>How DARE you have an easy life!

>How DARE you have an easy life! You have to be an unlucky wageslave like me!!!
...and people LIKE this episode?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought people hated this episode

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the highest-rated episode on IMDB.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        really? IMDB has weird taste

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's what jumping the shark is,the moment itself might be well received but it's not until the dust has settled that you realize everything is worse afterward for it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >jumping the shark

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought people hated this episode

            that wasn't the point of why he was mad

            It's the highest-rated episode on IMDB.

            libertarian actually

            What are you talking about? This was one of the most beloved episodes of it's time. Also I think OP missed the joke entirely:

            Frank is what happens when you put a real-world person using real-world logic into a wacky cartoon like The Simpson's. Frank's existence is the entire punchline here: it's essentially an entire episode devoted to that nerd who hoped someone got fired for the "blunder" of the magic rib xylophone he saw in a cartoon. That nerd is now Frank trying to understand how Homer has been so successful in spite of everything abour him.

            Homer the main character in a cartoon. That's it. That's all the logic you need and Frank went nuts trying to comprehend this. The last straw was Homer winning a contest that was aimed entirely at children with the support of literally everyone else in the power plant. It makes absolutely zero sense to have Homer win but frick real-world logic because this is a cartoon and that means nothing here.

            The episode was messy because, the premise got, how can i say this, ~confused~ about its intent and message, and clearly had "chef infighting"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >THIS EPISODE IS BAD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE AN OBVIOUS MORAL MESSAGE THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND
              frick off Mr. Enter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that guy is a massive homosexual

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jurassic Bark is also the highest-rated Futurama episode, but I have a suspicion people only rate it so high because of its ending.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It has a lot of fun jokes too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The ending is why I don't like it. They set it up for a happy ending where Seymour moved on just to fake out with a sad ending that didn't feel earned.
          It's just a much worse last minute twist than what Luck of the Fryish did

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was bittersweet.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's because of the Leela x Amy wrestling and their attire.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I watched this because I heard good things about and was very suprised when all I felt was just ''Eh....'

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was never that big of a deal of an episode. It was a simple low brow Loony Toons Daffy Duck and Elmer type gag in a modern day setting. It wasn't until a certain generation of incels got on the internet and started simping(heh) for the spinless weak characters in media because they too are spinless so they can relate.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Strawman Strawman konGA
            >Strawman Strawman konGA

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yosemite Sam was replacing Elmer Fudd since the animators thought that it seemed like Bugs was bullying a mentally disabled person.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Grimes is completely in the right about everything
        >But he's an butthole so he has to die
        The fact that this is the highest ranked episode in IMDB says a lot about our society.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are you talking about? This was one of the most beloved episodes of it's time. Also I think OP missed the joke entirely:

      Frank is what happens when you put a real-world person using real-world logic into a wacky cartoon like The Simpson's. Frank's existence is the entire punchline here: it's essentially an entire episode devoted to that nerd who hoped someone got fired for the "blunder" of the magic rib xylophone he saw in a cartoon. That nerd is now Frank trying to understand how Homer has been so successful in spite of everything abour him.

      Homer the main character in a cartoon. That's it. That's all the logic you need and Frank went nuts trying to comprehend this. The last straw was Homer winning a contest that was aimed entirely at children with the support of literally everyone else in the power plant. It makes absolutely zero sense to have Homer win but frick real-world logic because this is a cartoon and that means nothing here.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Frank is what happens when you put a real-world person using real-world logic
        Frank is hella cartoonish in his own right, my dude

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Frank is what happens when you put a real-world person
        More like a "D-Fens the Protagonist of Falling Down, but for some reason they don't him go fricking apeshit on every kind of butthole in Los Angeles."

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Frank is what happens when you put a real-world person using real-world logic into a wacky cartoon like The Simpson's.
        They already had a character for this. Superintendent chalmers. He's written to be the most realistic character in a sea of weird nonsensical people and stories.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's nothing realistic about Frank Grimes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where di ya get that info though?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Evine49

      Gen Z is the only audience that likes this episode.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Muhhhh zoomers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nope everyone with taste likes it you miserable Cinemaphilegay who will never be happy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Autists on the internet don't count

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why?
      It's a fun episode

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that wasn't the point of why he was mad

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder this episode was written by a conservative

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      libertarian actually

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's the same shit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No. Not really

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a conservative who self insert'd as homer and thought grimes was a whiney b***h who should stop complaining.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who cares? The point is Grimes is the sour realist who is out of place in wacky land. Tied up nicely at the end when Homer says "Ah, Marge. I bored. Change the channel." It's a quip along the lines of asking "How dare the Plebians analyze our cartoon logically!?" A longer version of Itchy and Scratchy beheading Marge the Squirrel with a baseball bat in one episode for being a prude. Though that one is played a lot more consistently with the tone of I and S. The Grimes episode, while funny, is way off tone. I'm surprised it was even greenlit for production.

      A better and more devastating criticism of the Simpsons is that Lisa isn't funny, she's a mouthpiece for chicken shit Liberals who we all know are such good humorists. If Lisa failed to live up to her principles beyond a surface level, that would have been funny. Always complaining about pollution but not a peep if the polluting vehicle benefits her or someone she looks up to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >better and more devastating criticism of the Simpsons is that Lisa isn't funny, she's a mouthpiece for chicken shit Liberals who we all know are such good humorists.
        blame paul mccartney for that

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminds me that they did an episode where Frank's son takes revenge on Homer by killing him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what was that a metacommentary on???

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People who thought Homer was the bad guy

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The point is that why does Homer, the most unskilled employee and the laziest person, gets to have the responsibility of being a Nuclear Safety Inspector and reap the benefits while Grimes has to work under him with less pay? Frank is actually educated and dedicated to working with nuclear power.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why does Homer, the most unskilled employee and the laziest person, gets to have the responsibility of being a Nuclear Safety Inspector and reap the benefits while Grimes has to work under him with less pay?
      Because he is the main character in a cartoon.

      That's all the logic you need. According to Lenny in that episode, Homer should have died 316 times by his count while on the job, but a status quo cartoon series can't have that happen.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The more unbelievable thing in that scene is apparently Lenny and Carl both have a masters in nuclear engineering.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I actually disagree slightly there. Only slightly. Aside from the obvious "it's a cartoon, of course they have a masters degree duh", they never really show either of them doing or explaining their jobs, at least back when the Frank Grimes episode aired. They were only ever used in situations where they're there to do something with Homer like drink at Moe's or come over for poker night. They could have been capable in this one aspect of science. I mean, they openly call Homer slow to his face, so they're probably quite a bit more intelegent than him, at least. It's a low bar, but it's something?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but there's also a lot of instances in the series of Lenny specifically being really dumb.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I agree, which is why I said "slightly". That said, even the dumbest people can have an area of expertise, sometimes autisticly so.

              But the more logical conclusion is "it's a cartoon stop thinking about it".

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              My papa is a genius doctor but has done moronic shit like confusing Pitbulls with Bulldogs and claiming that a doberman he got as a gift was from a fricking country that doesn't exist anymore.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >confusing Pitbulls with Bulldogs
                I have literally both of these and I have no idea how anyone could confuse the two. Has he just never seen either species before?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                probably just similar names.
                I feel the same way about people mixing up Lions and Tigers, which I never got.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                eh, they're related and both have "bull" in the name, it's not that far of a reach if you don't know much about dogs.

                probably just similar names.
                I feel the same way about people mixing up Lions and Tigers, which I never got.

                i've never heard of this though, the frick?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see Cinemaphile do it all of the time

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You wouldn't think a cow college would even have a nuclear engineering program

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Chill out, its just a cartoon

        That's not a good enough answer. Especially when situations happen like this in real life. Frank Grimes is supposed to represent a real person

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That's not a good enough answer.
          Actually it's the perfect answer because Frank Grimes is someone demanding that cartoon world exist like the real world does and he goes insane from cartoon logic coming out ahead.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. Josh Weinstein himself has said "We wanted to do an episode where the thinking was 'What if a real life, normal person had to enter Homer's universe and deal with him?'" Frank was a "real" person using "real" logic in a world where that meant nothing. The universe revolves around The Simpson's and provides them with everything they want or need because the plot says so.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This. They were doing more meta stuff in seasons 7 and 8 because they thought the who wouldn't lady much longer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they thought the who wouldn't lady much longer
                did you mean to say "the show wouldn't last much longer" lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he goes insane from cartoon logic coming out ahead
            Just like the Vegeta vs. Arale fight, he never stood a chance to begin with.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ironically you are acting exactly like grimes right now

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That's not a good enough answer.
          Settle down Grimes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because Homer allows Burns to save bucks by ignoring everything that's dangerous in the power plant. He does the bare minimum, allowing Burns to have an excuse to spend the bare minimum.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They both have Bull in the name and if you don't really care to check then it's pretty easy to never correct that error or commit it to memory.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The point is that why does Homer, the most unskilled employee and the laziest person, gets to have the responsibility of being a Nuclear Safety Inspector and reap the benefits while Grimes has to work under him with less pay?

      The power plant is shown to be so unsafe and shoddily built that a competent safety inspector could easily get it shut down. Homer being bad at his job is good for Burns and arguably the rest of the plant workers because it reduces the chances of them being laid off.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i don´know about you, but i rather be laid off, then be mutilated in an powerplant accident

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought Homer's job was already implied to be at the very bottom rung

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was his original job at the plant that he got fired from. He got his Chief Safety Inspector gig after making a deal between Burns and the union.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >He got his Chief Safety Inspector gig after making a deal between Burns and the union.
          I thought he got that job in season 1 in the episode homer's odyssey when he keeps protesting the town to put up safety signs

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Homers Odyssey was a dark episode for so early on

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              are you saying that having you main character try to commit suicide on the 5th episode is a bad idea?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was his original job at the plant that he got fired from. He got his Chief Safety Inspector gig after making a deal between Burns and the union.

        >He got his Chief Safety Inspector gig after making a deal between Burns and the union.
        I thought he got that job in season 1 in the episode homer's odyssey when he keeps protesting the town to put up safety signs

        Home was a Supervising Technician, got fired, became chief of safety, and then was made one of the safety inspectors in sector 7G.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Implying it doesn't work this way in thousands of workplaces all over the real world

      My grandfather had a saying. 'Its not what you know, its who you know.'

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you kidding? That is the most realistic part of the ep. The worst employees always rise to the top.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The worst employees always rise to the top.
        not in the same way as you're thinking. sociopaths who step on others rise to the top. homer is just an idiot who's content with where he is, he doesn't aspire for more than what he has except he wants to own the dallas cowboys.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which is the central joke of the show. Most comedy is based on stupidity and Homer checks that box numerous times per episode.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/nB4J2wE.png

      >How DARE you have an easy life! You have to be an unlucky wageslave like me!!!
      ...and people LIKE this episode?

      I know a lot of Americans like this in real life
      >I WORKED Hard, why are the lazy more successful than me!
      I find it hard to not find them pathetic, slaves who seethe instead of realizing the system they support blindly did this to them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole show is a parody of a small town in America. At the time Simpsons was made, nuclear energy was a hot button issue partly in thanks to incidents like Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. It wasn't the process of nuclear energy that caused those disasters, it was untrained workers and poor working environments where cost-cutting was prioritized over proper regulation.

      So this is parodied in The Simpsons where Burns hires incompetent, unskilled people to work cheaply at his Power Plant and audiences laugh because it cartoonishly mocks issues that was going on at the time. So for a character to suddenly come around and point out the parody and specifically point the finger at Homer as if the whole town isn't a farce was definitely a weird writing decision. It's funny, but people over-analyze this episode without thinking about the context of when the show was pitched and made.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because Monty Burns needs someone he can easily distract but who always inexplicable remains completely unharmed as safety supervisor. Anyone unethical enough to turn a blind eye would also be unethical enough to start blackmailing him. Homer is the perfect combination of “can sort of pass as a functioning human being” and “literally brain damaged”.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's how it is in real life

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why does Homer, the most unskilled employee and the laziest person, gets to have the responsibility of being a Nuclear Safety Inspector and reap the benefits while Grimes has to work under him with less pay?
      Because its funny you fricking nerd!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically makes sense when you think about it.
      Why would Mr Burns want someone who is competent doing safety checks in his plant?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In the grand scheme of things, it's Mr. Burns' fault. Homer is an unskilled loser but who's responsible for placing him in that position in the first place? Grimes should redirect his rage at him instead.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Putting a suicidal man in charge of safety

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How DARE you have an easy life! You have to be an unlucky wageslave like me!!!
    Yes. That was the joke of the episode. The uptight idiot is the punchline / antagonist.
    If anything, if you hate the character, him dying at the end should make it a GREAT episode for you.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not that I hate the guy sliding by. It's when the boss realizes you don't slide by so they make you work extra hard to cover the guy sliding by. So that's why I slide by.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was a chud

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was supposed to be a commentary on what if a real person lived in the Simpsons world and saw someone like Homer get away with every bullshit mistake he makes and be continually rewarded for it.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember watching this when it first aired. I was in 5th grade, and I actually felt bad for him.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah. The entitled, jealous butthole dies. It's funny.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean Homer did left out that his dad had to sell his house to help Homer buy one.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only thing homer earned on that wall was his Grammy. most of the things on that wall are from luck like meeting Gerald Ford he just moves across the street, he met that one band because he was a freak that could get shot in the gut with a cannonball and he almost died from that, and the only reason he went to space was because NASA needed an average guy like him to go to space to boost ratings it was either him or Barney, franks head would've exploded if he heard Barney went to space.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think he could probably respect Barney a bit more since he got sober and became a genius acrobat during his training. Homer was chosen because Barney relapsed immediately due to some Virgin Champagne.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Homer was chosen because Barney relapsed
          see that's what I'm saying, it's just dumb luck!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Gerald Ford
        Yeah, that was lucky of him to have Ford just move in
        >Smashing Pumpkins
        This I actually think is more so Homer utilizing his "talent" of getting shot with a cannon to perform at big venues/festivals, which would more than likely have notable bands
        >NASA
        While I agree Barney would be the ideal candidate and someone Grimes would find somewhat more believable (in a sense that his true capabilities were simply diminished by his alcoholism), Barney and Homer were specially selected *because* they were average Americans. It could have been Grimes or anyone else really, so it doesn't make sense for him to hate Homer over it when it's a government choice of the populace.

        Also the one important aspect that Grimes nor anyone else seems to remember is that Homer is rather an extremely sociable person. Hell gladly sit down and have some beers with someone, he'll listen to their stories or give his own, and he's always friendly to people (likely from his stupidity/ignorance like with Grimes), but his experiences and fortune are primarily stemming from his abilities to socialize and make connections, rather than pure luck

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It could have been Grimes or anyone else really, so it doesn't make sense for him to hate Homer over it when it's a government choice of the populace.
          grimes didn't know that though and homer never explained it that way

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True. Also I'm sure Grimes was seething and "inanimate carbon rod"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >homer never explained it that way
            homer also didn't really know why he and Barney were chosen besides being average Americans so he can't really explain why he went to space. NASA never told homer that he was just going to boost ratings and the public's interest in space and from homers perspective normal guys like him get chosen to go to space all the time so when homer says to Grimes "you've never been?" he's saying it like guys like them get sent to space all the time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i never noticed that apu is white in that picture

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking hated this episode, it was legit the beginning of the end for the series

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nah it was the peak you're just a miserable Cinemaphilegay who will never be happy

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Liking the episode" doesn't mean "agreeing with Grimes."

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The episode made it clear that Grimes was a c**t despite being technically right with Homer being written far more kindly than usual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats the problem, the episodes was FARCED. (Forced + Farce)

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people love Homer's Enemy but hate Principal and the Pauper? They're from the same season and come from the same place.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because one doesn’t actively change a character. Skinner not actually Skinner doesn’t add anything and just feels weird. Meanwhile Frank is his own character, him just being immediately killed off doesn’t raise questions or leave anything unresolved.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Skinner not actually Skinner doesn’t add anything
        But that's the point
        The whole episode is making fun of how the status quo will always snap back

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes and they don't like that joke. It's basically "we ruined a character, now pretend we didn't, wink wink" even Harry Schearer was like "Guys I don't think this joke is going to fly."

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah and it was shit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah the idea was to do what typical sitcom shows sometimes do with their big reveal about an established character and then return to the status quo anyway and never speaking of that reveal again. Like they’re trying to lampoon or parody other shows that do that. The problem is they played it too straight and it just becomes one of those bad “sitcoms return to the status quo” moments at the expensive of ruining an established Simpsons character. So the intended joke doesn’t land and instead the Simpsons has that bad sitcom moment type of shit as part of its canon suddenly. I mean now it’s like whatever who cares so much shit in the Simpsons why fret over skinner being an impostor, but back then ruining skinner just to lampoon the concept of tv shows returning to status quo was a terrible idea. Also doesn’t help that the episode itself is also fairly joke less for that time period, even without ruining skinner it’s a bland episode compared to every episode around it. I think it could have worked honestly but they needed characters pointing out how stupid it was as a concept and how much it didn’t make sense maybe ruining other established canon in the process so the audience realizes it’s a meta joke when it all just returns to normal in the end. But it’s played straight and instead of parodying bad episodes and writing it simply is one, good intentions don’t justify bad execution.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not a big fan of either episode tbqh. Neither of them are all that funny. Principal is slightly worse because it needlessly tampers with a beloved character.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I too watched TheRealJims video

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In canon, Homer didn't suffer
    >His mother left him
    >Neglectful emotional distant father
    >Poor-earnings in early seasons
    >No respect from his peers
    Homer's Enemy is a story of a victim complex motivated by envy vs humblity motivated by kindness

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think this episode and the show in general often shows a world that really is unfair and sometimes people just get lucky despite not deserving it or that bad things happen even when you do everything right but it's best to just accept things as they come and to try not get caught in the current of emotion that accompany drastic changes and make things seem too clear and easy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i miss season 1-10 the simpsons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t forget zero respect despite legitimately accomplishing amazing things such as saving a space flight and being a top-selling musician.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He fell so hard for the meritocracy meme that he killed himself.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're not supposed to agree with Grimes, OP

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whether it's him or Quagmire, bitter betas always gotta be picking on the real men.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I sort of sympathize with old Grimey.
    I mean life aint easy when you live above a bowling alley, and below one, as well.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is one of my fave Simpsons episodes and I honestly feel like people just project onto Grimes, he honestly doesn't deserve much sympathy imo. The guy may have had a shitty life and yes Homer did some jerky things to him unintentionally but the guy is just an abrasive bitter butthole who basically made no effort to ingratiate himself with other people. The guy makes little effort to set proper boundaries with Homer in a polite but firm way and then is shocked when this good natured idiot crosses them. He doesn't even properly call out Homer on the acid incident or ask why he ratted him out to Burns. Then when Homer tries to make amends, granted in his own dumbass way, Grimes loses it and basically calls him a lazy parasite. The man is clearly poor and yet is going to turn down a homecooked meal and an opportunity to hopefully put a stop to the shit that's been annoying him. Then when Homer tries to be more professional, Grimes just spits on the effort before going out of his way to humiliate him. I'm supposed to feel bad for this guy, why?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because theres a point where the suffering just simply makes you snap. Grimes being angry at homer on the dinner scene was him snapping already, and realizing his life will never be better. the contest was him simply taking the only possible conclusion.

      at the end of the episode we see a man DYING, literally killing himself because he had to deal with such an horrible life. so of course people would side with him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I understand that but Grimes took his anger out on the wrong person and let it consume him. He's a tragic character sure, but is he a sympathetic one when he pretty much makes no effort to improve his his immediate work situation at the plant and make a friend when the opportunity is presented to him? The contest wasn't the only possible conclusion, he could have talked to Homer on a human level and attempted to work this out in a professional way. The irony of this guy accusing Homer of being unprofessional when he goes out of his way to humiliate him like a petty child is palpable. Frank's death, though tragic, is partly of his own doing. The guys life was horrible but he made zero effort to make friends or forge relationships that might have made it more tolerable. I find it hard to shed tears for a man who's whole ethos on life seems to be ''If I just work hard I'll be happy, rich and successful, who needs people!?'' Frank hates Homer but apparently has no dislike of Burns despite hiring him only to immediately give his position away to a literal dog and giving him no opportunity to explain the acid situation. Again, misplaced anger and honestly just an example of how naive and spineless Grimes is.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          except Mr Burns was also stupidly out of character too in the episode, HE KNOWS that if something like the acid situation woudld happen, it would have been Homer's fault.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >at the end of the episode we see a man DYING, literally killing himself because he had to deal with such an horrible life. so of course people would side with him.

        Not to mention, the ending when everyone laughs during the funeral because Homer did/say something stupid and Grimes grave just falls....................

        This episode was a weird, well i know we are not allowed to say torture porn thanks to ''Sr Juanito Entradas'', but honestly, this is one of them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          torture porn that old dead frick can't tell me what to do

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm supposed to feel bad for this guy
      I don't think you are, at least not entirely.

      Frank Grimes was probably one of, if not the most, competent and logical people introduced in those older seasons and I think that's because he was supposed to represent the everyman from our world. He is what happens when YOU end up in a world that revolves around Homer Simpson and are forced to coexist with him: you go fricking insane. Frank's over-the-top backstory is probably the most cartoony thing about him and it's what makes his decent into madness and death tragic. You really feel for this guy at times because he works so hard just to scrape by and that's totally relateable to people.

      But then Homer yells at Marge to change the channel in his sleep at Frank's funeral and every just forgets about him because they're laughing too hard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I can understand relating to him in that aspect for sure, I just think people tend to gloss over the fact that Frank did himself no favors and is kind of an butthole.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Kind of an butthole
          Kinda but not really, Frank didn't really DO anything assholish until the prank. The favors he wasn't doing himself were his lack of actual assertiveness and standing up for himself.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True, but I would also add stubbornness and pride to that. Again I maintain he could have made more of an effort to accept the olive branches Homer was offering him and make things better on that score. He could have made a friend, which he clearly needs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah, Homer isn't worth reaching out to, the guy is a wreck and we know that. But Homer is ultimately a small problem in his life that's solved by him asserting himself to greater degrees which either lets him stand up to Homer better or gets him far away from him. But no he just accepts being shat on by who he deems the "proper authorities".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I can understand relating to him in that aspect for sure, I just think people tend to gloss over the fact that Frank did himself no favors and is kind of an butthole.

            What people DONT take into account is the fact that, yes, we know that having a shit-life might make you into a grump and kinda jerky because you seen and been trough much yet, still doesn't excuse and you shouldn't lashed out towards others that didn't wrong you or just hurt or be miserable to others or make them as such, that doesn't really need more explanation.

            But the way i see it is, people like Grimes endup being the fallout guy for the other people who did indeed pushing him up to that limit breaking point, specially when everyone around him, DOESNT, HELP, in fact, THEY MAKE IT WORSE, and the same way suffering does not justify assholishess, Obliviousness and Lack of Caring, doesn't either.

            And lets face it, to the plot to work the way it did, EVERYONE was out of character, including the same type of people who would (and sometimes rightfully) lash out at Homer for his reckless and oblivious stupidity, however, here, is the ''Idiots just see an Idiot'' situation.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nobody cares cause i say so

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Going into someone’s house and b***hing and getting upset about all of the shit that that have/have done when they try to break bread is pretty dickish.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The guy got you there under the pretenses of it being some kind of emergency. It's not like Homer actually invited him over for dinner.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He wouldn’t have come otherwise, and it was still a gesture of good faith.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the problem is that we know WHY he is an butthole, he really never had friends or anything who could love him. why would he bother to try to find friends when the only outcome would be him being betrayed anyway?

          and even if he was a prick to others (which he must have hid very well since his interactions with others outside homer were polite enough), he STILL tried to save homer's life by throwing the acid bottle.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            His parents abandoned him yes but that doesn't mean he couldn't have tried to make friends or find a lover. Sure he was polite but he never made an effort to make any friends at the plant, even when he easily could have if he just tried. The guy just seems to think he can just get through life on his own when its clearly not working for him. If he had any sense of emotional maturity and intelligence, Homer could have been his first true friend. Him saving Homers life is noble and the right thing to do, but it doesn't make his other flaws go away.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I feel his over the top backstory hurt his Everyman image.
        If he was just a poor guy who worked hard then that would of made his clash better.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it's true that Grimes's backstory is so ridiculous (along with lines about living below and above two bowling alleys) that the "guy from the real world" aspect doesn't fully come off.

          Also the subplot with Bart and Milhouse, while it ties into the main plot a bit, is almost on a different wavelength from the rest of the episode.

          But I imagine that internal logic kind of falls by the wayside a little bit when scripts are getting written and rewritten. Frank's backstory is funny so it stayed. If they made him a more plausible real-world guy he wouldn't be funny and his death would be more disturbing than it is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The man is clearly poor and yet is going to turn down a homecooked meal
      Because visiting Homer made him late for his 2nd job. Also Homer didn't tell Grimes he was being invited for dinner because Homer was worried that Grimes wouldn't come.

      So Grimes had no reason to assume he would get a meal and no time to eat one.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Personally I don't understand how a nuclear engineer would need a 2nd job, even if his pay was docked at some point. They make like 90-150k a year.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Grimes is a walking compendium of every "hard luck" trope, so of course he would need to work another job just to make ends meet, they don't even need to tell us why.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He happened to like hookers, okay?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't get it anon. Those bowling alleys above and below his apartment? He's paying for them too

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The universe hates Grimes and wants him to suffer. Who the frick puts a bowling alley on the third floor of a building?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          maybe he was keeping that second job until his first paycheck from burns shows up, he didn't even last a week. as a matter of fact I don't think frank did any ACTUAL work at the plant, i think he was there for 3 maybe 4 days before having his breakdown and all he ever did was b***h and moan to lenny and carl and all they do is tell him to lay off homer

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Touched Frank's personal belongings without his permission
    >nearly killed himself with sulfuric acid and got Frank a pay cut because of his incompetence
    >Proved to Frank multiple times that he's just a lazy and selfish idiot who coasted by in life
    Like it or not, Grimes is right. Homer is an idiot who would likely die if he wasn't living in a first-world country.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      killed himself with sulfuric acid and got Frank a pay cut because of his incompetence
      The writers glossed over this bit, making me doubt they really wanted audience sympathy for Grimes.

      If they dwelt on the fact that Grimes saved Homer's life and Homer "repaid" him by getting his pay docked, there'd be no debate over who was in the wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Machine Jerk

      grimes should be right but he's not. homer's right when he says his face would've been red if he had drank the acid because that's the worst that would happen to him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If Frank had that kind of meta-awareness, he'd have killed himself even faster probably. Either that or achieved enlightenment and walked out of the show. That's the only good ending for him.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How DARE you have an easy life! You have to be an unlucky wage slave like me!!!

    >heh heh heh lawn mower go vroom

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's not his point. His point is that Homer has somehow managed to live in relative luxury despite displaying nothing but reckless ignorance, while he himself has barely managed to earn his way to the power plant and still underachieves. He doesn't exactly think Homer should be just miserable as him, but rather he's frustrated that Homer has found himself in a better position with no effort and that effort barely did anything for himself.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes because its highly entertaining homosexual

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How DARE you have an easy life! You have to be an unlucky wageslave like me!
    Unironically yes.
    We will burn your petit bourgeoisie homes, we will stake your families, and we will behead you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Least insane commie

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is about a more realistic and driven character getting driven crazy by Homer's cartoon antics and dying in the process.
    You aren't really supposed to agree with him you are supposed to be amused by how fricked up things turn out for him.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    grimey had it coming

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thatsthejoke.jpg

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tbf Homer was also kind-off a douche for no reason on this episode

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Exactly how you would react?

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I unironically grew up wanting to be a nuclear safety inspector because I thought Homer was a success and someone to aspire to, he has a lot of flaws and isn’t the brightest but has responsibly protected Springfield from meltdown for decades. Then the nuclear plant near me closed when I was in high school and I don’t want to move anywhere so didn’t do that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well that was anti-climatic

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why this thread again? I've seen multiple threads on this same topic the past few days. Is this just all bots or (you) farmers or what? Seriously.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just co being co

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I unironically think "Two Bad Neighbors" is the better episode with this theme, not only it has funnier gags but the antagonist "realistic character" actually acts more realistically and at the end of the story more maturely. I suppose people don't have such strong feelings about it because it's just about a retiree that wants to chill instead of an overworked wageslave, or they can't detach their political views from it despite the episode being deliberately written to be as apolitical as possible.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’d agree. Really good episode.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it's more because Two Bad Neighbors is just a blatant Dennis the Menace parody for the entire first half.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The episode makes more sense if you take it as an episode meant to introduce a comedic foil to the main character gone incredibly awry, wherein instead of shrugging off the everyday awkwardness like his peers he interrogates and challenges it and drives himself up the wall until he sinks to the same cartoonish depths he whines of just to prove himself right as per formula, except he just ends up written out of the show when test audiences don’t react positively to him. Cause really, when you take out the meta commentary that requires all the characters of Springfield to act stupider and more accepting than they usually are, that’s what you get. An ironic episode where the main character wants to impress a newcomer, only for the new guy to comically get more irate and insane for every mistake and overt gesture to be friendly performs by said main character, only for the newcomer’s planned petty revenge scheme to fail…but instead of kissing and making up afterwards, with both sides realizing they handled the situation wrong and starting over as tolerant coworkers, Frank just suicides and leaves the show, and everyone immediately forgets about him

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >People trying to seriously discuss an absurd humor comedy sitcom like The Simpsons is like seeing people argue over The Naked Gun

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't believe Frank stopped to pick up that fricking nickel in the middle of the gunfight. He's a professional police officer and that was extremely irresponsible and dangerous. Is he stupid? They would have trained him specifically NOT to do things like that, baka.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So everyone else watched that RealJims video too, huh? Ironically, that was also a response to some twitter blow up about this episode

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that RealJims video
      Whomst? Also, qrd?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        TheRealJims is probably one of the best simpsons youtube channels. He does exhaustive character breakdowns of side characters and unimportant characters, specific episode reviews, and things like "what do people mean by the golden era". His voice is also not annoying, and he has a fun editing style. If you like listening to breakdowns of simpsons stuff, he's probably the best channel you will find.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        TheRealJims is probably one of the best simpsons youtube channels. He does exhaustive character breakdowns of side characters and unimportant characters, specific episode reviews, and things like "what do people mean by the golden era". His voice is also not annoying, and he has a fun editing style. If you like listening to breakdowns of simpsons stuff, he's probably the best channel you will find.

        He also has a video series doing a sort of theory/what if of "Who Really Shot Mr.Burns" because Maggie was always a cop out answer. (He fully says it's just for fun and knows it's canon Maggie shot Mr.Burns)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only Simpsonstuber that Cinemaphile actually likes.
        His Pixar tier list was also ok, if not a bit basic and fanboyish.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Homer is a bumbling but well-meaning suburban father, he's relatable to a working class guy
    >Homer is a cartoon character whose entire existence is slapstick, you're not supposed to be relatable
    Further evidence this show was never good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's more a testament to how the show changed over time, even in just the first 9 seasons. Homer was a mostly normal father in the first two or three seasons, not some dumbass with cartoon armor. He didn't go on outlandish wacky adventures. This show invented the term flanderization, but honestly other characters were flanderized a while before ned himself was. This tends to be the result of new writers replacing old ones and not understanding how the characters work outside of "haha he's stupid, let's make a joke where he almost drinks sulfuric acid by accident".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nah it was very damn good you're just a miserable Cinemaphilegay who will never be happy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was the point where he shifted from the first interpretation to the second

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's more a testament to how the show changed over time, even in just the first 9 seasons. Homer was a mostly normal father in the first two or three seasons, not some dumbass with cartoon armor. He didn't go on outlandish wacky adventures. This show invented the term flanderization, but honestly other characters were flanderized a while before ned himself was. This tends to be the result of new writers replacing old ones and not understanding how the characters work outside of "haha he's stupid, let's make a joke where he almost drinks sulfuric acid by accident".

      Even if he does get dumber over time, they managed to keep that working class core to his character (for the most part, it kind of gets lost in more celebrity-centric or outlandish episodes like Homer going to space). "And Maggie Makes Three" is one of the most popular "working class Homer" portrayals and it's a season 6 episode.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is the problem here?

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What’s interesting is that Homer is the Frank Grimes to Ned Flanders, especially in the early seasons. He resents Flanders, hopes he fails, and even tries to bring him down like Grimes. The difference being that when Homer succeeds in this he feels bad and fixes the issue. If Grimes had succeeded in bringing Homer down, would he have had a similar come to Jesus moment?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would say the different is Flanders get by on luck, he gets by on working hard and having God on his side in a few instances. The Homer/Flanders rivalry as it started was basically just the typical "being jealous of your next door neighbor who's in a higher tax bracket than you so he has stuff you wish you could afford"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Flanders DIDN'T get by on luck, I meant

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Flanders is in a higher tax bracket simply because he actually does them properly and does them on New Year's day.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also because he went from being a salesman for the pharmaceutical industry (which pays very well) to the owner of his own small business which basically just has him and his wife as employees (which makes a lot of money if your business does well).

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would a real world person try to come up with a plan to embarrass Homer like Frank did? Personally, I’d just ignore Homer and start looking for a better job while I saved my money.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess you could argue that this is the Simpsons world version of a real world guy, so he still has a lot of the DNA of TV characters in him.

      So as a guy from a TV world, Grimes is inclined toward zany schemes, he just expects a zany scheme to have a more or less realistic result. What shocks him (literally) is realizing that Homer is the protagonist and therefore everything will work out OK for him no matter what.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A real person who start trying to have sdc with Ms Crabapple

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even though the episode wasn't his idea, I like John Swartzwelder's POV on the moral universe of this episode.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >darkest half hours of tv
      It's dark for like the last 3 min and is wacky hijinks before that. Like him laughing evilly over Homer falling for the contest, only for his car to get smashed as a form of instant karma

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        think about the episode from a 1999 standpoint. There really wasn't anything like this on prime time television, and especially nothing animated. At this point in time, there were no animated shows dealing with stuff like this airing alongside shows like Frasier or Friends.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After Homer made his life harder by getting his salary reduced.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who was in the raw here?
    Homer man or Wojack man?

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I miss Phil Hartman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought his death coincided with the death of the show, but then i remember he was also in a few of the terrible seasons, with bart the mother and realty bites

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's an episode about a "realistic" person being driven insane by Homer and the cartoon world logic that allows him to exist. It's the most simple fricking deconstruction in the world and half of Cinemaphile doesn't get it.
    Is this the most moronic board on Cinemaphile?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no thats Cinemaphile

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cause too many people see themselves in Frank Grimes and agree with Frank Grimes on how Homer's a fat lazy slob, but instead of laughing at the ridiculousness instead project themselves onto Frank going "How dare that Homerino treat me, er, Frank Grimes that badly! Oooh how I hate the Homers of the world who are keeping me down!"

      That and Frank Grimes is arguably more cartoonish than realistic, but frickit, that's more analysis than this post deserves

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, because that unlucky bastard died.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Homer was literally the only one who tried to be Frank Grimes’ friend. Frank Grimes isn’t a normal person in a world of cartoon logic; he’s a madman sculpted into a demented caricture of a noble person. The game was rigged against Grimes from start. If Homer is Sisyphus or Tantulus, where victory and success is always just out of reach but he’s too stupid to realize he’ll never get it, than Frank Grimes Ixion, where the universe actively wants him and wants him to safer. Or, to put it in terms Homer might understand, the world plays “keep-away” or “chase the red dot”with Homer, while
    it plays “fist to the face” and “saw trap” with Frank Grimes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Homer was literally the only one who tried to be Frank Grimes’ friend.
      Maybe grimey found this to be off putting. I've only ever had like two friends both from elementary school, so anybody in my adult life who tried to be friendly I was skeptical or put off by. could also be the autism though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >People being overtly friendly enough for me to notice?
        >This is a ruse
        Trauma response. You've been cruelly pranked by young women and aspiring chads who feigned friendship to publicly humiliate you. Because you couldn't see it coming you've defaulted back to treating all positive interaction as a threat.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder how many people ITT have never watched the episode and only watched that one YouTube video about it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder how many people replying to the OP post saying shit like this didn't read anything else in the thread besides the OP post.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Grimey not watch the previous seasons of the Simpsons to learn of Homer's hard work and sacrifices? Is he stupid?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did Grimey allow one incompetent employee to live completely rent free in his noggin to such a degree that he killed himself in a fit of rage?
      Why did he go out of his way to try to humiliate Homer in an unhinged, childish scheme?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Never worked a job with shitty coworkers eh

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have, I've even managed shitty employees. Just stop taking shit so personally, if they're not inhibiting your work, under you or overseeing you then it's not your problem. Trying to make it your problem is just entitled bullshit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Homer chewed his pencils and invaded his space.sounds like you're a shit manager
            >id rather have useless morons than people who get stuff done

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Half the episode is Homer trying to appease Grimey. Being a minor annoyance and then fixing your behavior is pretty fricking low on the "shitty coworker" spectrum.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I work with one guy who absolutely HATES one of the managers in the builing, to the point that he just starts getting irrationally RIPSHIT about anything once he suspects said manager has something to do with it. You could give him a completely benign bit of information, and if he has any reason to suspect the manager is involved, he'll find a way to get angry and incredulous over it.

          Some people have fricked up brains.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In my experiences in both the professional and academic world, I'd much rather work with a Homer than a Grimey. Homers, at worst, are a well meaning nuisance that you have to cover for. But Grimeys? Those up their own ass frickers will actively sabotage anyone that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards and comes across as an easy mark, a pattern of behavior Grimey himself partakes in. I know it's fun to joke about but "IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT I SUCCEED OTHERS SHOULD FAIL" homosexuals do genuinely exist, and if Homer didn't work at the plant Grimey would probably be undermining Carl or Lenny instead.

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frank gets undeserved shit. He had to fight for everything in his life. When you're built different you cant just get along with a homer
    Frick the homersexuals in this thread

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They like it because Homer spends a lot of time b***hing about his fantastic life and great family. Not as much as Lisa but close.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Time to go home to my beautiful wife and eat lobster
    Doh doh doh

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