How come when I sometimes see a LGBT character in a DC/Marvel comic it feels like I am being slapped in the face with shitty pandering?
Its like they can't realize that you write LGBT characters the same way you'd write any other character. They just make their sexual preference the character's ENTIRE personality for no reason.
So fricking annoying.
I've read thousands of fanfics, hundreds of fics that take place specifically in DC /Marvel fandoms. They'll have LGBT characters and not once does it feel like some sort of moronic agenda is being pushed upon me, nor does it feel like cheap pandering that borders on insulting at times.
Why can fans writing stories for free as a hobby be more genuine than 'professional' writers paid to pump out official stuff?!
>pic unrelated I just like it. I don't personally ship Hal and Barry
i think you're just oversensitive and the elements of the characters you don't identify with (gay, poc) stick out because of that. you gotta grow out of it is all.
>I've read thousands of fanfics, hundreds of fics that take place specifically in DC /Marvel fandoms. They'll have LGBT characters and not once does it feel like some sort of moronic agenda is being pushed upon me, nor does it feel like cheap pandering that borders on insulting at times.
I've read more stories with LGBT characters in it than I can count. Fanfic writers get it just fine, official writers seem to be unable too lmao.
Sure you do. Even Jon Superman that (triggered the internet) sexuality is not his character. If you read his book he's just a generic legacy character that try to copy the original and feel insecure that he's not the original.
He has less focus on his romance than Spider-Man.
What am I looking at here? I don’t care, by the way
Jon stop a metahuman from causing a fire and gave him to the military to be experimented on.
Yeah he's just your average everyday legacy character. They totally don't draw him like a creepy elf twink and have him make out with another man with bright pink hair. Lol
Cape shit chars get drawn as twinks all the time.
Kids today have multi color hair.
Plenty of reasons to hate the book but you can do better.
You know what you're right, but I'm just talking shit on the internet for fun.
Meant to reply to you oops
I'm mostly just mad that they aged him up because the only kid superheroes allowed anymore are black girls with puffballs.
Seriously, in the MCU every single superhero now has a girl legacy sidekick. WTF?
Did you forget that Damian exist?
>posts a page with LE EVIL LAW ENFORCEMENT
You are just shifting the character's focus, from 'sexuality is not his character' to 'activist narrative pandering to liberalism, which includes alternate sexuality, is his character'.
There's a solid chance you knew this and you're just posting it to get new reactions tho.
Jon obeyed the military like a good boy. Clark is literal an activist that try to make a better tomorrow. Clark would have protected the guy from abuse.
Cope
It's not oversensitivity to criticize sonething
It is if it makes no logical sense for example: Sleeping Beauty = not sexual. Sleeping Beauty with two girls = suddenly sexual
people can tell when things are inauthentic and it causes anger. its a common response. There are movies and shows woth black or female leads but the story or elements if the setting are cool so you really don't even care that they're gay black or female. Its when thats all they are and its being shoved down your throat that it becomes insulting and annoying. Love Blade, Alien was great with Ripley. Nowadays they would make sure you knew that them being minorities or whatever was all they were.
And thank God for fans who produce great fan fiction content and fanart.
I worry about the new Blade movie.
Please don't tell me there's a new blade movie. Wesley Snipes is Blade. Also after Blade 3 i can't imagine how bad a new movie could be
https://collider.com/new-blade-movie-mcu-cast-actor-filming-news/
I also liked Blade 3.
blade 3 would have been fine if it wasn't the whole Ryan Reynolds era. His character and bringing back whistlers daughter was horrible. BUT I liked the whole Dracula bit they did. I personally like 2 and 1 better.
>Blade part of the MCU
oh no, they gunna do a morbius crossover. idk bros...the casting looks okayish for Blade. If he keeps the whole stoic thing it might be okay.
common thing in media and abroad, new thing is in vogue and must be present, (gay, straight, black, white, disabled, Republican, Christian, Muslim, israeli, Atheist, etc), funding/backing depends/supports this currently
so take original/rehash of old story, select random/primary character, MAKE them black, gay, muslim, etc...
add pages and scenes to showcase their BLACKNESS< GAYNESS Religion, politics, gender,etc
create new characters just to allow a verbal punchline, good character model story, etc to go off/often using established characters in ways they never indicated they'd act
over-do it with the (insert here), don't actually make them act/react/exist as a (insert here), just as a old school reporter feed caricature of (insert here)
now remember to repeatedly insert jabs of them being (insert here), even if it would never occur like that naturally in explosive situations/slow days
also the ENTIRE personality being that they are (insert here) happens ALOT in modern society, gotta get those likes, feel good, victim hood, etc
Karen/Ken behavior seems to follow this trope, as well as the people purposefully baiting them to act out/pull a gun/try to defend themselves(and failing in the edits)
I think a lot of the problem, at least IMO, is that back then black/women/gay characters used to to have actual personalities and usually felt like people.
Meanwhile these days these same characters basically have zero personality beyond "I AM BLACK, I AM A WOMAN, I LIKE TAKING IT UP MY ASS."
I am all three of these things.
>I want a gay male character
>Instead of using an existing one
>or
>Instead of sitting down and creating a brand new character
>Well..
I guess writing a story with Alan's son as the headliner is too hard.
Even Obsidian was a formerly straight character who a later writer turned gay, it just happened before you started reading.
To be fair, he was always simping for his sister and had no real romantic subplot going for him so it wasn’t that drastic of a change
The fact that one of his older stories was about his teammates mistakenly thinking he was gay and he actually wasn't, in what was meant to be a lesson to readers to not assume guys are gay if they're not stereotypically masculine enough, it makes "oh he was actually gay anyway" a really stupidly tone-deaf thing to have done.
>it feels like I am being slapped in the face with shitty pandering?
Because that's exactly what it is.
Why do so called professional writers paid to write stories feel that way where as a fanfic writer doing it for free never does?
Thats the answer to your own question. Treating a passion project with love vs. getting paid to write characters you either don't care about or want to make into your own OC. Most of the time fan fic writers respect the characters and love them. They even mark OOC or crack when not writing the characters with their usual personalities. I even read a fic probably written by a gay person about a hero who realistically dealt with their feelings of 'homophobia' because they were straight but liked their friend of the same sex. It wasn't preachy it was a characters real struggle to reconcile their feelings of disgust with their feelings of deep care about the person they liked. They respect the source enough and try to make some compelling stories. Even shut is well written and characters driven kek
Because being gay is never relevant to any story outside of a single issue where they do the coming out of the closet fetish gays love so much.
After that they have to find other ways to make sure the reader knows the character is gay and it is never subtle or natural. You just have to know HOW GAY a character is in every other issue.
>How do I let a reader know my character is gay?
>I mean.. who cares? Its like giving a shit if a character is straight
>Hm
>Oh I know. A significant other! A boyfriend! Genius.
Or girlfriend if its a girl character who likes the ladies.
Never happens and if it does every issue is now about gay shit rather than the good shit.
Turn Batman gay and he goes from occasionally being autistic with women, to every issue being autistic with men.
It's never natural. It's always pandering.
>Never happens
Maybe not in some shitty comic but I've read plenty of fanfics where its A okay.
I mean if you think about it, giving a gay character a significant other or showing them having gay sex is always going to feel "forced" because gays are unnatural, rare, and so far from the default
I don't care about a gay character having a love interest or having sex.
Straight characters do it all the time.
You just don't have the straight character telling you every 20 sentences how straight they are.
>unnatural
You say unnatural. I say natural. You know what's also unnatural? Modern technology. Now get off the interwebs and touch some grass you maidenless b***h.
The only person Jon should be 'gay' with (he's not gay, he's bi) is Damian Wayne
>Damian
Correct. I'll settle for Yara too but only as a third.
Imagine making one of the characters of a fan yaoi ship bi so he'll date a guy and then just ignoring the most popular fan ship of his.
>Bendis
that's not Taylor
Benis only aged him up. Taylor made him bi and gave a literal who as his boyfriend.
It starts with Bendis aging him up for no reason.
Agreed on that. Taylor the hack just capitalised on it. At least that one anon who ships Jon and Dick is having a good time.
In my ideal world, Dick's for Slade. And Jon is for Damian.
>Dick's for Slade.
Just reminded me of the Slade family threads where Dick gets Terra pregnant.
I'll accept Slade getting Dick pregnant for maximum Wayne Wilson drama.
Ok but what if... and hear me out here..
What if Slade impregnates Dick and Dick impregnates Terra?
How do you make a good batwoman show
Rule number 1. Keep your Batwoman as Kate Kane. A fair skinned woman (jew?) with red hair.
People cried about show when she was Kate Kane because she was gay. The few people who actually seen the show called it shit for being another low effort CW product
I recall someone being crippled on set and Ruby Rose nearly breaking her back.
>outside of a single issue where they do the coming out of the closet fetish gays love so much.
So you want to eradicate straight people kissing having sex because it isn't relevant to the story unless they get married?
Dunno but 2000's queer rep just hit different and felt more authentic and real than the current queer rep from the big two.
Having your queer couple start off as closeted best buddies with gay subtext then it actually evolves into a romantic thing was great for the characters than just "I'M OUT NOW, NO BUILD UP OR SERIOUS SELF REALIZATION, LETS MAKE OUT." And worst it's with some rando oc and not with another character they had a strong history with.
Literally just write them how you'd write any other character.
I don't have to be constantly reminded of a character's sexual interests.
>Dunno but 2000's queer rep just hit different and felt more authentic and real than the current queer rep from the big two.
The only difference is that you could maybe show them kiss and that was about as far as it could go. Otherwise you couldn't talk about it at all.
I.e. all this "it was better when I was twelve!" shit just boils to people being uncomfortable when PoC or LGBTQ+ people actually openly talk about themselves and are out and about, instead of it being kept to the margins (Wildstorm booke, Todd making small appearances in the background) and barely ever addressed because it wasn't that acceptable unless you were a third string D-list character that was safe to be a gay token character. It's also a case of waaaah it was better when I was too young to care about identity politics and could accept things as they are instead of what internet forums tell me to think purely due to political lines.
>then it actually evolves into a romantic thing was great for the characters than just "I'M OUT NOW, NO BUILD UP OR SERIOUS SELF REALIZATION, LETS MAKE OUT."
Barely anyone was built up as gay and then it organically evolved in a romantic subplot that outed them. At best a writer could hint at someone being gay and that was it until a third party outs them on purpose. Remember when Northstar went I AM GAAAAAAAYYYYYY while beating up a bad guy, and iirc the plot involved a dumpster baby who had AIDS and who Northstar then adopted? Pinnacle of subtle writing.
I don't know this Northstar character at all I think you're projecting your past homophobic life into me and my post. I've like comics and manga that have better fleshed out queers and I think that perhaps the climate at the time these stories where made help writers avoid pussy footing the reality of queer struggle in a predominantly cis hetro world. Current comics like to pretend that isn't the case at all, they seem like fantasy Twitter delusions that are overly leftist with zero grit or real idea of how people just are.
Can you name the characters?
I get it OP. Sometimes the writers are bad and I hate them.
Thnx m8
That's how it was handled it Lightyear and you fricking homosexuals still cried about it.
>female character gets retconned into bi
>hooks up with sexy women who are tomboys at worst but also still hooks up with dudes
>male character gets retconned into bi
>is doomed to be stuck in gay relationships forever
lol lmao kwab
Everyone except Batman is queer coded by the colorful costumes they wear.
If they write a LGBT character the same way they write straight characters, terminally online LGBT Twitter users would whine about how the character isn't gay enough because it is never mentioned.
Oh no.. not the site full of bots! Whatever will we do?
Do you know how much Spider-man obsessed about girls?
If Blizzard's treatment of gay characters is any indication, is that they never give the readers what they want. Take Traver for example. They made her gay, but then gave her some literal npc nobody as a girfriend instead of developing a relationship with any of the existing characters in the game.
Tracer.
Also I agree with the NPC thing.. now excuse me as I go read another Tracer/Widowmaker fic.
Yeah, it was a typo. Sorry.
You're fine.
>Cinemaphilemblr mad about ships
I get it. Voltron, Amphibia, Frozen, Superman, etc.
Keep introducing literal whos to kill gay fantasies it sucks.
I actually don't mind Tracer and her girlfriend whose name escapes me. Sarah?
I just think it would've made more sense for Tracer to be with someone on the active Overwatch roster, ah well.
The only I'm grateful for is that Blizzard snuffed Widowtracer in its infancy and that the redhead was introduced early.
Widowtracer is awesome. Guess we'll just disagree with that.
No. I like Widowtracer too. I'm just thankful that Blizzard took me out of it early so I could put my walls up and not end up riding on a ship that would get clapped by canon later.
Oooh. Sorry. My bad.
Also the redhead's name is Emily.
I only remember it because Widow's name.
Because gays are self absorbent and will jack off to their egos every chance they get. They can't create anything unique and will destroy an established property so they can attempt to convince people they're just as normal as heterosexuals are. gays make up a bit below 2% of the world population and yet they're overrepresented in media because a investment group called Blackrock have enough funding to fund multiple hollywood movie projects but only if they shove gay shit in their movies like propaganda. Which is why we seen a rise (and the rise of the 50%) of troons deluding themselves into thinking they're special because a cartoon character told them they are.
TL;DR: gays and the entire lgbt homosexualry need to get the gas.
Do you feel better now that you've sperged out a little?
gays contribute nothing to the world and only cause more harm than good with aids, pedophilia and now monkey pox lmao.
>How come when I sometimes see a LGBT character in a DC/Marvel comic it feels like I am being slapped in the face with shitty pandering?
Because you are. Whenever you see gay representation in modern media, ask yourself this. Why are they only doing this now when it is trendy and profitable? Why weren't they doing it 20-40 years ago?
I think this is a spurious argument because a business has zero reason to market to an audience that they don't think will be profitable or that said marketing might cost them other customers. But you are correct that it is disingenuous for companies to pretend they're doing this for anything other than monetary reasons. You want corporate sincerity on gay rep you buy a Subaru.
yes?
It only bothers you. I used to think horndog straight guy characters were lame and a stereotype because I'm not a horndog. I didn't let it bring me to the point of an sperg meltdown like gays are doing to you.
Aren't those characters illegal to depict these days due to being "rapey"?
Cause fanfic writers can get away with it being cringey cause they are Fanfic writers not professional writers, while professional writers on the other hand have no excuse due to the fact this is a job where you get paid, not some random site like wattpad.
There are tons of professional cringe shit comics in the big 2. Its the majority of bait threads here are you joking?
Yeah. This bullshit is unironically what's turning people off of gay representation
Because they're not willing to pay enough to get anyone other than writers who are willing to work for peanuts so they can Do Representation. Turns out they dont really know how to, or give a shit about writing anything else other than Representation. Its a budget thing moreso than a 'culture war' thing
if you doubt that I'm right, I point to exhibit A: the fact that fricking Hellcat was an officially licensed Marvel Comic. They could have found someone who would write the same kind of crap but who actually had some training in...how to draw anything at all.. but they went with that.
That's unfair. I think all fictional characters are naturally 2D within a specific story frame. They are given (or perceived) more complex traits in an unstructured settings. Their "free time".
Perhaps you've never noticed Wonder Woman's commentary when she's off duty.
>It's like they made her gender her ENTIRE personality
NO SHIT Sherlock.
because, you dumbass, the point of making a character gay is to SELL to gays. You're not going to sell to a demographic if that demographic isn't even aware your character is part of their community. Fanfic writers who have no financial stake also have more freedom.
Gays don't sell you troon
Hate homosexual Jon all you want, he makes the bucks better than most better minority heroes.
I don't hate current Jon because he's bi, I hate him because he's an adult. I want Kid Jon back. And Supersons sold better than anything with adult Jon has.
would unironically buy a gay Bruce and Clark comic where they have a comfy domestic life while crime fighting. will never happen though
the best youll get is hatefrick romance from bruce and the joker. bruce gets the children and joker bashes their brains in then they hate frick.
The correct gay ships would sell like crazy. Just take the most popular gay ships and canonize them. Because that way you already have a huge following.
I prefer several f/f ships and m/m ships I enjoy to remain non-canon because I think official works would just frick them up as opposed to fanfic/fanart.
>I've read thousands of fanfics, hundreds of fics that take place specifically in DC /Marvel fandoms.
Yes