>who cares?
I'm actually intensely interested in how such a big company that has access to so much talent managed to produce something so inexplicably bad.
They are not in the business of making art. They are in the business of making consumable content that should reach as many demographics as possible. They already fricking know they have us just because of the main character and our autistic nostalgia; so they throw in Lil Leia for the women and Darth Sheboon for the blacks. These shows are not made at all with long time fans in mind, they're made to check demographic shilling boxes which ironically leads to no one being happy.
I guarantee there's a 35 year old woman out there who watched Obi Wan and thought to herself "This Lil Leia stuff is so adorable, but I don't like the laser sword fighting or the smelly hobo man".
it's Disney, so we got Hollywood swordfighting and logics
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Lightsaber battles should be about MORE than fighting when major characters are involved
No one thinks this way anymore
This is why Star Wars will continue to fail
AND THEY KEEP DOING IT
(Like Vader can start the fire cubes but then can't put them out to get Obi-Wan, the only Jedi left he cares to find?)
I don't think it's a big deal to say the episode 4 duel sucks because the coreography is bad. It has great buildup, sure, but if the actual fight is bad then that is a mark against it. The return of the jedi fight, revenge of the sith anakin vs obi wan fight, and even the empire fight all found a good balance.
No no no
The problem is that there is no weight to the issues anymore
Star Wars: ANH 1977 has the first duel we see in which Obi-Wan and Vader talk about Luke and the darkside etc.
The fighting duel is ancillary
The duel in ROTJ 1983 is Luke talking to Vader to remind him that there is still good in him whilst being jeered by the Emperor
Luke stops when he sees the "Double-Edged" nature of his hatred and how he could easily be swayed like his father Vader to the darkside
Luke then quits and tosses his lightsaber in an act of defiance >Kill me then
That's all weighty stuff
The last episode of Obi-Wan TV show is blatant SHIT
Just awful!!!
The fight means nothing
Obi-Wan easily escapes
It's like the writers forget that The Force is used across the Galaxy, then it can't be used 5-feet from the characters >Where'd he go? That Obi-Wan
Shit, FFS they had Rey and Chunderfrick boy using the Force to communicate through lightyears of distance
It's all so shit and bears no weight
The writers do it for fan service and damn the consequences
They really think the people that made the mandalorian are geniuses and it's the same team showrunning, directing and writing every star wars show now. Unfortunately the population is retarted and love it. Further proof democracy is a mistake.
Mandalorian was just more key-dangling that baited lots of people. LF got lucky that they get to be relevant and kk basically staying longer. Mando was a lose lose for the fans.
They really think the people that made the mandalorian are geniuses and it's the same team showrunning, directing and writing every star wars show now. Unfortunately the population is retarted and love it. Further proof democracy is a mistake.
Mando is Jon Favreau's baby and calls the shots. The majority of Mando is written by Favreau. Unironically Deborah Chow has directed some Mando episodes but her work on Obi Wan is far inferior. Even Filoni's Mando stuff is pretty good. KK seems to be the variable where things go to shit. Mando is not the greatest thing ever but it's good honest fun and I respect that.
I vaguely recall reading some explanation that Vader's style is just one-handed battering, STR to the max.
I think this was backwritten in to explain why he does it in the originals, but I think that was just because he was easily dominating and outclassing Luke. But in standard 'it happened once so this singular example is how everything to do with that one event / person / race must always be' that's now how he is supposed to most commonly fight.
To be fair they show he winds up a force push with his other.
that anon is pointing out that its stupid and hacky and youre agreeing with him like youre both praising it. youre so clueless and up youre own ass im starting to believe you must be a "writer" on the show or something
>why isn’t he using 2 hands
When has Vader not been a mainly one handed Lightsaber user? He rarely uses both hands when fighting. He doesn't need to, as he has insane physical strength from being a cyborg.
Most of the people on Cinemaphile don't care about Star Wars, know nothing about it, and basically just parrot popular Youtuber opinions on it. And "criticisms" like this and all of the morons whining about "women directing" or something basically prove it.
youre an idiot telling at clouds and your attitude is why star wars is shit and will always be shit for now on. keep blaming white supremacy instead of Black folk and females till the day you die
>youre an idiot telling at clouds and your attitude is why star wars is shit and will always be shit for now on.
Yes, because not being constantly negative about Star Wars and shitting on the good and the bad, because you can't tell the difference, is totally a good thing. None of you homosexuals had a problem with Deborah Chow back when she made a lot of the more based episodes of The Mandalorian, you guys only hate on it now because your Youtube thought masters told you to be joyless contrarians. I bet you watch Star Trek Discovery, too.
Vader basically had to rearrange his skill and tool sets due to the limitations of his cybernetics. One example being Vader disarming and controlling the fight, similar to Dooku in Episode 2.
He also went with a quicker, more brutal fighting style, with lots of ambushes and telekinetic thrown in to overwhelm his opponent.
>which the Kenobi show fails to display.
I disagree. He showed he was smarter in this show. He was being cautious when fighting Obi-Wan, because the last time he fought him, he ended up an asthmatic cripple by being a moron. So, he started out slowly, gauging his oppenent to see if he had gotten stronger or weaker, and then went on the attack. It was on par with OT Lightsaber fights, in terms of pacing.
i havent seen a single nu-wars related piece of media and have no fricking idea who ching chow is. you just sound like a ranting hysterical women who read a wiki page on vader and larp as a lore master. vader is a dumb non-consistent character and so is everything starwars related now. him using one hand was fine in the ot because he was gimped and a rageaholic and strong and just hammered shit and they hadnt thought up all these moronic space kungfu lightsaber forms of combat yet
vader using one hand after all the moronic seizure inducing fights in the prequels and cartoons and shit looks silly though to zoomies. especially after the yoda and shmee flipping and whatnot. it obviously begs the question. why can a ten armed 99% robot like grievous flip around and fight like a spastic monkey but vader cant?
anyway, its a dumb thing to nitpit about when literally everything is floating in an ocean of piss already
>"Stop liking what I don't like!"
So, in other words, you are not, and never have been, an actual fan of Star Wars. Okay, that's good to know that I don't need to waste my time with an illiterate contrarian cuck. >vader using one hand after all the moronic seizure inducing fights in the prequels and cartoons and shit looks silly though to zoomies.
If you think it's moronic, why are you b***hing about it? Zoomies are morons who can't grasp the reasons for differences between the original and prequel trilogies, such as simple technological and funding differences. >especially after the yoda and shmee flipping and whatnot.
You just gave me the mental image of Anakin's mom doing Jedi backflips at strip club!
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im 35 years old and grew up with star wars. its shit and im not going to pretend its not. it became a laughing stock once lucas did his ridiculous edits like the fricking jaba singer. for most of my childhood star wars and lucas arts was just known for making good video gamest and its only gotten worse with time.
each time you think star wars was popular because it was getting a lot of attention, it was because everyone was hoping this Next ThingTM would finally not suck and we could get something cool that was star wars related again. its been a let down each and every time
i havent seen a single nu-wars related piece of media and have no fricking idea who ching chow is. you just sound like a ranting hysterical women who read a wiki page on vader and larp as a lore master. vader is a dumb non-consistent character and so is everything starwars related now. him using one hand was fine in the ot because he was gimped and a rageaholic and strong and just hammered shit and they hadnt thought up all these moronic space kungfu lightsaber forms of combat yet
vader using one hand after all the moronic seizure inducing fights in the prequels and cartoons and shit looks silly though to zoomies. especially after the yoda and shmee flipping and whatnot. it obviously begs the question. why can a ten armed 99% robot like grievous flip around and fight like a spastic monkey but vader cant?
anyway, its a dumb thing to nitpit about when literally everything is floating in an ocean of piss already
Vader basically had to rearrange his skill and tool sets due to the limitations of his cybernetics. One example being Vader disarming and controlling the fight, similar to Dooku in Episode 2.
ive never watching anything nu-wars related but did they ever actually give a reason in anything star wars related at all for why vader is so tall? hayden isnt a big guy
Anakin got changed into a stump by Ben Kenobi. He basically has to ride around in the top bit like its a Mecha.
Would have been better if it was like Krang tbqhfam
Just saw it. It’s like this shitty angle far away shot and they just vaguely hammer eachother with no technique at all. Are they even trying anymore? lmao
Zero budget
Incompetent female writers and director
Kathleen Kennedy
israeli subversion
Nobody at Lucasfilm even likes Star Wars, let alone watched or understood any of Lucas' films
It was a moronic idea from the get go. The show should have been about Obi Wan surviving on tattooine and protecting the Lars family from some small time thread like a single inquisitor or a bounty hunter snooping around.
What annoys me the most is that this shit has the exact same feeling of The Witcher show, where the creators obviously had no desire to make an Obi Wan show, so they just forced all the gay shit they wanted in it while shoving the character people actually care about to the side.
>It was a moronic idea from the get go. The show should have been about Obi Wan surviving on tattooine and protecting the Lars family from some small time thread like a single inquisitor or a bounty hunter snooping around.
I would've respected Disney (by a little) if they just plagiarized the Kenobi novel for the plot.
They had Hayden back and could just do flashback episodes of them sitting and talking fireside at night while on Clone Wars missions for 1000x more kino that doesn't hurt lore.
this 1000%. obiwan should be laying low, not drawing attention to fricking tatooine and especially not the lars homestead, just keeping an eye on things etc. in reality it would be the most boring movie or series ever made. disneywars is so fricking terrible
>no show of Obi-wan wandering the wastes of Tatooine tripping balls, learning the mysteries of the force from Qui-gon's ghost and scaring the shit out of Tusken Raiders for fun
I hate Disney, they go out of their way to make bad shows
wait, wasn’t the whole point of Vader’s dialogue in ANH that he hadn’t seen Obi-Wan since he was the learner, I.E since Mustafar? So they HAVE met again in between? How do they explain that?
It's been discussed before, but I'll remind you:
They don't care about canon. They've admitted this in the past. They're run by lazy fricks who couldn't care less.
>They don't care about canon. They've admitted this in the past. They're run by lazy fricks who couldn't care less.
Does that mean the Grand Inquisitor is actually dead? Are they actually that lazy?
I used to think that the Grand Inquisitor was a giga jobber and didn't really care about him getting offed this way, but after rewatching his fight in Rebels and realizing he only really lost to Kanan (one of the only good characters in that show) my opinion of him raised a bit.
Hopefully we can see him actually do something in this show.
>It's all fake anyway
top kek
A multibillion dollar company with access to thousands of resources, and yet, their effort amounts to a grating "meh" at best. Amazing. Fricking amazing.
Its almost impressive how little of a shit they give now. It was understandable when their stance was that they wanted to respect canon but if what they wanted to do in a movie clashed with a cartoon/video game/book, the movie is going to get priority. Now they don't even care about fricking with the movie canon.
>It's all fake anyway
top kek
A multibillion dollar company with access to thousands of resources, and yet, their effort amounts to a grating "meh" at best. Amazing. Fricking amazing.
This is why Japanese creators, with all their obsessive-compulsive autism, are far more dedicated to their craft than Americans. California is a fricking cesspit that breeds shiteating betas, like this gay. who continue to be a blight on actual creativity as a whole. It's no wonder stuff like manga and anime are enormously outselling American IPs these days, more than ever.
It's true that it's all fake, but so is all fiction.
But with this line of thinking you get moronic shit like hyperspace ramming and Luke being a bitter butthole, because "who cares lmao it's just fantasy lmao just don't think about it"
Chow is a Filioni Simp, so she's importing all his shitty writing into the show. Ironically, she'll get the backlash and hate, while he gets the love from Not Tales of the Jedi and the Stoy Batch season 2.
You're right but its sort of cool seeing a version of Vader that is absolutely seething with rage over Kenobi. Their interaction in A New Hope is a bit tame after you've watched all of the prequels.
>wait, wasn’t the whole point of Vader’s dialogue in ANH that he hadn’t seen Obi-Wan since he was the learner
Obi-Wan also didn't know that Anakin was alive after he chopped off his remaining organic limbs and he apparently burned to death on a lava bank. There's nothing in Star Wars that says that Obi-Wan knew Vader survived that fight. So, no, it doesn't "break canon" at all.
>Obi-Wan also didn't know that Anakin was alive after he chopped off his remaining organic limbs and he apparently burned to death on a lava bank
He literally saw him be named Darth Vader. Literally saw the exact moment Sideous said "I shall call you Darth... Vader." And Darth Vader is well known and has been a terror for decades, of course Obi-Wan knew who he was.
>wait, wasn’t the whole point of Vader’s dialogue in ANH that he hadn’t seen Obi-Wan since he was the learner
Obi-Wan also didn't know that Anakin was alive after he chopped off his remaining organic limbs and he apparently burned to death on a lava bank. There's nothing in Star Wars that says that Obi-Wan knew Vader survived that fight. So, no, it doesn't "break canon" at all.
Yes, "from a certain point of view" SW already was retconing shit on the original trilogy.
>When I left you (and the Jedi Order), I was but the learner (of the dark side of the force). Now I am the master.
They fricked up. It's a funny train wreck to watch though.
>when obi first sees him and has a face to face he then runs away to the side like a joke comedy sketch
They were trying to copy the horror aspect of Vader's appearance at the end of Rogue One. The running away, use of the camera, lightsaber-based lighting, darkness, Vader's ambush, etc. is all reminiscent of slasher films.
Its crazy how hard Vader has power creeped since Disney has taken over. They love to portray him as an unstoppable rage filled terminator when I just never viewed his power level as being that high in the prequels or OT.
He's pretty fricking intimidating in Empire. Sure, Luke is basically untrained, but Vader manhandles the frick out of him with one hand and is toying with him the entire time. Then at the end when he gets serious he brutally disarms like within a couple of seconds.
The only good thing Disney has done since they took over. Always hated how in nearly half the stories he appeared in in the EU, Vader would get a limb or two chopped off. Even the jobber Maul was fricking him up.
It's really shit. A probe sees Obi Wan, then Vader goes down and investigates. They kind of run into each other out of nowhere and Kenobi runs away really quick (I literally thought this was a vision or something because of how bad it is). They fight briefly and Vader is the obvious victor. The fight is barely choreographed at all, it was really bad. Vader burns Obi Wan over some fiery coals for a bit until a brand new never heard of woman character shoots some explosive tank and she uses a droid to get Obi Wan away from Vader. This is the second time this episode that Obi Wan was a dead man if it weren't for Lucius Varenus's wife saving him
>A probe sees Obi Wan
I hate this shit. Probe droids are long range reconnaissance assets for the military. Hunting Jedi would be a job for spies and agents on the ground. Throwing in a probe droid because there was one in Empire Strikes Back is a cheap attempt at 'membering.
>Vader breaks a kid's neck >Leia continues to be annoying >Reva's """acting""" continues to be horrendous >costumes + set continue to look cheap as shit >stormtrooper gets cut in half with terrible CGI >Obi-Wan encounters Vader, and they duel for the first time since Mustafar >Vader sets Obi-Wan on fire, and yet somehow, the latter has no burns >Vader suddenly has PTSD when seeing the fire and lets Obi-Wan escape, subsequently mimicking Dr. Claw ("I'll get you next time, Kenobi!") >shitty dialogue to an almost comical degree >crap fight choreography + poor lighting in scenes
suddenly has PTSD when seeing the fire and lets Obi-Wan escape, subsequently mimicking Dr. Claw ("I'll get you next time, Kenobi!")
PTSD due to fire
I didn't read it that way
Also, unrelatedly, Vader lives on a FIRE planet with LIQUID MAGMA all the time
Only place worse is Phoenix, AZ
It's bad, entire episodes are contrived to get to their endings with strange characters and plots including this one to get to them to meet where they only clash blades for 15 seconds with obi wan running away the rest of the time. Not sith are hunting jedi and kenobi instead of vader because they writer's probably think too much vader is bad and he's like jaws or something. Their costumes also look ridiculous because they copied them from a cartoon.
OPS image alone shows how shit the show is. Look at their back drop. Its a fricking mound of dirt. Not a crazy city.. Not a lava planet. Not even a corridor on the death star. A mound of dirt. Everything wrong with this show right there.
There is nothing about the events of Kenobi so far that break the dialogue with Vader and Leia.
When Leia sends the message to Obi Wan in new hope, she is saying that she needs him to once again be a soldier as he was in the clone wars. She is guilt tripping him to action for the rebellion -- not only for Leia.
I agree that if ANH was made now, she'd prob say something about her rescue, but I don't think it's necessary for her to mention it.
Also, she might not even know her current rescuer is Obi Wan, she only knows him as Ben -- she might not realize that connection. Obi and Leia also never meet in ANH, so there's no direct way to tell if they've met before.
As for Vader, in ANH he says it's a feeling he's "not felt since...", That only means since last they met which could be any time.
Then later he says "when I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master" -- again, he doesn't say since we last met, he says since I left you, which is when he became Vader in the first place and says nothing on if they met in-between. It implies the relative growth over Obi Wan that he has achieved
I'm sure this isn't exactly what the writers originally intended, but the Kenobi series just changes how those lines hit. It does not make them inconsistent, in fact I think it deepens them perhaps
>Then later he says "when I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master" -- again, he doesn't say since we last met, he says since I left you, which is when he became Vader in the first place and says nothing on if they met in-between. It implies the relative growth over Obi Wan that he has achieved
Bro no
Because you're a moron and conveniently forgot the first half of the quote. >I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete.
"When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master." If he's meeting Obi wan for the first time since Mustafar it makes sense, he's pointing out to Obi wan the new dichotomy. If he's met him before (10 years after he became Vader) then the new dichotomy is already established and the line is redundant and weird when he sees him in episode 4.
>she might not even know her current rescuer is Obi Wan, she only knows him as Ben
she knows he's a wanted man, and a jedi, and multiple people chasing him and her together call him obi wan
>"Apart from the money, I regret having embarked on the film. I like them well enough, but it's not an acting job, the dialogue - which is lamentable - keeps being changed and only slightly improved, and I find myself old and out of touch with the young" - during filming of Star Wars"
>"I shrivel up every time someone mentions Star Wars to me."
frick you guys this show is amazing. i dont know how they did that with james earl joness voice but it sounds amazing. "i am what you MADE me". "you should of KILLED ME when you had the chance!" and "now you... will SUFFER, OBI WAN!!!!" like this was the most epic duel since the mustafar one i screamed when vader set kenobi on fire. also the show is just really good ewan mcgregor is hot as always and baby leia is just the best thing ever. anyone who hates this show isnt a real star wars fan from my point of view.
>i dont know how they did that with james earl joness voice
he sounded like shit in rogue one, i wonder if he even recorded much dialogue or did they do the deep fake luke shit from bobalorian
i heard some people say it was really hayden and they just edited it with the respeecher thing to sound like james earl jones. i did think earl jones was very good in rebels
They can't get lightsaber fights right since the Clone Wars and Rebels, the animated ones blew anything lkve action related so they don't even try anymore
"Well he never SAID the last time they fought was in Revenge of the Sith, it could have been any time :^)" is peak Stockholm Syndrome and Disney cuckoldry. You know that, right?
Obi Wan is a jedi, so there is no way he would not use The Force for a decade and there is no way that he would be psychologically lost. He is not normal man. He is a warrior sage and a master of a philosophy of inner peace. He was one of the greatest among an entire order of gifted warrior sages and a true hero. You don't understand what a hero is.
>You don't understand what a hero is
and neither do the creatively bankrupt hacks who made this shit. obi-wan would have been communing with qui-gon and yoda thru the force, daily meditating, preparing for the day when the time to train Luke and fight the Empire finally comes. obi-wan would have found resolve through his intense introspective nature and his search for inner peace. this whole israelite notion that failure just utterly destroys people and leaves them waiting to die is absolute nonsense.
>You don't understand what a hero is
and neither do the creatively bankrupt hacks who made this shit. obi-wan would have been communing with qui-gon and yoda thru the force, daily meditating, preparing for the day when the time to train Luke and fight the Empire finally comes. obi-wan would have found resolve through his intense introspective nature and his search for inner peace. this whole israelite notion that failure just utterly destroys people and leaves them waiting to die is absolute nonsense.
Fricking pathetic arguing over a gay overplayed series.
>he posted in a thread about a gay overplayed series
i cant decide whats more pathetic. people who still think star wars is good, or people who shitpost in star wars threads like that makes them any better. if you didnt care you wouldnt be here simple as.
This entire series is fricking up lore, consistency, and basic storytelling just so the horrible writers at Disney can go: "Look it's Vader! Remember him? He's so cool!"
The writers at Disney are failing to see why the Mandalorian was succesful.
It took concepts fans wanted to see and expanded upon them, Obi Wan does nothing like that because we know how it's going to end and it takes place on a setting we already know too well.
it was refreshing watching some literal who going on basic adventures in the Star Wars universe. Shame they fricked it up by making him become best frens with a bunch of cartoon characters that only Sperg-Wars autists care about.
Not to mention >let's bring back Luke. Turns out fans like him
Surprised he didnt end up with R2 and Threepio Cruising about in the Millennium Falcon by the end of it.
who cares?
>who cares?
I'm actually intensely interested in how such a big company that has access to so much talent managed to produce something so inexplicably bad.
They are not in the business of making art. They are in the business of making consumable content that should reach as many demographics as possible. They already fricking know they have us just because of the main character and our autistic nostalgia; so they throw in Lil Leia for the women and Darth Sheboon for the blacks. These shows are not made at all with long time fans in mind, they're made to check demographic shilling boxes which ironically leads to no one being happy.
I guarantee there's a 35 year old woman out there who watched Obi Wan and thought to herself "This Lil Leia stuff is so adorable, but I don't like the laser sword fighting or the smelly hobo man".
tranette no passto
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Lightsaber battles should be about MORE than fighting when major characters are involved
No one thinks this way anymore
This is why Star Wars will continue to fail
AND THEY KEEP DOING IT
(Like Vader can start the fire cubes but then can't put them out to get Obi-Wan, the only Jedi left he cares to find?)
I don't think it's a big deal to say the episode 4 duel sucks because the coreography is bad. It has great buildup, sure, but if the actual fight is bad then that is a mark against it. The return of the jedi fight, revenge of the sith anakin vs obi wan fight, and even the empire fight all found a good balance.
No no no
The problem is that there is no weight to the issues anymore
Star Wars: ANH 1977 has the first duel we see in which Obi-Wan and Vader talk about Luke and the darkside etc.
The fighting duel is ancillary
The duel in ROTJ 1983 is Luke talking to Vader to remind him that there is still good in him whilst being jeered by the Emperor
Luke stops when he sees the "Double-Edged" nature of his hatred and how he could easily be swayed like his father Vader to the darkside
Luke then quits and tosses his lightsaber in an act of defiance
>Kill me then
That's all weighty stuff
The last episode of Obi-Wan TV show is blatant SHIT
Just awful!!!
The fight means nothing
Obi-Wan easily escapes
It's like the writers forget that The Force is used across the Galaxy, then it can't be used 5-feet from the characters
>Where'd he go? That Obi-Wan
Shit, FFS they had Rey and Chunderfrick boy using the Force to communicate through lightyears of distance
It's all so shit and bears no weight
The writers do it for fan service and damn the consequences
it's Disney, so we got Hollywood swordfighting and logics
Have you seen the pr*quels?
there’s like one good live action lightsaber duel and it’s from a little movie called “The Empire Strikes Back”
ESB's is equal to RotJ and TPM's to me. RotS is a different kind of fight so can't be fairly compared.
>RotJ is bad
jejune
It's not fair bros, why can't we have competent directing
They really think the people that made the mandalorian are geniuses and it's the same team showrunning, directing and writing every star wars show now. Unfortunately the population is retarted and love it. Further proof democracy is a mistake.
Mandalorian was just more key-dangling that baited lots of people. LF got lucky that they get to be relevant and kk basically staying longer. Mando was a lose lose for the fans.
Mando is Jon Favreau's baby and calls the shots. The majority of Mando is written by Favreau. Unironically Deborah Chow has directed some Mando episodes but her work on Obi Wan is far inferior. Even Filoni's Mando stuff is pretty good. KK seems to be the variable where things go to shit. Mando is not the greatest thing ever but it's good honest fun and I respect that.
>Unfortunately the population is retarted and love it.
Everyone I talked to about it thinks it's shit, anon.
why isn’t he using 2 hands
I vaguely recall reading some explanation that Vader's style is just one-handed battering, STR to the max.
I think this was backwritten in to explain why he does it in the originals, but I think that was just because he was easily dominating and outclassing Luke. But in standard 'it happened once so this singular example is how everything to do with that one event / person / race must always be' that's now how he is supposed to most commonly fight.
To be fair they show he winds up a force push with his other.
Correct. Basically because he lost his limbs he lost alot of his agility so he had to adapt into a front-focused barrage of hacks and chops.
that anon is pointing out that its stupid and hacky and youre agreeing with him like youre both praising it. youre so clueless and up youre own ass im starting to believe you must be a "writer" on the show or something
Makes no sense at all. In the ot he was agile and had lots of finesse at times. Also, he would get the agility from the force
>why isn’t he using 2 hands
he has powerful robot arms and he likes to emote his force-attacks using hand gesture(choke, push, etc)
>why isn’t he using 2 hands
When has Vader not been a mainly one handed Lightsaber user? He rarely uses both hands when fighting. He doesn't need to, as he has insane physical strength from being a cyborg.
Most of the people on Cinemaphile don't care about Star Wars, know nothing about it, and basically just parrot popular Youtuber opinions on it. And "criticisms" like this and all of the morons whining about "women directing" or something basically prove it.
youre an idiot telling at clouds and your attitude is why star wars is shit and will always be shit for now on. keep blaming white supremacy instead of Black folk and females till the day you die
>youre an idiot telling at clouds and your attitude is why star wars is shit and will always be shit for now on.
Yes, because not being constantly negative about Star Wars and shitting on the good and the bad, because you can't tell the difference, is totally a good thing. None of you homosexuals had a problem with Deborah Chow back when she made a lot of the more based episodes of The Mandalorian, you guys only hate on it now because your Youtube thought masters told you to be joyless contrarians. I bet you watch Star Trek Discovery, too.
He also went with a quicker, more brutal fighting style, with lots of ambushes and telekinetic thrown in to overwhelm his opponent.
Vader definitely learnt from his mistakes as Anakin, making him into a much more dangerous opponent, which the Kenobi show fails to display.
>which the Kenobi show fails to display.
I disagree. He showed he was smarter in this show. He was being cautious when fighting Obi-Wan, because the last time he fought him, he ended up an asthmatic cripple by being a moron. So, he started out slowly, gauging his oppenent to see if he had gotten stronger or weaker, and then went on the attack. It was on par with OT Lightsaber fights, in terms of pacing.
>"Stop liking what I don't like!"
So, in other words, you are not, and never have been, an actual fan of Star Wars. Okay, that's good to know that I don't need to waste my time with an illiterate contrarian cuck.
>vader using one hand after all the moronic seizure inducing fights in the prequels and cartoons and shit looks silly though to zoomies.
If you think it's moronic, why are you b***hing about it? Zoomies are morons who can't grasp the reasons for differences between the original and prequel trilogies, such as simple technological and funding differences.
>especially after the yoda and shmee flipping and whatnot.
You just gave me the mental image of Anakin's mom doing Jedi backflips at strip club!
im 35 years old and grew up with star wars. its shit and im not going to pretend its not. it became a laughing stock once lucas did his ridiculous edits like the fricking jaba singer. for most of my childhood star wars and lucas arts was just known for making good video gamest and its only gotten worse with time.
each time you think star wars was popular because it was getting a lot of attention, it was because everyone was hoping this Next ThingTM would finally not suck and we could get something cool that was star wars related again. its been a let down each and every time
i havent seen a single nu-wars related piece of media and have no fricking idea who ching chow is. you just sound like a ranting hysterical women who read a wiki page on vader and larp as a lore master. vader is a dumb non-consistent character and so is everything starwars related now. him using one hand was fine in the ot because he was gimped and a rageaholic and strong and just hammered shit and they hadnt thought up all these moronic space kungfu lightsaber forms of combat yet
vader using one hand after all the moronic seizure inducing fights in the prequels and cartoons and shit looks silly though to zoomies. especially after the yoda and shmee flipping and whatnot. it obviously begs the question. why can a ten armed 99% robot like grievous flip around and fight like a spastic monkey but vader cant?
anyway, its a dumb thing to nitpit about when literally everything is floating in an ocean of piss already
Vader basically had to rearrange his skill and tool sets due to the limitations of his cybernetics. One example being Vader disarming and controlling the fight, similar to Dooku in Episode 2.
He uses 1 hand when he's toying with someone and 2 when he's serious.
So do most people on this website.
True, like in this clip.
imagine being a Star Wars fan in current year
not even feeling sorry for them at this point, peak cuckery
I didn't pay for it, and I thought they'd at least put effort into something like this.
This. I don't have Disney+ yet somehow I have watched Mando and Boba free...
>expecting disney to put effort into anything when they have an army of morons that will watch literally anything they'll put out
>peak cuckery
True.
ive never watching anything nu-wars related but did they ever actually give a reason in anything star wars related at all for why vader is so tall? hayden isnt a big guy
>hayden isnt a big guy
>hayden in this thread trying to artificially make his posts taller too
>watching his prey, waiting for the right moment
he has mechanical legs they’re probably just longer than his old legs
doesnt work. vader is a unit. they have like a 6'6" play him for these full body scenes right?
Anakin got changed into a stump by Ben Kenobi. He basically has to ride around in the top bit like its a Mecha.
Would have been better if it was like Krang tbqhfam
For you.
>two months ago webm-related leaked
>reaction was *yawn* "more Star Wars+ content"
>finished product is released
>reaction was "lol cucks pay for this"
Just saw it. It’s like this shitty angle far away shot and they just vaguely hammer eachother with no technique at all. Are they even trying anymore? lmao
They hire people who have little experience and narrow the pool further by only hiring women/non-whites.
Obi wan got a combo of the two
Zero budget
Incompetent female writers and director
Kathleen Kennedy
israeli subversion
Nobody at Lucasfilm even likes Star Wars, let alone watched or understood any of Lucas' films
It was a moronic idea from the get go. The show should have been about Obi Wan surviving on tattooine and protecting the Lars family from some small time thread like a single inquisitor or a bounty hunter snooping around.
What annoys me the most is that this shit has the exact same feeling of The Witcher show, where the creators obviously had no desire to make an Obi Wan show, so they just forced all the gay shit they wanted in it while shoving the character people actually care about to the side.
>It was a moronic idea from the get go. The show should have been about Obi Wan surviving on tattooine and protecting the Lars family from some small time thread like a single inquisitor or a bounty hunter snooping around.
I would've respected Disney (by a little) if they just plagiarized the Kenobi novel for the plot.
They had Hayden back and could just do flashback episodes of them sitting and talking fireside at night while on Clone Wars missions for 1000x more kino that doesn't hurt lore.
this 1000%. obiwan should be laying low, not drawing attention to fricking tatooine and especially not the lars homestead, just keeping an eye on things etc. in reality it would be the most boring movie or series ever made. disneywars is so fricking terrible
Yeah, inserting Leia into it fricked everything up (not to mention canon) and now has completely has guided the entire plot.
>no show of Obi-wan wandering the wastes of Tatooine tripping balls, learning the mysteries of the force from Qui-gon's ghost and scaring the shit out of Tusken Raiders for fun
I hate Disney, they go out of their way to make bad shows
women directors were a mistake
bryce dallas howard is the exception
this b***h ruins the fricking show. i cannot believe she is in every episode.
'ID RATHER BE DIGESTED BY A JACOBIN'
>BDH
Eh, I didn't care much for the shrimp farmer episode on Mando. I really liked her work on the katee sackhoff episode on the ocean planet.
wait, wasn’t the whole point of Vader’s dialogue in ANH that he hadn’t seen Obi-Wan since he was the learner, I.E since Mustafar? So they HAVE met again in between? How do they explain that?
>he thinks they care
Just lmao.
believe women
have sex
the force is female
>the force is female
kek i forgot about that
You forgot "touch grass." Get with the times, grandpa.
This is what happens when TCW set the example by having rematches or encounters that the movies do not imply, directly and indirectly.
It's been discussed before, but I'll remind you:
They don't care about canon. They've admitted this in the past. They're run by lazy fricks who couldn't care less.
>They don't care about canon. They've admitted this in the past. They're run by lazy fricks who couldn't care less.
Does that mean the Grand Inquisitor is actually dead? Are they actually that lazy?
I used to think that the Grand Inquisitor was a giga jobber and didn't really care about him getting offed this way, but after rewatching his fight in Rebels and realizing he only really lost to Kanan (one of the only good characters in that show) my opinion of him raised a bit.
Hopefully we can see him actually do something in this show.
>It's all fake anyway
top kek
A multibillion dollar company with access to thousands of resources, and yet, their effort amounts to a grating "meh" at best. Amazing. Fricking amazing.
Its almost impressive how little of a shit they give now. It was understandable when their stance was that they wanted to respect canon but if what they wanted to do in a movie clashed with a cartoon/video game/book, the movie is going to get priority. Now they don't even care about fricking with the movie canon.
This is why Japanese creators, with all their obsessive-compulsive autism, are far more dedicated to their craft than Americans. California is a fricking cesspit that breeds shiteating betas, like this gay. who continue to be a blight on actual creativity as a whole. It's no wonder stuff like manga and anime are enormously outselling American IPs these days, more than ever.
He's right though. Where did he say anything incorrect?
It's true that it's all fake, but so is all fiction.
But with this line of thinking you get moronic shit like hyperspace ramming and Luke being a bitter butthole, because "who cares lmao it's just fantasy lmao just don't think about it"
The female writers kinda forgot to watch the movies.
>wahhhh it's TCW fault!
Cry harder EUhomosexual. Nobody cares.
Chow is a Filioni Simp, so she's importing all his shitty writing into the show. Ironically, she'll get the backlash and hate, while he gets the love from Not Tales of the Jedi and the Stoy Batch season 2.
To be fair, Filoni wouldn't have directed a lightsaber fight that poorly.
True, he still doesn't understand how strong force users are, thus, fights are dumbed down and the Force users nerfed.
Imbecile
You're right but its sort of cool seeing a version of Vader that is absolutely seething with rage over Kenobi. Their interaction in A New Hope is a bit tame after you've watched all of the prequels.
uuuuuuuh...did we mention that youre a racist sexist yet?
>wait, wasn’t the whole point of Vader’s dialogue in ANH that he hadn’t seen Obi-Wan since he was the learner
Obi-Wan also didn't know that Anakin was alive after he chopped off his remaining organic limbs and he apparently burned to death on a lava bank. There's nothing in Star Wars that says that Obi-Wan knew Vader survived that fight. So, no, it doesn't "break canon" at all.
>Obi-Wan also didn't know that Anakin was alive after he chopped off his remaining organic limbs and he apparently burned to death on a lava bank
He literally saw him be named Darth Vader. Literally saw the exact moment Sideous said "I shall call you Darth... Vader." And Darth Vader is well known and has been a terror for decades, of course Obi-Wan knew who he was.
It super fricking breaks canon.
Yes, "from a certain point of view" SW already was retconing shit on the original trilogy.
They could've had it still apply if Vader fought Kenobi a year or 2 after getting the suit.
I haven't watched the show how long after mustafar is it set?
>When I left you (and the Jedi Order), I was but the learner (of the dark side of the force). Now I am the master.
They fricked up. It's a funny train wreck to watch though.
he clearly means learner of the force in general (specifically his skills vs Mr Wans) you dumb autismo. it doesnt change youre point though
Reminder that pic related is making all these Obi Wan hate threads
Who?
Qrd? I haven't seen it and I'm angry they've retconned their last meeting
they fight in a garbage dump behind a highway Applebee's in Nevada
when obi first sees him and has a face to face he then runs away to the side like a joke comedy sketch
obi-wan lays on top of fire for 20 seconds and doesn't burn to death before vader lets him go for some reason
>when obi first sees him and has a face to face he then runs away to the side like a joke comedy sketch
They were trying to copy the horror aspect of Vader's appearance at the end of Rogue One. The running away, use of the camera, lightsaber-based lighting, darkness, Vader's ambush, etc. is all reminiscent of slasher films.
Its crazy how hard Vader has power creeped since Disney has taken over. They love to portray him as an unstoppable rage filled terminator when I just never viewed his power level as being that high in the prequels or OT.
He's a beaten down old man by the OT. Only a villain in ANH and 100% on Luke's side in ESB.
Exactly, he got btfo by a lesbian in the Vader comics that people seem to praise about.
He's pretty fricking intimidating in Empire. Sure, Luke is basically untrained, but Vader manhandles the frick out of him with one hand and is toying with him the entire time. Then at the end when he gets serious he brutally disarms like within a couple of seconds.
The only good thing Disney has done since they took over. Always hated how in nearly half the stories he appeared in in the EU, Vader would get a limb or two chopped off. Even the jobber Maul was fricking him up.
It's really shit. A probe sees Obi Wan, then Vader goes down and investigates. They kind of run into each other out of nowhere and Kenobi runs away really quick (I literally thought this was a vision or something because of how bad it is). They fight briefly and Vader is the obvious victor. The fight is barely choreographed at all, it was really bad. Vader burns Obi Wan over some fiery coals for a bit until a brand new never heard of woman character shoots some explosive tank and she uses a droid to get Obi Wan away from Vader. This is the second time this episode that Obi Wan was a dead man if it weren't for Lucius Varenus's wife saving him
>A probe sees Obi Wan
I hate this shit. Probe droids are long range reconnaissance assets for the military. Hunting Jedi would be a job for spies and agents on the ground. Throwing in a probe droid because there was one in Empire Strikes Back is a cheap attempt at 'membering.
>Qrd?
>Vader breaks a kid's neck
>Leia continues to be annoying
>Reva's """acting""" continues to be horrendous
>costumes + set continue to look cheap as shit
>stormtrooper gets cut in half with terrible CGI
>Obi-Wan encounters Vader, and they duel for the first time since Mustafar
>Vader sets Obi-Wan on fire, and yet somehow, the latter has no burns
>Vader suddenly has PTSD when seeing the fire and lets Obi-Wan escape, subsequently mimicking Dr. Claw ("I'll get you next time, Kenobi!")
>shitty dialogue to an almost comical degree
>crap fight choreography + poor lighting in scenes
> >Leia continues to be annoying
I hate that little shit so much
suddenly has PTSD when seeing the fire and lets Obi-Wan escape, subsequently mimicking Dr. Claw ("I'll get you next time, Kenobi!")
PTSD due to fire
I didn't read it that way
Also, unrelatedly, Vader lives on a FIRE planet with LIQUID MAGMA all the time
Only place worse is Phoenix, AZ
It's bad, entire episodes are contrived to get to their endings with strange characters and plots including this one to get to them to meet where they only clash blades for 15 seconds with obi wan running away the rest of the time. Not sith are hunting jedi and kenobi instead of vader because they writer's probably think too much vader is bad and he's like jaws or something. Their costumes also look ridiculous because they copied them from a cartoon.
they had a woman direct a fight scene.
OPS image alone shows how shit the show is. Look at their back drop. Its a fricking mound of dirt. Not a crazy city.. Not a lava planet. Not even a corridor on the death star. A mound of dirt. Everything wrong with this show right there.
How do you manage to still post this shit going on a week later?
I just watched it and I was surprised at how bad it was.
mandatory
what is this awful shit, did he at least yell zoinks
There is nothing about the events of Kenobi so far that break the dialogue with Vader and Leia.
When Leia sends the message to Obi Wan in new hope, she is saying that she needs him to once again be a soldier as he was in the clone wars. She is guilt tripping him to action for the rebellion -- not only for Leia.
I agree that if ANH was made now, she'd prob say something about her rescue, but I don't think it's necessary for her to mention it.
Also, she might not even know her current rescuer is Obi Wan, she only knows him as Ben -- she might not realize that connection. Obi and Leia also never meet in ANH, so there's no direct way to tell if they've met before.
As for Vader, in ANH he says it's a feeling he's "not felt since...", That only means since last they met which could be any time.
Then later he says "when I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master" -- again, he doesn't say since we last met, he says since I left you, which is when he became Vader in the first place and says nothing on if they met in-between. It implies the relative growth over Obi Wan that he has achieved
I'm sure this isn't exactly what the writers originally intended, but the Kenobi series just changes how those lines hit. It does not make them inconsistent, in fact I think it deepens them perhaps
>Then later he says "when I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master" -- again, he doesn't say since we last met, he says since I left you, which is when he became Vader in the first place and says nothing on if they met in-between. It implies the relative growth over Obi Wan that he has achieved
Bro no
nice refutation
Because you're a moron and conveniently forgot the first half of the quote.
>I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete.
"When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master." If he's meeting Obi wan for the first time since Mustafar it makes sense, he's pointing out to Obi wan the new dichotomy. If he's met him before (10 years after he became Vader) then the new dichotomy is already established and the line is redundant and weird when he sees him in episode 4.
>she might not even know her current rescuer is Obi Wan, she only knows him as Ben
she knows he's a wanted man, and a jedi, and multiple people chasing him and her together call him obi wan
How does the mouse wiener on your mouth taste like?
Is that straw you're grasping?
Based irrefutable reasoningposter blowing autists the frick out left and right
>"Apart from the money, I regret having embarked on the film. I like them well enough, but it's not an acting job, the dialogue - which is lamentable - keeps being changed and only slightly improved, and I find myself old and out of touch with the young" - during filming of Star Wars"
>"I shrivel up every time someone mentions Star Wars to me."
-Alec Guinness
He didnt seem to mind it at the time. Pretty sure he got sick of the non stop Sperge-Wars fanboy attention
Yeah, the fans are ridiculous and honestly are what's the movies.
*what's ruining the movies.
Reading that shit makes me want to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/vw2yr
watch?v=NdXLDvx_tHQ
Literally everyone working on this show should be fired, if it weren't for hollywood being a jobs program for friends and family.
frick you guys this show is amazing. i dont know how they did that with james earl joness voice but it sounds amazing. "i am what you MADE me". "you should of KILLED ME when you had the chance!" and "now you... will SUFFER, OBI WAN!!!!" like this was the most epic duel since the mustafar one i screamed when vader set kenobi on fire. also the show is just really good ewan mcgregor is hot as always and baby leia is just the best thing ever. anyone who hates this show isnt a real star wars fan from my point of view.
You're not fooling anyone Eric
im not a boy and i dont even know who that is
THIS IS THE END FOR YOU MY MASTER
You:
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>anyone who hates this show isnt a real star wars fan from my point of view.
Well then you are lost.
>i dont know how they did that with james earl joness voice
he sounded like shit in rogue one, i wonder if he even recorded much dialogue or did they do the deep fake luke shit from bobalorian
i heard some people say it was really hayden and they just edited it with the respeecher thing to sound like james earl jones. i did think earl jones was very good in rebels
This but unironically.
like who cares star wars is for kids lmao
They can't get lightsaber fights right since the Clone Wars and Rebels, the animated ones blew anything lkve action related so they don't even try anymore
"Well he never SAID the last time they fought was in Revenge of the Sith, it could have been any time :^)" is peak Stockholm Syndrome and Disney cuckoldry. You know that, right?
Obi Wan is a jedi, so there is no way he would not use The Force for a decade and there is no way that he would be psychologically lost. He is not normal man. He is a warrior sage and a master of a philosophy of inner peace. He was one of the greatest among an entire order of gifted warrior sages and a true hero. You don't understand what a hero is.
>You don't understand what a hero is
and neither do the creatively bankrupt hacks who made this shit. obi-wan would have been communing with qui-gon and yoda thru the force, daily meditating, preparing for the day when the time to train Luke and fight the Empire finally comes. obi-wan would have found resolve through his intense introspective nature and his search for inner peace. this whole israelite notion that failure just utterly destroys people and leaves them waiting to die is absolute nonsense.
Fricking pathetic arguing over a gay overplayed series.
>he posted in a thread about a gay overplayed series
i cant decide whats more pathetic. people who still think star wars is good, or people who shitpost in star wars threads like that makes them any better. if you didnt care you wouldnt be here simple as.
If you are over the age of 16 and still obsessed with Star Wars you should end it already
Is it time we admit that Lightsabers emitting their colored light was a bad decision and hope we go back to the classic look
what does hayden even do in this series, it could be anyone in the suit and the voice isn't his either
why did that homie vader just snap a kid's neck for nothing
he was trying to lure obi wan out
This entire series is fricking up lore, consistency, and basic storytelling just so the horrible writers at Disney can go: "Look it's Vader! Remember him? He's so cool!"
The writers at Disney are failing to see why the Mandalorian was succesful.
It took concepts fans wanted to see and expanded upon them, Obi Wan does nothing like that because we know how it's going to end and it takes place on a setting we already know too well.
it was refreshing watching some literal who going on basic adventures in the Star Wars universe. Shame they fricked it up by making him become best frens with a bunch of cartoon characters that only Sperg-Wars autists care about.
Not to mention
>let's bring back Luke. Turns out fans like him
Surprised he didnt end up with R2 and Threepio Cruising about in the Millennium Falcon by the end of it.
>a crippled robot vs an old out of shape man with ptsd
WHERE are my spinning black flips?