a movie when every piece of marketing and discussion is about a gay kiss that lasts 1 second, I have no idea what its about other than its probably buzz vs zerg or whatever his name is.
>The last 4 (?) Pixar movies have flopped though it was arguable because they also had Disney+ releases.
The 3 before Lightyear ONLY had Disney+ releases except in countries that don't have Disney+. That's the funniest part of all of this, they clearly held Lightyear back as a concept through the pandemic because they thought it was a guaranteed hit that they could put out as their first big post-covid hit.
they didnt fired him cause he was conservative ( disney keeps inviting Allen to reunions of old properties and shit, also planning to put him in new stuff) they recasted him cause >"We need le epic cap to bring in audiences"
Without thinking about the fact that he cant voice act for shit and the voice acting from Tim was a big reason of the success of the character
>Budget 200 million
Why would it cost this much? Animators and artists get paid basically nothing. Does it go to the voice actors? Who are doing less than half the work they normally do in a live action movie?
For me, it was no Tim Allen. The gay shit just cemented me not taking my child to it. Yes it was a blink and you'll miss it kiss, but that's how it starts and it becomes worse and worse.
>make gay Black person woman propaganda piece >it bombs >make movie that's not gay Black person woman propaganda piece >it's a hit
nature is healing, there's nothing to be concerned about
The movie just looked gay and like it would suck. It looked like they were trying to make some kind of pure action flick out of Toy Story instead of it just being some goofy yawn with autistic, overconfident Buzz doing a bunch of gaffes
Sodomite comes from the story in the bible in which God destroyed Sodom and Gomorroa because they were full of degenerates and sinners. So it still applies.
>Dr strange had lesbians too and that didn’t fail
it wasn't advertised like that also it had no plot relevance and was a moronic scene and funny as frick if think about it
Some lesbians love journey over some decades of space/time shannanigans, and Buzz Light-year becomes evil and has to stop himself.
Just some creepy bullshit made to sexually molest children via media.
if you couldn't tell by the random injection of cute animal as if they did studies on what will boost ratings of a movie, you should've seen this coming.
>Hey kids, do you want to see a standalone Buzz Lightyear movie?
Yeah! >And do you want to see Buzz portrayed as an overconfident and incompetent idiot who needs to be constantly saved and protected by a bunch of diversity hires?
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>Both Deadline Hollywood and Variety attributed the underperformance to competition from Jurassic World Dominion and Top Gun: Maverick, though ultimately noted it as a disappointment given the brand strength of both Pixar and the Toy Story franchise.[77][84] Los Angeles Times writer Ryan Faughnder believed that the film was at a disadvantage since as a spin-off film it did not have well known Toy Story characters such as Woody. He also noted that spin-offs tend to not gross as much as the main franchise installments, and compared the film to the spin off films Solo: A Star Wars Story and Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw.[85] Pamela McClintock of The Hollywood Reporter wrote that in addition to competition from Jurassic World Dominion and Top Gun: Maverick, the lackluster opening was attributed to brand confusion in the film's marketing.[86] McClintock, Martha Ross of The Mercury News, and The Washington Post's Sonny Bunch also questioned if the response from conservatives on social media over the decision to recast Tim Allen in the part was to blame for the film's underwhelming opening.[86][87][88] Other box office analysts believed family audiences might have not shown up to theaters after becoming accustomed to the availability of Pixar films at home after their three previous films, Soul, Luca, and Turning Red, were released directly to Disney+ during the pandemic.[84][89] Some box office analysts theorized that family audiences were reluctant to attend theaters in general due to COVID-19 concerns, although this was seemingly disproven after Minions: The Rise of Gru opened to $108 million in the U.S. and Canada two weeks later.
They are willing to blame anything but the obvious
They never blame the "real" issue
>They never blame the "real" issue
This. Just like DisneyWars failure being attributed to "franchise fatigue" when the MCU was stealing their lunch at that time. Hell, since 2016's Ghostbuster's its been Standard Procedure to blame the fans.
>Los Angeles Times writer Ryan Faughnder believed that the film was at a disadvantage since as a spin-off film it did not have well known Toy Story characters such as Woody.
Buzz is one of the other well-known characters from Toy Story, so that's not it either.
There's more than one reason and yes, the politics of Disney's Board of Directors are on the list.
>The Washington Post's Sonny Bunch also questioned if the response from conservatives on social media over the decision to recast Tim Allen in the part was to blame for the film's underwhelming opening.[86][87][88]
Uh.
Yes, the millions upon millions of Tim Allen fans out there.
Do you think they know but don't want to admit it or is their head so far up their own ass they legit don't know why it failed?
Like all things woke, it's deception. They know but pretend not to because they can't admit people don't like woke shit.
A corporation could make big bank with non-pozzed content (see homogenous squidgames and Top Gun) because there is virtually no competition, but I'm doubtful given who runs Hollywood and their incentives
They might just be so far up their ass, living around and working with lots of gay people all the time, that they don't realize the reaction a lot of other people don't have. They'll convince themselves that cities are bastions of left thinking but nearly 40%-50% of any city also leans more conservative than liberal.
>Families may have been reluctant to go to the theater because Le Covid, thats why Lightyear failed
>Top Gun Maverick and JPD make well over 500M each
Fricking Journos
>Competition from Top Gun
Which had been out for over a month when Lightyear was released and it was still beating Lightyear daily.
Probably doesn't help their narrative that minions made a billion dollars but again let's ignore the woke elephant in the room and shit talk people for pointing it out
I blame the fact that woman is full of Black folk and lesbians I don't see how it can get any worse maybe thrown in some homosexuals too lmao
>The Chicago Tribune attributed the poor performance to "climate change" [91] as the film opened during a period of nationwide heat advisories
Wouldn't that be more reason to go to an air conditioned movie theater?
They just can't stop themselves for even one second lol
Buzz being totally out of character as the pastiche the Toy believes himself to be sunk the movie.
If Lightyear were actually a cheesy Flash Gordony romp that 1995 Andy would've loved then it would have made a billion.
You'd have to watch the movie for that.
>cheesy Flash Gordony romp
That's literally all this needed to be. If it also had Tim Allen this would have been a slam dunk. Now we get to see Pixar get its ass kicked by Illumination of all things.
He starts as that, then the strong black lesbian tells his to drop that shit and he does
And that tells me all I need to know about the writers.
And that's why I hated this movie. It started off with Buzz acting like his usual self and then the quirky lesbian chimes in "yOu KnOw NoBoDy AcTuAlLY LiStEnS, RIGHT? :^)" and he turns into a boring protagonist.
It's fricking bullshit how often this happens in movies where you can't even be earnestly cheesy or campy without someone calling it out. Ruins the fricking immersion so much.
Didn’t watch it, but if that’s seriously what happens, no wonder it fricking failed. Who wants to watch a Buzz Lightyear movie that isn’t campy and fun? He’s a comedic character from a 90’s franchise.
Not that it would have been successful; look at Solo: A Star Wars Story as an analogue (an unnecessary spinoff of a recast character who never needed extra explanation). But Jesus, even if you’re not going to be successful, can’t you at least be fun?
Absolutely fricking nailed it.
lasseter chads...we won...
He's making a new movie with Brad Bird on board now, pretty hyped ngl.
So much copium to get around admitting
>Didn't cut gay shit, so China blocked the release there
>Openly insulted domestic audience, so nobody went to see it here
Is not liking iconic characters being recast a purely conservative view I don't really mind myself, same thing happened with the TV show and it works in universe because tie in toys always have a cheap knock-off VA, but I can sympathize with the viewpoint.
you people are fricking dumb as shit if you think this movie flopped because of a minor kiss that lasts 1 second
>make a movie for kids
>put graphic sexual content in it
>be surprised when parents don't take their children to it
Many such cases.
>kiss
>"graphic content"
ok pedo
It was less the fact that the kiss happened and more the fact that it was literally the only part of the movie the public heard of throughout the buildup to release
>Outrage as Disney remove gay kiss!
>Disney employees get gay kiss put back in!
>Over a dozen countries ban Lightyear for gay kiss!
>Chris Evans BLASTS those who hate gay kiss!
It basically ended up marketed as 'the gay kiss' movie whether Disney liked it or not.
It definitely contributed but it's not the sole reason. The main reason it flopped was just because it was a stupid concept that confused people. The movie flat out shouldn't exist at all
>Does not shut up about this fricking kiss for a solid month
>Every news article about this movie from the media Disney OWNS is about this and literally nothing about the plot or anything you'd want to watch
>Base your entire greater marketing campaign on this one second kiss that totally doesn't matter guys it's just OUR MEDIA who push it so hard that if you google showtimes you have to scroll through a glut of news stories about this fricking kiss
At the very least this proved that the market for people who want to see lesbians kiss in a kids movie is very niche.
that was just a symptom of the movie's direction, dumbass.
20 cents has been deposited into your account
>underperformance to competition from Franchise film and Franchise Film
>disappointment given the brand strength of both brand and the franchise.
>spin-off film it did not have well known brand character
>spin-offs tend to not gross as much as the main franchise installments
frick, this is just corpo talk, they don't even care if the film is good or not, they don't talk about the film itself, but brands and franchises.
>is the movie just not good?
>No its the competition from other movies fault!
Have then even -really- been the case? sure they can bleed but saying it as a given for a flop is just sad
>if the response from conservatives on social media over the decision to recast Tim Allen in the part was to blame for the film's underwhelming opening.
Not bringing back Tim Allen might have actually hurt the film's success, but not because conservatives were butthurt about "cancel culture" blacklisting a Twitter boomer who is still working with Disney (on a Santa Clause show). It's much more simple. People liked the voice of Buzz Lightyear they had been enjoying for decades, and when you give him a completely new voice, it makes him seem like a new character.
Which he is. Buzz's appeal wasn't that he was a space ranger, it was that he was a deluded toy who thought he was a space ranger. A straight (no pun attended) sci-fi adventure with none of the goofy fun of him being a toy doesn't hit the exact same appeal.
If you want more reasons, including the obvious, I broke it down in a past thread.
TL,DR: even a lot of hardcore Disney fans wanted this to fail
TOO BIG TO FAIL
>all this over thinking about general movie audiences
It just looked like a bland boring buzz lightyear movie. People will ignore all of that and go to a movie they think looks good. This didn't. End of story.
cope
yall are spending more time talking about the movie than most people would spend to watch it, but don't let me interrupt your hyper fixations. Keep on spergin'
yes, we spend time discussing television and film on the television and film board, and yes barely any one spent any time watching it, that's why it's such a spectacularly costly blunder that lost billions. cope.
Then why isn't anyone discussing actual marketing or the movie itself instead of hinging on their persecution complex? Elvis bombed too, it's almost like... people wanna watch movies about jets and dinosaurs more than singers and cartoon spacemen. Occams razor your spergs, this isn't a puzzle, it's pretty simple.
because it bombed due to gay Black person shit, so that's what we're talking about while you're busy coping over it
Why did elvis bomb then?
because he was a pedophile.
she was 16 it's fine
I guess I never looked too deeply into it but I always heard she was 14.
then you should be more upset that when you got representation it wasn't flocked to.
Because it had nothing to do with Elvis and was just a movie shaming America and pushing history-revisionist Trans kids/BLM contemporary political shit?
If it was anything like "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" I might've actually watched it.
Haven't seen this and I only saw one episode of Star Command when I was a kid, but I've gotten the impression that the movie sort of neuters Buzz/makes him less impressive than his sidekicks? That would be contrary to the whole image. In Toy Story, the character Buzz the toy is based on is clearly every bit as heroic and competent as Buzz thinks he is.
>disappointment given the brand strength
fricking minions, destroying the narrative. no wonder there's so much hate
It makes sense though. A high brow kids show like Lightyear is more geared towards parents that are rightfully scared of their children contracting COVID-19. Minions, on the other hand, is targeted at women with 5 kids who occasionally ends up at the battered woman shelter after their forklift driving husband had "just a little too much to drink", but she always comes back to him anyway since he does pay the Trailer lot fee and provides a roof for all those little future Trump voters that are running around screaming and pissing and shitting all over each other who are then dragged to go see Minions so that their parents can ditch them in the theater before they go back to the car for some disgusting hick sex so they can pump out another runt that will go see the Minions next movie.
Typical.
extremely high effort bait, the most pathetic kind
the pajeet looks like a fricking subhuman
Guaranteed he's only part of the friend group because one of the white dudes is shagging his sister.
I dont understand this meme wtf are zoomers doing with this movie?
>the Cinemaphile meetup
>brand strength
god I fricking hate the media
still made more money than the northman lol
big shrug
Who?
The israelites will be mad
NO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING. BAN THAT FRICKING GRU MOVIE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS WHITE SUPREMACY. THIS IS FASCISM. BERNIEEE HELLLLLLP
catchy tune anon, added to my spotify playlist
It's actually much worse than those numbers suggest since Disney buys a shitload of their own tickets
Permanently online morons will claim it's because of politics or some shit but let's be real everyone's just tired of Pixar bullshit.
6 good movies have been carrying them for 20 years and people have been coming back to see if they can still make a good movie and just now finally gave up on them.
cope
>gets banned in China
>gets banned in Saudi Arabia
yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the very thing it was banned for, moron.
Not just those two.
Based 14 countries.
14 countries, 88 cinemas.
That's not even counting all of the countries that raised the age limit to watch it.
>Buzz Lightyear?
the movie looked like shit, pixar sucks ass now, the premise is lame and confusing.
plus the woke stuff did put off a lot of parents. the truth is, only a small subset of liberals actually want their kids being gay and exposed to that crap.
Being more known for a half second lesbian kiss than for telling a good story about a space ranger fighting an evil emperor does seem like part of the reason it failed.
It failed because literally no one asked for it and the premise was moronic. Who wanted to watch a movie about the movie Andy watched that made him like Buzz Lightyear? More to the point, it’s a fictional mid-nineties film that feels nothing like a nineties film would. It’s a humourless, unenjoyable and boring film that no actual child in the nineties would have enjoyed anyway
>Who wanted to watch a movie about the movie Andy watched that made him like Buzz Lightyear?
If it was a tongue in cheek cheesey 90s sci fi action spoof with Tim Allen voicing Buzz i might go watch it.
Stfu, moron. Nobody asked for another Minions movie either yet I have no doubt it will do well.
Lightyear was banned in large parts of the world. It never had a chance to begin with because they needed to shoehorn their homosexualry into it.
But is it a good movie anon?
Of course not. Pixar hasn't made a good movie in a decade
Not since The Good Kinosaur
It doesn't matter. You could only know that if you watched the movie which hundreds of millions of people won't simply because they have two gays kissing.
Regarding Pixar films, I stopped at Toy Story 3, with Up being the only omission. Anything after that worth the time?
coco and soul are alright
Don't listen to this pedophile
The Good Dinosaur is good, anyone saying otherwise is a literal pedophile child grooming troon.
Completely unpozzed, unpoliticized, decent dino kids movie.
>Permanently online morons
hardly anyone outside of boomers watch TV anymore. all normalgays use the internet now, and news like this will inevitably reach most of them in some capacity.
>Only 11 million to break even.
It'll get there.
You gonna need a better bait
That doesn't include the marketing budget, moron.
that budget doesn't include marketing
>every movie loses money
Not quite. Not all movies spend about the budget of the movie on marketing, but Pixar movies easily will.
Breakeven on a $200m production budget is $600m at the box office at least.
There's no way it costs 200m to make an animated movie and there's no way it costs another 400m to market it. This movie has probably already made a profit.
Studios don’t keep 100% of box office. They get the highest percentage first week or two, then it goes down dramatically. So no, it’s not close to profitable yet.
Movie theaters take half of the total box office receipts. Even if they didn't market the movie at all, $400m would be the breakeven.
Disney usually forces theaters to give up 60%. Even with that taken into consideration, the movie still isn't close to being profitable.
International box offices take a higher percentage of the receipts as well. The investment on Lightyear is completely fricked, but as
stated, Disney wants Pixar dead. Something like this is a perfect pretext for its liquidation.
Marketing is usually double the budget and as some other anon said: the production company doesn't get near 100% of the box office revenue. There are also various taxes that are applied to various revenue streams. This movie has to make at least 300 million to be profitable. 600 million seems high but it could be up there (I'd guess 350 once all things are considered).
(And I'll admit that's a very conservative estimate).
350-400 seems about the correct range. Either way, this movie was a fricking stinker for Yidsney
No, 350 mil - 400 mil.
>>Only 11 million
Fricking moron. Only the BASE BUDGET is $200M, but you neglect to add on the hidden costs:
>marketing
>advertisements
>merchandise
>licensing to theaters
>voice-actors, animators, artists, and other filmmakers getting a cut
The real sunk cost is likely around $500M - $600M and then some. It will NOT get there. It flopped completely.
>B-but it'll make its money back on Disney+!!!
No it won't. Corporations never truly profit off their streaming services in the long term. Pixar will be shut down in your lifetime & they'll be assimilated into Disney Animation.
>Pixar will be shut down in your lifetime & they'll be assimilated into Disney Animation.
This was the plan all along. They haven't put out a good movie since 2015 and I'm sure that Disney is responsible for this sabotage.
>They haven't put out a good movie since 2015
Coco was arguably their last ounce of the old Pixar effort, despite how saccharine it was.
It's certainly debatable when they last put out something that was worth a shit, but Disney's intention for Pixar is obvious.
>2015
Tastelet, try 2008
that would still be a flop my nigha
The rule of thumb is you need to make at least double the budget to break even.
This, you have to consider opportunity cost as well
tr00ns are moronic
This.
>dUdE yOU HavE tO fActOr MaRKettO
marketing a movie takes next to nothing these days you morons
disney tr00ns cope
According to Grace Randolph big movies like this have a marketing budget that is just as much as the production budget, so these movies basically have to make twice their budget in order to be considered successful.
What does the marketing budget go to other than printing some posters? 30 years ago I could understand needing a big budget for that, but nowadays 99% of the population finds out about movies through the internet.
I assume a chunk of it is attempts at viral marketing. Instagram was FLOODED with Baby Yoda memes when The Madalorian came out. Same with Season 2 of Euphoria. In fact, I know people who only watched Euphoria to keep up with the memes.
There’s no way all of this is completely organic. Not with hundreds of millions in potential earnings on the line. There’s no way major studios don’t work with Meta to get their content to go “viral”. The problem is that the marketing departments are run by fat frick baby boomers and out-of-touch millennials with useless degrees, so they don’t really know what works.
I can believe that baby yoda was organic and then disney went and pushed it harder, but I only see euphoria for bait threads here, but also I don't use instagram or tictok and the like.
I’m sure they wanted to spend 200 million so they could make a 1 dollar profit.
>implies box offices worldwide get 0% of the gross
decent bait
Everyone's talking about how the movie essentially needs to double its budget in gross to break even, what with marketing costs and the theater's cuts and all that, but you're neglecting the biggest reason that this is a flop: major media companies like Disney don't just want to "break even", they want to at LEAST double their investment, or it's a failure. For a Disney movie starring a major Disney character to not hit that mark is a flop, and will frick over their investors, and that's one thing. But it's quite another for it to not even break even with its stated budget. That's borderline inconceivable, and you can absolutely bet that Disney execs are pulling their hair out screaming bloody murder at this very moment because of it. Think about TFA with its $300 million budget. You'd better believe that if it didn't at least hit a billion there would have been heads rolling. Now imagine that a 25 year old character that every single kid in America knows and loves gets his own solo movie, and it flops as hard as it can possibly flop in the eyes of the accountants because of the terrible decisions made very step of the way. This film will be memory holed within the year. It'll go the way of the Black Cauldron. Disney would have to be idiots of monumental proportions to double down on this, rather than just cutting their losses and pretending it never happened.
>it'll go the way of the Black Cauldron
Enlighten me, o wizened one. I know The Black Cauldron was a somewhat offbrand cartoon adventure, but I never got the controversy around it
I dug it. In that neat 70s/80s sword and sorcery stretch that included Legend and Ralph Bakshi.
It just performed terribly for various reasons. When Disney saw the way the wind was blowing, they elected to never bring it up again in public conversation, effectively making it a persona non grata among their film library. It generally serves as a reminder that the famed Disney "quality" stamp of approval is nothing more than a retroactive selection of what worked, and a damnation of what didn't.
trans kids sisters.. there's hope!
Hugo flopped despite making its budget back
You want 2*budget for a real break-even film
This. It’ll take less than a week you morons
>troony commie doesn't understand how the industry works
it simply doesn't look interesting
incels and hackers has nothing to do with it
cope
IT WASNT WOKE ENOUGH!!!
this, if they go full woke it will be funny satire and go full circle
I'm surprised they didn't use the excuse that no one wants to see a straight white male protagonist
Clearly the problem is that it wasn't woke enough. Buzz is a white male and that's problematic. Maybe next time they'll learn and make him a black lesbian in wheelchair.
Go woke
Go broke
clearly there weren't enough gay kisses. If Disney wants to turn a profit they need to have at least 1 gay kiss every 20 minutes, and not a little peck like when you kiss your hot cousin, there needs to be tongue, and you need to hear the tongue in Dolby 5.1 surround sound. Then Pixar is breaking $1 billion at the box office.
reminder that Morbius technically fared better than this movie
you do realize that most people ironically support lgbtq ironically to fit in socially out of fear but naturally are reppeled by this shit, its inorganically horrifying or at least offputting
Watch real kino instead.
wasting time talking about this trash that apparently no one watched is bothersome, this anon is right go back and watch some fricking toons man
>no one watched
wrong
Considering they were never gonna cast a conservative like Tim Allen in current year, going with Warburton as Buzz would have been the next best choice logically.
It's laughable that Disney think Evans is a box office draw outside of the MCU. Same goes for all the Hemsworth non-Avengers films that flop.
I suspect Warburton might be a crypto-conservative himself. He's a Christian who says he won't participate in Family Guy jokes if they get too sacrilegious for his taste, and he even did a movie produced by Rick Santorum.
I hated this show when it came out because it wasn't cg like the toy story movies
No shit. Minions made more in 3 days than Lightyear made in 3 weeks. Pushing woke crap pushes the audiences away. Responding to audiences walking away by attacking them drives even more people away.
It's obvious they have an agenda to push. The suits would have stopped producing woke shit by the third flop. Instead they have been going at this for a decade now, burning money until the propaganda sticks.
GET WOKE GO BROKE
It was supposed to flop.
Everything that you once held dear will be destroyed and you will watch it being destroyed
>The Northman bombs
>Lightyear bombs
Both were trad and woke. There is no narrative here
Maverick made a billion dollars despite being a plane movie.
Stop making shit films, problem solved.
I'm out of the loop. Why would Lightyear fail?
No spoonfeeding redditBlack person
Lesbian homies from outer space
>sexual preferences + POCs: (exist)
>(You): I'M GOING INSANE! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
>empty cinemas + uncaring audiences: (exist)
>Disney execs: I'M LOSING MONEY! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
Capitalism, comrade
>POC
why are trannies like this? just say blacks
they are calling Black folk peices of cral
>sexual preferences
>gay
uh-oh stinky, that's a big ole bigotry you just committed. Time to check into the liberal newspeak center for education so that you'd KNOW that gay isn't a PREFENCE it's an ingrained GENETIC freedom. You disgusting bigot.
Everyone is getting tired of this corporate pedo cult and its bullshit.
Does this say
>contains scenes with gender ideology
?
Yes
HAHAHAHAHAH
Ever since they metoo’d john L, they’ve been fricked.
Go woke go broke. Time to wake up, Hollywood.
It's not about the money it's about sending a message.
The internet exposed a lot of degeneracy that people were unaware of. 10 years ago this would have been celebrated, we are regressing thanks to Eastern countries like Slavs, Chinks and Mudslimes trying to pit us Americans against each other.
>thanks to Eastern countries like Slavs, Chinks and Mudslimes
............wtf? You mean israelites?
As a kid I would have thought this was awesome and I liked the Buzz Lightyear cartoon. But for one, I don't think kids today don't give a shit about toy story. And it seems most parents actually don't want to expose their kids to gay propaganda
idgi, it only needs 11 more million to make a profit
The problem with Lightyear is they tried to appeal to both chuds and woke people by having a white male protagonist with all the black lesbians upstaging him in every scene. When they go full woke like with Turning Red they are much more successful.
half of the box office sales goes to the theater. they also spent around another 100 million on advertising.
it flopped hard AF. I hope the gay shit was worth it
Maybe they should have gone for sci-fi pew pew instead of a time dilation examination of a lesbian love affair.
They should have the black girl be the lead instead of a white male, they fricked up
The gay shit is even funnier when you remember that the in-universe story is that THIS is the movie Andy watched that inspired him to get a Buzz Lightyear toy.
Like we're supposed to believe that children's movies had lesbian astronauts in the mid 90s.
huh it's almost like if they can re-write history in a movie, they can do it IRL too.
Who was the movie for? Adults that watched Toy Story and somehow thought this deserved a serious take? That can't be a huge demographic.
The commercials looked like they wanted some serious plot about a cartoon character. Parents don't take their kids to that. Parents take their kids to Spongebob and frozen. Parents are not looking for quality films, they want babysitters that will help them pick Christmas presents later.
Do /misc/tards really think it underperformed because of a gay kiss?
Oh, does this movie feature a gay kiss? I hadn't heard. For you see, I have been in a cave on Mars for the last six months with my fingers in my ears and my eyes shut.
cope
>Gets banned in China
>Gets banned Saudi Arabia
It absolutely did.
Also got given a rated R certificate in a load of places in Latin America
its the only thing that I EVER hear about the movie, why would I want to watch a movie when every piece of marketing and discussion is about a gay kiss that lasts 1 second, I have no idea what its about other than its probably buzz vs zerg or whatever his name is.
It didn't help
Yeah, excluding billions of people from the get-go certainly has no financial repercussions. moron.
even without the gay shit the movie is not good at all so it doesn't matter
Good
The last 4 (?) Pixar movies have flopped though it was arguable because they also had Disney+ releases.
Pixar is going to be taken out back soon.
>The last 4 (?) Pixar movies have flopped though it was arguable because they also had Disney+ releases.
The 3 before Lightyear ONLY had Disney+ releases except in countries that don't have Disney+. That's the funniest part of all of this, they clearly held Lightyear back as a concept through the pandemic because they thought it was a guaranteed hit that they could put out as their first big post-covid hit.
original Lightyear because he's conservative
>>Hire Captain America cause he's liberal
>>All you can hear is Captain America's voice the entire movie
Gee I wonder where it went all wrong
they didnt fired him cause he was conservative ( disney keeps inviting Allen to reunions of old properties and shit, also planning to put him in new stuff) they recasted him cause
>"We need le epic cap to bring in audiences"
Without thinking about the fact that he cant voice act for shit and the voice acting from Tim was a big reason of the success of the character
This. The bombastic voice Tim Allen put on for Buzz was a big part of the character's appeal and humor. Chris just sounds like himself.
>Budget 200 million
Why would it cost this much? Animators and artists get paid basically nothing. Does it go to the voice actors? Who are doing less than half the work they normally do in a live action movie?
Every single animation movie is an exercise in cooking the books
>ah yes we need 10 million more for shiny eyes technology™ ;^) ty goy
Movie looks boring + parents don't actually want their children to be exposed to gay propaganda
For me, it was no Tim Allen. The gay shit just cemented me not taking my child to it. Yes it was a blink and you'll miss it kiss, but that's how it starts and it becomes worse and worse.
Yeah we know. It's been talked about to death
It turns out that nobody wants weird gay mutts in their kids movies, even if they don't outright ban movies with them in it.
meds
cope, commie
If its true that the moronic Minion movies make a billion dollars each that's both embarrassing for Lightyear and sad/concerning for humanity.
>make gay Black person woman propaganda piece
>it bombs
>make movie that's not gay Black person woman propaganda piece
>it's a hit
nature is healing, there's nothing to be concerned about
I'd rather see occasional gay black people than idiotic yellow morons destroying my brain cells with their cringe "humor".
that's because you're a gay Black person
and that's a good thing.
Remember a few years ago when nobody could imagine Pixar releasing flops? That's what being bought by Disney does to you.
The movie just looked gay and like it would suck. It looked like they were trying to make some kind of pure action flick out of Toy Story instead of it just being some goofy yawn with autistic, overconfident Buzz doing a bunch of gaffes
based.
sodomites btfo
>lesbians
>sodomy
Sodomite comes from the story in the bible in which God destroyed Sodom and Gomorroa because they were full of degenerates and sinners. So it still applies.
As a Marvel fan, I couldn’t be happier if it means they get spooked from showing gay stuff too much.
the film flopped because they made Buzz look like a republican cop
because of pic related
Dr strange had lesbians too and that didn’t fail
see, I've never heard that, people talked about the actual movie instead of some scene with them in it.
>Dr strange had lesbians too and that didn’t fail
it wasn't advertised like that also it had no plot relevance and was a moronic scene and funny as frick if think about it
plus the dykes never kissed and died immidietly in hilarious fashion
Disgusting. Looks like a nasonex commercial.
Hearty laugh, thanks anon
When will they stop trying to cram Black folk down our throats and try to actually make money again bros?
What the hell was this movie even about anyways?
is like interestellar but 90% of the cast is black and gay
Some lesbians love journey over some decades of space/time shannanigans, and Buzz Light-year becomes evil and has to stop himself.
Just some creepy bullshit made to sexually molest children via media.
>almost 200mil
frick, I hoped it wouldn't even break 100,
WHO the frick ARE all these fricking normies?
if you couldn't tell by the random injection of cute animal as if they did studies on what will boost ratings of a movie, you should've seen this coming.
I for one welcome the Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Bollywood/Other takeover of film and cinema. Done with Satanwood tbh.
Hollywood is dead because we all know theyre child eating pedos and rightfully so.
Good!
>only box office matters, video sales and rentals are always significant in comparison!
Is this true? Or is this only true in the past before digital took off.
>Hey kids, do you want to see a standalone Buzz Lightyear movie?
Yeah!
>And do you want to see Buzz portrayed as an overconfident and incompetent idiot who needs to be constantly saved and protected by a bunch of diversity hires?
....