How did Feyd-Rautha find siech Tabr immediately?

How did Feyd-Rautha find siech Tabr immediately?

It was established earlier that the Harkonnens who had been ruling Arrakis for centuries mistook the number of Fremen from millions for only a few tens of thousands so they had to be super well hid, but Feyd found and destroyed their main base on like day 1.

I thought they were going to reveal Gurney was a double agent or had a tracker implanted in him after that but it was just never addressed.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Once it was known Paul was Muad'Dib the Guild sided with the Emperor and gave up what they knew.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That’s a book plot though, it was not established in the movie at all. I don’t even think the Guild as an organization was even mentioned past the first movie and even then it was like a one off line.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the movie states the Guild accept spice from the Fremen to turn a blind eye to the south and consider it off limits and uninhabitable.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the movie states the Guild accept spice from the Fremen to turn a blind eye to the south and consider it off limits and uninhabitable.
          When was this stated in the movie?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In conversation between paul and stil about 3/4 through part two. It is only like two lines but it is in there.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don’t remember that happening at all, I think you’re confusing a book plot line for what’s just not explained in the movie

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there should've been a minute more of dialogue with the baron just beiing like "Ive been advising my mentats to mislead rabban so feyd gets the credit for suppressing the fremen rebellion"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What people like you don't understand that Denis does is that addition is subtraction. Every added explanation comes at the cost of characterization. Denis is building larger than life monstrous characters who's every second of screentime is utulized to project an image. You are wallowing in the logistics of 17 different hoops to jump through to make a story about "drugs give you le super powers" seem reasonable and something that should be taken seriously. It will never be a serious story. To put such nonsense words and explanations for the nonsense in the mouths of characters is actively harmful to what you can accomplish by just showing the monsters parading around.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        moronic, the book did a much better job explaining the Harkonnens plots and the books did a much better job at making them larger than life monsters

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Just view Dunc1&2 as an extended series of music videos based on Dune. When you do that, the need for tidy exposition and cinematic pacing falls away. I'm not even memeing, I think this adaptation really works better when it's not judged as a film per se, but as something else.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But the music sucks

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's the whole point of the written medium. That is not the point of a visual medium. You don't treat them the same because you can't accomplish the same conveyances in the same way.

          Writing is the deadest dead medium that ever existed. There is no life in written word. It is an abstraction of vital life signaling communication noises. The only species capable of valuing written and spoken language is an awkward teenage species caught between the infancy of pure vital signaling (earth animals) and adulthood transmission of information through embodiment (simulation exposure). Film is stillborn because it is recorded but it is at least closer to life.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The fact that film is a visual medium does not mean you just shouldn’t even bother giving the villains plans and goals other than murdering their own soldiers and innocents every single scene.

            Also calling writing a dead genre is legitimately just moronic

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Also calling writing a dead genre is legitimately just moronic
              Oh yea? Then name the last time I've read a book

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The plan and goal is to seize power and it is clearly conveyed.

              Dead medium, not dead genre. You fundamentally misunderstand what I am saying. All mediums are methods of conveying information. The closer a medium is to lived experience the more life is in the medium. Writing is the furthest medium from lived experience. An example of a medium on the other end of the spectrum closest to living would be live dance. Body language conveys more information more accurately about the environment than words could ever hope to accomplish.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You fundamentally misunderstand what I am saying
                The term dead medium implies it was once alive, but the way you’re describing it as being far from a lived experience is something that has always been true about writing so doesn’t make sense. You’re also just wrong, being told a story is something that speaks deeply to us as humans and is a very fundamental experience to human life.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The plan and goal is to seize power and it is clearly conveyed.

                Then don’t add plot elements like the Harkonnens not knowing how many Fremen there are or where their bases are if you intend to completely ignore that later on.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He has precognition like Paul, because like Paul he has been genetically bred to create the Kwisatz Haderach. It's the reason Paul couldn't see the attack coming, their precognitions clashed against each other.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It might not be that way in the books, but it's clearly how it's portrayed in the movie

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not really lel

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes it is, he tells Lady Fenring that he's seen her in a dream he had, like Paul has dreams of Chani. Both endure the pain box so they're both potential Kwisatz Haderach's.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not really lel

        Damn, your powers of debate are unparalleled. I sure am convinced now.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Holy kek you're such a a wrong little gay boy. Enjoy your slop

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hey, paying attention is hard.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Paul saw the attack coming well in advance and that is why he refused to go South as long as he did. It gets spelled out in the books that being able to see the future is a trap.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Paul saw the attack coming well in advance and that is why he refused to go South as long as he did.
          Why wouldn’t seeing the attack coming make him want to go south? As opposed to just letting a lot of people die and then going south anyways?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            he saw everything, including him killing his cousin and having to mary the Emperor's pig daughter. He put it off as long as he could.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That’s a bit dumb though no? If you know it’s going to happen at some point, who draw it out and increase the amount of suffering both sides inflict on each other? He could also see the future so it’s as if he’s already experienced it anyway so why both putting it off?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He was still under the delusion he could make choices. That does not really exit the character untill he gets his eyes burnt out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >He was still under the delusion he could make choices.
                Then why didn’t he follow the Golden Path and leave it for his son to do? Knowing if someone didn’t it would mean the extinction of humanity?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He didn’t have prescience. Even if he had the genetic potential (probably didn’t), he had no Bene gesserit training, no mental training, no spice exposure and no water of life exposure.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He was in Arrakis for a while when the attack happened, so he could've easily had spice exposure, plus they groomed him to being the Kwisatz Haderach explicitly in the movie, even putting him through the Gom Jabbar test.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ok ive only read the books

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can't tell if these are real names or a Amanda Myward type joke

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Trying to approach dune from a sci fi angle just makes it all the more confusing. They apparently had life signature detecting tech, yet get ambushed all the time. They apparently had a satelite surveillance all over the planet, yet thought southern half was uninhabitable. Etc. Just accept that it was written in the 60s as a hippy drug fueled Lawrence of Arabia orientalist wank and turn your brain off.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Trying to approach dune from a sci fi angle just makes it all the more confusing.
      What genre is Dune if not sci-fi? How should it be approached?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It’s science fantasy/space opera.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Then the movie failed completely because Chalamet and Zendaya had 0 fricking chemistry.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What relevance does that have to the genre?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Operas require emotion and every emotional scene between Paul and Chani fell flat.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Neutralpepe.jpg

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What are neutral pepes thoughts on my post? Agree or disagree?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Neutral Pepe says space opera is a genre set in a spacefaring world where the focus is on adventure and characters rather than the specific mechanics of the world or scientific realism and minutiae of the technology. It does not mean ‘Opera, but in space’. Dune is more sci-fi than Star Wars but less than say, Starship Troopers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >and characters
                A core part of the movie was Paul and Chanis relationship and Zendayas shit acting and their lack of chemistry made what should have been the movies emotional heart just not work at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's a fan edit incoming that will remove most of zendayas screentime.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dunc 2 is almost 3 hours long and it simultaneously feels bloated and like seeing a trailer for another blockbuster you never get to experience.
    Bravo Villeneuve.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't ask questions. Just consume. Asking questions is very chuddish.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > How did Feyd-Rautha find siech Tabr immediately?

    Stilgar’s a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan. It’s in the appendices.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I thought they were going to reveal Gurney was a double agent or had a tracker implanted in him after that but it was just never addressed.

    In the book, there were sardaukar infiltrators among the smugglers. Though they didn't reveal the Sietch's location as they were after Paul. But the movie could have done it that way...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Sardaukar just completely sucked ass in the movie too. Every time someone would talk about the Sardaukar they’d talk them up as these elite badasses but every fight scene they got their asses kicked. The ecologist woman solos a couple.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Indeed. I don't think you ever see a sardaukar or a Harkonnen kill a fremen in hand to hand combat. In the books, the frenen warriors achieve parity with a sardaukar fighter, and can achieve a positive k/d ratio by sacrificing themselves. Similarly, the children, elderly and womenfolk of the fremen can send the sardaukar packing because they just suicidaly rush them and overwhelm them with numbers in a scrum. The great strength of the fremen is that they're fatalistically committed to the fight. Martial skill + no fear of death. The movie missed that message because it insists on avoiding depictions of casualties.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is that a urethral sound?

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