The Greens have no legal right to the throne. Rhaenyra was the chosen heir and this was confirmed in the Great Council of 101 attended by several great lords from all.over the realm. Alicent, her welps and all those who identify themselves as "Greens" are usurpers who must needs face the iron kiss of executioners axe. This is known.
Aegon 2 is younger than Rhaenyra and was born after she was confirmed heir to the throne. He and his line have no claim to the throne unless Rhaenyra and her children survive. If Viserys hadn't confirmed Rhaenyra's ascension maybe a case could be made, but waging a war to undo the wishes of the previous monarch, his father, a d plunging the land into chaos is why he ended up disfigured crippled and eventually poisoned.
Reminder that in the end righteousness prevailed and it was Aegon 3, Rhaenyra's son that ascended the throne.
>Aegon 2 is younger than Rhaenyra
Irrelevant, Bran is heir before Sansa, Tyrion was heir before Cersei, Edmure was heir before Catelyn, Aegon II was heir before Rhaenyra.
>Reminder that in the end righteousness prevailed and it was Aegon 3, Rhaenyra's son that ascended the throne.
Her son, not her. Her son was a viable candidate with Aegon II's death and considered his heir.
Indeed in the end righteousness of a sort did prevail.
It's funny how this is how the whole thing plays out.
At the end of the day, then, I think it calls into question how much those victorious armies were Rhaenrya’s, if they were so cheerfully willing to strike her name from the roll of monarchs (which was probably all to their advantage, given how hated Rhaenrya was after her brutal occupation of King’s Landing led to the storming of the Dragonpit) and abandon the cause she had given her life for, or whether by that point they were fighting for vengeance and to overthrow the green faction and replace them in the halls of power.
Aegon III inherited because After the war the law of succession supported by the greens became the norm, moron. He became Kings because he was Aegon II'z closest living male relative, not because he was the son of a dead usurper prostitute.
Even his brother Viserys II used the green law to dab on his three nices and taking the throne. By accepting this succession, both the surviving sons of Rhaenyra denunced her as an usurper. Hence why Aegon is remembered as the lawfull king during the Dance, and Rhaenyra instead as an usurper/prostitute.
The Council of 101 litterally confirmed the male primogeniture, dumb secondary. Hence why Rhaenyra's aunt Rhaenys was among the hawks of her faction. She always tought that the men in the council stole her rights to the throne. Rhaenyra nomination was a special event because Viserys didnt want to marry but nobody wanted his brother Daemon on the throne. Once he decided to marry again and Allicent gave him three strong (kek) boys, the special designation of Rhaenyra had no longer any meaning.
>Great Council of 101
That was the citation that supported Aegon II, anon...
>In the end, the lords in the realm saw the most importance in having the male line taking precedence over the female line.
>in the eyes of many, the council of 101 AC established an iron precedent on matters of succession: that the Iron Throne could not pass to a woman, or to a male descendant of a woman.
>They determined that the houses which had dissented during the Great Council were likely to support the claim of Rhaenyra Targaryen instead of Aegon II Targaryen.
Targaeryns are not bound by Westeros law, seeing that they can marry brother to sister they can also bypass common succession laws. Reminder Targaeryns are closer to God's then to men in GRRMs world and this gives them special rights.
>Rhaenyra's own supporters marked her a usurper, as did her son.
That was Aegon's green council. Cregan Stark called her Queen and Aegon never called her usurper.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aegon III was his own king, and the Black armies occupied the capital. Instead of declaring Rhaenyra queen, they agreed with the Greens that Aegon III would be king and Aegon II had been king before. Rhaenyra was marked as a traitor by all. Hence why she's remembered as one even though the Blacks had the chance to officially declare her queen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Aegon III was his own king
Lol. His regents made all the decisions for Aegon. Aegon couldn't even decide his own Kingsguards or rule, or the fate of his sisters
Its no wonder Viserys II didn't force a regency on Aegon's son because of how shitty it was for his brother
2 years ago
Anonymous
The regency only last 5 years, anon.
And that doesn't change the fact the Black armies held King's Landing and could have stricken Aegon II's name and hoisted Rhaenyra's up. But they didn't. They all went home with the peace that she was the dead traitor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>His regents made all the decisions for Aegon
for the first five years, and half of them were Blacks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ah yes, lets change the decision that made peace to the realm. Nothing bad will happen
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, the apparently victorious Black armies agreed Rhaenyra had not been queen.
Yet he named his son after the most popular of the late Aegon II's siblings, well remembered even by the blacks.
Yet?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You had the whole Westerlands, Stormlands and Hightowers who were on the Green Side, plus the Velaryons. The Blacks had a weaker army, stop being moron with the "le black army took KL"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>le black army took KL
...
Anon, it did. The Blacks somehow won every battle. Have you even read the backstory? They took the capital.
Admittedly the war is really shittily written and doesn't make sense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And they left after and Greens dominated the city, especially with Unwin Peake
2 years ago
Anonymous
So the Greens won?
2 years ago
Anonymous
This Is the factions map at the start of the war BTW. The Greens despite being smaller had the richest and most popolosus areas, including the three biggest cities in the continent. Later they halso allied with some of the free cities that destroyed the Blacks main fleet in a massive sea battle
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Riverlands was divided, the Brackens and Harrenhal was on the Greens side.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah the war really wasn't very well written
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yet he named his son after the most popular of the late Aegon II's siblings, well remembered even by the blacks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its GRRM being moron and not planning the whole Targ family.
Aegon had 3 older brothers, one of whom who tried to avenge the attack on him and Viserys, same with Viserys why did he name his youngest son after Aemon when Aemon was grandfather to the Velaryon princes
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That was Aegon's green council
You mean Aegon III's regency?
Aegon III never declared his mother queen. Aegon II's reign stood even those the Black armies took the capital.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Right. He took the throne because he was AEGON's heir. Not because he was the son of Rhaenyra.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Exactly. Rhaenyra was a traitor, as the Great Council of 101 had established with regards to succession.
The incest was a special rule they made legal by forming a council and after receiving the approval of the Pope. Viserys instead just decided he wanted Rhaenyra as heir and threated death and destruction on anyone opposing it.
This is tyranny to me. And we say all the wonders this idea of Targaryen goodhood brought to the dynasty across their history. They are lunatic tyrants that eventually were rejected by Westeros
>and threated death and destruction on anyone opposing it.
He didn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes he did. There was also a death penalty for anyone stating the oblivious truth that the Velaryon Kids were bastards (and so not eligible for succession). Even Corlys brother was executed on the spot for saying so in front of the court.
>Great Council of 101
That was the citation that supported Aegon II, anon...
>In the end, the lords in the realm saw the most importance in having the male line taking precedence over the female line.
>in the eyes of many, the council of 101 AC established an iron precedent on matters of succession: that the Iron Throne could not pass to a woman, or to a male descendant of a woman.
>They determined that the houses which had dissented during the Great Council were likely to support the claim of Rhaenyra Targaryen instead of Aegon II Targaryen.
>Women for Trump Allicent >Otto Chadtower >Volcel thot remover Come >Coomer Aegon II >Punished shounen antagonist Aemond >Tradwife Haelena >Daeron the Daring >Fooot feticist Larys >Supported by Cinemaphile approved houses like Baratheon and Lannister >Approved by Stannis
Is there still doubts about which faction we should root for?
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>nigs >from a clan that has kept its bloodline pure for thousands of years >from a clan whose emblem is a seahorse meaning they're comfortable on the water
They could have easily made room for bravoosi Black folk or something but nah, gotta make the targs black front and center
>>from a clan that has kept its bloodline pure for thousands of years
Does it ever say this in the books? They don't even describe the Velaryons as being pale.
Yea in the first half of the Targaryen Age the Velaryons was basically the 8th unofficiall great house, as targs usually married them when lacking sisters to frick to keep their lineage pure.
After losing the dragons in the HOTD civil war tho they started marry with the great houses of Westeros to keep the power, and thus the Velaryons became more and more irrilevant
>and Velaryons as similar looking enough to the Targaryens for them to intermarry as if they were cousins
Can you cite this? I've read the books several times and never seen this description
The Velaryons are pure valyrians with platinum hairs and purple eyes in the books, same as Targaryens (they werent part of the dragon nobility tho).
Together with the Celtigars (minor house) these three are the only valyrian noble houses in Westeros
>The Velaryons are pure valyrians with platinum hairs and purple eyes
Sure, but there's nothing in the books that says they're pale like the Targaryens
>Can you cite this? I've read the books several times and never seen this description
Sounds like a lie to me.
Why dont you actually read the books and fire and blood before trying to defend your chimps washing?
>Sounds like a lie to me.
... says the anon who can't support his claim that the book says the Velaryons are pale. If you can't prove your claim, I accept your concession. Here, I'll even help you:
https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
Now prove it, b***h.
2 years ago
Anonymous
All the characters are white by default and George makes a note every time they're not white, no notes for Velaryons = they're white, otherwise you could argue they all had horns and buttplug cat tails and since George never specified they didn't, it's a completely valid interpretation
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he can't cite it because he's never read the books
>targs are pale with blonde hair and purple eyes >care so much about blood purity they intermarry with their siblings >when they can't do that anymore they sometimes use their cousins House Velaryon
But yeah, since it isn't spelled out specifically in the books we simply can't infer that they weren't actually Black folk!
Well done, anon!
2 years ago
Anonymous
That is exactly why they put Black folk in, attacking the whitest people they could.
>Targs described as pale >Targs marry Velaryons and have kids >kids also described as pale >not a single Targ ever described as an American goblino >Cersei sees a Velaryon bastard and almost mistakes him for Rhaegar
Every single Velaryon mentioned in the book have the classical valyrian hairs. Including the bastard-turned pirate Aurane Waters, that according to Cersei looks a lot like Rhaegar
The Velaryons are pure valyrians with platinum hairs and purple eyes in the books, same as Targaryens (they werent part of the dragon nobility tho).
Together with the Celtigars (minor house) these three are the only valyrian noble houses in Westeros
>House Velaryon is of Valyrian descent, and its members often have Valyrian features, such as silver hair, purple eyes, and pale skin. >Laenor had an aquiline nose, silver-white hair, and purple eyes. >“The blood of Old Valyria was strong in her (Daenaera Velaryon), as is oft seen in the sons and daughters of the seahorse; her hair was silver laced with gold, her eyes as blue as a summer sea, her skin as smooth and pale as winter snow.” >Aurane is handsome and thin, with silver-gold hair and grey-green eyes. He has a cleft in his chin and has a beard. His appearance reminds Cersei Lannister of Rhaegar Targaryen, although Aurane's face is narrower, and Rhaegar had deep purple eyes.
>oft
So sometimes? Literally nothing in these assorted, random passages say all Velaryons are Nazi wet dreams and nothing says some Velayrons could not be PoC.
By this logic It was never started they didnt had green skins like a fricking Namekkian. So a Velaryon with green skin and slug-like feature should be okay?
>By this logic It was never started they didnt had green skins like a fricking Namekkian. So a Velaryon with green skin and slug-like feature should be okay?
To them it would be because they don't actually care about the story. It's all about making their disgusting mutt children feel good about being goblinos.
>Once, in the halls of the Red Keep, Daella had encountered a prince from the Summer Isles in his feathered cloak, and squealed in terror. His black skin had made her take him for a demon.
In other words eat shit you Reddit homosexual troony c**t.
It's implied but honestly who fricking cares.
Valyria was the largest empire in the fricking world, and there were only like 40 dragon riding families.
Most of the valyrians did not ride dragons.
>Women for Trump Allicent >Otto Chadtower >Volcel thot remover Come >Coomer Aegon II >Punished shounen antagonist Aemond >Tradwife Haelena >Daeron the Daring >Fooot feticist Larys >Supported by Cinemaphile approved houses like Baratheon and Lannister >Approved by Stannis
Is there still doubts about which faction we should root for?
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Stannis is a moron, if they didn't want Rhaenyra to ascend the throne their grievances shouldve been raised BEFORE Viserys died. He had crowned Rhaenyra Prince of dragonstone and confirmed her as his heir years before his demise, the throne belongs to her by rights of the land.
If Stannis is a moron so were all the Blacks, because they agreed after her death that she hadn't been queen and concurred with the Greens that she'd been a usurper.
Westeros is not an Absolute monarchy. If he really wanted to do things right, he should have called a Council like Jahaerys did to settle a new succession law. But he know him and Rhaenyra would have lose a votarion among all lords, so instead imposed the inheritance of his daughter by threating death by dragonfire in anybody trying to say something against it.
Not to mention that almost nobody would had accept the blatanty bastard kids of Rhaenyra on the throne after herself
>Not to mention that almost nobody would had accept the blatanty bastard kids of Rhaenyra on the throne after herself
For someone who seems to read, you write moronic. I like it.
>The phrase "blood of the dragon" refers to the Valyrian descent of the Targaryens, and more specifically to the fact that they were one of forty dragonlord families of Valyria. The typical Targaryen features remind strongly of the typical Valyrian features: pale skin, silver, platinum, or gold hair and eyes in a variety of shades of purple, or light blue
Imagine wasting hundreds of millions ensuring a top notch production to make this fictional story about dragons believable with everything from costuming to sets to CG to fake languages.. and then completely wrecking any semblance of suspension of disbelief with this Lord of the Rangz tier garbage. If I were a worker on the show I'd feel insulted and intentionally botch by work since the producers clearly don't care about any sort of consistency or believability.
Remember when people went nuts over a coffee cup and a water bottle someone accidentally left in the background.
No it's not. The whole premise is "what a white guy created was too white, so let's shit all over it to include all the dumb buttholes who are too brain-dead to come up with this kind of shit on their own."
Joe is very popular. Many people would side with you. You're totally safe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm a right and proper elitist and reorientation comes from above, not below. Drunk morons with AR-15s are not the solution to the problem. The peasant class cannot rule. They are not capable of it. Its not in their nature.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I never said anything about random people ruling. Are you having conversations in your own head again?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>How about we make our own society then?
Who is the we here? The non-existent right wing aristocracy? Only the lefty nobles are left now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The people who grow the food and make things work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So the peasant class then. Basically random people. You sound like a communist to me. Rise up workers! Seize the means of production and abolish the elite!
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's nothing to seize. Again, are you having conversations with made-up people in your head? You must be a nightmare to try to converse with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There's nothing to seize
Well thats absurd. Of course their is. Land, factories, physical good, infrastructure, weapons. You're advocating for the lower class forming their own country. Like Marx.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I'm advocating that people go back to living how they lived before six corporations controlled everything. Do away with welfare and things would practically correct themselves overnight. People like you would be flayed alive by your pet Black folk in the city after about a week of no food. The rest of us would be better off. Growing food, making what we can, bartering for what we can't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So a collapse then. This is the correct path forward. People aren't just gonna "go back" though. We'll need war, famine, the whole lot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not a collapse. What there no society before major corporate farms? Progress over a cliff is the collapse. Take a fricking look around.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Progress over a cliff is the collapse
I'm not a progressive it that hasn't become apparent b the broken society we have must fall before it can be rebuilt. I'm against revolutions on principal as they are, by definition, leftist in nature So I await catastrophe . It will come. Always does.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Only the lefty nobles are left now.
They lost any sense of nobility when they deigned it upon themselves to be israeli puppets.
Reminder that Aenys married Velaryon and Maegor died without any children. Whole Targaryen family comes from children of Aenys and Alyssa Velaryon. Shouldn't they all be mutts if Velaryons are black?
Hope you dont forget that aegon the conquorers mother was also a velayron and its not some strange single generation that they all became black but the show confirmed in its art pieces that not only are the velayrons black from whe they first arrived but also that the small folk of high tide are with those attrocious wigs and mutt skin. God do i wish grrm had some balls in his tiny leftist sack but hell accept they put out as long as they give more sweet cash to delay WoW
In AGoT, Ned discovers that Joffrey isn't Robert's son because of genetics similar to real life (blond hair + black hair = black hair)
ASoIaF was always meant to be realistic (not always succesfully, but still), most of the plot early on is derived from actual history, and so on. Magic or not, fricking with a character's race is fricking with the audience's suspension of disbelief. It takes you out of of the story, breaks your immersion, and makes you realise you're watching actors wearing shitty wigs playing pretend. Sure, it's more inclusive, but it makes for a worst show.
>a literal fantasy world with dragons and people with purple eyes
>NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY CAN'T CARRY GLOCKS TO CAP EACH OTHERS ASSES WITH THEY HAVE TO USE SWORDS IT'S HISTORICALLY ACCURATE NONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOO
They quite literally have the uglist and worst cast choices compared to the absolute peak perfection they had with GoT. Meh i hate that i was excited for this hope its atleast fun sometimes since this is what Awoiaf is coming to
is this a Targeryn origin story? Are those supposed to be Danerys ancestors?
Im guessing no because that would be preposterous even by 2022 Hollywood moronic standards.
That's because the show producer wanted diversity. The Velaryons are valyrians just like the Targaryens in the books.
Dany direct ancestors in the upcoming plot are Rhaenyra and Daemon (Matt Smith) BTW. Shes a descendant of one of their childrens. None of the darkies Velaryons are in her genetic tree
>None of the darkies Velaryons are in her genetic tree
But there is. Aenys married Velaryon. And because Maegor didn't have any children, whole Targaryen family comes from children of Aenys and Alyssa Velaryon
Some think Colrys is black because his mother (never mentioned in the books)was a summer islander. So maybe the previous generations of Velaryons were white
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shouldn't he be mutt then like his son and not full Black? In any case, they'd better explain that shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They won't the entire point is that no one is allowed to question no matter how ridiculous it is, it's all in preparation of the upcoming education and history books rewriting
>That's because the show producer wanted diversity.
We know, moron. We fricking know.
Scroll up, we've been over this.
The point is it's fricking cancer because it shows they don't give a rats ass about the story which indicates the show will be dog shit.
You mutts trying to justify it make me sick.
Go watch black panther or something.
Greengays are pathetic, how do you deal with the fact that Alicent's whole family died out in a war she provoked in fear that Daemon would've killed her children and grandchildren. Congrats Alicent
Also they ignore that Targs can make up their own rules, they literally bended the laws of incest to accommodate Targs, a puny thing like succession makes no difference. Throne belongs to Rhaenyra as she was the eldest of the children, greengays seething.
They would had. Rhaenyra already ordered executions for people calling her kids bastards. Allicent and her childrens did that multiple time, but couldnt be touched as long as Viserys I was alive.
If Rhaenyra took the throne, It would had been over for them.
Also they ignore that Targs can make up their own rules, they literally bended the laws of incest to accommodate Targs, a puny thing like succession makes no difference. Throne belongs to Rhaenyra as she was the eldest of the children, greengays seething.
>seething this hard because Aegon III abandoned her legacy and her own supporters opted not to support her reign being legitimized
lol?
The war was about the rights of the children, Rhaenyra wanted her sons to be kings not her, same for Alicent. Except all of Alicents children died whereas Aegon 3 become the king. So the Greens decisively lost and it's not up for debate, this is despite having Vhager, the largest of dragons and one of the original 3 that cake to Westeros, on their side. Cope and seethe
>The war was about the rights of the children
That's a weird cope, it was about Rhaenyra being queen. She wasn't trying to crown her kids, she was fighting for her own right to rule and lost.
Salic Law and the Great Council of 101 were both upheld.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She was fighting for her rights because it's by that right her children would rule the realm.
The council's decision ultimately became void cause the usurper still ended up murdered, and it's almost undeniable he was killed with the full knowledge of all his remaining supporters.
Rhaenyra never cared about the two sons he had with Daemon. She was all about her three precious "Velaryon" boys, especially Jacy. And all the "Velaryons" died.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She did care for them, stop being moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
They really fricked up a lot of the backstory. It's weird they're even allowed to write since at least one of them never even read all the novels.
[...] >She was fighting for her rights
And she lost.
Ultimately the Great Council of 101's male preference version of inheritance law was upheld, and with the dead of Rhaenyra the usurper her own supporters agreed she'd been in the wrong and struck her name.
The way the Blacks accepted to recognize Aegon II as the rightfull king during the war? Sound like an admission they supported an usurper woman.
It was a lucky accident that the Dance ended in such a way that both sides could think they had won: the blacks could be happy that Aegon II was dead and that Aegon III was king, but the greens could console themselves that the legal principle of Salic Law from the Great Council had been upheld. After all, if the Dance had established that women could inherit, Aegon II had a daughter left alive (who was carefully betrothed to Aegon III to prevent that sort of thing causing trouble), and Daemon had two daughters who were older than Aegon III. (While we’re at it, it is interesting that GRRM has the Dance wipe out all three of the “strong” Velaryon boys so that Aegon would be the one to inherit).
Ultimately Princess Shireen Baratheon was right: no one really won. Both contenders died and the realm had to pick up the pieces.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yea. In the end the party in favor of the Salic law from the council of 101 (that later merged in the greens, but werent synonymous with being Allicent loyalists) won, while the party of the Absolute monarchy/Targaryen exceptionalism (that later merged into the blacks) lost. Incest aside the post Dance targ kings were basically fully westeronized in customs and traditions, succession included
2 years ago
Anonymous
Laws don't apply to Targs. Maegor the Based knew this well, too bad the Targs that followed were pussies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And what happened to the targshit that considered themselves gods above all laws? Here a quick rundown of the last generations of targshit: >Rhaegar, lunatic rapists: BARATHEON'ed >Aerys, pyromaniac sadist: LANNISTER'ed >Viserys, delusional moron: DROGO'ed >Daenerys, pyromaniac with savior complex: I DUN WANT IT'ed
Better than your brave monarch Aegon 2 who spent 90% of the war sleeping cause he got owned in a battle by Rhaenys then ended up dying anyway. Remind me again which faction inherited the throne? Oh right, the Blacks.
Didn't Rhaenys die in that battle?
Not that it matters because Aegon II beat Rhaenyra. His reign was legitimized by *her* supporters, and Aegon III was his heir with the factions splitting power in the form of the regency council.
Yeah and Aegon 2 was killed by his supporters, atleast Rhaenyra's followers were loyal all the way to defeat. Hell even after her death Stark and Arryn were still loyal to her cause. Aegon 3 was murdered and the leader of the greens clapped in chains, along with every other green thrown into dungeons or executed, so ultimately Blacks won.
>tleast Rhaenyra's followers were loyal all the way to defeat. Hell even after her death Stark and Arryn were still loyal to her cause.
Doesn't sound like it since they didn't champion her reign as legitimate after her death.
I think it calls into question how much those victorious armies were Rhaenrya’s, if they were so cheerfully willing to strike her name from the roll of monarchs (which was probably all to their advantage, given how hated Rhaenrya was after her brutal occupation of King’s Landing led to the storming of the Dragonpit) and abandon the cause she had given her life for, or whether by that point they were fighting for vengeance and to overthrow the green faction and replace them in the halls of power.
No. Aegon III was Aegon II heir, and he took the throne while being married ti Aegon II's last surviving daughter. Sound like a very good compromise that made everyone happy, black or green.
Aegon II daughter was then murdererd few years later, but for reasons completely unrelated to the war. It was one of Aegon IIII's regents that wanted his daughter as queen.
Does any event in ASOIAF lore outdo the Dance of the Dragons in terms of number of retcons?
Originally Rhaenyra and Aegon II were full-blooded siblings, for example, and the branches were reconciled after their deaths by Aegon III wedding Aegon II's daughter and producing heirs (no second wife was mentioned).
But after GRRM started getting more into the "dangerous women" writing theme he started making more changes, and that included whipping up the whole Princess and the Queen backstory and later cutting Aegon II's line out entirely.
They really fricked up a lot of the backstory. It's weird they're even allowed to write since at least one of them never even read all the novels.
She was fighting for her rights because it's by that right her children would rule the realm.
The council's decision ultimately became void cause the usurper still ended up murdered, and it's almost undeniable he was killed with the full knowledge of all his remaining supporters.
>She was fighting for her rights
And she lost.
Ultimately the Great Council of 101's male preference version of inheritance law was upheld, and with the dead of Rhaenyra the usurper her own supporters agreed she'd been in the wrong and struck her name.
Aegon III's first regency council. >Lady Jeyne Arryn - BLACK >Lord Royce Caron - GREEN >Ser Torrhen Manderly - BLACK >Lord Manfryd Mooton- BLACK turned GREEN >Grand Maester Munkun - NEITHER >Lord Corlys Velaryon - BLACK turned GREEN >Lord Roland Westerling - GREEN
It was direct provocation by the Greens. Killing a member of the royal family in a peacetime situation is a grevious crime, and they knew this well considering how shocked and scared Alicent was when she heard about it
>even by Westeros standards
???
How is murdering a child in front of his mother and siblings after threatening to kill all of them morally equivalent to killing a dragonrider in battle?
>battle
It was no battle, it was cold blooded murder, he killed him despite the other kid refusing to fight since it was an envoy mission. Infact he literally chased him down and murdered him cause Aemond's a psychopath. The response may not be exactly proportional but it was still deserved.
>green propaganda, slander and strawman
Ah yes, the "muh poor children" argument. Well if they didn't want their children to suffer maybe should've tried not being usurping power hungry psychopaths murdering royal heirs in broad daylight?
Lucerys was a bastard. Stop pretending he belonged to the royal family.
Wasn’t Luke the dragon rider the same bastard who tried to murder Aemond before? Sounds deserved.
>bastard
Reminder that Viserys would had the tongue torn out of people who spread such pathetic rumors. The Blacks were the rightful heirs and the entire realm suffered cause Alicent the hightower prostitute refused to obey Vicerys wishes and instead crowned her own son king.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>children who weren't there deserve to die >if you disagree it's slander and propaganda
No wonder Rhaenyra's supporters and own son ended up abandoning her cause
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lucerys was like 12 when he was murdered. The Greens don't give a shit about kids either.
And don't pretend to ignore the countless kids Aemond murdered with his hit and run killings on Vhagher across the riverlands. What about them?
No wonder Aegon 2 ended up dead and the Greens ended up executed or imprisoned, they deserved it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Squires fight and die in battles at that age. He was a dragonrider trying to gather military support for a usurper.
Aemond being nuts doesn't excuse murdering a child who wasn't even a squire and wasn't there.
No wonder the Greens ended up holding King's Landing and Rhaenyra went down in history as a traitor while Aegon II was king and Aegon III was guided by a Green regency council while the Blacks went home and accepted the Green peace.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if they didn't want their children to suffer maybe should've
goddamn that's some demented sociopath shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
>sociopath shit >doesn't denounce the coldblooder murder of a kid acting as an envoy on his mother's behalf who didn't even want to fight
More green slander. Cope.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>children who weren't there deserve to die >if you disagree it's slander and propaganda
You sound insane, I’d say seethe but you’d probably murder a child so try to relax and stay away from children
2 years ago
Anonymous
Squires fight and die in battles at that age. He was a dragonrider trying to gather military support for a usurper.
Aemond being nuts doesn't excuse murdering a child who wasn't even a squire and wasn't there.
No wonder the Greens ended up holding King's Landing and Rhaenyra went down in history as a traitor while Aegon II was king and Aegon III was guided by a Green regency council while the Blacks went home and accepted the Green peace.
Reminder that the Greens lost. Alicent was imprisoned, Aemond and Aegon murdered and all of Aegon 2's line ended up dead as well. The outcome of the DoD was a Black king on the throne, everything else is cope and seethe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Reminder that the Greens lost
>Aegon II was upheld as king by Aegon III and the Blacks, Rhaenyra went down as a usurper
hmm
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rhaenyra lost.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Blacks categorically lost. Aegon III wasn't a "Black" king he was Aegon II's nephew and heir.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the blacks abandoned rhaenyra's cause and agreed aegon 2 was king and rhaenyra was never queen
2 years ago
Anonymous
Using that sort of logic you can say the entire thing was pointless and nobody won because eventually Viserys II and his line inherited the throne.
He was absent for the entire war and married some wealthy random from Essos.
2 years ago
Anonymous
leave him to his coping and seething
2 years ago
Anonymous
>acting as an envoy on his mother's behalf
A dragon rider trying to gather military power for his mother to take the throne is a legitimate target tho. What kind of envoy do you think he was?
Yes. Him and his Bros bullied for years Aemond because he was dragonless. And when Aemond tamed the epic Godzilla-like dragon Lucerys wanted for himself, him and his brothers ganged up against Aemond like a bunch of cowardly Black folk and caved him one of his eyes
(And he wasnt punished in any way for It, despite Aemond being one of the King's sons)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol this is just straight up fantasy. Aemond was about to kill Joffrey when his brothers came to save him and were forced to use a knife to fend off Aemond, Aemond was the bully and got what he deserved from that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Aemond was about to kill Joffrey
according to who? the three strongs were the only ones to draw steel and ganged up on aemond.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aemond hit Joffrey first and would've killed him after mounting Vhagar, the master who wrote Fire and Blood has a Green bias and often glosses over the crimes of the usurper family.
>acting as an envoy on his mother's behalf
A dragon rider trying to gather military power for his mother to take the throne is a legitimate target tho. What kind of envoy do you think he was?
Cope, Aemond wanted to kill him under Baratheon's roof, but that lord knew it was a crime to kill envoys and forbade it. Nothing justifies Aemond murdering Lucerys before the war even began, and even then he was acting as a messanger which makes the crime even more deplorable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the master
moon boy, please, your posts are getting sillier
2 years ago
Anonymous
Seethe, Aemond was demented but a dragon rider squire delivering a military request is still a viable target while children who weren’t there aren’t
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NOOOOO JUST LEAVE MY USURPING TRAITOROUS WELPS ALIVE SO THAT THEY CAN ENGINEER DOD 2.0 AND COMMIT MORE ATROCITIES
blood and Cheese did nothing wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Too edgy, try to be subtle next time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>three 10 year olds were about to kill a grown adult
Lol Joff was fricking 8, and Jace was like 12.
Aemond was practically a man grown
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you need to be older for steel to work
weird that he lost an eye then
lol i hope you were joking and not serious, dumb homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
They were also helped by their two older female cousins, one of them being basically Visenya reborn.
Give slighty younger people against a 15 years old boy alone its still a cowardly act
Aemond had it coming, it was literally at their aunts funeral.
He's lucky it was only an eye
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Aemond had it coming
By that logic so did Luke.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lucerys was going to litterally do the same. He Just seethee because Aemond acted more quickly.
And no, Laena wasnt their "aunt". Not a single drop of Velaryon blood on them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the strong boys cut out a relative's eye at their aunts funeral
Bastard blood will tell.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Enough with the green slanders. They were the trueborn childrens of princess Rhaenyra and ser Laenor Velaryon. Litterally no proofs they were bastard
2 years ago
Anonymous
They were also helped by their two older female cousins, one of them being basically Visenya reborn.
Give slighty younger people against a 15 years old boy alone its still a cowardly act
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Give
*Five
2 years ago
Anonymous
They were even younger. Jace was 9, Luke was 8 and Joff was 4 while Aemond was 11
How is murdering a child in front of his mother and siblings after threatening to kill all of them morally equivalent to killing a dragonrider in battle?
Cause Aemond was next in line according to Green heresay and protected all the time? Alicent should've thrown him into the dungeons, that would've still shown that his action was condemned. But she didn't give a shit, so she deserves the response, which would never have occurred if they didn't directly murder Rhaenyra's son btw.
Its okay. Join us for the HOTD greens vs blacks console war autism. You are gonna read about It in the catalog a lot from next week onwards.
(Greens were in the right BTW)
Well, since you gave me a polite (you), this is the first i've ever heard about it, and I'm easily influenced... I'll guess I'll have to watch this show and start shit posting with you. #killallblacks
You think HBO are idiots?
You were never target audience but you will help them reach that audience by posting about it nonstop when its released. This is new age of guerillla marketing - anti wokism who spam "go woke, go broke" while discussing said product to keep it in minds of people.
You will keep making those threads because thats your role in this whole thing.
>noo stop talking negatively about it that's what they WANT you to do
Yeah sure fricktard, that's why YouTube disabled dislike views, because corporations just love negative attention
Yes to pic related, the master of whispers of the green faction. She basically paid him for his job by allowing him to cum on her feets
This alone made him an Extreme loyalists of the greens BTW
>In 120 AC, when Aemond was ten years old, his brother-in-law, Ser Laenor Velaryon, died. Aemond accompanied his parents and siblings to Driftmark to attend Laenor's funeral. King Viserys had suggested traveling to Dragonstone after the funeral, and informed Aemond, who out of all his siblings was the only one yet without a dragon of his own, that he could claim a dragon egg or hatchling on Dragonstone for his own, if he was "bold enough". Annoyed by his father's comment, Aemond resolved to claim Vhagar, the eldest of the dragons, who had recently become riderless with the death of Laena Velaryon. Vhagar was present on Driftmark, and Aemond, who knew that his parents would not allow him near the dragon, went to make his attempt in secret. >Aemond was caught by his three-year-old nephew, Prince Joffrey. In an attempt to keep him quiet, Aemond slapped and threatened the younger boy, before shoving him into a pile of dragon droppings. When Joffrey began to yell, Aemond climbed on top of Vhagar's back. The dragon broke free of her chains, and Aemond flew two circles before landing. Joffrey, however, had alarmed his two older siblings, Jacaerys and Lucerys Velaryon. The four boys fought with wooden training swords, until Aemond called his nephews "Strongs". Jacaerys, old enough to understand the insult, attacked Aemond again. When Aemond gained the upper hand and began to beat Jacaerys savagely, Lucerys drew his dagger and slashed at Aemond's face, taking out his right eye.
One eyed kinslayer fricker had it coming
>The four boys fought with wooden training swords >Lucerys drew his dagger and slashed at Aemond's face, taking out his right eye.
lucerys sounds like a little sociopathic shit, wow
>ignore the fact that Aemon almost killed a 4yr old, started beating up the rightful heir to the throne and called them all Bastards
Should've had his tongue out. This just proves greens were powerhungry psychos, both Aegon and Aemond were little shits, atleast Rhaenyra's sons were sane
>brothers should just stand by and let their brother be murdered by a psycho
Exactly the kind of shlop one would expect from a Green. Reminder Aegon 2 didn't even want to be king and was actually content with Rhaenyra ascending the throne, the Hightower prostitute poisoned his mind claiming Rhaenyra would murder them all(Green propaganda) and manipulated him into accepting title of King(which he never was cause he usurped the throne)
>with wooden training swords they're all using on each other and that that Jacaerys also has (plus two brothers similarly armed supporting him)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Two brothers who were almost babies. Aemond had it coming and was a pussy for loosing his eye to a baby
2 years ago
Anonymous
>fighting with wooden swords
"Almost baby" boys in ASOIAF fight with wooden swords all the time. Escalating to steel and attempted murder is sociopathic.
>brothers should just stand by and let their brother be murdered by a psycho
Exactly the kind of shlop one would expect from a Green. Reminder Aegon 2 didn't even want to be king and was actually content with Rhaenyra ascending the throne, the Hightower prostitute poisoned his mind claiming Rhaenyra would murder them all(Green propaganda) and manipulated him into accepting title of King(which he never was cause he usurped the throne)
should just stand by and let their brother be murdered by a psycho
Aemond's brothers weren't there, only the Strong boys were and they were the only to bare steel.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don’t need to be grown up to kill with steel, anon. Kind of a shit argument you have.
All 3 boys weren't even 10 at that time, so yes almost babies
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don’t need to be grown up to kill with steel, anon. Kind of a shit argument you have.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but seems like you need to be a grow up to not loose your eye to three babies
2 years ago
Anonymous
>a grow up
So Aemond wasn't even an adult and they still felt the need to draw steel on him?
Cowardly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What part of >began to beat Jace savagely
Don't you understand? Aemond would have killed Jace, who was the crown prince and the heir apparent
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Aemond would have killed Jace
According to who? They’re all fighting with wooden training swords.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>began to beat Jace savagely
2 years ago
Anonymous
>with wooden training swords they're all using on each other
2 years ago
Anonymous
It obviously started with wooden swords, then Aemond knocked the younger kids down and began to beat Jace to death.
Come on anon it's not hard to imagine a teenager would beat some kids.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The text doesn’t mention anything but the wooden training swords or that anyone was close to being beaten to death.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>BEGAN. TO. BEAT. JACE. SAVAGELY.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>with a wooden sword that jace and his two brother were also armed with
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aemond was not even 3 years older than oldest Strong boy. It wasnt fair at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It wasnt fair at all
Now it isn't fair? Aemond chasing Lucerys on the largest dragon while Luke had a smaller dragon wasn't fair.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What would have been fair?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aemond having a little bit of brain and not killing Lucerys because he was still seething he lost his eye to him
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sounds like neither of them had a brain. Maiming a guy with a bigger dragon is dangerously moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lucerys probably shouldn't have started a feud with someone with a bigger dragon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>almost babies
Yeah, but seems like you need to be a grow up to not loose your eye to three babies
>babies
lol they get younger with every strawman
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, they were newborn
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don’t need to be grown up to kill with steel, anon. Kind of a shit argument you have.
They may be strong but bastards are never sane, you can tell from the way they gang up three to one on someone and still have to draw steel first
Literal Black person pack mentality
>They may be strong but bastards are never sane, you can tell from the way they gang up three to one on someone and still have to draw steel first >Literal Black person pack mentality
this
>While he was an unforgiving person, Aemond would later say that he considered losing an eye to be a fair trade in exchange for obtaining Vhagar.
>King Viserys held a feast to celebrate the return of his health. After the king had left the feast, Aemond toasted his three Velaryon cousins, speaking of their appearance, mocking them as "three strong boys".
>>King Viserys held a feast to celebrate the return of his health. After the king had left the feast, Aemond toasted his three Velaryon cousins, speaking of their appearance, mocking them as "three strong boys".
Should be easy to tell now
Yes. With both an hot Baratheon tomboy, AND a hot mommy witch several years older than him. He also knocked up the second one as well.
Between Vhagar and them, he was full of b***hes
>On the twenty-second day of the fifth month of 130 AC, Aemond and Daemon, mounted on their dragons, engaged in the Battle Above the Gods Eye. The duel ended with the two dragons crashing to the floor while Prince Daemon stabbed Aemond in his eye with the Valyrian steel sword Dark Sister. Aemond's body, chained to Vhagar's saddle, sank into the lake. His body (along with Vhagar's skull) was recovered years later, with Dark Sister still through his eye-socket.
If they wanted blacks, why not cast them for roles that would actually make sense? Why make them part of a family that commits literal incest to stay pure?
In this case the strong boys are the Joff since they're the only ones who drew steel on someone armed with a wooden training sword (hey, there's even a Joffrey in the pack!)
>Orwyle was an archmaester of the Citadel who later became Grand Maester. He served during the reigns of kings Viserys I and Aegon II Targaryen. >Orwyle was of noble birth.
What the frick happened between the Dance and GoT? Did they kill all the black people?
Obvious grift. It's clear they were true Targs, Viserys himself mandated the cutting out of lying tongues that perpetuated this foolish slander. Aemond should've had his tongue cut out long back for being a seething moron.
No point in arguing with you that Rhaenyra wasn't a prostitute, she slept with two men (and one of them was her second husband).
And no point in denying that Jace, Luke and Joff weren't bastards, which is funny since they would be better Kings than Alicent's entire line with the exception of Daeron.
What would have made the Strong boys such good kings?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No point in arguing with you that Rhaenyra wasn't a prostitute, she slept with two men (and one of them was her second husband).
And no point in denying that Jace, Luke and Joff weren't bastards, which is funny since they would be better Kings than Alicent's entire line with the exception of Daeron.
The Strong Boys are based
>fighting with wooden swords
"Almost baby" boys in ASOIAF fight with wooden swords all the time. Escalating to steel and attempted murder is sociopathic.
[...]
should just stand by and let their brother be murdered by a psycho
Aemond's brothers weren't there, only the Strong boys were and they were the only to bare steel.
>Strong
Proof? Or are we just accepting Green LARP as fact now?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The boys are white
2 years ago
Anonymous
Viserys ordered liars to have their tongues cut out.
When Aemond called them Strong boys he didn't have Aemond's tongue removed. Simple as.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He had the tongues of half the Velaryons for claiming they were Strongs, Aemond was a pussy and never said it around his father otherwise he'd be missing a tongue too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No one liked the Velaryons and Viserys knew Aemond was based and not a liar
2 years ago
Anonymous
There is none.
It's just as likely that each boy has a different father, or that they're all Laenors kids.
Even in the show its possible. Laenor is only half black, the kids would be 1/4 and could have gotten their hair from their Baratheon grandmother or Aeyrnn grandmother
2 years ago
Anonymous
Would Rhaenyra really be so loose?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The leak confirm that in a episode Rhaenyra reveals to Jacy that their real father is Harwin Strong. Hence why he viciously attack Aemond after his remark
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Rhaenyra is a confirmed prostitute
2 years ago
Anonymous
Her husband was cool with it, he was a gold star homosexual. Rhaenyra only slept with three men in her life, she’s much less of a prostitute than Cersei Lannister.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cersei is funny and based, Rhaenyra is cringe and dour
2 years ago
Anonymous
The show is not canon but an adaptation where the directors took liberties with the plot. Nothing is confirmed in the books.
2 years ago
Anonymous
One of the kid is litterally named "Joffrey". I cant think of a more blatant "wink wink" to the readers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
um akshtually he's named Joffrey because his cuck gay "father" wanted to name him after his dead gay lover
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's the in-universe justification. But Martin intentions behind that name is clear.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jacy apparently was really appreaciated by everyone, especially Viserys
Lucerys sounds like a jealous whiny b***h that eventually got what he deserved.
Joff was really too young to be judged. But that name was an omnious Omen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jace Velaryon >Was responsible, bold and politically savvy. >Got the loyalty of House Grafton of Gulltown, House Arryn, House Sunderland, House Manderly and House Stark. >Planned to protect his youngest brother at Pentos >Got the Dragonseed ideas
While F&B never bothered with Luke Velaryon, Luke was Corlys' heir to Driftmark so he must have been teached by Corlys himself, who was one of the smartest men in Westeros and was honourable and dutiful.
As for Joff, same thing that happened with Luke, and even though he was only 12, he wanted to fight for Rhaenyra. >I want to fight for you, Mother, as my brothers did. Let me prove that I am as brave as they were.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nothing, they were all kind of shitty in different ways
Cersei >Queen >Daughter of the Most Powerful Man >Bastard named Joffrey >Slept with a Kingsguard who later became Lord Commander >Survived her three bastards >Was abandoned by her ex kingsguard lover >Incestuous with her twin brother >Parents were cousins >Younger brother whom she hates >Paranoid after the death of her son >Was once the Most Beautiful Woman in Westeros
Rhaenyra >Queen >Daughter of the Most Powerful Man >Bastard named Joffrey >Slept/Tried to sleep with a Kingsguard who later became the LC >Survived her three bastards >Was abandoned/betrayed by her ex kingsguard lover/protector >Incestuous with her uncle >Parents were cousins >Younger brothers whom she hates >Paranoid after her son's death >Hated by King's Landing >Was once the Most Beautiful Woman in Westeros
Rhaenyra fought her own war. Aegon 2 was a pussy who fell early in the war and had it fought for him cause he was a moron who didn't have the chops for warfare. That makes Rhaenyra superior to a ""king"" who can't into battles and almost died despite having 2 dragons on his side.
Aegon 2 didn't even fight a war and died as a poppy addicted obese junkie in a litter. Rhaenyra didn't cry btw and faced her death like a true monarch, as if anybody needed anymore proof of the validity of her claim.
Meanwhile Aegon the pussy wanted to have his cousin Baela executed cause she dared fight back when he attacked. In fact it's hilarious, he fought on his dragon 2 times and was btfo both times lol
I'll back the Greens
Can't stand blacks
The Greens have no legal right to the throne. Rhaenyra was the chosen heir and this was confirmed in the Great Council of 101 attended by several great lords from all.over the realm. Alicent, her welps and all those who identify themselves as "Greens" are usurpers who must needs face the iron kiss of executioners axe. This is known.
>the eldest son of the previous king has no legal right to the throne
It's shit like this that got Rhaenyra eaten and her own supporters to agree she was a usurper
Aegon 2 is younger than Rhaenyra and was born after she was confirmed heir to the throne. He and his line have no claim to the throne unless Rhaenyra and her children survive. If Viserys hadn't confirmed Rhaenyra's ascension maybe a case could be made, but waging a war to undo the wishes of the previous monarch, his father, a d plunging the land into chaos is why he ended up disfigured crippled and eventually poisoned.
Reminder that in the end righteousness prevailed and it was Aegon 3, Rhaenyra's son that ascended the throne.
>Aegon 2 is younger than Rhaenyra
Irrelevant, Bran is heir before Sansa, Tyrion was heir before Cersei, Edmure was heir before Catelyn, Aegon II was heir before Rhaenyra.
Rhaenyra lost, she was never recognized as queen.
>Reminder that in the end righteousness prevailed and it was Aegon 3, Rhaenyra's son that ascended the throne.
Her son, not her. Her son was a viable candidate with Aegon II's death and considered his heir.
Indeed in the end righteousness of a sort did prevail.
It's funny how this is how the whole thing plays out.
At the end of the day, then, I think it calls into question how much those victorious armies were Rhaenrya’s, if they were so cheerfully willing to strike her name from the roll of monarchs (which was probably all to their advantage, given how hated Rhaenrya was after her brutal occupation of King’s Landing led to the storming of the Dragonpit) and abandon the cause she had given her life for, or whether by that point they were fighting for vengeance and to overthrow the green faction and replace them in the halls of power.
Aegon III inherited because After the war the law of succession supported by the greens became the norm, moron. He became Kings because he was Aegon II'z closest living male relative, not because he was the son of a dead usurper prostitute.
Even his brother Viserys II used the green law to dab on his three nices and taking the throne. By accepting this succession, both the surviving sons of Rhaenyra denunced her as an usurper. Hence why Aegon is remembered as the lawfull king during the Dance, and Rhaenyra instead as an usurper/prostitute.
The very definition of perfection. Literally sculpted for playing this kind of role. Gadon looks like peasants wife in front of this queen.
Gadon?
The Council of 101 litterally confirmed the male primogeniture, dumb secondary. Hence why Rhaenyra's aunt Rhaenys was among the hawks of her faction. She always tought that the men in the council stole her rights to the throne. Rhaenyra nomination was a special event because Viserys didnt want to marry but nobody wanted his brother Daemon on the throne. Once he decided to marry again and Allicent gave him three strong (kek) boys, the special designation of Rhaenyra had no longer any meaning.
>strong (kek) boys
Maester lies. Please don't spread such disgusting slander.
Targaeryns are not bound by Westeros law, seeing that they can marry brother to sister they can also bypass common succession laws. Reminder Targaeryns are closer to God's then to men in GRRMs world and this gives them special rights.
>Targaeryns are not bound by Westeros law
In practice they are since they've never had a female ruler.
Rhaenyra's own supporters marked her a usurper, as did her son.
>Rhaenyra's own supporters marked her a usurper, as did her son.
That was Aegon's green council. Cregan Stark called her Queen and Aegon never called her usurper.
Aegon III was his own king, and the Black armies occupied the capital. Instead of declaring Rhaenyra queen, they agreed with the Greens that Aegon III would be king and Aegon II had been king before. Rhaenyra was marked as a traitor by all. Hence why she's remembered as one even though the Blacks had the chance to officially declare her queen.
>Aegon III was his own king
Lol. His regents made all the decisions for Aegon. Aegon couldn't even decide his own Kingsguards or rule, or the fate of his sisters
Its no wonder Viserys II didn't force a regency on Aegon's son because of how shitty it was for his brother
The regency only last 5 years, anon.
And that doesn't change the fact the Black armies held King's Landing and could have stricken Aegon II's name and hoisted Rhaenyra's up. But they didn't. They all went home with the peace that she was the dead traitor.
>His regents made all the decisions for Aegon
for the first five years, and half of them were Blacks.
>Ah yes, lets change the decision that made peace to the realm. Nothing bad will happen
Yes, the apparently victorious Black armies agreed Rhaenyra had not been queen.
Yet?
You had the whole Westerlands, Stormlands and Hightowers who were on the Green Side, plus the Velaryons. The Blacks had a weaker army, stop being moron with the "le black army took KL"
>le black army took KL
...
Anon, it did. The Blacks somehow won every battle. Have you even read the backstory? They took the capital.
Admittedly the war is really shittily written and doesn't make sense.
And they left after and Greens dominated the city, especially with Unwin Peake
So the Greens won?
This Is the factions map at the start of the war BTW. The Greens despite being smaller had the richest and most popolosus areas, including the three biggest cities in the continent. Later they halso allied with some of the free cities that destroyed the Blacks main fleet in a massive sea battle
The Riverlands was divided, the Brackens and Harrenhal was on the Greens side.
yeah the war really wasn't very well written
Yet he named his son after the most popular of the late Aegon II's siblings, well remembered even by the blacks.
Its GRRM being moron and not planning the whole Targ family.
Aegon had 3 older brothers, one of whom who tried to avenge the attack on him and Viserys, same with Viserys why did he name his youngest son after Aemon when Aemon was grandfather to the Velaryon princes
>That was Aegon's green council
You mean Aegon III's regency?
Aegon III never declared his mother queen. Aegon II's reign stood even those the Black armies took the capital.
Right. He took the throne because he was AEGON's heir. Not because he was the son of Rhaenyra.
Exactly. Rhaenyra was a traitor, as the Great Council of 101 had established with regards to succession.
Her own heirs and supporters grew to hate her.
The incest was a special rule they made legal by forming a council and after receiving the approval of the Pope. Viserys instead just decided he wanted Rhaenyra as heir and threated death and destruction on anyone opposing it.
This is tyranny to me. And we say all the wonders this idea of Targaryen goodhood brought to the dynasty across their history. They are lunatic tyrants that eventually were rejected by Westeros
>and threated death and destruction on anyone opposing it.
He didn't.
Yes he did. There was also a death penalty for anyone stating the oblivious truth that the Velaryon Kids were bastards (and so not eligible for succession). Even Corlys brother was executed on the spot for saying so in front of the court.
>Great Council of 101
That was the citation that supported Aegon II, anon...
>In the end, the lords in the realm saw the most importance in having the male line taking precedence over the female line.
>in the eyes of many, the council of 101 AC established an iron precedent on matters of succession: that the Iron Throne could not pass to a woman, or to a male descendant of a woman.
>They determined that the houses which had dissented during the Great Council were likely to support the claim of Rhaenyra Targaryen instead of Aegon II Targaryen.
Green for life. The true targ
Blackryon son of Black personius
That shot is more racist than anything /misc/ has ever posted.
>nigs
>from a clan that has kept its bloodline pure for thousands of years
>from a clan whose emblem is a seahorse meaning they're comfortable on the water
They could have easily made room for bravoosi Black folk or something but nah, gotta make the targs black front and center
>>from a clan that has kept its bloodline pure for thousands of years
Does it ever say this in the books? They don't even describe the Velaryons as being pale.
They describe the Targaryens as pale and Velaryons as similar looking enough to the Targaryens for them to intermarry as if they were cousins
Yea in the first half of the Targaryen Age the Velaryons was basically the 8th unofficiall great house, as targs usually married them when lacking sisters to frick to keep their lineage pure.
After losing the dragons in the HOTD civil war tho they started marry with the great houses of Westeros to keep the power, and thus the Velaryons became more and more irrilevant
>and Velaryons as similar looking enough to the Targaryens for them to intermarry as if they were cousins
Can you cite this? I've read the books several times and never seen this description
>The Velaryons are pure valyrians with platinum hairs and purple eyes
Sure, but there's nothing in the books that says they're pale like the Targaryens
>Can you cite this? I've read the books several times and never seen this description
Sounds like a lie to me.
Why dont you actually read the books and fire and blood before trying to defend your chimps washing?
>Sounds like a lie to me.
... says the anon who can't support his claim that the book says the Velaryons are pale. If you can't prove your claim, I accept your concession. Here, I'll even help you:
https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
Now prove it, b***h.
All the characters are white by default and George makes a note every time they're not white, no notes for Velaryons = they're white, otherwise you could argue they all had horns and buttplug cat tails and since George never specified they didn't, it's a completely valid interpretation
>targs are pale with blonde hair and purple eyes
>care so much about blood purity they intermarry with their siblings
>when they can't do that anymore they sometimes use their cousins House Velaryon
But yeah, since it isn't spelled out specifically in the books we simply can't infer that they weren't actually Black folk!
Well done, anon!
That is exactly why they put Black folk in, attacking the whitest people they could.
>he can't cite it because he's never read the books
>Can you cite this?
Yes I can
>Targs described as pale
>Targs marry Velaryons and have kids
>kids also described as pale
>not a single Targ ever described as an American goblino
>Cersei sees a Velaryon bastard and almost mistakes him for Rhaegar
Every single Velaryon mentioned in the book have the classical valyrian hairs. Including the bastard-turned pirate Aurane Waters, that according to Cersei looks a lot like Rhaegar
Is there anywhere in the books where they talk about Nigaryons?
The Velaryons are pure valyrians with platinum hairs and purple eyes in the books, same as Targaryens (they werent part of the dragon nobility tho).
Together with the Celtigars (minor house) these three are the only valyrian noble houses in Westeros
>House Velaryon is of Valyrian descent, and its members often have Valyrian features, such as silver hair, purple eyes, and pale skin.
>Laenor had an aquiline nose, silver-white hair, and purple eyes.
>“The blood of Old Valyria was strong in her (Daenaera Velaryon), as is oft seen in the sons and daughters of the seahorse; her hair was silver laced with gold, her eyes as blue as a summer sea, her skin as smooth and pale as winter snow.”
>Aurane is handsome and thin, with silver-gold hair and grey-green eyes. He has a cleft in his chin and has a beard. His appearance reminds Cersei Lannister of Rhaegar Targaryen, although Aurane's face is narrower, and Rhaegar had deep purple eyes.
>oft
So sometimes? Literally nothing in these assorted, random passages say all Velaryons are Nazi wet dreams and nothing says some Velayrons could not be PoC.
By this logic It was never started they didnt had green skins like a fricking Namekkian. So a Velaryon with green skin and slug-like feature should be okay?
>By this logic It was never started they didnt had green skins like a fricking Namekkian. So a Velaryon with green skin and slug-like feature should be okay?
To them it would be because they don't actually care about the story. It's all about making their disgusting mutt children feel good about being goblinos.
>green skin and slug-like feature should be okay?
If these creatures exist in the world and can breed with humans then yes.
if you use poc unironically youre an idiot Black person
>Once, in the halls of the Red Keep, Daella had encountered a prince from the Summer Isles in his feathered cloak, and squealed in terror. His black skin had made her take him for a demon.
In other words eat shit you Reddit homosexual troony c**t.
They do you moron. They are the same as the targs just from a smaller house.
It's implied but honestly who fricking cares.
Valyria was the largest empire in the fricking world, and there were only like 40 dragon riding families.
Most of the valyrians did not ride dragons.
I dont get why they must always replace something, why cant they make their own unique character that makes sense?
Lmaooooo her kids with Seal look fricking ugly
Seal is ugly himself so no surprise
>Women for Trump Allicent
>Otto Chadtower
>Volcel thot remover Come
>Coomer Aegon II
>Punished shounen antagonist Aemond
>Tradwife Haelena
>Daeron the Daring
>Fooot feticist Larys
>Supported by Cinemaphile approved houses like Baratheon and Lannister
>Approved by Stannis
Is there still doubts about which faction we should root for?
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Stannis is a moron, if they didn't want Rhaenyra to ascend the throne their grievances shouldve been raised BEFORE Viserys died. He had crowned Rhaenyra Prince of dragonstone and confirmed her as his heir years before his demise, the throne belongs to her by rights of the land.
If Stannis is a moron so were all the Blacks, because they agreed after her death that she hadn't been queen and concurred with the Greens that she'd been a usurper.
Westeros is not an Absolute monarchy. If he really wanted to do things right, he should have called a Council like Jahaerys did to settle a new succession law. But he know him and Rhaenyra would have lose a votarion among all lords, so instead imposed the inheritance of his daughter by threating death by dragonfire in anybody trying to say something against it.
Not to mention that almost nobody would had accept the blatanty bastard kids of Rhaenyra on the throne after herself
>Not to mention that almost nobody would had accept the blatanty bastard kids of Rhaenyra on the throne after herself
For someone who seems to read, you write moronic. I like it.
It's strangely clean how all her bastards died.
SO YOU BE SAYIN THE WHITEY'S GOT AN IRON THRONE AND WE'S GOT A THRONE MADE OUT OF WOOD N SHIET
MERLING KING A BUSTA
>The phrase "blood of the dragon" refers to the Valyrian descent of the Targaryens, and more specifically to the fact that they were one of forty dragonlord families of Valyria. The typical Targaryen features remind strongly of the typical Valyrian features: pale skin, silver, platinum, or gold hair and eyes in a variety of shades of purple, or light blue
Imagine wasting hundreds of millions ensuring a top notch production to make this fictional story about dragons believable with everything from costuming to sets to CG to fake languages.. and then completely wrecking any semblance of suspension of disbelief with this Lord of the Rangz tier garbage. If I were a worker on the show I'd feel insulted and intentionally botch by work since the producers clearly don't care about any sort of consistency or believability.
Remember when people went nuts over a coffee cup and a water bottle someone accidentally left in the background.
B R O W N L E A T H E R
>black males
>white females
every fricking time
No it's not. The whole premise is "what a white guy created was too white, so let's shit all over it to include all the dumb buttholes who are too brain-dead to come up with this kind of shit on their own."
Maario Naharis
gettin real tired of israelites putting Black folk in everything
Make you own tv show then.
How about we make our own society then?
>we
Go for it. Peasant revolts usually go super well.
For the peasants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts
Joe is very popular. Many people would side with you. You're totally safe.
I'm a right and proper elitist and reorientation comes from above, not below. Drunk morons with AR-15s are not the solution to the problem. The peasant class cannot rule. They are not capable of it. Its not in their nature.
I never said anything about random people ruling. Are you having conversations in your own head again?
>How about we make our own society then?
Who is the we here? The non-existent right wing aristocracy? Only the lefty nobles are left now.
The people who grow the food and make things work.
So the peasant class then. Basically random people. You sound like a communist to me. Rise up workers! Seize the means of production and abolish the elite!
There's nothing to seize. Again, are you having conversations with made-up people in your head? You must be a nightmare to try to converse with.
>There's nothing to seize
Well thats absurd. Of course their is. Land, factories, physical good, infrastructure, weapons. You're advocating for the lower class forming their own country. Like Marx.
No, I'm advocating that people go back to living how they lived before six corporations controlled everything. Do away with welfare and things would practically correct themselves overnight. People like you would be flayed alive by your pet Black folk in the city after about a week of no food. The rest of us would be better off. Growing food, making what we can, bartering for what we can't.
So a collapse then. This is the correct path forward. People aren't just gonna "go back" though. We'll need war, famine, the whole lot.
Not a collapse. What there no society before major corporate farms? Progress over a cliff is the collapse. Take a fricking look around.
>Progress over a cliff is the collapse
I'm not a progressive it that hasn't become apparent b the broken society we have must fall before it can be rebuilt. I'm against revolutions on principal as they are, by definition, leftist in nature So I await catastrophe . It will come. Always does.
>Only the lefty nobles are left now.
They lost any sense of nobility when they deigned it upon themselves to be israeli puppets.
Reminder that Aenys married Velaryon and Maegor died without any children. Whole Targaryen family comes from children of Aenys and Alyssa Velaryon. Shouldn't they all be mutts if Velaryons are black?
Hope you dont forget that aegon the conquorers mother was also a velayron and its not some strange single generation that they all became black but the show confirmed in its art pieces that not only are the velayrons black from whe they first arrived but also that the small folk of high tide are with those attrocious wigs and mutt skin. God do i wish grrm had some balls in his tiny leftist sack but hell accept they put out as long as they give more sweet cash to delay WoW
>a literal fantasy world with dragons and people with purple eyes
>NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO A BLACK PERSON NONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOO
In AGoT, Ned discovers that Joffrey isn't Robert's son because of genetics similar to real life (blond hair + black hair = black hair)
ASoIaF was always meant to be realistic (not always succesfully, but still), most of the plot early on is derived from actual history, and so on. Magic or not, fricking with a character's race is fricking with the audience's suspension of disbelief. It takes you out of of the story, breaks your immersion, and makes you realise you're watching actors wearing shitty wigs playing pretend. Sure, it's more inclusive, but it makes for a worst show.
>a literal fantasy world with dragons and people with purple eyes
>NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY CAN'T CARRY GLOCKS TO CAP EACH OTHERS ASSES WITH THEY HAVE TO USE SWORDS IT'S HISTORICALLY ACCURATE NONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOO
>More like House of the Blackn
Are the dragons a metaphor for pitbulls?
Good lord this is the ugliest stable of mutants I've ever seen in my life. What in the FRICK is in british tap water
They quite literally have the uglist and worst cast choices compared to the absolute peak perfection they had with GoT. Meh i hate that i was excited for this hope its atleast fun sometimes since this is what Awoiaf is coming to
is this a Targeryn origin story? Are those supposed to be Danerys ancestors?
Im guessing no because that would be preposterous even by 2022 Hollywood moronic standards.
It's a Targaryen civil war 170 years before GOT and 130 years after Aegon I conquered the Seven Kingdoms. So almost at the half point of their rule.
>Targaryen
ok but a dynasty/bloodline cannot realistically be as diverse as what I'm seeing in OP, it's ...
But then again, their haircolor is the same...while their skincolor...
its just preposterous.
That's because the show producer wanted diversity. The Velaryons are valyrians just like the Targaryens in the books.
Dany direct ancestors in the upcoming plot are Rhaenyra and Daemon (Matt Smith) BTW. Shes a descendant of one of their childrens. None of the darkies Velaryons are in her genetic tree
>None of the darkies Velaryons are in her genetic tree
But there is. Aenys married Velaryon. And because Maegor didn't have any children, whole Targaryen family comes from children of Aenys and Alyssa Velaryon
Some think Colrys is black because his mother (never mentioned in the books)was a summer islander. So maybe the previous generations of Velaryons were white
Shouldn't he be mutt then like his son and not full Black? In any case, they'd better explain that shit.
They won't the entire point is that no one is allowed to question no matter how ridiculous it is, it's all in preparation of the upcoming education and history books rewriting
>That's because the show producer wanted diversity.
We know, moron. We fricking know.
Scroll up, we've been over this.
The point is it's fricking cancer because it shows they don't give a rats ass about the story which indicates the show will be dog shit.
You mutts trying to justify it make me sick.
Go watch black panther or something.
Greengays are pathetic, how do you deal with the fact that Alicent's whole family died out in a war she provoked in fear that Daemon would've killed her children and grandchildren. Congrats Alicent
Also they ignore that Targs can make up their own rules, they literally bended the laws of incest to accommodate Targs, a puny thing like succession makes no difference. Throne belongs to Rhaenyra as she was the eldest of the children, greengays seething.
They would had. Rhaenyra already ordered executions for people calling her kids bastards. Allicent and her childrens did that multiple time, but couldnt be touched as long as Viserys I was alive.
If Rhaenyra took the throne, It would had been over for them.
>Rhaenyra already ordered executions
That never happened.
>seething this hard because Aegon III abandoned her legacy and her own supporters opted not to support her reign being legitimized
lol?
Seething is a word made for the Greens
To mock the Blacks, sure. Because they can't get over Rhaenyra going down in history as the loser and usurper of the war.
The war was about the rights of the children, Rhaenyra wanted her sons to be kings not her, same for Alicent. Except all of Alicents children died whereas Aegon 3 become the king. So the Greens decisively lost and it's not up for debate, this is despite having Vhager, the largest of dragons and one of the original 3 that cake to Westeros, on their side. Cope and seethe
>The war was about the rights of the children
That's a weird cope, it was about Rhaenyra being queen. She wasn't trying to crown her kids, she was fighting for her own right to rule and lost.
Salic Law and the Great Council of 101 were both upheld.
She was fighting for her rights because it's by that right her children would rule the realm.
The council's decision ultimately became void cause the usurper still ended up murdered, and it's almost undeniable he was killed with the full knowledge of all his remaining supporters.
Rhaenyra never cared about the two sons he had with Daemon. She was all about her three precious "Velaryon" boys, especially Jacy. And all the "Velaryons" died.
She did care for them, stop being moron
It was a lucky accident that the Dance ended in such a way that both sides could think they had won: the blacks could be happy that Aegon II was dead and that Aegon III was king, but the greens could console themselves that the legal principle of Salic Law from the Great Council had been upheld. After all, if the Dance had established that women could inherit, Aegon II had a daughter left alive (who was carefully betrothed to Aegon III to prevent that sort of thing causing trouble), and Daemon had two daughters who were older than Aegon III. (While we’re at it, it is interesting that GRRM has the Dance wipe out all three of the “strong” Velaryon boys so that Aegon would be the one to inherit).
Ultimately Princess Shireen Baratheon was right: no one really won. Both contenders died and the realm had to pick up the pieces.
Yea. In the end the party in favor of the Salic law from the council of 101 (that later merged in the greens, but werent synonymous with being Allicent loyalists) won, while the party of the Absolute monarchy/Targaryen exceptionalism (that later merged into the blacks) lost. Incest aside the post Dance targ kings were basically fully westeronized in customs and traditions, succession included
Laws don't apply to Targs. Maegor the Based knew this well, too bad the Targs that followed were pussies.
And what happened to the targshit that considered themselves gods above all laws? Here a quick rundown of the last generations of targshit:
>Rhaegar, lunatic rapists: BARATHEON'ed
>Aerys, pyromaniac sadist: LANNISTER'ed
>Viserys, delusional moron: DROGO'ed
>Daenerys, pyromaniac with savior complex: I DUN WANT IT'ed
Down with the imbred lunatics
Better than your brave monarch Aegon 2 who spent 90% of the war sleeping cause he got owned in a battle by Rhaenys then ended up dying anyway. Remind me again which faction inherited the throne? Oh right, the Blacks.
Didn't Rhaenys die in that battle?
Not that it matters because Aegon II beat Rhaenyra. His reign was legitimized by *her* supporters, and Aegon III was his heir with the factions splitting power in the form of the regency council.
Yeah and Aegon 2 was killed by his supporters, atleast Rhaenyra's followers were loyal all the way to defeat. Hell even after her death Stark and Arryn were still loyal to her cause. Aegon 3 was murdered and the leader of the greens clapped in chains, along with every other green thrown into dungeons or executed, so ultimately Blacks won.
>tleast Rhaenyra's followers were loyal all the way to defeat. Hell even after her death Stark and Arryn were still loyal to her cause.
Doesn't sound like it since they didn't champion her reign as legitimate after her death.
I think it calls into question how much those victorious armies were Rhaenrya’s, if they were so cheerfully willing to strike her name from the roll of monarchs (which was probably all to their advantage, given how hated Rhaenrya was after her brutal occupation of King’s Landing led to the storming of the Dragonpit) and abandon the cause she had given her life for, or whether by that point they were fighting for vengeance and to overthrow the green faction and replace them in the halls of power.
The way the Blacks accepted to recognize Aegon II as the rightfull king during the war? Sound like an admission they supported an usurper woman.
No. Aegon III was Aegon II heir, and he took the throne while being married ti Aegon II's last surviving daughter. Sound like a very good compromise that made everyone happy, black or green.
Aegon II daughter was then murdererd few years later, but for reasons completely unrelated to the war. It was one of Aegon IIII's regents that wanted his daughter as queen.
gonna be cancelled before release, or maybe last one season
Is it a miniseries or will it stretched out over multiple seasons?
Does any event in ASOIAF lore outdo the Dance of the Dragons in terms of number of retcons?
Originally Rhaenyra and Aegon II were full-blooded siblings, for example, and the branches were reconciled after their deaths by Aegon III wedding Aegon II's daughter and producing heirs (no second wife was mentioned).
But after GRRM started getting more into the "dangerous women" writing theme he started making more changes, and that included whipping up the whole Princess and the Queen backstory and later cutting Aegon II's line out entirely.
I just wonder why.
the WOIAF extended report of the war was wrote by Elio and Linda, big femminism shills.
They really fricked up a lot of the backstory. It's weird they're even allowed to write since at least one of them never even read all the novels.
>She was fighting for her rights
And she lost.
Ultimately the Great Council of 101's male preference version of inheritance law was upheld, and with the dead of Rhaenyra the usurper her own supporters agreed she'd been in the wrong and struck her name.
I read the books years ago. Can someone give me qrd of the different types of Valyrians please?
Aegon III's first regency council.
>Lady Jeyne Arryn - BLACK
>Lord Royce Caron - GREEN
>Ser Torrhen Manderly - BLACK
>Lord Manfryd Mooton- BLACK turned GREEN
>Grand Maester Munkun - NEITHER
>Lord Corlys Velaryon - BLACK turned GREEN
>Lord Roland Westerling - GREEN
> Hourse of trannies
> troony of the dragon
Already unwatchable Black folkhit like the Witcher.
I used to support the Blacks but after Blood & Cheese frick them, Greens all the way.
Blood and Cheese was revenge for Aemond's edginess. He killed a messenger which is a barbaric act even by Westeros standards. It was deserved.
An Eye for an Eye is not a westerosi law. The only one who should had been punished was Aemond, not his newphers
It was direct provocation by the Greens. Killing a member of the royal family in a peacetime situation is a grevious crime, and they knew this well considering how shocked and scared Alicent was when she heard about it
>battle
It was no battle, it was cold blooded murder, he killed him despite the other kid refusing to fight since it was an envoy mission. Infact he literally chased him down and murdered him cause Aemond's a psychopath. The response may not be exactly proportional but it was still deserved.
>deserved
By who? The child who wasn't involved? The mother who wasn't there?
You sound like a sociopath.
>green propaganda, slander and strawman
Ah yes, the "muh poor children" argument. Well if they didn't want their children to suffer maybe should've tried not being usurping power hungry psychopaths murdering royal heirs in broad daylight?
>bastard
Reminder that Viserys would had the tongue torn out of people who spread such pathetic rumors. The Blacks were the rightful heirs and the entire realm suffered cause Alicent the hightower prostitute refused to obey Vicerys wishes and instead crowned her own son king.
>children who weren't there deserve to die
>if you disagree it's slander and propaganda
No wonder Rhaenyra's supporters and own son ended up abandoning her cause
Lucerys was like 12 when he was murdered. The Greens don't give a shit about kids either.
And don't pretend to ignore the countless kids Aemond murdered with his hit and run killings on Vhagher across the riverlands. What about them?
No wonder Aegon 2 ended up dead and the Greens ended up executed or imprisoned, they deserved it.
Squires fight and die in battles at that age. He was a dragonrider trying to gather military support for a usurper.
Aemond being nuts doesn't excuse murdering a child who wasn't even a squire and wasn't there.
No wonder the Greens ended up holding King's Landing and Rhaenyra went down in history as a traitor while Aegon II was king and Aegon III was guided by a Green regency council while the Blacks went home and accepted the Green peace.
>if they didn't want their children to suffer maybe should've
goddamn that's some demented sociopath shit
>sociopath shit
>doesn't denounce the coldblooder murder of a kid acting as an envoy on his mother's behalf who didn't even want to fight
More green slander. Cope.
>children who weren't there deserve to die
>if you disagree it's slander and propaganda
You sound insane, I’d say seethe but you’d probably murder a child so try to relax and stay away from children
Reminder that the Greens lost. Alicent was imprisoned, Aemond and Aegon murdered and all of Aegon 2's line ended up dead as well. The outcome of the DoD was a Black king on the throne, everything else is cope and seethe.
>Reminder that the Greens lost
>Aegon II was upheld as king by Aegon III and the Blacks, Rhaenyra went down as a usurper
hmm
Rhaenyra lost.
The Blacks categorically lost. Aegon III wasn't a "Black" king he was Aegon II's nephew and heir.
the blacks abandoned rhaenyra's cause and agreed aegon 2 was king and rhaenyra was never queen
Using that sort of logic you can say the entire thing was pointless and nobody won because eventually Viserys II and his line inherited the throne.
He was absent for the entire war and married some wealthy random from Essos.
leave him to his coping and seething
>acting as an envoy on his mother's behalf
A dragon rider trying to gather military power for his mother to take the throne is a legitimate target tho. What kind of envoy do you think he was?
Lucerys was a bastard. Stop pretending he belonged to the royal family.
Wasn’t Luke the dragon rider the same bastard who tried to murder Aemond before? Sounds deserved.
Yes. Him and his Bros bullied for years Aemond because he was dragonless. And when Aemond tamed the epic Godzilla-like dragon Lucerys wanted for himself, him and his brothers ganged up against Aemond like a bunch of cowardly Black folk and caved him one of his eyes
(And he wasnt punished in any way for It, despite Aemond being one of the King's sons)
Lol this is just straight up fantasy. Aemond was about to kill Joffrey when his brothers came to save him and were forced to use a knife to fend off Aemond, Aemond was the bully and got what he deserved from that.
>Aemond was about to kill Joffrey
according to who? the three strongs were the only ones to draw steel and ganged up on aemond.
Aemond hit Joffrey first and would've killed him after mounting Vhagar, the master who wrote Fire and Blood has a Green bias and often glosses over the crimes of the usurper family.
Cope, Aemond wanted to kill him under Baratheon's roof, but that lord knew it was a crime to kill envoys and forbade it. Nothing justifies Aemond murdering Lucerys before the war even began, and even then he was acting as a messanger which makes the crime even more deplorable.
>the master
moon boy, please, your posts are getting sillier
Seethe, Aemond was demented but a dragon rider squire delivering a military request is still a viable target while children who weren’t there aren’t
>NOOOOO JUST LEAVE MY USURPING TRAITOROUS WELPS ALIVE SO THAT THEY CAN ENGINEER DOD 2.0 AND COMMIT MORE ATROCITIES
blood and Cheese did nothing wrong.
Too edgy, try to be subtle next time.
>three 10 year olds were about to kill a grown adult
Lol Joff was fricking 8, and Jace was like 12.
Aemond was practically a man grown
>you need to be older for steel to work
weird that he lost an eye then
lol i hope you were joking and not serious, dumb homosexual
Aemond had it coming, it was literally at their aunts funeral.
He's lucky it was only an eye
>Aemond had it coming
By that logic so did Luke.
Lucerys was going to litterally do the same. He Just seethee because Aemond acted more quickly.
And no, Laena wasnt their "aunt". Not a single drop of Velaryon blood on them.
>the strong boys cut out a relative's eye at their aunts funeral
Bastard blood will tell.
Enough with the green slanders. They were the trueborn childrens of princess Rhaenyra and ser Laenor Velaryon. Litterally no proofs they were bastard
They were also helped by their two older female cousins, one of them being basically Visenya reborn.
Give slighty younger people against a 15 years old boy alone its still a cowardly act
>Give
*Five
They were even younger. Jace was 9, Luke was 8 and Joff was 4 while Aemond was 11
Why not kill Aemond instead of an innocent child? All Blood & Cheese does is prove the Blacks are deranged.
>even by Westeros standards
???
How is murdering a child in front of his mother and siblings after threatening to kill all of them morally equivalent to killing a dragonrider in battle?
Why not kill Aemond? Killing someone else’s child for something a different person did is the kind of Black person action you’d expect from a Black.
Cause Aemond was next in line according to Green heresay and protected all the time? Alicent should've thrown him into the dungeons, that would've still shown that his action was condemned. But she didn't give a shit, so she deserves the response, which would never have occurred if they didn't directly murder Rhaenyra's son btw.
The child and his siblings and mother deserved the response from family members because of what other family members did?
Shit like that is why King's Landing and the Blacks grew to hate Rhaenyra. That's sociopath shit.
Always do the opposite of what the Hightowers say.
Funny how they're still rich, power and a massive family while the Velaryons are poor, pathetic and practically extinct.
Hol up, we fiina dump this bleached mop rag on kang
So you telling me there's just homies running around with giant balloons to send people into the stratosphere????
I'm sorry I just replied to this thread instead of making my own I'm so embarrassed
Its okay. Join us for the HOTD greens vs blacks console war autism. You are gonna read about It in the catalog a lot from next week onwards.
(Greens were in the right BTW)
Well, since you gave me a polite (you), this is the first i've ever heard about it, and I'm easily influenced... I'll guess I'll have to watch this show and start shit posting with you. #killallblacks
Wonderful! Happy to met someone in this god forsaken taiwanese animated drawings forum with good manners.
You think HBO are idiots?
You were never target audience but you will help them reach that audience by posting about it nonstop when its released. This is new age of guerillla marketing - anti wokism who spam "go woke, go broke" while discussing said product to keep it in minds of people.
You will keep making those threads because thats your role in this whole thing.
>noo stop talking negatively about it that's what they WANT you to do
Yeah sure fricktard, that's why YouTube disabled dislike views, because corporations just love negative attention
The Greens were right. I don't even really blame Rhaenyra it was mostly her father's fault.
Lmao they've oranged the white actors up so they can orange up the younger actors to try make them look mix raced. It looks so fricking stupid.
is it true that Alicent gives a footjob to an incel?
Yes to pic related, the master of whispers of the green faction. She basically paid him for his job by allowing him to cum on her feets
This alone made him an Extreme loyalists of the greens BTW
Forgot the pic dammit
House of the Dragon Kangz is going to breath fire back into this multi billion dollar franchise
are normies actually going to watch this?
We'll never know because in the age of streaming they can just lie about the numbers and make anything look like a success
>In 120 AC, when Aemond was ten years old, his brother-in-law, Ser Laenor Velaryon, died. Aemond accompanied his parents and siblings to Driftmark to attend Laenor's funeral. King Viserys had suggested traveling to Dragonstone after the funeral, and informed Aemond, who out of all his siblings was the only one yet without a dragon of his own, that he could claim a dragon egg or hatchling on Dragonstone for his own, if he was "bold enough". Annoyed by his father's comment, Aemond resolved to claim Vhagar, the eldest of the dragons, who had recently become riderless with the death of Laena Velaryon. Vhagar was present on Driftmark, and Aemond, who knew that his parents would not allow him near the dragon, went to make his attempt in secret.
>Aemond was caught by his three-year-old nephew, Prince Joffrey. In an attempt to keep him quiet, Aemond slapped and threatened the younger boy, before shoving him into a pile of dragon droppings. When Joffrey began to yell, Aemond climbed on top of Vhagar's back. The dragon broke free of her chains, and Aemond flew two circles before landing. Joffrey, however, had alarmed his two older siblings, Jacaerys and Lucerys Velaryon. The four boys fought with wooden training swords, until Aemond called his nephews "Strongs". Jacaerys, old enough to understand the insult, attacked Aemond again. When Aemond gained the upper hand and began to beat Jacaerys savagely, Lucerys drew his dagger and slashed at Aemond's face, taking out his right eye.
One eyed kinslayer fricker had it coming
>strong boy escalates wooden sword fight of 3-on-1 into attempted murder
Sounds like Luke really did have it coming.
I retract my earlier statements, the Greens were clearly in the right here.
>ignore the fact that Aemon almost killed a 4yr old, started beating up the rightful heir to the throne and called them all Bastards
Should've had his tongue out. This just proves greens were powerhungry psychos, both Aegon and Aemond were little shits, atleast Rhaenyra's sons were sane
>almost killed
According to… ?
He slapped and threatened a 3 yr old then tried to drown him in dragon droppings.
Where did the “almost killed” part come from? It’s not in any of the books.
They may be strong but bastards are never sane, you can tell from the way they gang up three to one on someone and still have to draw steel first
Literal Black person pack mentality
>brothers should just stand by and let their brother be murdered by a psycho
Exactly the kind of shlop one would expect from a Green. Reminder Aegon 2 didn't even want to be king and was actually content with Rhaenyra ascending the throne, the Hightower prostitute poisoned his mind claiming Rhaenyra would murder them all(Green propaganda) and manipulated him into accepting title of King(which he never was cause he usurped the throne)
>The four boys fought with wooden training swords
>Lucerys drew his dagger and slashed at Aemond's face, taking out his right eye.
lucerys sounds like a little sociopathic shit, wow
>When Aemond gained the upper hand and began to beat Jacaerys savagely.
>with wooden training swords they're all using on each other
>began to beat Jacaerys savagely
>with wooden training swords they're all using on each other and that that Jacaerys also has (plus two brothers similarly armed supporting him)
Two brothers who were almost babies. Aemond had it coming and was a pussy for loosing his eye to a baby
>fighting with wooden swords
"Almost baby" boys in ASOIAF fight with wooden swords all the time. Escalating to steel and attempted murder is sociopathic.
should just stand by and let their brother be murdered by a psycho
Aemond's brothers weren't there, only the Strong boys were and they were the only to bare steel.
All 3 boys weren't even 10 at that time, so yes almost babies
Don’t need to be grown up to kill with steel, anon. Kind of a shit argument you have.
Yeah, but seems like you need to be a grow up to not loose your eye to three babies
>a grow up
So Aemond wasn't even an adult and they still felt the need to draw steel on him?
Cowardly.
What part of
>began to beat Jace savagely
Don't you understand? Aemond would have killed Jace, who was the crown prince and the heir apparent
>Aemond would have killed Jace
According to who? They’re all fighting with wooden training swords.
>began to beat Jace savagely
>with wooden training swords they're all using on each other
It obviously started with wooden swords, then Aemond knocked the younger kids down and began to beat Jace to death.
Come on anon it's not hard to imagine a teenager would beat some kids.
The text doesn’t mention anything but the wooden training swords or that anyone was close to being beaten to death.
>BEGAN. TO. BEAT. JACE. SAVAGELY.
>with a wooden sword that jace and his two brother were also armed with
Aemond was not even 3 years older than oldest Strong boy. It wasnt fair at all.
>It wasnt fair at all
Now it isn't fair? Aemond chasing Lucerys on the largest dragon while Luke had a smaller dragon wasn't fair.
What would have been fair?
Aemond having a little bit of brain and not killing Lucerys because he was still seething he lost his eye to him
Sounds like neither of them had a brain. Maiming a guy with a bigger dragon is dangerously moronic.
Lucerys probably shouldn't have started a feud with someone with a bigger dragon.
>almost babies
>babies
lol they get younger with every strawman
Yeah, they were newborn
Don’t need to be grown up to kill with steel, anon. Kind of a shit argument you have.
>The four boys fought with wooden training swords
>Lucerys drew his dagger and slashed at Aemond's face
What a cowardly frick.
yeah lucerys was always pretty cowardly
>They may be strong but bastards are never sane, you can tell from the way they gang up three to one on someone and still have to draw steel first
>Literal Black person pack mentality
this
>While he was an unforgiving person, Aemond would later say that he considered losing an eye to be a fair trade in exchange for obtaining Vhagar.
>King Viserys held a feast to celebrate the return of his health. After the king had left the feast, Aemond toasted his three Velaryon cousins, speaking of their appearance, mocking them as "three strong boys".
More like Aemond Based-Eye
>>King Viserys held a feast to celebrate the return of his health. After the king had left the feast, Aemond toasted his three Velaryon cousins, speaking of their appearance, mocking them as "three strong boys".
Should be easy to tell now
Does Aemond have sex
Yes. With both an hot Baratheon tomboy, AND a hot mommy witch several years older than him. He also knocked up the second one as well.
Between Vhagar and them, he was full of b***hes
reminder that the whole thing was a maester/faith op and oldtown must burn
>On the twenty-second day of the fifth month of 130 AC, Aemond and Daemon, mounted on their dragons, engaged in the Battle Above the Gods Eye. The duel ended with the two dragons crashing to the floor while Prince Daemon stabbed Aemond in his eye with the Valyrian steel sword Dark Sister. Aemond's body, chained to Vhagar's saddle, sank into the lake. His body (along with Vhagar's skull) was recovered years later, with Dark Sister still through his eye-socket.
Why are there shit stains in white wigs in Westeros?
If they wanted blacks, why not cast them for roles that would actually make sense? Why make them part of a family that commits literal incest to stay pure?
That's exactly the point, they're trying to push black as indistinguishable from white by implying the purity obsessed Targs wouldn't care
based or cringe?
shame he never got that targaryen pussy for one of his sons
Replace "little girl" with "little boy" and "disarm you" with "cut your eye out" and you have Aemond
Looks like Aemond was an even bigger b***h than Joffrey. Figures he went for Vhaegar, he wanted to compensate for his micropenis.
Bad comparison
In this case the strong boys are the Joff since they're the only ones who drew steel on someone armed with a wooden training sword (hey, there's even a Joffrey in the pack!)
underrated
SHHHIIEEEEEEEEEEEET
>Orwyle was an archmaester of the Citadel who later became Grand Maester. He served during the reigns of kings Viserys I and Aegon II Targaryen.
>Orwyle was of noble birth.
What the frick happened between the Dance and GoT? Did they kill all the black people?
>Ayooo we wuz the maestars conspirators n'shit
Same thing that happened to all the black elves and dwarves in Ring of Power, the great purges happen and all records are changed
The Strong Boys are based
*dead
ftfy
At least you admit they’re bastards and their mother is a prostitute
Patriarchy forced her in a marriage with an homosexual individual. She had the right to fullfill her sexual urgers, like anyone else.
And yet a prostitute and her 3 bastards were better fit to the Iron Throne than the hightowers scum and six fingers
>And yet a prostitute and her 3 bastards
lol even Blacks are admitting she was a prostitute and traitor now
no wonder the Black armies in King's Landing maintained Aegon II as the rightful king
Obvious grift. It's clear they were true Targs, Viserys himself mandated the cutting out of lying tongues that perpetuated this foolish slander. Aemond should've had his tongue cut out long back for being a seething moron.
>Viserys himself mandated the cutting out of lying tongues
>left Aemond's tongue in
Viserys confirmed for suspecting the truth, good catch
>more green cope
Too bad the entire Alicent line ended innit?
Strong line too, and Rhaenyra died a usurper whille all her supporters and her son declared Aegon II the true king. It's a sad world.
Yup.
Exactly. The bastardy was an open secret.
himself mandated the cutting out of lying tongues
>>left Aemond's tongue in
Never caught that but you're right, he must have suspected.
He did suspect, that's why he had the Strings killed in Harrenhal.
That murder was never traced back to Viserys. Infact it was never proved to be a murder at all. It's just ramblings of Green schizos, nothing else.
>That murder was never traced back to Viserys. >Infact it was never proved to be a murder at all.
lol ok schizo
>Viserys killed Lyonel and Harwin Strong
Nah. It was prob Larys. That fricker had much to gain with his father and brother's deaths
No point in arguing with you that Rhaenyra wasn't a prostitute, she slept with two men (and one of them was her second husband).
And no point in denying that Jace, Luke and Joff weren't bastards, which is funny since they would be better Kings than Alicent's entire line with the exception of Daeron.
What would have made the Strong boys such good kings?
>Strong
Proof? Or are we just accepting Green LARP as fact now?
The boys are white
Viserys ordered liars to have their tongues cut out.
When Aemond called them Strong boys he didn't have Aemond's tongue removed. Simple as.
He had the tongues of half the Velaryons for claiming they were Strongs, Aemond was a pussy and never said it around his father otherwise he'd be missing a tongue too.
No one liked the Velaryons and Viserys knew Aemond was based and not a liar
There is none.
It's just as likely that each boy has a different father, or that they're all Laenors kids.
Even in the show its possible. Laenor is only half black, the kids would be 1/4 and could have gotten their hair from their Baratheon grandmother or Aeyrnn grandmother
Would Rhaenyra really be so loose?
The leak confirm that in a episode Rhaenyra reveals to Jacy that their real father is Harwin Strong. Hence why he viciously attack Aemond after his remark
>Rhaenyra is a confirmed prostitute
Her husband was cool with it, he was a gold star homosexual. Rhaenyra only slept with three men in her life, she’s much less of a prostitute than Cersei Lannister.
Cersei is funny and based, Rhaenyra is cringe and dour
The show is not canon but an adaptation where the directors took liberties with the plot. Nothing is confirmed in the books.
One of the kid is litterally named "Joffrey". I cant think of a more blatant "wink wink" to the readers.
um akshtually he's named Joffrey because his cuck gay "father" wanted to name him after his dead gay lover
That's the in-universe justification. But Martin intentions behind that name is clear.
Jacy apparently was really appreaciated by everyone, especially Viserys
Lucerys sounds like a jealous whiny b***h that eventually got what he deserved.
Joff was really too young to be judged. But that name was an omnious Omen.
Jace Velaryon
>Was responsible, bold and politically savvy.
>Got the loyalty of House Grafton of Gulltown, House Arryn, House Sunderland, House Manderly and House Stark.
>Planned to protect his youngest brother at Pentos
>Got the Dragonseed ideas
While F&B never bothered with Luke Velaryon, Luke was Corlys' heir to Driftmark so he must have been teached by Corlys himself, who was one of the smartest men in Westeros and was honourable and dutiful.
As for Joff, same thing that happened with Luke, and even though he was only 12, he wanted to fight for Rhaenyra.
>I want to fight for you, Mother, as my brothers did. Let me prove that I am as brave as they were.
Nothing, they were all kind of shitty in different ways
>Dies by falling from dragons
Than martian-like creature was the "Delight of the Realm"??
looks like hunter
Riddle me this batman, how does their children look like that
>We wuz targaryens and shieet frickin with the dragons in ar crib.
WE
U
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DRAGONLORDS N' SHIAT
Blood of old Valyria, dawg
So why would you watch this when the last series was so bad?
Rhaenyra is a lying prostitute. She's been fricking Criston and Harwin Strong and probably Mushroom for all I know.
Cersei
>Queen
>Daughter of the Most Powerful Man
>Bastard named Joffrey
>Slept with a Kingsguard who later became Lord Commander
>Survived her three bastards
>Was abandoned by her ex kingsguard lover
>Incestuous with her twin brother
>Parents were cousins
>Younger brother whom she hates
>Paranoid after the death of her son
>Was once the Most Beautiful Woman in Westeros
Rhaenyra
>Queen
>Daughter of the Most Powerful Man
>Bastard named Joffrey
>Slept/Tried to sleep with a Kingsguard who later became the LC
>Survived her three bastards
>Was abandoned/betrayed by her ex kingsguard lover/protector
>Incestuous with her uncle
>Parents were cousins
>Younger brothers whom she hates
>Paranoid after her son's death
>Hated by King's Landing
>Was once the Most Beautiful Woman in Westeros
Why is Rhaenyra overwhelmingly supported on Reddit?
She's a lying bawd. Cuckold love her.
YAAAS QUEEEEN
What did you except? Can't wait their reaction for six bites
Rhaenyra fought her own war. Aegon 2 was a pussy who fell early in the war and had it fought for him cause he was a moron who didn't have the chops for warfare. That makes Rhaenyra superior to a ""king"" who can't into battles and almost died despite having 2 dragons on his side.
Rhaenyra lost her war and got eaten by dragon whilst begging for her life, lmao
Aegon 2 didn't even fight a war and died as a poppy addicted obese junkie in a litter. Rhaenyra didn't cry btw and faced her death like a true monarch, as if anybody needed anymore proof of the validity of her claim.
Meanwhile Aegon the pussy wanted to have his cousin Baela executed cause she dared fight back when he attacked. In fact it's hilarious, he fought on his dragon 2 times and was btfo both times lol
cope troony, you lost
>seething sodomite btfo like his moron king
Many such cases. Sad!
Rhaenyra lost to Aegon and was eaten by his dragon
The blacks are literally a collection of Black folk, prostitutes and queers.