As a bookgay who binged S1 to catch up, S1 shat itself in the last stretch. First 7 episodes the characters are nicely expanded on in ways the source material couldn't accomplish while still faithful to the book. But episode 8 and everything after have a tangible shift as if a different production crew finished S1.
Initially the narrative's perception of Rhaenyra is nuanced. She's a "true" Targaryen clearly meant for more than just being a baby carrier, and her intentions are good overall. But she's also a spoiled irresponsible liar who thrives on spite and pleasure, to the detriment of duty. This is all consistently presented in the first 7 episodes, as is the portrayal of her rivals. Greens are technically championing the truth against the people who seek to stifle it, but they're also clearly doing it out of self interest and will do it no matter the justification. Rhaenyra's antics provide them with ample justification, and she starts panicking like a wild animal once her irresponsibilities catch up with her.
But once Veamond threatens to expose her the show goes full moron. Rhaenyra is suddenly this Mother Theresa figure who just wants to protect her good boys from baseless lies, nothing more complex than that. Everybody suddenly loves and supports her - despite her alienating all those people for the previous 7 episodes. Alicent changes her mind and wants her to be queen? What? Viserys bails her out and it's treated as if he finally did the right thing, when that same scene was a confirmation of his unworthiness in the book. In fact that same scene would make him look unworthy if it took place in episode 4. Greens turn evil to the point of straining credulity, like the villain OST after Aegon is crowned or Otto being creepy toward Alicent.
The show even adopts a certain schmaltzy good vs evil approach to its presentation that was absent in episodes 1-7, and ruins so many scenes with shit decisions. Why not just follow the Dance? Why change it so much?
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The whole series is a pozzed disaster, and a lot of fans will dip out after season 2. Just skip it, or read the plot online
you are attempting to push your mob mentality narrative before you have watched a second of s2
how sad and pathetic is your life
Nah he's right, you're the one with a sad and pathetic life if that's the first thing you think to accuse someone of when they disagree with you on some TV show about dragons
Enjoy your slop.
cope & seethe, anon is correct in the most succinct way possible. Anyone seeing how Hess, sapochnik, and the two female leads explain the concept of the show should immediately know this. You’re either a moron, disingenuous, or both.
Didn't they fire Spopovich tho?
No he quit in a huff because they refused to give his (unqualified) wife an official producer role.
It's good that he left. He was the moron behind The Long Night, wasn't he?
Yes
Battle of the bastards was basically a Michael Bay movie.
Black water mogged it in every way.
He also did the battle against crabman ep
Weird. I remember the crab man but not the battle.
remember the sword daemon had that was obviously plastic, and the genius move of sending him in alone “to lure the pirates out” of the cave?
neither of them are involved in s2 that you havent watched a second of
>mentions 4 people
>neither of them
thirdie, three of the 4 are literally involved
haha yeah the 2 female leads are still in the show you really owned me
for the last time you havent watched a second of s2 but you are already crying like a little b***h over leaks
The leaks have pretty much been confirmed with this
i feel like you tried to make a point
>those leaks mean nothing even though images have leaked which prove them true
S2 is going to be shit.
Cope.
show me the post where i said they mean nothing. i said you guys are getting mad about them and you are
she tweeted about them being written not that she wrote them
no what you did is miss the argument either because too moronic or dishonest. it has nothing to do with current involvement, it has to do with what the core concept of the show is. and it wasn’t just one wacko claiming it, it was the leads, showrunners, and even fricking Rhaenys repeats it verbatim in cringe exposition in the beginning of the show. That’s not something that would magically change coz one guy left.
And ah yes, the executive producer who’s a writer had no say in the show or its writing lmao
i dont know, from the sounds of it s2 is considerably different and you are really mad about it and now trying to act like its the same show. which is it
>from the sounds of it s2 is considerably different
despite all evidence to the contrary
>um ur mad even tho this started with me angrily ranting!
go b***h about it on crystal cafe or one of the 20,000 femcel TikToks, moron.
thanks i will
no it isn’t, it is doubling down turbo amping the idiotism that was season 1, you really don’t understand the whole conversation
i fully understand you are loosing your shit over a couple leaks like i said
It’s losing you dumb pajeet.
I know HBO hires you shit skins to shill for cheap but damn.
i speak best english for entire village
You don’t even understand how you keep moving the goal posts kek it’s hilarious. did you harvest enough (you)s for your shitty job yet
see if you can follow the replies back to my first post where i said the same thing
Kek you still don’t understand
at least i got another (You). im totally cashing in tomorrow on my day off
>loses argument
>pretends like it was just b8 all along
many such cases
how can i argue with someone so moronic they actually think there are people posting ITT and getting paid for (You)'s
>how can I argue
you can’t, obviously, too moronic. which is why you’re trying to save face now.
You are so fricking stupid
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/hbo-casey-bloys-secret-twitter-trolls-tv-critics-leaked-texts-lawsuit-the-idol-1234867722/
It literally says Twitter accounts, are you illiterate?
Still not understanding
God you are moronic, nobody cares about us anon. We are not important enough to shill to. 368 million people on Twitter are.
Still not understanding
yeah getting someone to defend against established critics is totally the same as paying someone to reply on a Cinemaphile thread with like 30 people in it. im so moronic how did i not think of that. you have outed me
what?!! i only get 25c a day
> 30 people in it
Extremely generous estimate anon. I would be surprised if there are 30 people on Cinemaphile right now in general.
>totally the same
Yes it is totally the same. The same concept of paying some weasels to push an agenda
see the post below yours
It will never not be funny to me, delusional anons thinking we of all people matter as an audience for anything. Imagine having such a high opinion of yourself.
>”We are currently writing the finale of Season 2,” Hess told Variety
> “House of the Dragon” showrunner Ryan Condal, writing partner Hess and their team have written one of the most graphic scenes of the series
yeah no involvement at all
GRRM would also say "we" are writing it but yeah he isnt
yes, the executive producer, writing partner & co-showrunner who is a writer hired to write on the show has no say in it.
keep trying, even though this and hundreds of other articles confirm she works on the show.
You just tried to lie that Hess is not involved, jump in the poo pile on your street shill
>um not involved!!!!!
you somehow think this is a big own as if that means the central concept of the show will suddenly change on a dime. you are that moronic, and don’t even realize it. unbelievable kek
Hess, Alicent and rhaenyra actors aren’t involved?
hess is ep only in name. she isnt doing any writing. the actors are actors they do what they are told and have no input
>leads explain the concept of the show
>have no input
English, mother fricker, do you speak it
ah yes the writer who was promoted to exec producer and given co-lead status, who tweeted about writing s2 scripts, has no say in the show LOL
and all that supposedly means the show will shift 180 in its central concept from s1
>only in name
You’re either a liar or an idiot because Hess is absolutely involved in the creative process of this show.
>You’re either a liar or an idiot
I already guessed both and turned it turned out to be true.
>1 guy out of the 4 mentioned isn’t “involved” now
>this somehow means the entire concept of the show will suddenly change
>um you haven’t seen the show that hasn’t premiered, so checkmate!!!
so I was right, you’re both. LOL
i see you guys have all mastered the art of the greentext. at least you have that going for you, which is nice.
the mob mentality i spoke of is out in full force loosing your shit over some interviews and leaks. everything i said is factual in basis
>is factual in basis
Colonialism was a mistake
>um I’m right just… because ok!!!
>people disagree with me ugh that’s like mean mob mentality!
even the schizo autists could argue better than you, and that’s not saying much.
they had to change so much just so Rhaenyra doesnt look like an entitled, lying, cheating prostitute usurping a Crown she has no legal right to.
Which is all the case, and for the first 5 episodes Rhaenyra just does what the frick she wants. Which is a total girlboss moment, but suddenly the show expects us to think rhaenyra is not entitled, selfish and impuslive, but actually wise, selfless and just, the rightful queen and all that.
It is so heavy handed because it has to be, because if they actually followed the book as it was written noone would support the Blacks, and the showrunners want them to support the Blacks.
Why doesn’t anyone question the validity of the show writers? Who put them there and why, what is their educational background, why do they have the right to be there? They certainly lack the ability
>Why doesn’t anyone question the validity of the show writers?
Condal seems like the only guy who read the bare minimum of the books. The rest are all very questionable. Isn't there one Asian girl who is just completely throwing out material in favor of girlboss moments?
>Why doesn’t anyone question the validity of the show writers?
Some fans do but they get labeled incels because the current writing is armed with a feminist rhetoric.
For what it's worth Condal seems to be a genuine book fan, from what he said over the years. That skill just seems to translate very poorly to showrunning, or HBO is compelling him to push a certain type of show.
I haven't started the first season yet but reading posts like these makes it sound like the writers of the show do away with superior elements of the original story so they can substitute them with some variant of girlboss feminism and make the blacks the good guys because they have more women and Black folk on their side.
Similar to stuff ruined parts of Game of Thrones during later seasons but apparently this show goes downhill during the first season already?
Kind of, it's not really doing away with that many superior elements of the original story because it's just filling in the blanks with the kind of moronic shit you'd expect from any modern TV show, I wouldn't say it's substituted anything with a girl boss narrative but heavily leaned into it while completely ignoring any problems presented by the question of who's on the iron throne that isn't the patriarchy, and only the patriarchy as far as it applies to highborn
the other anon is a lying homosexual.
they DO change stuff to promote shitty ideals.
Rhaenys has black hair in the books because her mother is a Baratheon and they changed it to typical Targaryen color.
black Velaryons doesn't make sense any way you cut it and they still went with it.
Rhaenys originally had silver hair, GRRM changed it to black in Fire and Blood but the show went with the first version which is fair WTNSKS
>which is fair
no
>t. greenhomosexual
the books are written from the perspective biased sources. Rhaenyra's slander is because of this.
there are no solid succession laws.
Jaehaerys made sure of when he chose his second son the heir instead of the son of the daughter of the first son.
so succession is what the king chooses if we go by Jaehaerys.
both sides are shit and (you) shouldn't side with either of them.
>the books are written from the perspective biased sources.
i hate this attitude
so why do you read the book at all? what is the point? if it's fake slander then why trust anything in it? or do you just trust the parts that suit your wishes more?
>attitude
it is a fact.
>why do you read the book at all?
it's a fun way to write things. like how the Elder Scrolls writes its lore.
the whole story of what happened to the Nerevar is fun when there are conflicting records of it.
in ASOIAF, makes it fun to shitpost and shit on maesters and their slurpers.
>if it's fake slander then why trust anything in it?
there are things that all sources agree on.
>or do you just trust the parts that suit your wishes more?
this is what (you) are doing. you grasp at the words of the maester even though the others don't mention it.
and there is another possible explanation why they have dark hair.
and imagine describing a baby's nose as pug and assuming it will stay the same as he grows up.
Is that why the books shit on the greens?
Because the Greens are all self-serving sociopaths. Hard to whitewash Aegon II having a feast praising his brother kinslaying or Aemond burning the Trident because he got outsmarted.
Meanwhile the books have to add petty slanders and touch ups like, "Ah yes, Alicent still had the body of a 18 year old after multiple kids and Rhaenyra became a fat hog!"
>Hard to whitewash Aegon II having a feast praising his brother kinslaying or Aemond burning the Trident
It’s really not if the maesters were truly as influential as you think. Compare it to Robert’s rebellion section of woiaf straight up denying Tywins war crimes
>Rhaenyra became a fat hog
Accurate. Look how big she looked at the end of S1.
I'd put more babies in my wife if she could come out of 3 more pregnancies looking like that lmao
That was after 6 I believe
> "Ah yes, Alicent still had the body of a 18 year old after multiple kids
According to the show, this is correct. Alicent is a smokeshow. No wonder Criston Cole kept hitting it and why Viserys made 4 babies with her
>most beautiful 6 year old for Aegon iii
>riverlanders constantly beating the greens
>constant losses for green commanders
>”haha Aegon watches sex!!”
>daemon does Le HECKIN anime flips while Aemond gasps in terror
Hard to whitewash Rhaenyra asking daddy to torture a child
>the books shit on the greens
mushroom likes to shit on everyone.
there is a maester and a septon. they don't shit on the greens iirc. one even says that Aegon didn't agree to be king until told that Rhaenyra will kill him and his family.
what did they change about her? they CLEARLY show her lying to Alicent, they clearly show her being a prostitute with Cole, they aren't hiding what a piece of shit she is at all.
>Tfw no rhae implying leanors a pedo
Feals bad man
>he kept watching after this
Embarrassing. We tried to tell them
true, how could they go against the books and put a silver wig on Rhaenys is beyond me.
did they even read it?
or did they do it because they feared it would undermine black velaryons narrative?
How can anyone take this show seriously after seeing these mop headed fools?
as someone who hasn't watched the show yet this pic really makes want to avoid the whole thing.
valyrians being Black folk, really?
>makes want
makes me* want
It's worth it just to watch Daemon and Aemond tbh senpai. I don't give a shit about anyone else.
>bookgay
opinion discarded
Mfw my daughter walks in on me as my grandson gets killed
Unforgiveable Character Assassination. Mass Murder in a single Episode.
Insane that this is the way they do this, what a fricking joke
What's this?
why the frick does Criston even hate Rhaenyra if he does this shit
because they can’t risk people siding with the greens. if they show them to be absolutely hypocritical it immediately makes the audience go wow ok maybe they deserve the infant slaughter, because that’s the state of modern audiences. no capability for nuance or unconditional empathy.
Isn't Alicent's final kid gonna be a brunette to imply he's Criston's kid too?
He can’t be a bastard because he’s able to ride dragons. Unless they change that too.
Literally impossible unless targshit fans want to admit valyrians aren't special and Dany might as well shit herself to death
You try to push this in every single thread. No, unless the writers are absolutely moronic, so yes
This is from an old movie in 2016 named Katie Says Goodbye. Imagine not being a real Cookechad.
Good post, it's because casual audiences want clear cut good guys and bad guys so they just used the girl power spin to make the blacks the unquestionable heroes of the show. Rhaenys emerging on her dragon during Aegons coronation and the fakeout death of Rhaenyras husband really shows where the writers heads are at, both of these moments are trying to depict the blacks as the moral good guys with no regard for the innocent peasants or servant. The blacks represent the idea of the targs being these magical ubermencsh that are objectively ethnically superior to everyone else and therefore should be able to indulge in whatever they want no matter the cost to the realm, and that seems to matter much less to the writers than the fact they're feminist af. While the greens foil them by representing the idea targs should have to answer to the worlds laws and religious traditions the same as everyone else they're still the bad guys because that's a bit too chuddy
>Laenor's fate
>the Driftmark succession trial
>Rhaenyra's kids being so obviously not hers
>butchery of the Green Council
>butchery of Aegon's coronation
>butchery of Criston Cole
>making Otto pedo towards Alicent
>so clumsily making Velaryons black
Which one was the show's biggest mistake? I can't make up my mind.
's kids being so obviously not hers
I meant so obviously not Laenor's, my bad.
the conflict of the ENTIRE SHOW is about the parentage of Rhaenyra's children and making the Targs black removed any kind of possible ambiguity from it. anyone that's going along with her and her claim 100% knows she's an adulterous liar, there's no one that's going to be doing it because they believe her or believe her claim.
>making Otto pedo towards Alicent
wtf I don't remember any scenes of them that show Otto being a pedo in s1 or was it in s2 leaks?
Laenor’s fate and Rhaenys busting through the floor to glare at the greens are by far the most egregious.
not counting the blackwashing because that was intentional and they tint even try to really justify it.
It's wild they turned the Velaryons black but are gonna cut out Nettles the cute black dragonrider that Daemon either fathers or fricks.
>either fathers or fricks
You idiot, he did both
>Star Wars dead
>GoT/asoiaf dead
>true detective dead
>lotr dead
>last of us dead
>Witcher dead
Is there anything fricking left
There is chud
Nope, just watch bronson movies, that's what I do.
We like monke princess here
will she make a return?
she didnt die right?
She grew up to be less monke but more ugly. But yeah unless there are flashbacks they are done with monke actress. Young Allicent was my favorite but adult Allicent is also smoking.
me miss monkee
emily and milly have both confirmed in interviews there are no flashback scenes and they are not in s2 at all
FEEL LIKE ABSOLUTE SHIT BREHS I WANT THEM FRICKING BACK
What the FRICK is HIS problem?
reminder that Rhaenyra's mom, Aemma arryn, doesn't have a description in the books. reminder that her father was an Arryn.
reminder that Rhaenys the queen who never was and Laenor's mom had black hair because her mom was a baratheon.
reminder that Rhaenyra's kids bastardy is green propaganda and not an actual fact.
with this out of the way, the show is SHIT.
>black velaryons even though Aegon the conquerer's mom was a velaryon
nah, her kids are still obvious bastards who have not just hair, but noses, eyes, and skin tone just like their real father.
Rhaenys had purple eyes. Aemma, while not explicitly stated, would have either been blonde & blue eyed as the typical Arryn look, or Targaryen like her mother, who was an aunt of Viserys.
Black hair and purple eyes, or either of the possibilities for Aemma, bear no resemblance. Especially when you consider that Laenor and Laena are described as intensely Targaryen looking—not even Velaryon like their father (ie have purple instead of Velaryon blue).
but yes the backwashing is moronic.
>noses
of a fricking baby
>skin tone
headcanon
george is a big fan of hair color not eye color
the most moronic thing about it is the black targs specifically because the parentage of Rhaenyra's children is up for debate. like okay the Lannisters could bullshit their way out of it but there is literally no universe where anyone is going to think that these lily white children are in any way related to her homosexual black husband lmao. it's beyond parody watching her act indignant like there's any doubt she's cheating on him.
Everyone knows her children aren't Laenor's. Like literally everyone. The only reason they can't say it aloud is that it's tantamount to treason (and is treated as such by Viserys when he orders Vaemond killed) and to be questioning the honour of the king's heir without solid evidence is essentially an outright claim that they do not recognize the king's chosen heir as legitimate which is an attack on the legitimacy of the Targaryen dynasty going forward altogether.
They smartly hold their tongues while Viserys lives, but they immediately acknowledge the truth after he dies. Those who side with the blacks aren't doing so because they think her children are legitimate Velaryons, but because they're either too honourable to reneg on their oaths or they're otherwise opposed to the greens.
It's honestly baffling that the Velaryons are willing to side with Rhaenyra in the television show, when they believe she killed their son AND it's obvious that she cuckolded him and her children aren't his. I guess you could say it's because of the betrothals to Jace and Luke, but even so, they could just not accept them.
i sex her
Is nobody else pissed that the showrunners decided to have Cristin Cole frick alicent? It’s clearly meant as a wedge between rhaenyra and alicent having them both frick the same guy like I’m sure all these twats in the writers room do, it’s fricking garbage
Peak female writing. Some sex in the city euphoria ass plot, it’s so fricking gay
Nah I was fine with it for a while. I like courtly romances and Criston was the only one who was there for her. I knew it would be some rhaenicent Bs though.
They butchered blood and cheese.
>Helaena runs with her daughter to Alicent
>Alicent is getting fricked by Criston as Helaena walks in
No way, Cole you absolute rascal.
>Helaena runs with her daughter to Alicent
>Alicent is getting fricked by Criston as Helaena walks in
But why does this ruin Blood and Cheese? What happens in the books? Does Helen sacrifice herself for her kids?
>Alicent is gagged and bound
>blood and cheese wait for Helaena
>she walks in to say good night
>they grab maelor and jaehaerys at knife point
>pick
>she panics and says to kill her instead
>they say no and threaten to rape her daughter and then kill them all
>she picks maelor because he’s too young to understand
>they kill the other one
>she screams and goes mad knowing that she condemned her other son to die as well as losing her first borne
So the only difference is that Alicent was gagging on Criston's wiener instead of being literally gagged?
Eh. It kind of missed lots of points. Alicent was also forced to watch what happened. Helaena goes mentally insane instead of literally running into the room where her mom is getting dicked down. So instead alicent is going to get blamed from Normies instead of people going “Helaena and Alicent both suffered.” Hell I think they got rid of the choice in the bill and just mad helaena point which is the oldest son….which ruins why it broke her.
>Helaena goes mentally insane instead of literally running into the room where her mom is
She goes insane on the spot? Like batshit crazy at the very moment the son is killed? I don't know if that's any better. The realistic thing would be that she gets traumatized, then loses her will to live or something.
Something like that. She basically crawls around trying to stop the bleeding around the beheaded area and then they have to take the other kids away from her because she can’t take care of them. She won’t eat, sleep, bathe and she’s basically catatonic in her room while Alicent takes care of the kids. From the leaks, it seems like they won’t do the trauma and going mad with her.
>From the leaks, it seems like they won’t do the trauma and going mad with her
That sucks. Does she just shrug it off because she's autistic?
Apparently she says “they killed the boy.”
Like this is going to make Helaena hated more than daemon.
I just realized this is Helaena so maybe they might make her a little mad.
So, she's supposed to be full moron?
Ironically enough her kids and her are weird. Jaehaera was sitting in the corner when Aegon comes in, jaehaerys is sitting in the library doing stuff and Helaena was like “just let them be weird.”
Literally every single point is altered to moronation
do they cgi out her grille?
I love Hunter Schafer (female)
>her
not a bookgay but the way I saw the show is that
>Alicent changes her mind and wants her to be queen
Allicent never really wanted her son to be next in line, she was mostly scared Rhaenyra would off her and her children to secure the succession, a fear which fed by her ambitious father
>Viserys bails her out and it's treated as if he finally did the right thing
He appointed her as heir prematurely, the whole succession struggle is ultimately his fault, and backing her was an attempt at keeping up his word and trying his best to secure a smooth succession
>she was mostly scared Rhaenyra would off her and her children to secure the succession, a fear which fed by her ambitious father
and a fear fed by Rhaenyra when she (seemingly) killed Laenor and let the rumors about it spread on purpose, knowing it would intidimate her enemies. she tells Demon as much
fair enough but at that point Alicent was already heavily pushing the rumours and ultimately trying to secure the throne for her son
>like the villain OST after Aegon is crowned
kek today i will remind them:
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by design, it would be moronic as frick to give triumphant hero music to the people already on the iron throne, it would tell normies to frick off and stop watching the show since the maximum goal has been reached. stop being so autistic.
The show interprets Fire & Blood as anti-Black anti-female propaganda, and to "fix" the story it goes very pro-Black and feminist.
those tv shows are to played in the background with the sound off
it's not to focus on, it's not to be taken seriously
it's multitasking white noise entertainment
if you want that game of thrones vibe then red
The Accursed Kings by Maurice Druon who Fat George Rape Rape Martin ripped off
OH NO NO NO NO
THE LEAKS ARE REAL
HAHAHAHA IT'S OVER SEASON 2 IS D&D TIER
LUCKY FABIEN
Lucky pajeet
LMAOOOOO SHE HIP THRUSTS HIM
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I was hoping that Criston made her wear a Targaryen wig.
This is such a stupid perversion of the characters.
In S1 it's clear Alicent and Criston might have some feelings for eachother but they're both too stuck up and obsessed with propriety to ever let themselves act on it. They're also obsessed with opposing everything Rhaenyra stands for and everything she's done, so they miserably trapped themselves into acting like repressed puritans instead of giving each other comfort.
But hey I guess the bad guys can't be allowed to have consistent beliefs or integrity, they're always hypocrites to ensure the good guys look even better.
They will both be portrayed as only hooking up in a petty attempt to spite Rhaenyra and make Alicent look like a convinctionless hypocrite for criticizing Rhaenyra having sex with Cole and fathering Strongs bastards. I wouldn't be surprised if it suddenly cuts to Daemon fricking his niece that he groomed afterwards to show us what pure true love looks like as contrast to le evil spiteful Alicent and Criston
Fricking kek
It’s going to be S8 all over again.
>Lord of Light literally brings people back to life
>lol what a weird ass religion
>goes back to talking to trees and shit
Religion makes no fricking sense in this universe.
It's supposed to align with magic and cosmic mysticism coming back to Westeros (first dragons born in over a century, Lord of Light followers gaining fire powers and mild prescience, invasion of Others, main POV characters having insane dreams), but George didn't really think that far ahead with how that will tie in with the final act.
He also didn't utilize the Seven as much as the others and is just his de facto Catholic church full of only corrupt fricks or complete zealots.
Drowned God is somehow even shittier despite having four Ironborn POV characters to hype it up. Euron ends up fricking around the world just to return to commit deicide in front of his brain-damaged brothers.
They are whitewashing the Blacks
OH NO NO ALICENT HAS SEX MY HECKIN DRAGON EPIC FANTASY IS RUINED
The only ones who hate it are lesbo shippers and people who pretend to care about Alicent. The timing sucks I’m not gonna lie but Alicent has had to deal with old man dick for years and gave him 4 kids and the one time she’s finally free and gets to have some time with a guy who’s been there for her for years everyone screams and cries.
Alicent is a prostitute, but at least her kids aren't bastards.
I liked this stupid scene. He can clearly just politely state his closing statement but he gets domed because he went full buck wild.
Kinda makes sense why they made the Valeryons black if you think about it.
>One Velaryon is a hater
>Other is full-blown zesty
>They all rely on the crown's welfare in order to keep their holdings from pirates
>She wears underwear with dick holes.
The matter was already closed by the tyrant Viserys, he was dooming himself by continuing to speak at all. He knew that it was already done and had no reason to not go all the way.
neither are Rhaenyra's.
the show is shit.
You didn't even list the most egregious thing, when Rhaenys just kills all those random peasants with her dragon, doesn't kill any of her actual enemies, and we're supposed to root for her in that scene.
I don't know why they always try to get us to root for the most amoral or evil characters just because "girl power!"
And it's crazy because in GOT the whole plot of the show centered around Daenrys turning to the dark side, and when she started burning up random peasants, that was the last straw thing, where she became irredeemable, that the entire show's plot centered around. Here, it's just like, yeah whatever, she burned a couple hundred peasants to death for funsies, no big deal.
when did burning up peasants mean turning to the dark side, or that there was a dark side at all in GoT. just israelites subverting the ending to make bad guys looks like muh nazis. kek they literally gave her demon wings
It's also moronic because when the dragonpit is attacked one of the dragons attempts to escape through the ceiling and it kills everyone involved.
She was too good for this world.
She really was incredibly adorable.
Laryslads, how we feeling?
Aegon was also butchered in S1. The showrunners went full Mushroom on him while under the odd delusion they're making him "grey", well go check any of his scenes on youtube and he's considered by most fans as Joffrey 2 with some extra rape.
The rape shit on its own could've been fine, honestly. But the worst part is making him a coward who wants to run away, they really went hard on making him as pathetic as possible. Him being ready to run and abandon his family is also not consistent with his alleged S2 characterization where he cares a lot about his family.
What changes would you make to further destroy this show?
Cast the dude that molested contrapoints then copied his videos and trooned out to play a real woman
Make King's Landing inexplicably full of asians, pajeets, and black people.
make everything mushroom said as real
Make the true victims of the civil war noblewomen.
Make Aemond suck a dick in episode 2
Oh wait that’s already happening
The day is almost here. IT'S ALMOST HERE.
blood and cheese refers to sex with Rhaenyra
There’s a leaked trailer for the second episode. Apparently that’s when Otto gets fired. Harrenhall. Fight with the twins.
Link it
WHERE ARE THE LEAKS
https://www.reddit.com/r/HOTDGreens/comments/1dejwqf/leaked_trailer_on_tiktok/
THANK YOU
>leaks on you
Thank you my king
none of the main characters seem to have agency and things just sort of happen to them by mistake or from someone else's meddling
>As a bookgay
I don't know much about booklore but I have a question for those who do, which are the characters that up to this point are most, or at least somewhat, accurately / sensibly represented, both in terms of appearance (no black Velaryons) and personality?
the king Viserys is described as weak and indecisive.
the show portrayed him weak and indecisive but in a great way.
i believe he's the best character in the show.
Sex with Daemon. Sex with Aegon. Sex with Aemond.
Rhaenys dies in this one, right? I'll watch just to see her burn.
Yeah that’s probably like episode 4-5.
Why are they called blood and cheese? Knowing GURM it's probably because one never washes off his dick cheese, and the other likes to frick women while on their period.
>blood
brute
>cheese
rat catcher
iirc
I thought one was a butcher and the other a cheese man, though rat catcher makes sense
Blood was a butcher. He was once a serjeant in the City Watch of King's Landing and lost his gold cloak for beating a prostitute to death whilst in a drunken rage. Cheese was a ratcatcher familiar with the hidden tunnels of the Red Keep.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blood_and_Cheese
>a serjeant in the City Watch of King's Landing
Wait, so Daemon knows him, right? Does Daemon order the assassination of the kid?
He says to rhaenrya “a son for a son. Lucerys will be avenged.” He tells Mysaria(accent b***h) to get some people to do it and they pay the two guys to kill Helaenas kid. No one knows if Rhaenyra knew what that meant considering she was in grief but it was daemon and Mysaria. Which makes mysarias death satisfying.
>accent b***h
kek. If you hadn't said that I would've had no clue who she was. Also, did she really die in that fire?
Nah some of her lady’s did. The show is trying to make her a champion of the smallfolk but in the book she’s a treacherous c**t who hooks daemon up with underage brothel girls and poisons Rhaenyras mind. She gets killed later on by whipping to death.
Also, just a rumor by mushroom, apparently she tells rhaenrya to throw Alicent and Helaena into a brothel so they can be raped.
In the show yes, he knows him and talks to him
you can generate posters with yourself or like you know any other image you might have saved like a frog or something
https://raiseyourbanners.com/en/
shut the frick up homosexual
thanks i will
tfw the shill’s assignment was to get two (you)s and he politely thanks them, kek
Shut up shill.
Does Helaena have 2 boys and 1 girl in the show?
I think maelor is mentioned but I’m not sure. Apparently he wasn’t in the room when blood and cheese come in.
What was this moron doing?
That impotent seething pose on the right is too funny.
The middle one is literally the virgin walk
Hunched over like an ogre, he is
>theme of the books: There's no such thing as "the rightful king"
>Show: heavy-handed deer scene to symbolize rhae rhae is the rightful ruler
Apparently Aegon is incredibly based this season and the actor kills it. I still have hope for the Greens.
>see a HotD meme
>don't get it
what kind of cope is it?
Rhaenyra's bloodline is Otto's bloodline and they look toward Otto more than Rhaenyra.
>Rhaenyra's bloodline is Otto's bloodline and they look toward Otto more than Rhaenyra.
wut
What part confused you?
why would they meme that? it makes no sense.
You're going to ask them that, I don't know that answer.
glad i'm not the only one confused by it
The Hightowers got completely purged from the Targaryen bloodline. All legitimate Targs with Hightower blood died, all that survives are the bastards Aegon II had with lowborns. Even Aemond's bastard probably died once his witch prostitute Alys Strong was rooted out of Harrenhall.
All that just for baela to marry a Hightower and have 6 kids
Rhaena married the Hightower. Also, we know nothing about Baela’s descendants despite them being the rightful successors to the Iron Throne under male-preference primogeniture. Like the Yorkists on steroids. Especially egregious if Baela’s descendants died out so the Yorkists essentially have the backing of the Westerosi Illuminati and most of the Reach.
>Missed out on a fun Tomboy/Girly Girl pair of sisters for copy pasted black Kweens in shitty wigs
I'm ringing my bell but nothing happens!
Also, that Otto signs off on Daemon marrying Laena in the first place despite the fact that the moment they produce a son Daemon could denounce the Strong boys as bastards and have his son inherit Rhaenys claim to the throne as well as Driftmark. Then he has the backing of the Velayron fleet and Vhagar.
>despite them being the rightful successors to the Iron Throne under male-preference primogeniture
Except they weren't Targaryens.
Or Velaryons
Tower chads got the last laugh. They're still a major power in Westeros and all the Targs are dead except Dany and a couple more doubtful ones.
>Vassal to the Tyrells
>About to get ass raped by Euron Greyjoy
>Currently ruled by a Wiccan Femcel shut in
>Major power
Kek
Her children have Targaryen features and ride dragons. Who else but Viserys could be their father? Maybe Daemon.
No one cares about the sleeping with Criston. It’s Helaena not doing the “pick a kid,” it’s Helaena running away while they kill her kid and running into Alicent naked.
Caraxes is red.
Dreamfyre is blue.
I banged Rhaenyra.
And Alicent too!
>What difference does it make?
kys Hess, you shit hack
I haven't read the books this shit is based on, but why are they so desperate to make the Greens into the baddies rather than attempt any nuance?
Because Rhaenyra is a woman.
Because daemon is Le HECKIN cool.
Because GRRM wanted them to.
because it is slop
Give it time, the Greens will be redeemed. Ryan Conman is already praising them in interviews.
>why are they so desperate to make the Greens into the baddies rather than attempt any nuance?
Are you sure about that?
Yes
Because GRRM made them villains in the book too. The Blacks were villains too but nowhere near as villainous
they're literally the villains of the series
Ironically, Viserys is the biggest villain of the series thus far.
He didn't want Damon on the throne so named his daughter heir and then Damon ends up with her anyway and that's fine I guess? They don't seem that evil.
Having kids with Alicent would protect Rhaenyra even if she married Daemon in theory. Since he'd be a consort the throne would pass to Alicent's son or potentially Daemon's son instead of too Daemon directly so Daemon has less incentive to marry and then kill Rhaenyra.
They compared Alicent to Trump.
because the show is shit.
they want to show the women as dindus and blame the war on the men.
Was S1 even that good?
The bar was so low after GoT season 5-8 that Hot D seemed like a masterpiece in comparison. Now the audience have expectations again, so expect season 2 to be met with an appropriate level of criticism.
>hey let’s take the main villain of the show and make him a completely pathetic unintimidating homosexual by making him suck a wiener at the beginning of the season!
Good writing dude!!!!
Is it really happening?
I read that someone sucks dick but is it really him?
How can they frick up every single character, this is a new world record
No. We got leaks confirming it’s not Aemond sucking dick. He just breastfeeds off a prostitute
>breastfeeding
Wait what? I thought he’s just naked in the fetal position crying as she comforts him?
>breastfeeds
>breastfeeding
based
>off a prostitute
cringe
There’s definitely a sex scene with him and that brothel chick, reviews make it clear there’s some form of weird fetish from aemond, I’ve heard people saying he’s getting whipped, or he’s breastfeeding with a mommy kink, and I’ve heard he sucks literal dick. None of it sounds good
It’s a humiliation ritual for the actor, he got accepted in the ‘club’. Same for Smith and D’Arcy
bros I miss him so much, I just want him to be happy and keep playing with his WH40k figurines
It's a good thing he was a weak ineffectual moron, because the few things he does take a stance on show how much of an awful tyrant he would be.
Strong boys.
Dance with the Dragons is genuinely the worst part of the ASOIAF history because GRRM was forced to write some explanation as to how the dragons all died. Rhaenyra was a moron, Aegon II was a moron, everyone around them were psychopaths and morons, and they bungled their way into killing their most prized asset.
Compare this with the Blackfyres, an actual good rebellion, with an actually well written Rhaenyra (Daeron II) and Aegon II (Daemon Blackfyre) along with an actually even conflict with much more conflict and build up going on and with a lot of interesting figures surrounding the claimants that are stocking the flames of war because of their own egos.
>daemon dies
>it’s all just Bittersteel trying and bloodraven going “haha I win”
Nah.
Bloodraven is a literal wizard, the fact that Bittersteel haunts Bloodraven makes him based. But I'm not talking about the subsequent Blackfyre rebellions, i'm talking about the one that required Bloodraven to commit blasphemy, treachery and magic to win. Daemon was incredibly likable, Daeron II was a good king, you could see why people supported these guys, who tf would want to support a prostitute or a moron rapist?
sometimes a dilemma is between 2 good choices, sometimes between bad and worse choices. don’t see why that majes any the Dance less interesting. Agree though that there are contrived elements to it that take away from the story. don’t think that’s one of them.
The Blacks are better than the Greens is part of the problem, even the story itself doesn't try to argue that the Greens have a point, the Green line is extinct. Blackfyre on the other hand makes an argument for both sides and gives both sides some interesting figures from the little we know, Daemon's roll of heroes and Daeron's extended family.
if Daeron is then it confirms that Targ blood isn't required to ride a dragon, it was already implied with Nettles but this would confirm it
Nettles was a dragonseed, she has some Valyrian blood in her.
i believe Jace only said that anyone can try their hand at taming a dragon, it doesn't necessarily mean they need to valyrian blood. Nettles has no Valyrian looks to her unlike the other dragonseeds and she tamed a dragon in a different way compared to anyone else in the series. Her inclusion is meant to cast down on if Valyrian blood is even needed
Which is moronic, obviously the Valyrians do have bonds with their dragons that verge on the telepathic.
the Dance isn’t about an argument for one side or the other. it’s about a question: can House Targaryen do whatever it wants, even violatinh an ancient, basic Westerosi custom? and the answer is no, which is why they lost all their dragons and became a lot less held apart.
I do think it would be interesting so see what he BR, with 2 sides you don’t have to hate.
Considering the Blackfyre lineage is neglected to the point where a descendant becomes a Lyseni prostitute and (potentially) one becomes some street urchin that gets castrated I suspect people weren’t fussed about Daemon by the end.
imagine what could have been
why were Hugh and Ulf so moronic?
Realistically the Dance was the best chance they had to become kings. After the war they'd be lords with shitty castles whose families would probably lose their dragon too a Targaryen 5th son in one generation.
woulda been kino.
especially a chad Alyn who eventually becomes Velaryon heir.
mom they killed the boy.
I'm interested in how connecting this affair to B&C is gonna turn out. Like will Alicent go more fundamentalist thinking this happened because the 7 were punishing her for fricking Cole?
I think Cole starts going head on into war and puts his focus on that to repent while Alicent gets depressed.
you guys don't get paid for all your posts?
lmao
you're doing it for free?
literally janny tier
I got paid 20 bucks for this post, +2$ per (you)
AEMOND WANTS TO FRICK ALICENT
THEY MAKE AEMOND A MOMMYFRICKER
No he has mummy issues because he feels like she neglected him. Making the whole Alys arc make more sense (along with the older brothel madam).
Then they should have cast a motherly nurturing actress not that abomination whatever that is
>Helaena sees his mom and cole fricking, doesn't care that her son got beheaded
>Aemond wants to frick his mom
Who is writing this
An ugly Asian woman with a gummy smile
You mean a israelite hapa dyke
Of course she’s a israelite how did that get past my israelitedar
Aegon is the only good character
too bad they already made him a child rapist who makes children fight and makes his own children fight
Jamie was a kingslayer, a sister fricker and a child killer and he was successfully redeemed, there's still hope for Aegon.
They also made him the only good character in the show
ALL HAIL AEGON, SECOND OF HIS NAME! KING OF THE ANDALS, THE RHOYNAR AND THE FIRST MEN! LORD OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS AND THE PROTECTOR OF THE REALM!
Where are you guys getting the “Aemond wants to frick his mum” idea from? I didn’t see it in any leaks.
One reviewer said something like “aemond isn’t punished for storms end but a scene in a brothel makes it clear that aemond wouldn’t mind a little punishment” or something like that, and another reviewer mentioned aemond mommy issues
> scene in a brothel makes it clear that aemond wouldn’t mind a little punishment
Hmm, yeah it could be alluded to him being into findom? Is that what it’s called? Ewan did call this season “sexy” which didn’t make any sense at the time. Interesting choice for every character to have some kind of fetish. Who’s next and what will it be?
I could see daemon having a dragon fursona. Rhaenyra is a cuck queen for sure
Cregan would be the furry wouldn’t he? Daemon would be into something much more fricked up.
Pedo incest not enough?
Good point.
One leak says he sucks dick, another that he has some mother fetish like breastfeeding, which is worse?
No the leak just said something about a blowjob scene involving a very large dick.
just wait and see
Come and see, and I saw.