No, neurotypical cishet white men have too much societal privilege to be raped by a woman, they can only be raped by other neurotypical cishet white men. Ergo what Diana did was sexual misconduct at worst. I guess Steve technically committed sexual assault by having sex with Diana while in Handsome Man body but that’s on him not Diana
I blame guardians of the galaxy. as soon as it became a hit most super hero movies were like "dude! what if we make our movies more like it? you know, with 80's references, music and colors!" then you have shit like wonder woman 1984 or thor love and thunder
Guardians had 80's references but 70's music since it's what Star-Lord's mom listened to and it was tied to Star-Lord's childhood trauma and inability to let go of the past. By the third movie he had more than 80's music with his zune.
And it's not just Guardians, there's been a resurgence of 80's nostalgia since the 2010's and it's gotten to the point that some zoomer kids are growing up with it and having 80's nostalgia. Now we're getting some 90's nostalgia crap and 00's is already happening too.
>there's been a resurgence of 80's nostalgia since the 2010's
There's been 80's nostalgia since like 2001. It's the same Gen X execs pushing this shit because they got their jobs in the 2000's and are so out of touch they still think heckin' Ghostbusters Transformers He-man is still fresh nostalgia.
I find it really weird that the 80's feel like they're making a comeback now. I remember when the internet was all over the 90's kids shit, so we should be seeing 00 stuff now, not going back to the 80's.
It's more of Hollywood learning the wrong lesson when something it's a hit or a bomb. GotG was a hit because it was actually a really fun movie, not just because of the 80's references.
I'm tired of this 80s nostalgia trend that seems to be lasting all to way from the 2010's to today too, but it's honestly the least of this movies weird problems.
>movie about how a sect of Muh Strong Wymen was being gaslit into believing they're ubermensch for centuries, only for a bunch of rank-and-file soldiers to accidentally stumble upon their make-believe land and fuck them up with no issues
what did Patty Jenkins mean by this?
If Maxwell Lord were portrayed as more evil the movie probably would have flowed better. He was pretty reasonable and sympathetic and most of the bad that came from his actions came from him not being able to see things several degrees removed from his perspective. Dude was given more power than someone like Homelander and really didn't give it to pettiness or maliciousness, he just didn't understand the scope of his influence. And it just kind of made it sad watching him get taken down.
Cheetah aside this film was fun and enjoyable. I thought the way that they brought back Steve Trevor was very comic book in nature, Pedro Pascal was an amazing Maxwell Lord even if they didn't get the visual of the character right, the nose bleed scene in the White House is one of my all time favorite comic book film moments, it didn't poop itself in the final act ruining everything that came before it like Wonder Woman did and since I wasn't one of the people that lied to themselves that Gal Gadot was a good actress her z-tier acting talent didn't bother me. I liked it a lot.
Pedro was great but the way the entire story played out gets too stupid by the end of the film.
Cheetah should have had a better design and showed up like half way into the movie...not the last 10 minutes.
Same problem BvS had. They just kept shoving in more undeveloped plots and scenes regardless of how any of them fit together.
Let's take the OP scene where the movie opens with the flashback to Diana's childhood on Themyscira. What bearing does this have on the rest of the movie. Diana didn't consciously cheat like she was accused of by Princess Buttercup she suffered a setback, and did the only thing she could think of to get back into the race afterwards. Failing the archery portion of the Mongol Biathlon may disqualify her from winning but this is not the character failing the movie presents. What is the moral and does it apply in the later movie? Remembering the personal conflict in this movie is that Diana, unwittingly, gives up her powers to get Steve Trevor back. Then she has to give up Steve Trevor to get her powers to save the world.
>Truth is truth
no fucking duh. But only loosely has bearing on context later. >No hero is born from lies
There no lies Diana dispels about herself or overcomes in this movie. >Diana wasn't ready to win
Subjective, who is she proving her readiness to? >The golden warrior didn't become a legend out of haste.
Diana gains all the legitimacy and power she needs from that armor she mentions having once before she dons it. Seemingly as a crutch because she does not yet have her powers back. >Cheating is not the way to win.
Now maybe this is something. With the earlier diatribe about cheating and shortcuts this does forecast the general shape of the wishing stone. Maxwell is actually legitimately making things happen with his powers. But he's not explaining the rules to everyone so he's cheating people out of their greatest treasures by doing so. But does Diana need to lose a contest to see that a man walking around robbing people and causing wars is bad? Or needs to be reminded that her Lasso of Truth... is itself and revealing the lie of omission is not any number of steps removed from the problem.
Suggesting having a nom de gar is suggesting Andre the Giant is a liar and I won't stand for it. Even so only half of Diana's civilian name is a lie, actually more of an approximation. Even then Diana isn't calling herself "Wonder Woman". She's not in a hurry to introduce herself all the time but she does use "Diana". So... I don't think that's on the table.
But even without justification: It's not like Diana looks and says "I'm Smithsonian Archaeologist Diana Prince, and also Wonder Woman, and also Diana, the Princess of the Amazons, and also the last living Greek demigod and daughter of Zeus" to solve some part of the movie.
Wonder Woman 1 good movie about a bunch of army lads taking along a dumb girl with superpowers. That's why the movie took a turn for the worse than Ares actually appeared.
Gave Patty Jenkins full creative control and it’s clear she was more interested in making a romance film than capeshit. After the initial action scene, Wonder Woman herself is missing from the film for over an hour.
they let the Director think she'd been the reason for the first film actually being a success when she was well over her head and "Stage Dad" Chris Pine kept the whole thing together for her.
And so she used that clout to do stupid shit like Film two Opening Segments and use both of them.
It's honestly one of the most confusingly disjointed Superhero movie to come out of this whole decades long fiasco. So many weird ideas, barely any of it fits together. It almost feels like the movie was partially aware of this with the "SO MANY THINGS" quote from WW.
All that is said in this thread, plus DC hating old wonder woman comics and TV show altogether, because Diana can't have second life interacting with people an behaving like a human being. >You can't have Diana detective job because it would be too batman, which worked in the past >You can't have Diana doing neighborhood community services because "is too submissive for women" when it isn't and she did that in the past. >You can't have Diana being a JAG and a Lawyer because it would be too She-Hulk, when She Hulk took this from her and made is more comedic. >You can't have Diana doing her superhero job like superman because it steals Spotlight from Kara, Karen and Lana.
All you have is them ost generic and paperclip brand who keeps repeating the same fucking DCAU WW where she was your bland warrior woman with muh rights, when Shayera and the other girls had more personality than her.
DC doesn't know what to do with Wonder woman, or even the other amazons, only Donna escaped this fate but it took a shitload of time until it was fixed.
The same way the other "DC extended universe" movies shat the bed
Was it rape?
Yes
No, neurotypical cishet white men have too much societal privilege to be raped by a woman, they can only be raped by other neurotypical cishet white men. Ergo what Diana did was sexual misconduct at worst. I guess Steve technically committed sexual assault by having sex with Diana while in Handsome Man body but that’s on him not Diana
It's funny that feminazis accuse "toxic masculinity" of causing the stigma, but they unironically sound like this whenever the topic comes up
Women can't carry stories
I blame guardians of the galaxy. as soon as it became a hit most super hero movies were like "dude! what if we make our movies more like it? you know, with 80's references, music and colors!" then you have shit like wonder woman 1984 or thor love and thunder
Guardians had 80's references but 70's music since it's what Star-Lord's mom listened to and it was tied to Star-Lord's childhood trauma and inability to let go of the past. By the third movie he had more than 80's music with his zune.
And it's not just Guardians, there's been a resurgence of 80's nostalgia since the 2010's and it's gotten to the point that some zoomer kids are growing up with it and having 80's nostalgia. Now we're getting some 90's nostalgia crap and 00's is already happening too.
>there's been a resurgence of 80's nostalgia since the 2010's
There's been 80's nostalgia since like 2001. It's the same Gen X execs pushing this shit because they got their jobs in the 2000's and are so out of touch they still think heckin' Ghostbusters Transformers He-man is still fresh nostalgia.
There's been 80s nostalgia since 1990.
I find it really weird that the 80's feel like they're making a comeback now. I remember when the internet was all over the 90's kids shit, so we should be seeing 00 stuff now, not going back to the 80's.
Turning Red omitted 9/11 and people are mad.
HBO Max laid a huge steamy load right before Covid hit that caused a big dust-up between directors and WB.
Wonder Woman 84 was boring. GOTG was not.
I said they are trying to copy it not that it automatically becomes cinematic kino if you throw some old music and designs
It's more of Hollywood learning the wrong lesson when something it's a hit or a bomb. GotG was a hit because it was actually a really fun movie, not just because of the 80's references.
truly a "GOTG ruined a whole generation of movie" moment
How about you blame Wonder Woman 84?
I'm tired of this 80s nostalgia trend that seems to be lasting all to way from the 2010's to today too, but it's honestly the least of this movies weird problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Callaham
>movie about how a sect of Muh Strong Wymen was being gaslit into believing they're ubermensch for centuries, only for a bunch of rank-and-file soldiers to accidentally stumble upon their make-believe land and fuck them up with no issues
what did Patty Jenkins mean by this?
No Domino
>what if rich white men were... LE EVIL???
>also... LE TRUMP?!
Gee I wonder what went wrong
You cannot have wealthy white people as being evil anymore why?
>LE
Jesus christ. For how much this board hates on reddit you would think people would stop with this shitty unfunny meme slang.
If Maxwell Lord were portrayed as more evil the movie probably would have flowed better. He was pretty reasonable and sympathetic and most of the bad that came from his actions came from him not being able to see things several degrees removed from his perspective. Dude was given more power than someone like Homelander and really didn't give it to pettiness or maliciousness, he just didn't understand the scope of his influence. And it just kind of made it sad watching him get taken down.
I didn't see Maxwell Lord as a white man, I saw him as an immigrant father trying to make it in the world.
White people saw him as white? I also never perceive Pedro Pascal as white so it's probably a me thing.
Aint he spanish or some shit? Pretty sure those are hwite
Pedro is Chilean. His mother was was a daughter of a second generation spanish-basques family that intermarried and his father was a Chilean national.
Make of that whatever you wil.
Cheetah aside this film was fun and enjoyable. I thought the way that they brought back Steve Trevor was very comic book in nature, Pedro Pascal was an amazing Maxwell Lord even if they didn't get the visual of the character right, the nose bleed scene in the White House is one of my all time favorite comic book film moments, it didn't poop itself in the final act ruining everything that came before it like Wonder Woman did and since I wasn't one of the people that lied to themselves that Gal Gadot was a good actress her z-tier acting talent didn't bother me. I liked it a lot.
Max Lord was a parody of Donald Trump and even so they made him sympathetic.
Pedro was great but the way the entire story played out gets too stupid by the end of the film.
Cheetah should have had a better design and showed up like half way into the movie...not the last 10 minutes.
women
male rape
>A bad DC movie
Geez wow what???? How the fuck did that happen?
Gave the (female) staff of the first movie too much freedom.
Same problem BvS had. They just kept shoving in more undeveloped plots and scenes regardless of how any of them fit together.
Let's take the OP scene where the movie opens with the flashback to Diana's childhood on Themyscira. What bearing does this have on the rest of the movie. Diana didn't consciously cheat like she was accused of by Princess Buttercup she suffered a setback, and did the only thing she could think of to get back into the race afterwards. Failing the archery portion of the Mongol Biathlon may disqualify her from winning but this is not the character failing the movie presents. What is the moral and does it apply in the later movie? Remembering the personal conflict in this movie is that Diana, unwittingly, gives up her powers to get Steve Trevor back. Then she has to give up Steve Trevor to get her powers to save the world.
>Truth is truth
no fucking duh. But only loosely has bearing on context later.
>No hero is born from lies
There no lies Diana dispels about herself or overcomes in this movie.
>Diana wasn't ready to win
Subjective, who is she proving her readiness to?
>The golden warrior didn't become a legend out of haste.
Diana gains all the legitimacy and power she needs from that armor she mentions having once before she dons it. Seemingly as a crutch because she does not yet have her powers back.
>Cheating is not the way to win.
Now maybe this is something. With the earlier diatribe about cheating and shortcuts this does forecast the general shape of the wishing stone. Maxwell is actually legitimately making things happen with his powers. But he's not explaining the rules to everyone so he's cheating people out of their greatest treasures by doing so. But does Diana need to lose a contest to see that a man walking around robbing people and causing wars is bad? Or needs to be reminded that her Lasso of Truth... is itself and revealing the lie of omission is not any number of steps removed from the problem.
>No hero is born from lies
Arent secret IDs lies?
Yes
Suggesting having a nom de gar is suggesting Andre the Giant is a liar and I won't stand for it. Even so only half of Diana's civilian name is a lie, actually more of an approximation. Even then Diana isn't calling herself "Wonder Woman". She's not in a hurry to introduce herself all the time but she does use "Diana". So... I don't think that's on the table.
But even without justification: It's not like Diana looks and says "I'm Smithsonian Archaeologist Diana Prince, and also Wonder Woman, and also Diana, the Princess of the Amazons, and also the last living Greek demigod and daughter of Zeus" to solve some part of the movie.
Wonder Woman 1 good movie about a bunch of army lads taking along a dumb girl with superpowers. That's why the movie took a turn for the worse than Ares actually appeared.
Gave Patty Jenkins full creative control and it’s clear she was more interested in making a romance film than capeshit. After the initial action scene, Wonder Woman herself is missing from the film for over an hour.
The Feminist fantasy is settling down with a nice handsome man that you also have complete power over
really makes you think
Isnt that just... the fucking boomer "my wife nags too much" meme?
I honestly didn't hate this movie, it was stupid and had the vibe of like old 80's superhero movie sequel like Superman 3 but I didn't hate it, meh.
Woman moment: the movie
Why did they pick a kid instead of a teenager for this scene?
Based on your screenshot it might be because they filmed it in 240p
they let the Director think she'd been the reason for the first film actually being a success when she was well over her head and "Stage Dad" Chris Pine kept the whole thing together for her.
And so she used that clout to do stupid shit like Film two Opening Segments and use both of them.
Why isnt this on >>Cinemaphile do they ban capeshit movies over there?
The good parts of the first movie were Snyder's ideas. Also 1984 was written by fucking Geoff Johns
Haha imagine if Darkseid sent you to retrieve the box and now you're stuck inside a small room surrounded by muscular women isn't that terrible haha
No Snyder
It's honestly one of the most confusingly disjointed Superhero movie to come out of this whole decades long fiasco. So many weird ideas, barely any of it fits together. It almost feels like the movie was partially aware of this with the "SO MANY THINGS" quote from WW.
By not having any good ideas.
All that is said in this thread, plus DC hating old wonder woman comics and TV show altogether, because Diana can't have second life interacting with people an behaving like a human being.
>You can't have Diana detective job because it would be too batman, which worked in the past
>You can't have Diana doing neighborhood community services because "is too submissive for women" when it isn't and she did that in the past.
>You can't have Diana being a JAG and a Lawyer because it would be too She-Hulk, when She Hulk took this from her and made is more comedic.
>You can't have Diana doing her superhero job like superman because it steals Spotlight from Kara, Karen and Lana.
All you have is them ost generic and paperclip brand who keeps repeating the same fucking DCAU WW where she was your bland warrior woman with muh rights, when Shayera and the other girls had more personality than her.
DC doesn't know what to do with Wonder woman, or even the other amazons, only Donna escaped this fate but it took a shitload of time until it was fixed.
It's like the director couldn't decide if it should pay homage to the Superman movie or Wonder Woman TV show, and she failed at both.