How did he manage to avoid getting the Cyclops treatment, especially when going up against RDJ's Iron Man?

How did he manage to avoid getting the Cyclops treatment, especially when going up against RDJ's Iron Man?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Captain America 3 is an Iron Man movie
    He didn't, it just wans't as bad as what happened to Cyclops and Superman.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Winter Soldier was the movie that made Cap universally cool to everyone

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the Captain America Winter Soldier movie saved him from that fate

      This. Winter Soldier was a legitimately good movie.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's easily the best one in the franchise

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's also the best Metal Gear movie.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sincerity.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the Captain America Winter Soldier movie saved him from that fate

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because even when he does something that is arguably wrong, he's still making a personal sacrifice standing up for a thing that is right (loyalty to a sick friend) and not making others make the sacrifice for him.

    He walks the walk without even talking the talk, and that makes him awesome, like Reeves was and Snyderman could never be.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Reeves

      Reeve, no S.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is pretty easy to mix up with George ReeveS.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is, but it's also my little pet peeve when it comes to Reeve's last name.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Boy it must drive you nuts if someone ever uses the possessive pronunciation

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Only if it's not properly punctuated.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thank you. You're right.
        I did totally do what

        It is pretty easy to mix up with George ReeveS.

        said

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Capgays are so insecure. You made this thread to make yourself feel better after getting shit on in the last thread. And the obvious samegayging makes you look twice as bad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, you just look like a moron in two threads.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because he's got his own movies, his own stories. He doesn't just exist to be a stuffy boring authority figure for the cool and exciting characters to cuck or rebel against the way Cyclops does.

    In comics he'd sometimes get treated as a moralgay who's trying to get some more popular hero to behave and stop killing people, but the movies didn't do that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >when going up against
      They had Cap and Bucky conceptualized before the Iron Manlet became a thing and was popular, even if those movie were released first. The fact that TFA didn't hit big (especially after Thor also didn't hit big) made them calibrate things, which is why they ended up with TWS, with Falcon's introduction and with Black Widow as a co-star (and also why Loki was shoe-horned into the Dark World sequel for Thor) - and they weren't married to nor forced to use the movies to further the infinity stones plot, meaning:

      >he's got his own movies, his own stories.

      Cyclops doesn't have a character in either of the movie continuities, he's just a dude who exists for Wolverine to smolder edgily toward and steal his girl in the first trilogy, and a plot device to try and make the audience give a shit about Jean in Dark Phoenix. Cap was his own character from the start, and any conflicts between him and Tony were on equal footing instead of one-sided.

      >any conflicts between him and Tony were on equal footing instead of one-sided.

      so Civil War became what it was - which was not a third Cap movie but Avengers 2.5. Cap and Manletman were not on equal footing although Cyclops never became as much of a star as Evans did but it also created a dichotomy that still lives on today with normies with their Team Iron Man baseball caps still placed on their heads with as much tightness as they can manage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so Civil War became what it was - which was not a third Cap movie but Avengers 2.5
        It was a Cap movie where Tony became a major antagonist, not an Avengers movie, no matter how much people want to meme it. Steve was the singular main protagonist, Tony and Zemo were the main antagonists, everyone else revolved around them. It was not an Avengers movie where the Avengers are main protagonists together fighting a common threat.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chris Evans is a likeable actor and his Cap has a blend of charisma and sincerity that plays really well with audiences. It helps that of the main Avengers cast you could easily argue he's the most handsome.

    In the case of getting the Cyclops treatment, this is partially due to Hugh Jackman being Logan, and Logan being the main character, with Cyke never having a movie of his own. James Marsden's Cyclops was a stick in the mud, and though Marsden is obviously handsome, the movies never play that up like they do for Logan, or like the MCU does for Cap.

    Additionally in Cap's case, RDJ's Tony while definitely being more charismatic was shorter and less classically handsome than Cap, and frankly kind of an butthole. It's entirely possible to be on Tony's side the whole time, but the movies up to Civil War both gave them time to shine so the Tony vs Steve discourse felt organic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The X-men movies seem to go out of the way to downplay Cyclops honestly.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They absolutely did because the writers/producers knew they struck gold with Jackman as Wolverine. Then Brian Singer goes off to do Superman Returns and takes Marsden with him so they kill off Scott, and frankly it doesn't even feel that forced. Dude barely did shit every movie.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cyclops doesn't have a character in either of the movie continuities, he's just a dude who exists for Wolverine to smolder edgily toward and steal his girl in the first trilogy, and a plot device to try and make the audience give a shit about Jean in Dark Phoenix. Cap was his own character from the start, and any conflicts between him and Tony were on equal footing instead of one-sided.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't downplay Captain America relative to Iron Man the same way they downplayed Cyclops relative to Wolverine, or pretty much damn near every character relative to Wolverine. Even if Iron Man was the MCU's main star, other characters got a fair shake and allowed to develop into their own characters that the audience could like, unlike with the Fox X-Men where everybody was second to Wolverine and pretty much stayed there. It was helped greatly that Evans was also a handsome guy that could endear women, while the character himself maintained a sense of composure, conviction, and a resolve to fight that men could respect. Seriously, I would like to see anyone to try and figure out what the frick Cyclops's character was in the X-Men movies, aside from laser eye man that seethed when Wolverine got a bit too close to Jean.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Even if Iron Man was the MCU's main star, other characters got a fair shake and allowed to develop into their own characters that the audience could like, unlike with the Fox X-Men where everybody was second to Wolverine and pretty much stayed there.
      It's really noticeable how even the secondary heroes in phases 1-3 of the MCU all get just enough time and characterization to give you a sense of who they are and what they're about, and some of them were able to carry their own stories later, while Fox's movies have a very clearly defined small core cast of characters and nobody else really matters. There's Wolverine, Xavier, Jean, Magneto and Mystique, the rest of the X-Men and Brotherhood rosters don't really matter, they're utterly interchangeable, and sometimes just there for that one scene that requires a character with that specific power, and nobody would really want to watch spin-off movies or shows about them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It helps that the MCU was designed as a multi-hero franchise from the start, which let more character debut in other solo movies where they'd have more time to shine instead of debuting in an Avengers movie and being lost in the shuffle. X-Men didn't have that luxury so it needed to pick and choose who the main characters were.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          While it's certainly harder to juggle a team in a single movie once they became a multifilm franchise it becomes less excusable. Movie 2 basically completely took everyone off the board save Wolverine and the less said about the last stand the better. The problem wasn't that the other X-men didn't get as much screen time the problem was that they were purposely not just downplayed but absolutely ruined for the sake of Wolverine.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The problem wasn't that the other X-men didn't get as much screen time the problem was that they were purposely not just downplayed but absolutely ruined for the sake of Wolverine.
            Sounds about right considering the era the X-Men trilogy was produced.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I should have include Xavier, Magneto, and Mystique, but clearly Wolverine was meant as the primary focus, considering he was the only character to get solo features, while everybody else were relegated to ensemble films. Contrast that to 3 Iron Man films, 3 Captain America films, 4(!) Thor films, and even the Black Widow film that came way too late to the party.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He grew a beard and became gruff Captain. Except instead of being lost in Vietnam he's on the run from sword or shield or whatever.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I think it was romance angle and other things humanised Cap whilst Cyclops was wooden and one dimensional. Cyclops and Jean in the movies didn't really have any passion. Cap and Peggy had genuine feeling behind it:
    >Nick Fury: You gonna be okay?
    >Steve Rogers: Yeah. Yeah, I just... I had a date.
    The X-Men movies failed because outside of Wolverine no one was given a character. While the MCU purposefully set up all the characters.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Cyclops and Jean in the movies didn't really have any passion.
      A lack of giving them scenes will do that. Especially when they want to spend the whole movie with Wolverine pining for someone else's woman.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't necessarily think it was just lack of scenes. It was completely the fact that they did not give characters moments to endear themselves.

        Think about Guardians of the Galaxy, that movie is an ensemble and Peter Quill is clearly the main character but every hero is given a moment where their personality shines through or they have a heroic moment.

        X-Men movie mishandled that like with Storm:

        X-Men did frick all to balance any of the heroes. Think about Storm, fan favourite and fricking goddess. What was her moment in X-Men?
        >Do you know what happens to a toad when it’s struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else.
        This line has been memed to fricking death. Joss Whedon wrote this line to be funny because there was a whole cut character thing where Toad would have been saying "Toad fact..." during battle. But they cut all that and Toad was stoic. And then they used the take where Halle Berry, a subsequent Oscar award winning actress, played the character and the line so completely straight.

        Frick everyone apart from Wolverine was played so fricking straight. The MCU movies border on the "too quippy and funny" a lot recently while X-Men movies avoided a bunch of camp or humour which would have added to it, in my opinion, and improved a bunch of characters.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    X-Men did frick all to balance any of the heroes. Think about Storm, fan favourite and fricking goddess. What was her moment in X-Men?
    >Do you know what happens to a toad when it’s struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else.
    This line has been memed to fricking death. Joss Whedon wrote this line to be funny because there was a whole cut character thing where Toad would have been saying "Toad fact..." during battle. But they cut all that and Toad was stoic. And then they used the take where Halle Berry, a subsequent Oscar award winning actress, played the character and the line so completely straight.

    Frick everyone apart from Wolverine was played so fricking straight. The MCU movies border on the "too quippy and funny" a lot recently while X-Men movies avoided a bunch of camp or humour which would have added to it, in my opinion, and improved a bunch of characters.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Evans is so likeable that even with a dickhead like Whedon who doesn't even like his character writing Cap so incompetently that he struggles in a fight against one mook with a gun audiences still buy him as the team leader.

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