How come Marvel expects you to read the actual origins, but DC periodically puts out retellings?
Does silver age Marvel hold up more?
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How come Marvel expects you to read the actual origins, but DC periodically puts out retellings? Does silver age Marvel hold up more?
Marvel has retold and expanded and contradicted every single origin dozens of times. Why would you think otherwise?
They never "remake" the origins like DC. I can only think of Man Without Fear and that Byrne Spider-Man shit nobody liked.
>They never "remake" the origins like DC.
Sure they do, that was the whole point of the Siancong war for instance.
You can be sure Reed and Ben aren't WW II veterans anymore in recent retellings, too. I kinda doubt Frank Castle served in the Vietnam War, either.
Using real world events as backstories was a mistake.
Looking back, yeah. But in 1961, Stan thought super-heroes would be popular for a few years and then be replaced by Westerns or horror. No one imagined Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four would be popular and still be published sixty years later.
The stories being real is what made Marvel great. The more they got divorced from reality, the less poignant they got.
1968 was the start of the decline and it fully ended in 1989.
Frank being a veteran or Magneto being an holocaust survivor were never relevant to their characters in fact they were probably later retcons to begin with.
What does that have to do with my post
>They never "remake" the origins
Their origins are just as consistent as DC, in fact F4 origin changed more than Superman over the years.
Not sure what you're talking about,. Are you trying to say by "remaking" starting from scratch with entirely new characters (like switching Barry Allen for Jay Garrick):>
I mean grabbing origins stories and telling them again extensively
See
>Man of Steel
>Secret Origins
>Perez Wonder Woman
>Emerald Dawn
>Power of Shazam
>Year One
And more. I'm not talking about mixing things around for sliding timescales. There is no comic book arc or mini that tells you the FF's origin all over again.
But there have been several such limited series for the major characters,
Except they do? They tried copying DC's Earth one with Season One OGNs but they all flopped.
What about ultimate spiderman? They made venom lab made and carnage was a hosteless creation created from spidermans blood. Seems pretty absurd and contradictory to me.
Marvel tries to maintain the illusion that it's the same universe running since the 60s, despite the uncountable retcons and impossible origins from the sliding time-scale.
DC reset their heroes in the Silver Age, but then started using their Golden Age heroes again. Given that some of these characters were wholly different from their Silver Age variants, "Earth-One" and "Earth-Two" were created to make the distinction.
People just got used to alternate universes being the norm in DC a lot earlier than Marvel.
Whats the difference between DC earth 1, and Marvel earth-66?
I'm not a Marvelgay, and I can't find Earth-66 on the Marvel Wiki, so I'm not sure. Earth-One in DC is the strict Silver Age versions of the characters, though.
Ah, ok. I thought earth-66 was the main universe, and earth 1492 was the xmen in the middle ages or something. So earth-1 in DC is the 1960s Superman & Lois Lane, and earth 2 is after the death of supergirl issues? Hope this isn't a stupid question
>earth 2 is after the death of supergirl issues
Earth-Two is DC's comics from 1938 to 1956 (before Showcase #4). Earth-One is 1956 (post Showcase #4) to, technically, up to 1985--with Crisis on Infinite Earths.
For instance, pic related is the Green Lantern of Earth-Two (Alan Scott, the Golden Age Green Lantern) who is obviously very different looking than his predecessor.
>earth-66
I get it now; you're referring to Earth 616. 616 continually updates its continuity as it goes along. DC does the same thing, but every once in a while DC reboots into a new universe/continuity rather than handling a bunch of contrary or unliked continuity.
Marvel's retcons are far worse that DC's.
Who the frick thought making a She-Hulk a loser in college was a good idea?
This whole post is starting with a false premise.
Fun fact: the "Great power/great responsibility" line there is only in the narration. It doesn't get brought up as an in-universe quotation attributed to Uncle Ben's Delicious Rice until 1987's "Spider-man vs Wolverine" a full 25 years later.
>Uncle Ben’s Delicious Rice
OP you'd have more a point if you posted this before 2011 because Marvel put out about a dozen Season One OGNs for their major franchises and those going to be in the MCU (minus Hawkeye and Black Widow) from like 2011 to 2014.
Don't blame you for not knowing about them because they were all mediocre to bad and they all sold like shit.
"Expects you to read" the early comics makes it sound like an imposition you resent. Those were fun, exciting comics by great talents. You should give them a try in any case,
The sliding time scale is more of problem for Marvel because they pretend to be hip & progressive. It mostly comes off as exploitation or That "Fellow kids" meme.
>because they pretend to be hip & progressive
Have you not been keeping up with DC? They're trying even harder to pander to the legbites & wokies than Marvel is.
But Marvel been doing this since 9/11.
Since before they were Marvel, actually. when they were still Atlas Comics, they had stories against racism and prejudice, and for equal rights for everyone.
>Impact vs intend
Marvel has always been fake progressive, Just look how they've always treated their female characters.