>While you prostituted around in nightclubs doing hookers and blow, I studied the blade >Master Bruce, please stop standing in the rain and come inside, you can glare at your old schoolmates where its dry
Batman shouldn't be dark, lonely and edgy. He shouldn't be the a nut job who belongs in Arkham. He should be a hero. One who defends others to prevent the misfortune that caused him pain from happening to them. He says he is the night but he is the dawn.
Spider-Man is a bright sunny day. While I don't think Batman IS the dawn I think him being a hero of the night, the anti-boogeyman, is important, not a vampiric figure one step away from mental breakage
>While I don't think Batman IS the dawn I think him being a hero of the night, the anti-boogeyman
That's still Spider-Man, he's not a happy go lucky adorable UwU nice boy, he use tactics to be a boogeyman to villains.
Batman's shtick is that crime fighting is a cynical, burdensome duty. It's not about protecting people as it is eliminating crime. Superman fights evil to protect others as a calling for being gifted but Batman does it to eradicate crime as a way to live with himself.
If you want to include all his history, including the various Robins and Batgirls, without trying to condense it all down like the New 52 did, then he has to start in early 20s at the latest, being in his 30s in the current year. Damian alone requires at least a decade, if not more.
Though that also means his training has to happen during his teen years, which is another problem, unless DC allows present day Batman to be in his 40s.
Frank Miller had him start at 25 in Year One, Scott Snyder moved that up to 27 because he debuted in Detective Comics #27 so he decided that needed to be a repeating meme number, these days I don't think anyone cares to nail down specifics.
>unless DC allows present day Batman to be in his 40s
I figured this to be the case anyway because Dick exists.Bruce was already Batman when Dick was a kid and he's had Jason, Tim, Sephanie, and Damian as Robin since, with a much older Dick now going around as Nightwing.
I'd say he can begin the training very early. leave gotham months after his parents die to go to a series of foreign boarding schools as a cover to learn from the best in some fields(alfred is sending him to his Special forces contacts), begins league of assasin training at 14 to perfect the marshal and stealth aspects and returns to gotham full time at 20.
Making him 25 gives him 7 years to train as Bruce would leave Gotham after turning 18.
the best weightlifters and martial artists began early, like 10, with good teachers. plenty of soldiers and warriors began their careers at 15, some younger.
If I were a writer I would have Bruce and Batman be separate personalities. Whenever one is using the body, the other is present as a tulpa. The Bruce tulpa offers a moral compass to the cold and violent Batman, while the Batman tulpa offers advice and observations to the socialite billionaire. Instead of using their relation for drama and conflict, I would have them as buddy cops.
At some point the Joker would escape from Arkham Asylum and confront Batman, being livid over his treatment at the asylum. Among other things the Joker would force feed Batman his own meds, causing Bruce to disappear. Instead of becoming an unrestrained fiend, Batman would break down and cry at the loss. And also beat the shit out of the Joker. Bruce would reappear after the meds have worn off. The two would agree they never wish to be apart again and then merge into a single personality.
I'd stay away from Two Face out of respect for his fans. Batman gets content all the time. When someone messes up, it doesn't last long or it gets lost in the sea of Bat content. Lesser characters don't have that.
I remember reading this one fanfic where after Jason dies, Bruce decides that while Batman still can't kill, he decides to kill the Joker as Bruce Wayne instead. As a result, Bruce Wayne ends up becoming a serial killer, and he goes through a mental break and starts fully dissociating. So you get Bruce Wayne laying down schemes as a supervillain, and Batman who is still a morally upstanding superhero, playing 4D chess against each other, trying to foil each other's efforts Jekyll and Hyde style.
I don't remember the exact name for it, but I recall it being a part of a series that uses the "Dark Bruce Wayne" tag on AO3, just sort the results by number of likes.
Unfortunately, I also recall that it had a good amount of Batfam OOCness and fluff attached to it though, so I'm probably remembering it more favourably for the Jekyll and Hide concept than for the actual writing.
It would be interesting to see someone take this concept and just run with it in a proper Elseworlds story for sure. Imagine: >Bruce Wayne rigs one of the corrupt mayoral electoral candidate's penthouse with 3 kilotons of C4 >Batman finds ways to delay the candidate's flight over and over to keep him out of the state until the election is over >Batman arrests a gang and gets them life sentence in Blackgate >Bruce Wayne uses subtle blackmail to turn the gang members against each other in prison, resulting in two thirds of the convicts dead
lol, how moronic do you have to be to beleive this nepobaby Bruce Wayne is Batman.
Next thing you idiots tell me that b***h reporter Clark Kent is Superman.
This.
Bruce Wayne has arrested developement and PTSD from childhood drama. Instead of tackling it head on, he directed his fears into an unhealthy obsession, where he created a new persona and physically attacked mentally ill people on a weekly basis, instead of finding other ways to help them, or invest in Gotham's infrastructure.
There is a good chance he has aspergers too.
>instead of finding other ways to help them, or invest in Gotham's infrastructure.
Is Gotham's issue really one of infrastructure? It mostly seems like it's just ridden with sociopaths.
a neurodevelopmental condition of variable severity with lifelong effects that can be recognized from early childhood, chiefly characterized by difficulties with social interaction and communication and by restricted or repetitive patterns of thought and behaviour.
"anon's stubborn insistance on denying the existence of autism could be a symptom of autism and repressed homosexual tendencies."
Batman SHOULD be insane.
That's what makes him interesting. The fact that he had his parents killed in front of him as a child and, instead of helping combat Gotham's crime with his political influence, he puts on a bat costume and beats the shit out of criminals in alleyways as both a form of stress relief and vigilante self-imposed justice.
homosexuals out there wanting him to be Superman but introverted.
Bruce doesn't have autism anyway, he's more obsessive-compulsive and a classic introvert who's good at faking non-intimate(as in close, not necessarily romantic) interactions.
I like constantly brooding edgy antisocial Batman when it's early in his career but I can't see him being that stunted while also having a Batfamily of like 7 people around. He should be more well adjusted and a bit lighter by that point.
Mentally ill bats makes no sense and it's stupid as frick.
It only works on stories where Gotham exist in a vacuum and batman is the only relevant hero. Outside of that you can't reasonably have an overly antisocial Batman without rising some questions.
How is this guy that helped found the justice league mentally unwell? One would think that any of his colleagues would try to send him to therapy or at least help him in any way, specially if he explicitly says the reason he doesn't kill is because that might cause him to become a psychopath that can't stop killing villains. The JL has people like Martian Manhunter that can read minds so it's not like he can hide how fricked up he is.
How can batman have a Batfamily if he is an sociopath? At least someone would notice this guy is actually dangerous and would try to do something about it.
This is worse when the writers make it so Bats and Joker have this awful "game" dynamic where both expect the other to play the role of Villain/hero respectively, Batman is supposed to be traumatized because of what happened to his parents he would never engage in such a dynamic with a criminal, even less so one as dangerous as Joker. And ANY superhero who gets even a suspicion about this would Inmediately deal with the Joker permanently causing Bats to lose his shit or something.
He should be putting on an act of being a deranged vampire edgelord, while really just being someone who is trying to stop the same sort of shit that made him. But that would require writers who can accept that comic books are for children first and foremost and not sad adults who either crave validation through fiction or want the silly men and women in bright tights to be reflections of the real world.
For crying out loud, he's a guy who dresses up like a bat to punch a clown, a flightless bird, and a human icebox.
>While you prostituted around in nightclubs doing hookers and blow, I studied the blade
>Master Bruce, please stop standing in the rain and come inside, you can glare at your old schoolmates where its dry
Batman shouldn't be dark, lonely and edgy. He shouldn't be the a nut job who belongs in Arkham. He should be a hero. One who defends others to prevent the misfortune that caused him pain from happening to them. He says he is the night but he is the dawn.
Ins't that just Spider-Man.
Shhhhhhh
Spider-Man is a bright sunny day. While I don't think Batman IS the dawn I think him being a hero of the night, the anti-boogeyman, is important, not a vampiric figure one step away from mental breakage
>While I don't think Batman IS the dawn I think him being a hero of the night, the anti-boogeyman
That's still Spider-Man, he's not a happy go lucky adorable UwU nice boy, he use tactics to be a boogeyman to villains.
Very rarely
>Batman shouldn't be dark, lonely and edgy
I disagree
Batman's shtick is that crime fighting is a cynical, burdensome duty. It's not about protecting people as it is eliminating crime. Superman fights evil to protect others as a calling for being gifted but Batman does it to eradicate crime as a way to live with himself.
Horrible opinion. Batman should be a horrible person with a failed life because that's what the superhero lifestyle does to you.
Batman was an overall happy person until Frank Miller made him miserable. Golden Age Batman even married Catwoman and had a daughter.
I agree.
What is the right age for Bruce to become Batman? YJ stated that he started at 21, while Dark Knight iirc he was 30.
If you want to include all his history, including the various Robins and Batgirls, without trying to condense it all down like the New 52 did, then he has to start in early 20s at the latest, being in his 30s in the current year. Damian alone requires at least a decade, if not more.
Though that also means his training has to happen during his teen years, which is another problem, unless DC allows present day Batman to be in his 40s.
Frank Miller had him start at 25 in Year One, Scott Snyder moved that up to 27 because he debuted in Detective Comics #27 so he decided that needed to be a repeating meme number, these days I don't think anyone cares to nail down specifics.
Making him 25 gives him 7 years to train as Bruce would leave Gotham after turning 18.
>unless DC allows present day Batman to be in his 40s
I figured this to be the case anyway because Dick exists.Bruce was already Batman when Dick was a kid and he's had Jason, Tim, Sephanie, and Damian as Robin since, with a much older Dick now going around as Nightwing.
Batman’s 35. Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t make sense, he’s 35 always.
I'd say he can begin the training very early. leave gotham months after his parents die to go to a series of foreign boarding schools as a cover to learn from the best in some fields(alfred is sending him to his Special forces contacts), begins league of assasin training at 14 to perfect the marshal and stealth aspects and returns to gotham full time at 20.
the best weightlifters and martial artists began early, like 10, with good teachers. plenty of soldiers and warriors began their careers at 15, some younger.
Straight from 1939.
I always liked how Batman Year one portrayed it.
I prefer the original pages tbqh
>an adult vampire bat weighs barely over a single ounce
How hard did this little guy hit the glass to shatter it?
It was just a small bat that made it into the mansion. Bruce had a delusion where he envisioned it as a massive creature of darkness.
What if someone had thrown a dildo through the window?
have you ever heard of Hentai kamen?
If I were a writer I would have Bruce and Batman be separate personalities. Whenever one is using the body, the other is present as a tulpa. The Bruce tulpa offers a moral compass to the cold and violent Batman, while the Batman tulpa offers advice and observations to the socialite billionaire. Instead of using their relation for drama and conflict, I would have them as buddy cops.
At some point the Joker would escape from Arkham Asylum and confront Batman, being livid over his treatment at the asylum. Among other things the Joker would force feed Batman his own meds, causing Bruce to disappear. Instead of becoming an unrestrained fiend, Batman would break down and cry at the loss. And also beat the shit out of the Joker. Bruce would reappear after the meds have worn off. The two would agree they never wish to be apart again and then merge into a single personality.
feel that would work better as a two-face story
I'd stay away from Two Face out of respect for his fans. Batman gets content all the time. When someone messes up, it doesn't last long or it gets lost in the sea of Bat content. Lesser characters don't have that.
I remember reading this one fanfic where after Jason dies, Bruce decides that while Batman still can't kill, he decides to kill the Joker as Bruce Wayne instead. As a result, Bruce Wayne ends up becoming a serial killer, and he goes through a mental break and starts fully dissociating. So you get Bruce Wayne laying down schemes as a supervillain, and Batman who is still a morally upstanding superhero, playing 4D chess against each other, trying to foil each other's efforts Jekyll and Hyde style.
Sounds kino. How can I find it so I can read it?
I don't remember the exact name for it, but I recall it being a part of a series that uses the "Dark Bruce Wayne" tag on AO3, just sort the results by number of likes.
Unfortunately, I also recall that it had a good amount of Batfam OOCness and fluff attached to it though, so I'm probably remembering it more favourably for the Jekyll and Hide concept than for the actual writing.
It would be interesting to see someone take this concept and just run with it in a proper Elseworlds story for sure. Imagine:
>Bruce Wayne rigs one of the corrupt mayoral electoral candidate's penthouse with 3 kilotons of C4
>Batman finds ways to delay the candidate's flight over and over to keep him out of the state until the election is over
>Batman arrests a gang and gets them life sentence in Blackgate
>Bruce Wayne uses subtle blackmail to turn the gang members against each other in prison, resulting in two thirds of the convicts dead
Thanks!
Legitimately, this would be an awesome idea for an original character.
>Tfw Batman could be a zoomer
>Tfw a couple years older than Batman
lol, how moronic do you have to be to beleive this nepobaby Bruce Wayne is Batman.
Next thing you idiots tell me that b***h reporter Clark Kent is Superman.
A little. He’s mentally ill to a certain extent. But now? The writers have turned into a second Joker. He’s fricking insane now.
This.
Bruce Wayne has arrested developement and PTSD from childhood drama. Instead of tackling it head on, he directed his fears into an unhealthy obsession, where he created a new persona and physically attacked mentally ill people on a weekly basis, instead of finding other ways to help them, or invest in Gotham's infrastructure.
There is a good chance he has aspergers too.
>instead of finding other ways to help them, or invest in Gotham's infrastructure.
Is Gotham's issue really one of infrastructure? It mostly seems like it's just ridden with sociopaths.
Gotham is cursed all the way to its foundations
Autism is a made up illness.
>t. autist
Define autism then.
a neurodevelopmental condition of variable severity with lifelong effects that can be recognized from early childhood, chiefly characterized by difficulties with social interaction and communication and by restricted or repetitive patterns of thought and behaviour.
"anon's stubborn insistance on denying the existence of autism could be a symptom of autism and repressed homosexual tendencies."
>difficulties with social interaction and communication and by restricted or repetitive patterns of thought and behaviour
Oh shit...
Batman SHOULD be insane.
That's what makes him interesting. The fact that he had his parents killed in front of him as a child and, instead of helping combat Gotham's crime with his political influence, he puts on a bat costume and beats the shit out of criminals in alleyways as both a form of stress relief and vigilante self-imposed justice.
homosexuals out there wanting him to be Superman but introverted.
I think he should at least be able to keep up the wastrel billionaire playboy facade.
Bruce doesn't have autism anyway, he's more obsessive-compulsive and a classic introvert who's good at faking non-intimate(as in close, not necessarily romantic) interactions.
Of course, Bruce isn't autistic at all lmao. I thought people said it as a joke.
Basically like Ted Bundy without being a serial killer.
is this autistic behavior?
>there are people who truly believe that not being a manbawd who accepts every single sexual advance is given to you is being autistic
No, that's being sensible
Stop being a coombrain
I like constantly brooding edgy antisocial Batman when it's early in his career but I can't see him being that stunted while also having a Batfamily of like 7 people around. He should be more well adjusted and a bit lighter by that point.
He has homosexual arm blades. What do you think?
He should literally be Elliot Rodgers, just substitute the mass murder of innocent people with the indiscriminate crippling of poor people.
Why do you people continue to equate criminals with the poor? What are you trying to say?
Mentally ill bats makes no sense and it's stupid as frick.
It only works on stories where Gotham exist in a vacuum and batman is the only relevant hero. Outside of that you can't reasonably have an overly antisocial Batman without rising some questions.
How is this guy that helped found the justice league mentally unwell? One would think that any of his colleagues would try to send him to therapy or at least help him in any way, specially if he explicitly says the reason he doesn't kill is because that might cause him to become a psychopath that can't stop killing villains. The JL has people like Martian Manhunter that can read minds so it's not like he can hide how fricked up he is.
How can batman have a Batfamily if he is an sociopath? At least someone would notice this guy is actually dangerous and would try to do something about it.
This is worse when the writers make it so Bats and Joker have this awful "game" dynamic where both expect the other to play the role of Villain/hero respectively, Batman is supposed to be traumatized because of what happened to his parents he would never engage in such a dynamic with a criminal, even less so one as dangerous as Joker. And ANY superhero who gets even a suspicion about this would Inmediately deal with the Joker permanently causing Bats to lose his shit or something.
He doesn't have to be a sociopath, just a bit mentally deranged.
He should be putting on an act of being a deranged vampire edgelord, while really just being someone who is trying to stop the same sort of shit that made him. But that would require writers who can accept that comic books are for children first and foremost and not sad adults who either crave validation through fiction or want the silly men and women in bright tights to be reflections of the real world.
For crying out loud, he's a guy who dresses up like a bat to punch a clown, a flightless bird, and a human icebox.
Um, Nightwingbros, how will we ever recover?