I heard that Jay in fact did all he could to halt their production and release, but Mike and Rich outvoted him. It nearly caused them to even separate if I remember correctly. There's clearly artistic differences between the crew, so I'm sure it's a matter of time before they split.
I heard that Jay in fact did all he could to halt their production and release, but Mike and Rich outvoted him. It nearly caused them to even separate if I remember correctly. There's clearly artistic differences between the crew, so I'm sure it's a matter of time before they split.
Wrong, newfag. Jay actually wrote the entire review for Episode I. Mike had given him a "blank cheque" on the review, saying he would read whatever he wrote, and Jay took him to task, spilling his real feelings onto the page.
I watched the Phanton Menace, The Clone Wars, and The Revenge of The Sith - and they were all gems. The worst you could say is that some of the dialogue was wooden but it didn't affect the world building. I remembered why so many great Star Wars content was directly inspired by the Prequels.
The shitty little side skits where he keeps people in his basement that go on and on are terrible but the analysis is still good. If they release a director’s cut with all that extraneous shit cut out, they’d gain tens of millies of views easy. It would be the easiest money they’ve ever made.
>but the analysis is still good
No, their arguments are Mauler-tier bad and they lied a lot. Because of them people still believe the prequels were all filmed in green screen.
>they lied a lot
Name a few lies. > Because of them people still believe the prequels were all filmed in green screen.
No one believes that. But there were lots and lots of green screen shots and they looked bad even for back then. TPM still looks the best out of the PT.
>Name a few lies.
"Everything is green screen"
"Lucas don't listen to people" (he literally reshot huge parts of ROTS after test screenings)
"Midiclorians are the Force" >No one believes that
Wrong. I remember the internet during 2008-2015 very well.
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>"Everything is green screen"
They never said that. There is lots of green screen and most of it looks shitty though. >"Lucas don't listen to people" (he literally reshot huge parts of ROTS after test screenings)
They never said that. I remember Mike/Plinkett saying nobody spoke up because they were afraid to and that George "got rid of anyone who questioned him long ago" >"Midiclorians are the Force"
They never said this either. And yes Midiclorians will always be a stupid idea. >Wrong. I remember the internet during 2008-2015 very well.
Stop going to r/starwars and you'll be fine, retard
Not at all, it made them famous, put them on the map and got attention from celebrities and writers in Hollywood that end up influencing the way they write their films. They reference them constantly as a point of authority and pride and I think they're very proud about those videos. And most of all, it makes autistic like your and that prequel apologist Rick Worley shit themselves. Damage controlling for a pretentious aspie twenty years later. Even though they'll never think about you, your opinions on them ever in their lives.
>Not at all, it made them famous, put them on the map and got attention from celebrities and writers in Hollywood that end up influencing the way they write their films. They reference them constantly as a point of authority and pride and I think they're very proud about those videos.
And then they did SPACE COP.
It's literally the only reason they've been able to settle into such an easy living, so not at all I'd imagine. Yes they gained a second wave of dedicated fans from BOTW, but there's no guarantee those videos would've taken off without the traction they already had from Plinkett and it's highly unlikely they would've been in a position where they think they could make a living off such videos to begin with.
They clearly do have a chip on their shoulder over it though, even a tinge of shame. They never address them during fan Q&As, and it's almost like they've refused to acknowledge their existence anymore.
probably because their half in the bag shit doesnt get nearly as many views, they dont like to put actual effort into things, not sure youve noticed or not.
It really is quite annoying how they managed to gaslight a generation into believing the prequels were bad. The prequels were generally warmly received on release, just look at reactions from moviegoers interviews after screenings. But then RedLetterMedia spread this viral meme that Reddit of course latched onto and spread. I'm glad the sequels allowed people to re-evaluate the prequels and finally gave them the praise they deserve.
Nigga I'm a core millennial, saw the rereleases in theaters and watched the originals (not 100% which versions tbh, it was a 3 VHS box set with vader, a stormtrooper, and an imperial guard on the boxes but they lacked the rerelease additional scenes) so much the tapes quit working. Star Wars was my favorite thing in the world, I was obsessed.
I was 9 years old when the phantom menace came out and I left the theater annoyed every time Anakin was on screen but thought the lightsaber fights and Darth Maul were cool.
At 12 years old I thought Attack of the Clones was bad with some cool stuff happening but I was much more invested in EU and video game stuff at that point.
At 15, RotS was the best-made but still fucking garbage and at that point I had a more coherent idea of what made a movie good or bad. I don't agree with every point the Plinkett reviews make but I do absolutely think they get at the essence of what doesn't work about the prequels.
The idea that a generation has been "gaslit" into believing the prequels were bad is just wrong. Zoomers saw the prequels when they were toddlers and liked the lights and sounds and it stuck as positive, and it's pure nostalgia there. The OT holds up as films in a way that the prequels dont.
And the Mouse sequels being dogshit in absolutely no way vindicate George or the Prequels.
The only part of the prequel reviews I think doesn't hold up is when Mike asks his friends to describe Star Wars characters. I don't think it's wrong necessarily, but of course your friends are gonna say what you want, and if they don't you'll just edit it.
i actually rewatched the prequels recently, and it is fucking unreal how bad they are. i would hesitate to even call them movies, they're more like boredom powered torture devices.
anyone who i ever see defend the prequels nowadays simply grew up with them. every time. i mean it's fine if you have nostalgia for it so watching them just makes you feel comfortable, but don't try to spin this retarded narrative of them being misunderstood genius somehow. they fail as film on almost every level
>"JJ Abrams would make a good Star Wars director."
They deadass killed it themselves.
Young Anakin cringe is just hard to watch, because most people have been there. What's left in isolation is pioneering digital film making on an audacious scale for the time; appreciate the visuals at least.
Imagine saying JJ could create a better Star Wars movie, only to find that no, no he could not. Embarrassing you and marking any future opinions you have for the rest of your life as completely retarded.
JJs directing was fine, peabrains. He didn't say he should write it
JJ cant't direct films without altering the script to shape his 'mystery box' approach to storytelling. That's why he couldn't stand george lucas' documentary approach and pressured disney to kick him off the project asap.
But really, we're having a dishonest discussion here. Mike Stoklasa wanted JJ precisely because of his approach to storytelling. He wanted Star Wars to get simpler (i.e. dumber). And JJ had a proven track record of making things dumb by the time Mike was appealing for a new director.
Imagine saying JJ could create a better Star Wars movie, only to find that no, no he could not. Embarrassing you and marking any future opinions you have for the rest of your life as completely retarded.
That JJ abrams quote should be stamped on Mike stoklasa's forehead with a branding iron. Public shaming is the only thing that can atone him.
Not at all since they were completely right. The prequels are shit and always will be. A handful of retarded contrarians on Cinemaphile won't change that.
Imagine saying JJ could create a better Star Wars movie, only to find that no, no he could not. Embarrassing you and marking any future opinions you have for the rest of your life as completely retarded.
>muh green screen >"Why didn't the corrupt Jedi help Anakin's mother?" >"Why didn't Obi-Wan act like a dumb gorilla when Maul kills Qui-Gon?" >THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!111
RLM popularized shitty, cynical Youtube essays. Because of them we have atrocities like Mauler.
>>muh green screen
A legit complaint. The green screen shots look like shit. >>"Why didn't the corrupt Jedi help Anakin's mother?"
A valid question. It's makes the Jedi look cruel and retarded. Yoda: "It's dangerous to train this Jedi, better make sure his mother stays a slave where she will mostly likely be raped and murdered in the near future. What could go wrong?" >>"Why didn't Obi-Wan act like a dumb gorilla when Maul kills Qui-Gon?"
Who says this? >>THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!111
A lot of things in the films didn't. >RLM popularized shitty, cynical Youtube essays.
Who cares. It would have happened eventually whether they did it or not.
Unlike marvel shit, the prequels are actually art. You will never see the protagonist of a mainstream blockbuster film kill children ever again. You will never see the protagonist of a mainstream blockbuster kill the arabs who raped his mother ever again. There is so much crazy shit buried underneath all of the jar jar retardation and pod racing.
That's the real tragedy of the prequels. There's a good movie in there. With a few script tweaks, editing cuts, and less CGI they would have been revered films.
I did a star wars marathon in lockdown and no, the prequels really are that bad. Not 'ruined my childhood' bad but there is nothing redeemable in those films but Natalie Portmans midriff. RLM are have a lot of bad takes but the prequel shit ain't one of them.
These fags would be nobodies without the Mr Plinkett videos, I remember when the ep 3 part first came out and both Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile were constantly having threads about it. Mr Plinkett was to RLM as AVGN was to Cinemassacre but fortunately for them they were able to grow beyond it unlike James did with AVGN.
No tenough. No amount of penance will absolve them.
Jay had nothing to do with the Plinkett reviews.
He weirded out Mike into moving to Arizona or wherever the fuck, and from his isolation Plinkett was born
Mike moved to Arizona because of the drama with arthoes in the Chicago wannabe filmmaker circle. Jay had nothing to do with it.
Jay was very involved in the drama.
Cinemaphile lore of rlm always makes me laugh
I heard that Jay in fact did all he could to halt their production and release, but Mike and Rich outvoted him. It nearly caused them to even separate if I remember correctly. There's clearly artistic differences between the crew, so I'm sure it's a matter of time before they split.
Wrong, newfag. Jay actually wrote the entire review for Episode I. Mike had given him a "blank cheque" on the review, saying he would read whatever he wrote, and Jay took him to task, spilling his real feelings onto the page.
Why? Those were their peak.
They've aged horribly, and have been proven false in their analysis. It's actually embarrassing to rewatch them just to see how off the mark they are.
No.
No matter how many times you make this thread, the prequels will always be shot-reverse-shot on sofas or 30 feet of track in a green room.
I rewatched Phantom Menace for the first time in over a decade today and it was just as gay as I remembered it
I watched the Phanton Menace, The Clone Wars, and The Revenge of The Sith - and they were all gems. The worst you could say is that some of the dialogue was wooden but it didn't affect the world building. I remembered why so many great Star Wars content was directly inspired by the Prequels.
TL;DR FUCK MIKE STOKLASA
Attack of the Clones was a lot better than I remembered too. Count Dooku is such an underrated character.
>have been proven false in their analysi
by whom? Mauler and his LGBTQI+ friends?
It's funny how you mention Mauler. The RLM prequels reviews were the precursor of those overlong, cynical, autistic, nitpicking Youtube essays.
The shitty little side skits where he keeps people in his basement that go on and on are terrible but the analysis is still good. If they release a director’s cut with all that extraneous shit cut out, they’d gain tens of millies of views easy. It would be the easiest money they’ve ever made.
>but the analysis is still good
No, their arguments are Mauler-tier bad and they lied a lot. Because of them people still believe the prequels were all filmed in green screen.
>they lied a lot
Name a few lies.
> Because of them people still believe the prequels were all filmed in green screen.
No one believes that. But there were lots and lots of green screen shots and they looked bad even for back then. TPM still looks the best out of the PT.
>Name a few lies.
"Everything is green screen"
"Lucas don't listen to people" (he literally reshot huge parts of ROTS after test screenings)
"Midiclorians are the Force"
>No one believes that
Wrong. I remember the internet during 2008-2015 very well.
>"Everything is green screen"
They never said that. There is lots of green screen and most of it looks shitty though.
>"Lucas don't listen to people" (he literally reshot huge parts of ROTS after test screenings)
They never said that. I remember Mike/Plinkett saying nobody spoke up because they were afraid to and that George "got rid of anyone who questioned him long ago"
>"Midiclorians are the Force"
They never said this either. And yes Midiclorians will always be a stupid idea.
>Wrong. I remember the internet during 2008-2015 very well.
Stop going to r/starwars and you'll be fine, retard
Just because the sequal managed to somehow be worse, doesn't make the prequels not shit.
> lying and being deceitful was their peak
grim
Not at all, it made them famous, put them on the map and got attention from celebrities and writers in Hollywood that end up influencing the way they write their films. They reference them constantly as a point of authority and pride and I think they're very proud about those videos. And most of all, it makes autistic like your and that prequel apologist Rick Worley shit themselves. Damage controlling for a pretentious aspie twenty years later. Even though they'll never think about you, your opinions on them ever in their lives.
>Not at all, it made them famous, put them on the map and got attention from celebrities and writers in Hollywood that end up influencing the way they write their films. They reference them constantly as a point of authority and pride and I think they're very proud about those videos.
And then they did SPACE COP.
If only George Lucas followed Mike's career, he would have been a better director...
reminds Cinemaphile
They are movie critics who live in Wisconsin. They have no souls and are incapable of self-reflection.
It made them millionaires and so influential in Hollywood to appear on the Ellen show with Julia Roberts.
It's literally the only reason they've been able to settle into such an easy living, so not at all I'd imagine. Yes they gained a second wave of dedicated fans from BOTW, but there's no guarantee those videos would've taken off without the traction they already had from Plinkett and it's highly unlikely they would've been in a position where they think they could make a living off such videos to begin with.
Oh no, millions of views and popularity, how awful. Retard.
They clearly do have a chip on their shoulder over it though, even a tinge of shame. They never address them during fan Q&As, and it's almost like they've refused to acknowledge their existence anymore.
probably because their half in the bag shit doesnt get nearly as many views, they dont like to put actual effort into things, not sure youve noticed or not.
It really is quite annoying how they managed to gaslight a generation into believing the prequels were bad. The prequels were generally warmly received on release, just look at reactions from moviegoers interviews after screenings. But then RedLetterMedia spread this viral meme that Reddit of course latched onto and spread. I'm glad the sequels allowed people to re-evaluate the prequels and finally gave them the praise they deserve.
Nigga I'm a core millennial, saw the rereleases in theaters and watched the originals (not 100% which versions tbh, it was a 3 VHS box set with vader, a stormtrooper, and an imperial guard on the boxes but they lacked the rerelease additional scenes) so much the tapes quit working. Star Wars was my favorite thing in the world, I was obsessed.
I was 9 years old when the phantom menace came out and I left the theater annoyed every time Anakin was on screen but thought the lightsaber fights and Darth Maul were cool.
At 12 years old I thought Attack of the Clones was bad with some cool stuff happening but I was much more invested in EU and video game stuff at that point.
At 15, RotS was the best-made but still fucking garbage and at that point I had a more coherent idea of what made a movie good or bad. I don't agree with every point the Plinkett reviews make but I do absolutely think they get at the essence of what doesn't work about the prequels.
The idea that a generation has been "gaslit" into believing the prequels were bad is just wrong. Zoomers saw the prequels when they were toddlers and liked the lights and sounds and it stuck as positive, and it's pure nostalgia there. The OT holds up as films in a way that the prequels dont.
And the Mouse sequels being dogshit in absolutely no way vindicate George or the Prequels.
The only part of the prequel reviews I think doesn't hold up is when Mike asks his friends to describe Star Wars characters. I don't think it's wrong necessarily, but of course your friends are gonna say what you want, and if they don't you'll just edit it.
i actually rewatched the prequels recently, and it is fucking unreal how bad they are. i would hesitate to even call them movies, they're more like boredom powered torture devices.
anyone who i ever see defend the prequels nowadays simply grew up with them. every time. i mean it's fine if you have nostalgia for it so watching them just makes you feel comfortable, but don't try to spin this retarded narrative of them being misunderstood genius somehow. they fail as film on almost every level
you've been gaslit by stoklasa bro
nah i'm just right
>"JJ Abrams would make a good Star Wars director."
They deadass killed it themselves.
Young Anakin cringe is just hard to watch, because most people have been there. What's left in isolation is pioneering digital film making on an audacious scale for the time; appreciate the visuals at least.
JJs directing was fine, peabrains. He didn't say he should write it
The original script was thrown out and rewritten by Abrams and Kasdan. And Kasdan was just collecting a paycheck so it was really JJ's movie.
No one really gives a shit about the writing in these flicks. Star Wars became and remains popular because they are a spectacle.
huh
they were a hit with little kids, who typically don't care a whole lot about what characters are yapping about or exactly why things are happening
JJ cant't direct films without altering the script to shape his 'mystery box' approach to storytelling. That's why he couldn't stand george lucas' documentary approach and pressured disney to kick him off the project asap.
But really, we're having a dishonest discussion here. Mike Stoklasa wanted JJ precisely because of his approach to storytelling. He wanted Star Wars to get simpler (i.e. dumber). And JJ had a proven track record of making things dumb by the time Mike was appealing for a new director.
That JJ abrams quote should be stamped on Mike stoklasa's forehead with a branding iron. Public shaming is the only thing that can atone him.
You just know Mike only wanted JJ to get away from Star Trek.
Not at all since they were completely right. The prequels are shit and always will be. A handful of retarded contrarians on Cinemaphile won't change that.
Imagine saying JJ could create a better Star Wars movie, only to find that no, no he could not. Embarrassing you and marking any future opinions you have for the rest of your life as completely retarded.
They were paid by Disney to do it so not at all.
Not at all. It’s the foundation of their entire career.
Their reviews on the prequels were 100% spot on. Just because nostalgic gen z retards can't see the truth doesn't erase the truth.
>muh green screen
>"Why didn't the corrupt Jedi help Anakin's mother?"
>"Why didn't Obi-Wan act like a dumb gorilla when Maul kills Qui-Gon?"
>THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!111
RLM popularized shitty, cynical Youtube essays. Because of them we have atrocities like Mauler.
>>muh green screen
A legit complaint. The green screen shots look like shit.
>>"Why didn't the corrupt Jedi help Anakin's mother?"
A valid question. It's makes the Jedi look cruel and retarded. Yoda: "It's dangerous to train this Jedi, better make sure his mother stays a slave where she will mostly likely be raped and murdered in the near future. What could go wrong?"
>>"Why didn't Obi-Wan act like a dumb gorilla when Maul kills Qui-Gon?"
Who says this?
>>THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!111
A lot of things in the films didn't.
>RLM popularized shitty, cynical Youtube essays.
Who cares. It would have happened eventually whether they did it or not.
Unlike marvel shit, the prequels are actually art. You will never see the protagonist of a mainstream blockbuster film kill children ever again. You will never see the protagonist of a mainstream blockbuster kill the arabs who raped his mother ever again. There is so much crazy shit buried underneath all of the jar jar retardation and pod racing.
That's the real tragedy of the prequels. There's a good movie in there. With a few script tweaks, editing cuts, and less CGI they would have been revered films.
>days without seething about fat balding midwesterners = 0
I did a star wars marathon in lockdown and no, the prequels really are that bad. Not 'ruined my childhood' bad but there is nothing redeemable in those films but Natalie Portmans midriff. RLM are have a lot of bad takes but the prequel shit ain't one of them.
>the prequels are misunderstood masterpie
Star Wars was always about the action and special effects
These fags would be nobodies without the Mr Plinkett videos, I remember when the ep 3 part first came out and both Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile were constantly having threads about it. Mr Plinkett was to RLM as AVGN was to Cinemassacre but fortunately for them they were able to grow beyond it unlike James did with AVGN.
Very little. Stop projecting your own insecurities about your past failures onto public figures and try to go out and live your own life, anon.