There are many superheroes who could have easily stopped the terrorist attacks and there has been villains who have done worse things in marvel and dc
How did comics explain the continuity of the twin towers
There are many superheroes who could have easily stopped the terrorist attacks and there has been villains who have done worse things in marvel and dc
Well the thing is real things are meant to happen, the world of comics can't deviate too much from real life or people will lost interest.
You can't have superman fighting on Irak, since it would be in poor taste to the modern reader, in the same way you can't full scifi and create a super utopia where the world is vastly different from ours because continuity will get even more retarded.
>You can't have superman fighting on Irak, since it would be in poor taste to the modern reader
intervening in WWII was fine however
because everyone involved or cared about WW2 is either dead or old as shit. give another 40 or 60 years and we will see the same for Afghanistan or Irak
anon do you think superheroes getting involved in WWII only started happening recently
If you asked the average American what we went to war in Iraq for, they would probably say something akin to 'there were terrorists/we wanted oil', because Americans are so detached from our conflicts now that they don't even need to learn geopolitics, and even if we did, the machinations of government are so shrouded in doublespeak and political bickering that giving Superman a position on any of it would be a controversial political statement no matter where he stood on it.
In WWII you have the "Nazis bad/Imperial Japan bad" narrative and you don't really need to do more than that to sell comics.
In the most obvious example I can think of, in Watchmen Dr. Manhattan fights in Vietnam and the US wins. I think it's not that people lose interest if you deviate from real history, it's that they're not self-contained stories, they try to maintain a continuity over many years and many writers and many crossovers, which enforces a certain status quo. Otherwise there would be too much history for new readers to pick up on and for different writers who are forced to set their stories in the same fictional universe to keep straight.
Wasn't wildstorm which did something like that? there was an apocalyptic event in one comic and all other comics where forced not to exist in a madmax esque world?
Can I be pedantic about Watchmen for a second? The thing with Dr Manhattan winning the Vietnam war is that it doesn't make sense. This war sure was against the communist Vietnamese but it was a proxy war between them and the Soviets and China that were backing the communist side. The USA didn't lost for lack of trying but because escalating the war against the North Vietnamese would make the soviet escalate as well which would led to nuclear war. Now I could be just dumb but bringing a big blue godlike energy man to a conventional war would definitely escalate it.
I'm just saying the main problem in Watchmen was the nuclear war approaching but if they actually deployed Dr Manhattan the nuclear war would have started there and then.
Now this rant has a point, and that is Moore didn't really understood the real historical facts about the war in hindsight which makes way more dangerous for a comic to follow up real events as theiy happen.
Imagine Superman helping the troops in Irak or killing Bin Laden himself, just for 2 month from there for the IRL Bin Laden to still be at large, or some reporter showing some real war crime made by the Americans Don't you think that would cause some bad PR for DC comics?
This is just 1 reason for why Comics don't do that but I'm sure there are many more.
Didn't we enter Vietnam to bring France into NATO and they went back on it initially?
Vietnam was a France territory, originally France was allowed to let it go for reasons which I don't remember right now, but as many former colony nations at that time the communist ideas where brewing into how the new government could go about doing things, eventually the country split in two sides and America not wanting the communist ideas to spread took arms to aid the capitalist side to take over the country. I'm sure there where other reasons but I'm just a guy in Cinemaphile, go watch a video in the subject.
I think the fact that propaganda back then was an actual over thing makes the comics just a branch of that. "look kids, your favorite hero is fighting nazi, help them out asking your parent to buy war bonds"
The USSR's nuclear stockpile at the time Watchmen was written was around triple the size it was in ~1970 when Manhattan was sent to Vietnam, and is implied in the comic to be much higher than it was in real life. It's stated in the comic that Manhattan would be able to stop most of Russia's nuclear weapons, but that those that got through would still be enough to wipe out most life in the northern hemisphere. So at the time he was in Vietnam the Russians had no first strike capability. I don't necessarily disagree with your general point, just that specific example.
Bro... did you even read the comic?
What I say is that WW3 would have started way earlier that the 80s like in the comic.
I thought it did escalate the Cold War tensions and the only reason why the Soviets didn’t retaliate is because Dr Manhattan could literally do anything (as far as they knew at least).
If Russia launched nukes this early Manhattan would have neutralized them
You are not dumb but you forget something. It was not on US or Chinese or Soviet soil. So all parties have no reason tomescalate it further as long as their country borders are unaffected.
>their country borders are unaffected.
Am I remembering wrong or did the USA made Vietnam an actual state in the continuity of the comic?
Thats HBO continuity.
I would highly recommend watching the Ken Burns Vietnam War documentary. Containment was a U.S. policy but nuclear retaliation wasn't inevitable. Agent Orange and napalm were horrific enough and didn't move the needle on a Soviet response.
Dont forget fantasy, far future or alternate history stories. They work and people like them!
They aren't shackled in the ways I mentioned though.
>you can't full scifi and create a super utopia where the world is vastly different from ours
Wasnt that one of the main bits about startrek that made it so popular?
Yes but it takes place in the far future (at the time) we area talking about something that starts like our current world and goes it separate way at some point
Interesting comic. I read it everytime when i see it posted.
But what i find funny is that this is a world with Superman but no Doomsday nor Brainiac? But they have a Smithsonian Museum of Super Heroes.
Besides he doesnt need money or work, because the world owns him trillions. Besides he seems to have powers and still can be usefull. You could use him to mine asteroids!
And why is the not-criminal heating the mask by wearing it?
I think Superman lives in Metropolis, not in New York.
he just got there really fast
isn't Metropolis essentially fictional NYC?
You motherfucker!
Good one
Took me a second.
Don't get it
Loss
Yeah it's in the filename, kinda ruins the joke
I prefer the Spider-man versions. Those were funny
The fact all those threads where copypasted for four days and everyone keeps answering speaks a lot about the immigration rate of this board
Some of us have lives and don’t spend every minute of every day on Cinemaphile.
Not me. They’re the lucky ones
Well I know how I would explain it.
Jet fuel cant melt steel beams.
Well not with that attitude.
Dr. Doom cried.
No that was just a malfunctioning Doombot, peasant.
DOOM IS WIENER WHO CRIES LIKE A BABY.
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Scenario
- Peter Parker is on one of the planes
- Clark Kent is on one of the planes
(Bruce Wayne is too rich to fly public)
Do they manage to stop at least their plane without giving away their identity?
>Peter Parker is on one of the planes
Peter could probably have stopped his plane without revealing his identity as except for the wall crawling, most of his abilities could easily be explained away in the heat of the moment. Like displays of his super strength could be explained by adrenaline (as long as he doesn’t go too overboard) and with spider sense, well that’s just him being extremely lucky. He would probably still have died though since I don’t think he would know how to safely land a plane. Now he would probably find a way to survive being thrown out of the plane (and then later would explain "Spider-Man saw me falling and caught me") but I don’t know if he’d be able to get back up to stop the plane afterwards. I guess he could call some other superheroes to save the day tho.
>Clark Kent is on one of the planes
Clark would comedically bumble around and "accidentally" stop the hijackers by tripping into a bunch of them like a bowling ball and knocking them out, or he sneezes and the gun flies out of the terrorist’s hand because "Oh I guess I must have really surprised him!" that sort of shit. He probably would manage to land the plane safely because imagine Superman’s been involved in enough plane rescues that he knows enough about how they work (and for Clark the reason is "My parents dusted their crops and really this is just a big ol’ crop duster") but even if he didn’t know what he’s doing and crashed it killing everyone else, he’d still survive of course. However in that case his reputation would probably take a hit NOT because he lived and everyone else died but because the black box would show him as a bumbling idiot, who just kept flailing around and getting in the way while the other passengers were taking the situation seriously. The other path is for him to get thrown out of the plane (again "Superman saw and caught me") but unlike Spidey, Supes would DEFINITELY be able to get back up and stop them.
Peter would have his webshooters, his spider-sense might go off once the hijackers try to take over
Clark would also have his super-senses go off
They can possibly subdue all the hijackers before the cockpit is breached
can superman fly while carrying the plane by the yoke to pretend he's flying the plane normally?
Spider-Man 2 train situation, the passengers find out but promise not to tell
Well, I liked ex machina but apparently everybody else forgot about it.
>the terrorist attacks
lmao
it's been decades and you guys still say this
I don’t think 9/11 even happened in the DC universe.
Don't listen to the fucking casuals in this thread
At the time 9/11 happened DC was wrapping up Our Worlds At War, which was Superman and many of Earth's heroes fighting Imperiex who unleashed major destruction on Earth, so for DC's purposes this was the 9/11 equivalent, even if unintentional
With the New 52 they changed it so that there were few or no superheroes before Batman, and Clark didn't become Superman until some time after 9/11 but during the George W Bush era (Bush is President when the Justice League is formed, in the first JL arc)
After Doomsday Clock things changed but they haven't explained how 9/11 happened, or if it happened at all
With timelines getting slid it might mean Superman and Batman were born in the 90s
I'm glad I'm a casual, it sounds super boring keeping up with all this. I just want to read a cool superhero comic now and then, I don't care about all this shared universe shit.
That's just laziness
Yeah, you're right. I should read trash to earn my right to read good material. It's not like I can read other consistent universes by non-comic book authors that don't have this issue, right?
A lot of fiction puts a lot of weight in that terrorist attack even when the fiction itself has much worse.
Metal Gear series had Arsenal Gear crashing into Manhattan and destroying a whole lot more, but then in MGR it's 9/11 that is referenced even though Arsenal Gear is much more recent and much more catastrophic.