How come the Raimi Spider-man movies feel like they are set in the real world?

and other super hero movies feel like theyre strictly movie universes and actors

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    minimal usage of CGI, whey used real locations while marvel CGI even walls.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure that "minimal" is the right word since those movies actually used a frickton of CGI. But I think the difference is that even though Raimi acknowledged when shit was just physically impossible and used digital stunt doubles or greenscreen backgrounds he never used it as a crutch. He shot as much as he could in-camera and every moment of Spider-Man or Doc Ock *not* being a bunch of pixels helps.

      Also it shouldn't be understated that John Dykstra was really fricking good at his job and people are not always replaceable. You'd think it just boils down to "why doesn't everybody just do it how that guy did" but if that guy's the absolute best at it whoever else does it just isn't going to be as good. Him and Raimi both working on those films together was just one of those perfect combos that you can't replicate

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > John dryska
        Who

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Like wasn't Ironmans suit entirely CGI after the first or second movie? Like it was CGI costumes on a CGI set with maybe half a chair being real while the other half was CGI

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The turning point is the first Avengers movie. That still has a good mix of practical and CG. After that, Downey was too much of a princess to wear anything but his lame dad clothes and they started full CG of the costume on him, followed swiftly by everything else.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What a shame. They did the same with the iron spider suit.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lower stakes I guess. Everything revolves around spiderman whos is just trying to live as a regular guy with a superhero side job fighting villains who either want to go after him specifically or terrorize the city. Doc oc was probably the one who was going to do the most damage

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably this. It tally felt like Spider-Man was a weird NY exclusive thing while the rest of the world carried on as usual.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because you were still young when they came out and still got that "magic" endorphin rush from them before diminishing returns and burnout

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up, druggie.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HE STOLE DAT GUYS PIZZA

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Newer MCU installments hardly ever have the main cast interact with regular people who aren't characters from the comics, they barely even show nameless civilians in the background anymore
    Infinity war literally has two or three moments early on in New York where there are regular people in the vicinity of the action, and the rest of the film takes place in CGI battlegrounds
    Endgame is about the same, there's the therapy scene with Captain America and Ant-Man going around San Francisco and that's basically it. Even having some regular Earth military forces involved in the final battle would have helped ground it in reality at least slightly, but no

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Limited scope. You only have Spidey and the villain of the movie, and the rest of the world is normal.

    In the Avengers there are dozens of superhero teams working around the globe, hundreds of supervillains, multiple world-ending threats every day. Think about how 9/11 changed America, now think about how a bunch of aliens with giant alien snakes fighting costumed heroes in New York and crushing buildings and killing a bunch of people would've changed politics? The revelation that all the military-industrial complex is essentially useless against such threats. When America has a dude who can basically fly into Kremlin and punch Putin in the face before there's even chance for nukes to fly.

    Marvel kinda tried touching that with Sokovia Accords, but that was a side story.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the extremely hokey acting from the extras who play the pedestrians gives it a kind of ironic appeal. Like, you're reminded that these are all people who are stoked to tell this dumb superhero story, it shows you a little humanity and genuinely makes it charming.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's a guy in an actual costume on an actual street. The MCU version of that scene would be shot in a parking lot with CGI.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Real sets/locations.
    Good amount of screentime for regular human characters from all walks of life, giving a sense of being in a 'real' city with 'real' inhabitants.
    Minimum of silly superhero bullshit. Sure you've got spider-man and the villains, but there isn't a wider universe with wizards and superhero leagues etc..

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    His movies felt like fakeass camp comedy with horrible script and awkward acting, Raimi is such a meme director

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The movies are just a bunch of memes and that's what makes them so timeless.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The obvious usage of reality. The movie was built up around the world and we see how these characters change that world. Normally the world changes the character.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The characters have personal lives. There's as much drama in these movies about whether Peter is going to pay the bills on time, succeed in school or have a happy love life as there is about super-villains fricking shit up.

    Nowadays these franchises are ruled by the worst thing in every franchise: Lore. Lore is for frickless nerds. Lore is uninteresting. Every capeshit now is completely devoted to plot. It's all about the powers, the villains, the macguffins, the dangling threads for sequel bait. They aren't made as stories about people any more, they're made as stories about light shows.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This 100%
      The problem with a massive ongoing 'cinematic universe' is that the movies start being written like comic books instead of like movies.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Serials are great, just not as movies.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    peter parker doesn't invent alien technology web shooters in his bedroom

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It was before the MCU synergy bullshit, post Avengers every MCU movie has to toss in a bunch of blatant easter eggs in every movie to acknowledge it's in the same universe. The old references were a lot more organic

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I love all the dumb shit with the characters in Jameson's office, like Simmons doing that double-take when Ted Raimi appears before he's even finished saying his name. Stupid little details but they add so much.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Raimi Spider-Man films are the only superhero movies where I actually liked the civilians, the scenes with normal human characters were all kino

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ted Raimi is Kino and I like him unlike the other nepobaby like Sean Gunn

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Modern marvelslop is set in a realworld-themed playground for superheroes. Raimi Spider-Man movies are set in the real world. The superhero is the weird thing. In mass produced marvel capeshit movies, the world itself is the weird thing. The world is stupid and backwards and humans are annoying little ants in comparison to the very important and perfect superheroes.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how much these movies cost back then?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tf did i just watch?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Looks to be a compilation of the characters pointlessly putting on and removing their masks moments later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Making these movies must be so soulless
      Probably very easy for the actors though since the animators do the work

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why do they have to take their helmets off every 4 seconds?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because they weren't designed to connect with a wider cinematic universe. Because the CGI was minimal outside of Spider-Man 3. Because Raimi is an actual auteur with a passion for silver age comics. Just look at the way he frames action scenes and the dialogue from background characters in these movies. It has that pulpy sentiment.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If New York ever looked as clean and livable as it does in the Raimiverse, it was way before I existed

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All characters are important

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I hate Black folk, Peter

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >is kino

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frick, now I want to watch the whole trilogy all over. I have plans for tonight.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The suit looking real cause it was instead of just a CGI rendering helps

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    color pallet
    raimi used actual actual bright colors like golden age comics would have. everything pops. modern superhero films are dull and grey,

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also, every character wasn't firing off a witty quip or sarcastic remark every other line.

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