how did this season start off so strong but end so meh?

how did this season start off so strong but end so meh?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    where are the jokes?

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    how about they BARRY this show in the ground already

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what was that weird fricking hank storyline too? i get that the wife was trying to shock the gay out of him but holy shit that ending sucked

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I really hoped it was a hallucination/dream sequence until it was obvious that it wasn't
        so unbelievably homosexual

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i hate to say it unironically, but it start insisting on itself far too hard. the violence should have been kept light-hearted, and Barry's character should be written as the more realistic kind of sociopath with no real capacity for remorse. Would be funnier and cut out most of the worst of the show.
    You know what it's like when a dumb person writes an intelligent character and it's obviously off? Barry's character feels like a psycho badass written by a pussy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The writers have said they decided to jump the horse from comedy to drama. The fence sitting of tone was fascinating in its own right, where you'd get lines of dialogue that apply to the self-absorbed arts but comedically reflect Barry's struggle, but it seems to be going through a later seasons of M*A*S*H type of thing now.
      I'm still loving it, but I get that a shift like that could be jarring for some. I'm in it for what shenanigans pic rel is gonna pull next.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        My favorite line from this show will always be Fuches laughing at Stovka after he said he was 45 and Fuches immediately putting on a serious face going "okay, okay, I know one gal..."

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I sort of forgot about the older, legendary assassin being this warped, broken man who misses his family.
          It's nice that they've been warning us about Barry for a while.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Way too serious and the mob sidestory sucked.
    This was the last season right?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Season 4 was confirmed, with Bill Hader directing every episode. Not sure what's left to do with Barry since they got him now.
      Prison episodes? Prison escape? Therapy? They blame everything on Fuches? Barry becomes an assassin for the CIA? Gene does a play? Laura San Giacomo does a topless scene?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        i'm guessing the asian fbi guy will pull some strings.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I like him and hope he comes back, but it seemed like they were just trying to use his character as the only person in the series who actually forgave the real Barry.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        can they even pin anything on barry? fuches claimed he's the raven and was the one telling both gene and jim that barry killed janice

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Brandishing a weapon and attempted murder if they go for that route. Given a big theme of the show is him just falling further and further while never getting caught, it's definitely possible.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            brandishing follows the same rules as assault, you can't exactly threaten someone silently from behind where they can't see. attempted murder relies on the gun being loaded when last time it was seen gene dropped the bullets all over.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not big into the lawyer stuff so I'll take your word on it, but they could also probably argue something to the effect of him believing Jim was blackmailing Gene and his intentions were pure. Which, in his own fricked up way, they are. But at the same time do you think they would pass up him and Fuches seeing eachother in prison? Could be kino.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            he gets aggravated assault at most. the show doesn't really do realistic consequences for illegal shit and shows cops as extremely incompetent so I wouldn't be surprised if he just gets off somehow. or its a few episodes with him and fuches in prison

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Barry's a luck god he'll walk somehow

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Victor Zsasz breaks himself into jail Prison Break style with all the tattoos but hijinks occur and he and Barry get raped throughout.
        Fonzie says heeeeeey, shouldn't have killed my monkey girlfriend.
        Barry's annoying c**t girlfriend starts making shitty productions in Missouri.
        The Raven goes and lives in a farm.
        Le fin...

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You jest but I sincerely hope they have Sally scenes about trying to start another fricking show.
          Like I get that her killing someone is a game changer and we can't just drop the character, but with the direction the tone has taken, please GOD tell me we're done with the BanShe morons.

          he gets aggravated assault at most. the show doesn't really do realistic consequences for illegal shit and shows cops as extremely incompetent so I wouldn't be surprised if he just gets off somehow. or its a few episodes with him and fuches in prison

          This feels the most likely.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            *don't have Sally scenes
            *I MEANT DON'T FRICK

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Like I get that her killing someone is a game changer and we can't just drop the character
            she got a taste for blood and is off to kill sam

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              That would be far too problematic and kino for the writers to do

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          > newsradio reference

          kino.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I think it went too fast, too many main characters for a 30 minute runtime

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the runtime really hurts the show at this stage. It was good at first but there is too much happening at once now.

      >Like I get that her killing someone is a game changer and we can't just drop the character
      she got a taste for blood and is off to kill sam

      Probably. Shes basically been faking being a strong independent woman and now she knows she can actually do something real about it. I doubt she just straight up kills him but there will be some confrontation.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Get back in the trunk Cinemaphile

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >buys him Burger King to eat in the trunk
      I know it went darker and more serious but people who say there were no good jokes this season are shitters

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        that was like the only joke besides the sleeping dart one.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not gonna throw a whole list at you, but a lot of the Police Captain's dialogue seemed to be the levity too. There were times I also found myself laughing at the dark stuff in a black comedy kind of way, like when Gene is freaking out and his suitcases explode.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          the scene with gene running through the lesbian's yard was pitch perfect
          >i don't understand why you're leaving me
          >you have too many dogs

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            this was something out of a shitty early 90s flick

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >>buys him Burger King to eat in the trunk
        There's nothing funny about poisoning an old man

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Uses Gene's money and hands him the change

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There were some funny moments this season, but overall all of the storylines just felt so meandering and pointless. Like they have all these great, beloved characters but they do absolutely nothing. And I don't understand why the writers decided to do everything in their power to make us completely hate Sally.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      she was a total piece of shit since the beginning

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The whole story arc with the tv producers and showrunners took up way too much time. Feels like the writers of the show was just circlejerking some inside jokes that no one really cares about. Made the rest feel kinda rushed.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Which job do you take Cinemaphile

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      de boss

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        consogme?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        de boss can sok me

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >serial killers are bad, m'kay?
    TV doesn't know how to write a villain protagonist

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Barry isn't a serial killer or a villain.
      Fuches, if anyone, is the villain.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He's A killer, and we can't portray Dexters Walts and Davids winning on TV.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Killer, sure. But not serial.
          And if he had no soul like Fuches, he could "win" with all his killing, but he has one. So being a killer isn't sustainable. I don't really see your argument.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >people who do bad things on tv get punished, always
            >the show is about a guy who does a bad thing
            >I THOUGHT the charm of the show was watching this bad guy try to reinvent himself
            >the writers are telling us its really just a show about how you'll never come back from your past mistakes
            >this thread is about why the third season was lack luster
            >I'm trying to say the show betrayed what it was about, IMO

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              He's trying to come back from his mistakes by murdering more and more people.
              Albert basically gave him the forgiveness he wanted and he still went after Moss.

              I agree that the story has strayed from being about acting to a wienerup cascade. But like a drunk fat man once said, if you want a happy ending, it depends where you end your story.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              There's a difference between coming back from your mistake of being an butthole, and coming back from your mistake of being a murderer. Gene got his redemption, Sally will eventually redeem herself, but Barry will always be a piece of shit and it would be wrong to try to act differently.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Sally will eventually redeem herself
                She's traveling to Joplin with the intention of killing her ex

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Watching Sally get choked was kino

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    you can only push a premise so far. 3 seasons is far too long without bringing anything fresh/new to the table.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I felt the exact opposite.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cant wait for season 4 in jail & noho hank and cristobal taking over the world

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    YOU GOTTA TELL ME RIGHT NOW BARRY
    WHY CHRIS?
    HE WAS A SWEETHEART HE LOOKED UP TO YOU
    TELL ME RIGHT NOW
    DON'T JUST FRICKING SIT THERE YOU FRICKING TELL ME

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I know where i'm going after I die
    Afterlife and supernatural elements confirmed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Hallucinations of a guilty man. But I like the idea that it isn't necessarily "Hell", since they've avoided saying it.
      Maybe it's somewhere worse.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Hallucinations of a guilty man.
        I know this is probably the case but i hope it's not, or it at least leaves room for plausibility like the Sopranos.
        >Maybe it's somewhere worse.
        Banks of Jordan? Hades?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Cleveland.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    WHY'D YOU JUST SAY THAT?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      great scene

      YOU GOTTA TELL ME RIGHT NOW BARRY
      WHY CHRIS?
      HE WAS A SWEETHEART HE LOOKED UP TO YOU
      TELL ME RIGHT NOW
      DON'T JUST FRICKING SIT THERE YOU FRICKING TELL ME

      I like this character

      >Hallucinations of a guilty man.
      I know this is probably the case but i hope it's not, or it at least leaves room for plausibility like the Sopranos.
      >Maybe it's somewhere worse.
      Banks of Jordan? Hades?

      it had to be a hallucination on acccount of Gene and Sally being there, don't you think?

      >people who do bad things on tv get punished, always
      >the show is about a guy who does a bad thing
      >I THOUGHT the charm of the show was watching this bad guy try to reinvent himself
      >the writers are telling us its really just a show about how you'll never come back from your past mistakes
      >this thread is about why the third season was lack luster
      >I'm trying to say the show betrayed what it was about, IMO

      >the writers are telling us its really just a show about how you'll never come back from your past mistakes
      I don't think that's true. barry's morality is still all fricked up, so he can't come back yet. sure, he feels guilty, and he wants to make things right with the people he wronged, but he isn't willing to face any consequences. from the show's perspective, Barry should be thinking like Chris did in the scene where Barry kills him -- he should realize that he NEEDS to face the music.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The second one was a hallucination (representing his subconscious belief that he's turning Gene and Sally into worse people)
        The first is up for interpretation

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    was getting sick of gen until i mrealize this is the last episode of the season if he will become famous after this & a hero then i good with him coming back

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone listen to Hader on the Prestige TV podcast? Dude sounds genuinely depressed.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      hopefully he's just tired from working so much but he also works in pedowood so it wouldn't surprise me.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He was asked if he thought the season was too bleak, and responded something like ‘if you think this is bleak go watch the news’ which seems like a terrible way to think about a television show. Like homie that’s why I don’t watch the news.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ep 6 was kino
    Ep 7 was a bit of a lull
    Ep 8 was just grim

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently s4 was written during the pandemic, so clearly there’s some plan.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the season 3 finale has got to be one of the single worst things I have ever witness, the absolute egregious change of tone and style from the first 2 seasons is astonishing, the writers literally had to go out of their way to frick up this fricking hard yet they somehow managed it, the downfall of this show over a single season has been monumental. If they do not do a complete 180 and turn the tone back to that of season 1 this show is done for

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Show develops and grows and stays true to where the story was headed
      >Cinemaphile complains
      Like clockwork

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The story in no way at all needed to head that way, the frick are you talking about, they had a million different outs they could've taken with the story. Not to mention the random tonal shift and for what reason exactly ? clearly the show didnt benefit from it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It absolutely did after Season 2. Barry needed this emotional low point, I don't know why you think this is somehow out of character for him or the show. It wasn't a random tonal shift, it's literally the logical progression from Season 2

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        How can Cinemaphile love BCS but hate Barry? Makes no sense.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It started shit and only got better

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I liked it better when it was a comedy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Season 3 was by far the funniest season though, maybe not minute to minute but all the jokes they pulled were genuinely great

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Honest question where are you on the spectrum.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't laugh a single time during the entire show
      I like where it's headed now

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is the entire concept of the show; assassin doing assassin things but the killings can’t be funny. There’s only one direction that can go, which is the overly heavy dreary show we have now.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >but the killings can’t be funny
        Did you just forget the bomb, or the suicide bomber, or the fricking bikers

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wew

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    show jumped the shark when the wolf girl sat on the roof for 8 hours. wtf were they thinking.

    this season had many stupid moments too. some good stuff, some interesting stuff...but ultimately fell short

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      that episode was fricking abysmal
      season 2 episode 5

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Highest rated episode of the entire series. Who’s in the wrong here?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Highest rated episode of the entire series
          bullshit, people liked that shit?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            9.8 on IMDB

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    welp, after this season I'm not watching this shit over the initial release schedule anymore. too fricking annoying being drip fed 30 minute episodes for zero fricking payoff

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      frick he basically did, didn't he?

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Le season 3 goes DARK
    Moral Orel and its consequences have been a disaster for television.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This season lost the tone balance fir sure.. too depressing.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Too much shit was happening in the season.
    >Fuches goes to a farm twice
    >That lesbo chick who was a focal point but then fricked off nowhere to be seen (glad she was gone but she was unneeded altogether)
    >The mom and son who were planning to kill Barry but then she shot her kid and they disappeared, not even confirming if he died
    I hope for this show's sake that Hader can get HBO to give them a 44 min runtime (minimum) because holy shit. It wasn't that bad in seasons 1 and 2 but it's clear that they are stuffing too much with little breathing room. And with only 8 fricking episodes.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the runtime and season limits are noticeably stifling the pacing

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    this season was all reactive. dealing with the aftermath of Janice and Ryan's deaths was a waste because we never cared about those characters. so Ryan and Janice's fathers having these emotional scenes where they lament their losses was boring as frick because the show was never about them
    they should have written new adventures for Barry instead of rehashing past events

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >we never cared about those characters
      It's about how Barry, Gene, and Sally deal with the consequences of what Barry did you absolute brainlet.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        and it was terrible television

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly and it’s all because Hader believes it has to be real and honest. Like no it really doesn’t. It has to be interesting and entertaining.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >real and honest
            this show is the antithesis of real

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It was great, get over yourself

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hader can put together a strong vignette here or there but that's all he seems capable of, doesn't have the discipline or autism to put together an entire season. Show also stopped being funny, I would not have predicted Sally would have the storyline with the most laughs.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Show also stopped being funny
      No it didn't, pretty much every episode besides the last use a lot of dark humor

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't have the discipline or autism
      This show and the MC is incredibly autistic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I do the head slapping sometimes. Is that weird?

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Breaking bad tier show (it’s bad )

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why does HBO put zero effort in this show? They don't market it at all. Season 2 was pretty popular on account of Ronnie/lily being in a popular time slot, why'd they piss it away? Is it not hitting the right taste clusters?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      HBO treats its comedies poorly. This could also be a factor into Barry's tonal shift this season

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does HBO put zero effort in this show?
      Off topic but why don't HBO release their shit in 4K?

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Concept sounds good, but I was out of it by the 3rd episode.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    am I insane or is there someone in the shadows of the last shot with the black guy, like moving in the background and then the FAINTEST HINT of someone entering from the left frame?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Knowing how fricking stupid the plot is getting it wouldn't shock me if Janice survived or some shit. Reminder that she wasn't in Barry's near death afterlife.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        could be true, we didn't see a body

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