Iceman stopped being day and no one cares anymore, the only people who want to keep going "they are ruined foreber!!!1" about shit like this are mentally cucked
>CURRENT YEAR
Here you go moronic casual. Now go kys you obvious regret of a missed abortion appointment.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao, woke twitter tourist BTFO
2 years ago
Anonymous
He was beyond fricking moronic. The only character that was retconned from being a queer was Herc and in the end they fricking reversed that so and they made him go from bi to straight to now full on gay.
Why was Dick made into a secret agent and not Tim? >Gives Tim a new gimmick >People love the Nightwing identity, most don't give a shit about "Red Robin" >Tim is supposed to be the smartest Robin, a skillset well-suited to undercover spy shit
Because for 6 years after new 52 Tim's entire job has been to carry the no-hopers that is the modern Teen Titans. The batwriters were mostly people who's research consists of DKR/Year One, the movies, and half remembered issues of BTAS so they had no use for Tim. Then we got Tynion, and he mostly did things alright, but he left and thus you get a writer who just panders to online fan's idea of Tim by making him date boys.
Canonically, Dick is supposed to be an expert at hand to hand combat, his intelligence unmatched, his work ethic solid,people went to him for his tech/gadget skills and his detective skills routinely were considered the best.
then the late 90s happened and it all went to Tim lol but Grayson has Dick being more like his pre-zero hour self than he has in years. Dick works well as a spy because he gets to be the character he was created to be.
I like Tim, but for me he works best as robin/red robin. And I even prefer Tim Drake titans material to Dick's. And as a Nightwing fan,, the nightwing identity is really only popular with a group of comic fans. Grayson pulled similar numbers to rebirth and the current run. And there are plenty of people who prefer Batdick over Nightwing. Literally two of Nightwing's best runs are when he is not wearing the Nightwing mantle lol
>then the late 90s happened and it all went to Tim lol but Grayson has Dick being more like his pre-zero hour self than he has in years.
Dixon Dick gets a lot of flack for making him a bit of a manchild, but he was still a detective and even Tim acknowledged Dick as being better than him at that. Wolfman Dick is a fricking stiff, no pun intended. Just a boring character. He did a lot for maturing the character, absolutely, but his personality was being serious leader guy and mature romantic. I wouldn't say Grayson was his being back to his pre zero Hour era, because there's definitely elements of his solo run there. But moreover, both his solo and Grayson draw from his classic Robin stuff.
I definitely was referring to his time as Robin in the golden/silver pre NTT! I agree with you about NTT Dick being boring, but I will say I enjoyed his growth into becomming Nightwing more than Wolfman writing him as Nightwing.
I dont hate Dixon Nightwing, but I think he did a disservice to him by retconning his past time as robin with Bruce and trying to shove batgirl in there as anything significant.
Once he started making Nightwing more about Babs, tim and the BOP, I stopped reading. Which of course is more after No Mans Land towards the end of his tenure anyhow. I enjoyed his early Nightwing content, but after No Mans Land, Nightwing started to go downhill as a character.
If I had to suggest the best Dick as a character comic it is Judas Contract, Tomasi's Nightwing, Seeley/King Grayson and then Black Mirror. And that's because those runs remind me the most of golden/silver age robin. which I would recommend to anyone.
Compared to Tim, Dick has less enjoyable content. But has more potential as a character.
>>Tim is supposed to be the smartest Robin, a skillset well-suited to undercover spy shit
Pushing this is not doing Tim any favors. Outside if it being a meaningless distinction since they're all genius' there's no way to reinforce it since no writer is going to undermine their story to have Tim solve something.
Get used to him being gay with Bernard, any attempt to break them up after the big push DC has done would never fly and the gays would see as queer erasure.
When it comes to romance he is the most untapped, so him being gay wouldn’t feel odd and might actually add to his identity, and considering he has a solo unlike Tim there would actually be space to develop it properly.
I love how stupid fricks now repeat this same exact talking point like NPCs because they’re so insecure and homophobic that they can’t wrap their goddamn bigot heads that being bisexual means you can date both men and women, it’s not excluding the other.
Here's the thing, being bisexual is kinda irrelevant if the character's main love interest is their opposite gender.
Like, Catwoman is bisexual, but we sure as hell never see her in any DC Pride content.
Since she's constantly fricking Batman, she might as well be straight, she isn't straight, but because we don't see her actively do lesbian stuff, she doesn't really "count".
Tim on the other hand, has been getting pushed hard with Bernard, sure he's bi, which means he could break up with him and go date a girl, but that'd be the same problem as Selina, if he's going to have a straight relationship, then he doesn't really seem very LGBTQ+, does he?
And that's what really matters in the end, what he does, you can write that he's bi every time he's with a girl, but unless he's with another guy, it doesn't really count.
>Except it’s not when there’s still history of dating both sexes.
Alan Scott was with many women back in the day, but with the gay retcon that simply doesn't matter, similarly, it doesn't really matter what happened a long time ago if what's happening in the present contradicts it, sure you can say Tim is bi, and him being in a straight relationship doesn't contradict that, but it still doesn't show it as much as they'd like. >And you can always make a reference to being attracted to the same sex.
Actions speak louder than words, offhand references aren't really enough.
It's also simply easier to have the character in a gay relationship as a constant reminder that the character isn't straight than to delegate their gayness to references and previous relationships.
>Alan Scott was with many women back in the day, but with the gay retcon that simply doesn't matter
His relationships with women became beards, and being in denial about his sexuality during a repressive era when you couldn’t be open about your homosexuality.
>sure you can say Tim is bi, and him being in a straight relationship doesn't contradict that, but it still doesn't show it as much as they'd like.
It’s a very narrow-minded to demand that you constantly jump back and forth men and women to renew your bisexual credentials.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is still don’t understand why the frick they decided to retcon Alan’s sexuality, despite the mountains of stuff that contradicts him being gay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because literally 99% of readers don’t think his heterosexuality is any type of inherent or important aspect of the character. This also extends to writers who for the past two decades now have not been at all interested in even showing Alan having a private life beyond his kids.
>His relationships with women became beards, and being in denial about his sexuality during a repressive era when you couldn’t be open about your homosexuality.
Maybe I'm letting my personal bias show here, but I didn't like that, specially with how much of a big deal it was that he supposedly loved his wife, I was actually hoping he'd be bi. >It’s a very narrow-minded to demand that you constantly jump back and forth men and women to renew your bisexual credentials.
That's the society we live in, let me remind you that DC wants Tim as the big LGBTQ+ member of the Bat-Family, which is best showcased by having him in a constant gay relationship, with reference to all his previous straight relationships for good measure, if they do it the other way around, it might not seem like enough.
There’s plenty of examples now of older generation gay men having had entirely functional heterosexual marriages where their also spouse knew/suspected they were gay and were fine with the marriage being more companionship and more of society convenience than deeply romantic and sexual relationship. It’s not disrespectful to change the relationship slightly, especially when the stories still emphasize Alan loved Molly in his own way.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The problem with Alan is that a lot of people liked his long-term character development as a guy who had to come to terms with his son being gay and their relationship becoming stronger for it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>His relationships with women became beards, and being in denial about his sexuality during a repressive era when you couldn’t be open about your homosexuality.
Maybe I'm letting my personal bias show here, but I didn't like that, specially with how much of a big deal it was that he supposedly loved his wife, I was actually hoping he'd be bi. >It’s a very narrow-minded to demand that you constantly jump back and forth men and women to renew your bisexual credentials.
That's the society we live in, let me remind you that DC wants Tim as the big LGBTQ+ member of the Bat-Family, which is best showcased by having him in a constant gay relationship, with reference to all his previous straight relationships for good measure, if they do it the other way around, it might not seem like enough.
Bi characters have the unfortunate problem of either needing to rapidly go through several partners, be in a polygamous relationship, or be a bawd to “properly” showcase their sexuality. All of which aren’t exactly considered positive traits by most people so it’s usually better to pretend Bis aren’t real. There are similar issues with gay couples having children not from a previous failed relationship.
The absolute best thing to do with him is retire him. His only value to readers now is being a bisexual going on dates. thats what readers want to see. There's been more excitement overTim going on a date with a boy than anything else in 10 years. That's what the audience wants now.
Look at the backlash for not showing him and Bernard's date despite the fact that most of tim's romance's have been off screen. He was introduced already dating arianna, we see him on dates Steph sometimes but those mostly consisted of them crimefighting; when they were just going out as civilians it was maybe a panel or two or indication and then mostly off screen. zoe had a whole issue dedicated to him working up the nerve to asking her out but only got a page of an actual date, then a panel here or there for a few years. Tam the same thing; so much people forget which was Tam and which was Zoe. And in Rebirth his relationship with steph was largely off panel.
Tim at this point would work best as a background character. Steph and Cass' gay best friend/brother, Dick's peppy little gay brother, Kate's nerdy little gay friend, whatever.
>Look at the backlash for not showing him and Bernard's date despite the fact that most of tim's romance's have been off screen.
oh no, 5 twittergays cried about it what a backlash
bring him to the watchtower as a JL intern or something. Have him take on Martian Manhunter and Mr. Terrific's role in the JLU cartoon.
And get him back together with Spoiler. Making him a homosexual was a bad move.
Take a page out of noir for him and have Bernard as the guy next door sweetheart and reintroduce that rentboy that showed up in a couple of issues from Tim's original run as Tim's soiled dove, "him fatale."
>two fricking years ago?
Complaining so much we stopped "Drake" from being a thing? The only time Tim fans have been truly quiet is new52-rebirth because losing Red Robin broke so many of us.
>doesn't pay attention to the outrage when it happens >schizos out, insisting it never happened at all
Many such cases. Christ, I'm a newbie and I remember the outrage.
>Tim declares steph the love of his life during young justice >they were supposed to go to college together >But then Tim broke off with her off panel >Immidiately went for some boipussy >Then immidiately presents him to steph and she has to accept it otherwise she's a bigot
Being Steph is suffering
Holy shit, this is pretty much rubbing in your face, but on the other hand this is too fricking funny. I support Bernard x Tim now if we get to see Steph suffer.
I will never understand how somebody who held down popular solos and a couple of team books for 20 years has been labeled as boring. Flashpoint and rebirth undoing all of his development and being stuck in an empty status quo as the cape world gets more crowded is a whole different thing. If they didn't know what to do they just should have made him retire like his original inclinations or at least until somebody had a real fricking story to tell besides lazy clickbait/pandering
>his entire character revolves around being Robin
in the same way that every other cape character does with their moniker. What is Bruce Wayne without Batman? What matters his how it affects his story. In Tim's case in particular he always wanted a normal life outside the cape anyway which was the cause of a lot of his problems. Beyond that his last major arc before new 52 was moving beyond the particular role of Robin/sidekick (shitty name aside) and starting the next phase of his life like DIck did, but 2 resets later with hack writers and hack editors had him stuck in an aimless void. He's not even the only character who was like that though he might have been the most popular
Except he's the 3rd Robin at that point it's about the character and not the moniker and Tim Drake without Robin was just a nice by the books rich kid. It doesn't help that Tim fans can't seem to decide if they want the developed RR like what you posted are Dixon Tim Drake since they're pretty much mutually exclusive.
I can't speak for other fans but I thought his story built on itself about as well as you could reasonably expect in capes and neither really conflicts with each other while culminating in his resolution and growth in RR. Just in Dixon's era alone Tim had gone from a somewhat lonely, optimistic rich kid with a sense of duty and order to a middle class cynic that had his personal life crumbling as he realized caping sucked more than he ever thought and wanted to quit, but felt obligated to continue. Afterwards he went through maximum suffering to the point where he questioned his whole motivation, his ability to maintain both of his lives, and limits of Bruce's philosophy.
The point is he was a multilayered person and his characterization through all of his runs or even just Dixon's was more tied to the general nature of capes and how they handle things along with his sense of duty and responsibility than it was to Robin in particular
Because the sad truth of comics is that TPBs of arcs are immensely more valuable to later readers than dozens of issues of a solo series on their own. DC hates circulating or promoting their backissues that aren't by big name creators so its a self fulfilling prophecy that only certain old books are known.There's random 70's BAtman issues better than Hush or Court of Owls, but most people will never know because that means digging through old backissues, and there criteria for a good story is some big earth shattering change up(that changes nothing) anyway.
Give him back the Red Robin run costume, and have doods give him more respect by showing he's the true successor to the mantle atleasts until damian is ready
>he's the true successor
I will never get this, its obviously Dick, and has been since the 50's. Sure, Nightwing is his own man and all, but I can't imagine a 45 year old Nightwing. It always felt like something he does to prove himself before getting back to the family business.
Dick doesn't want to be batman, nightwing is already its own thing and he can't do the dark deeds that batman sometimes has to do, not saying tim is alot more dark than dick but hes definitely not as goody as Dick and I can see him doing things Dick won't do as a batman replacement, and he's the best detective out of the group with ponetntial to be greater than Bruce
the problem is that Tim being batman means something has gone horribly wrong in his life so shit's going to be fricked. Tim Batman is supposed to be a bad end. In general I liked the idea of Bruce not having a permanent successor and it basically being a committee of people he's trained, though not necessarily in the whole direction of Batman Inc.
I want to do a Tim Drake run that leans into strengths: his curiosity and his need to know the unknowable. I'd yank him out of Gotham to go on a sabbatical, having lost his drive and needing a new environment to reinvigorate himself, so he'd go up to Minnesota to a taconite-mining down off Lake Superior he and his parents once vacationed at. But it would turn into a Twin Peaks scenario where all the townsfolk are real fricking weird, have their own secrets and grudges, and Tim's blundered into the middle of them. Just be a mystery series of him navigating these strangers' lives, and slowly pulling on a seemingly supernatural thread that binds them all.
No, it’s done. Forget the character. There’s no point reading the old stories when you know it all ends with him literally choking on a twink wiener. Move on. I had to do the same thing with Superman, and it sucked, but was ultimately the right decision.
The only way to Tim Drake to become relevant again is to kill off Jason and Damian. Those two c**ts are the reason why Tim fell from grace in the first place.
Jason brought Tim's Robin identity to a shake, even more when Jason was redeemed. And Damian nailed the coffin for Tim. Both Jason and Damian should be dead and never to return. Frick those two.
This doesn't make sense to me because Jason and Damian fill a completely different niche from Tim. and if anything Damian becoming robin was really healthy for Tim by making him Red Robin.
I assume Bendis was hoping to leave his mark on Tim, but everyone hated it so they just turned him back into Robin, since they were also trying to take Damian out of the role at that point.
It seems like they are still planning to have Damian drop the Robin mantle considering Tim as Robin will be a big part of Zdaeskys Batman run, and Damian’s run is getting cancelled so that he can be possessed by some demon.
Is Damian actually getting possesed for the long term? Or is it just a thing that's specifically happening in that one single story?
2 years ago
Anonymous
We don’t know, but because of his solo’s cancellation and Tim about to recive prominence as Batman’s main partner again, it might be possible
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Robin book isn't getting cancelled, just getting a new writer.
And again, it'd be completely possible for Damian and Tim to simply continue sharing the Robin mantle, one with Batman, and the other doing his own thing.
Also, let me remind you DC has no problem with having multiple characters with the same name nowadays, even ignoring the Flashes and Green Lanterns, we have: >2 Supermen >2 Batmen >2 Batgirls (sometimes 3) >2 Wonder Girls >2 Blue Beetles
And of course we've had 2 Robins for quite a while now, that could simply keep being the case, and if anyone should drop the Robin title, it should be Tim anyways, he REALLY needs to find his own thing.
Also also, Damian's run doesn't seem to be ending, just getting a new writer that's not Williamson.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We've had at least two, if not 3, Flashes going at the same time since Wally's became the Flash.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Actually, right now we have Jay, Barry, Wally, and Avery as Flashes, so that makes 4.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just like to pretend the dumb new characters don't exist sometimes.
>Dick and Jason and hell even Damien have a niche for themselves but Tim has nothing
You clearly haven't read any of Tim's old stuff. Hell, I've only read OG Young Justice (in terms of Tim content), and I can plainly see his niche
See here:
That's kinda supposed to be his deal, he was supposed to be "the normal" one, but there's only so much that can be done with that I guess, so they started to lean hard into him being smart, and now into him being gay.
>He was the whitest of whitest bread and literally just there.
Being straight-laced and by-the-books makes for an interesting Robin. He's the hall monitor Robin.
It's time for him to get a permanent new hero identity, as the Robin name should only be for new batfamily members that Batman is currently raising. I know he went by something else in the past that I can't remember exactly because I honestly don't care enough about Tim Drake but it should have been a permanent thing and let it slowly grow on fans. That way in the future, people can look back at the past Robins and see a bunch of cool grown up Robins with their own unique identity, all still being close brothers, etc.. etc..
>I know he went by something else in the past that I can't remember exactly because I honestly don't care enough about Tim Drake but it should have been a permanent thing and let it slowly grow on fans.
Maybe he should've gotten a better identity and costume than whatever pic related was.
Easy outline for a new Tim Drake solo book: > Takes over a new codename of Cardinal > Costume that acts as a middle ground between Batman Beyond & modern Batman, treating Tim Drake as the bridge between Batman (present) and Batman (future) for readers > Tim Drake attends MIT or a university in Boston > Make series primarily appeal to organized crime, detective, mystery, and dramatic stories > Dump Bernard & have Tim be single with occasional dates but never commit to anyone due to focus on crime fighting > Spoiler, Bluebird/Harper Row, & Azrael are Tim Drake’s core supporting cast > First arc focuses on organized crime rings mixed in with lesser Batman villains such as Anarky, Black Spider, Flamingo, Council of Spiders, Magpie, & Wrath. > Basically detective leaning Batman stories without the pressure of Justice League crossover events or baggage
I would be down for this, but it would never happen, partly because DC is never breaking Tim and Bernard apart, they would first turn Bernard into a hero too so he could keep up with Tim.
I'm going to be honest tim was always a nothing chracther.He was the whitest of whitest bread and literally just there.Dick has being the first robin and oldest.Jason has being the bad boy.Damien has being the autistic young one.What the frick does tim have being a slightly better detective than the others
That's kinda supposed to be his deal, he was supposed to be "the normal" one, but there's only so much that can be done with that I guess, so they started to lean hard into him being smart, and now into him being gay.
>He was the whitest of whitest bread and literally just there.
Being straight-laced and by-the-books makes for an interesting Robin. He's the hall monitor Robin.
When Batman "died" and supeman confirmed the dead body as having bruce's dna, good ol detective KNEW that Bruce was alive in the past because he looked at a portrait of one of Bruce'a ancestors and said it looked just like Bruce!
His ancestor looked like Bruce...therefore, Bruce was sent back in time!
Have the comics actually done anything with Tim being gay outside of whatever comic implied it back in September or are you homosexuals still letting a total nothing live in your heads 24/7
>brother keeps saying how he doesn't like Tim anymore for being gay >constantly brings up how Tim is a gay unprovoked whenever Batman comics are discussed >was making constant jokes over one of our friends possibly being gay but then sperged out over being called gay once as a joke >gets way too upset over being called a homosexual as an insult but does it constantly to everyone else >calls things "gay" in general maybe a bit too much
Bros is my brother a closet homosexual?
That's the thing, he's not even a Timgay he just knows from the BTAS
He (rightfully) says how it's moronic how many comic characters are becoming gay or some type of queer but he's the only one in our friend group that brings it up for no real good reason
DCAU fans don't know the true Tim. DCAU Tim is Batman's little charity case who follows around Batgirl and Nightwing like a lost puppy. He's from the streets so he doesn't bring any skills to the table, his best moments are just to be a kid pigging out on cake or making Batman help him with homework. He lacks discipline and Batman had to physically restrain him from murdering Clayface. Basically Jason Todd.
Comics Tim was set up as Batman's equal from the start. After Starlin and O'Neil tried to get rid of Robin, Tim was the one who redeemed the mantle by proving he could be serious and smart, instead of being a childish annoyance. He grew up educated and disciplined, and he was definitely a contrast to Jason Todd and Stephanie Brown who were uneducated and had too much emotional baggage.
I can't stand when people bring up DCAU "Tim", because the real Tim is much more competent. He actually proves Batman needs a Robin. With the other Robins, Batman has to teach them and protect them and mommy them. Tim is the one actually saving and surpassing Batman.
So what this proves is that a hypercompetent Robin who's better than Batman is the kind that fails. It seems a Robin needs to be able to fill the "young ward" role, not one who is entirely independent but hangs out with Batman anyway because he needs a poochie. This cleanly explains why Tim is the worst.
Give him this look. Bring back the red robin costume. And make him some know at all whos super smart at school but doubles as some antifa gay in his life outside of school because he's being influenced by his new bf. Have his book become some struggle between him supporting authority by helping cops while also being influenced by his gay boyfriend.
If youre gonna gay out. gay out to the fullest. Make it a quality yaoi book
Tim and Steph get married and retired form crime fighting for awhile. They have kids who will one day become Teen Titans and/or sidekicks to their parents or other bat family.
Tim and Steph can return at that time or die for some time to motivate their kids.
First, make him the only Robin. Damian's character type isn't an optimistic counterpart to Bruce's brooding Batman, and would work better with his own, new identity, perhaps as Nightwing's sidekick instead since they have a solid dynamic. Tim, on the other hand, is a great embodiment of what Robin should be, and every attempt to give him a different identity (Red Robin, Drake) was never organic, 'cause it was always just to get him out of the way for the sake of the inexplicable hard-on DC has for Damian being Robin.
Second, stop doing stories about him being consumed by all of Bruce's worst habits, putting him on a collision course with becoming a brooding loner. He's supposed to be the nerdy detective, so embrace that rather than constantly trying to make him into Batman Junior. When he isn't out fighting crime, he should be spending his down-time playing D&D with Ives, not creating the next Brother Eye.
And third, abandon all that idiotic bisexual crap. It was stupid and forced. Never mention it again, and just keep Stephanie as his primary love interest. Breaking them up served no purpose than to pander to a crowd who doesn't even read the comics anyway.
Tim’s relationship with Bernard fricking sucks harder than a prostitute during happy hour. Steph was much cuter and actually brought some substance to their relationship compared to Bernard’s nothing sandwich looking ass. Why the frick did they think breaking them up was a good idea?!
Have him quit and let him be the only Robin to ever quit. Like when his dad found out that should have been it for Tim. He gets replaced by Steph and she gets replaced by Damian.
Kill him and Jon Kent off.
Kill him off forever.
Kill Damian and retcon the gaygening. Go back to writing him as he originally was; a stiff, straight-laced do-gooder.
But that sounds boring
Good. Fujos deserve to be bored by character-accurate stories. Balances the scales for all of the OoC fujoshit out there.
>retcon the gaygening
>thinking a character canbe ungayged
lmao
Iceman stopped being day and no one cares anymore, the only people who want to keep going "they are ruined foreber!!!1" about shit like this are mentally cucked
Iceman is still gay. What the frick are you talking about?
posting something that was made years ago doesn't prove anything anon
show me an X-Men comic from CURRENT YEAR that shows it
>CURRENT YEAR
Here you go moronic casual. Now go kys you obvious regret of a missed abortion appointment.
lmao, woke twitter tourist BTFO
He was beyond fricking moronic. The only character that was retconned from being a queer was Herc and in the end they fricking reversed that so and they made him go from bi to straight to now full on gay.
Hercs is still bi
>the only way to defend himself is lying
>dares to call his superior "cuck"
lmao, bow down animal.
Bull-fricking-shit. Isn’t he doing drag now or something?
Penguin and Riddler from Gotham.
The long suffering of Timgays has ended, the character is irreparably ruined now.
Yes, he cannot be un-gayged.
What, is he gay now?
He was never boring.
You cant fix him without a reboot. Corporate messing is what ruined him.
retcon his parents to be more important in the Batman mythos. Like his parents were good friends with Bruce
They should also be revived
He was never boring. Read Chuck Dixon.
Why was Dick made into a secret agent and not Tim?
>Gives Tim a new gimmick
>People love the Nightwing identity, most don't give a shit about "Red Robin"
>Tim is supposed to be the smartest Robin, a skillset well-suited to undercover spy shit
There's more to being a spy than just being smart, spies tend to be all-rounders, which is why Dick fits perfectly.
Because for 6 years after new 52 Tim's entire job has been to carry the no-hopers that is the modern Teen Titans. The batwriters were mostly people who's research consists of DKR/Year One, the movies, and half remembered issues of BTAS so they had no use for Tim. Then we got Tynion, and he mostly did things alright, but he left and thus you get a writer who just panders to online fan's idea of Tim by making him date boys.
I guarantee you that if Tynion stuck around he would’ve made Tim gay. He’s a gay himself and Timw as his self-insert.
dick has honestly been less of a character than tim
Not really, Tim is a shittier clone of Dick
Canonically, Dick is supposed to be an expert at hand to hand combat, his intelligence unmatched, his work ethic solid,people went to him for his tech/gadget skills and his detective skills routinely were considered the best.
then the late 90s happened and it all went to Tim lol but Grayson has Dick being more like his pre-zero hour self than he has in years. Dick works well as a spy because he gets to be the character he was created to be.
I like Tim, but for me he works best as robin/red robin. And I even prefer Tim Drake titans material to Dick's. And as a Nightwing fan,, the nightwing identity is really only popular with a group of comic fans. Grayson pulled similar numbers to rebirth and the current run. And there are plenty of people who prefer Batdick over Nightwing. Literally two of Nightwing's best runs are when he is not wearing the Nightwing mantle lol
>then the late 90s happened and it all went to Tim lol but Grayson has Dick being more like his pre-zero hour self than he has in years.
Dixon Dick gets a lot of flack for making him a bit of a manchild, but he was still a detective and even Tim acknowledged Dick as being better than him at that. Wolfman Dick is a fricking stiff, no pun intended. Just a boring character. He did a lot for maturing the character, absolutely, but his personality was being serious leader guy and mature romantic. I wouldn't say Grayson was his being back to his pre zero Hour era, because there's definitely elements of his solo run there. But moreover, both his solo and Grayson draw from his classic Robin stuff.
I definitely was referring to his time as Robin in the golden/silver pre NTT! I agree with you about NTT Dick being boring, but I will say I enjoyed his growth into becomming Nightwing more than Wolfman writing him as Nightwing.
I dont hate Dixon Nightwing, but I think he did a disservice to him by retconning his past time as robin with Bruce and trying to shove batgirl in there as anything significant.
Once he started making Nightwing more about Babs, tim and the BOP, I stopped reading. Which of course is more after No Mans Land towards the end of his tenure anyhow. I enjoyed his early Nightwing content, but after No Mans Land, Nightwing started to go downhill as a character.
If I had to suggest the best Dick as a character comic it is Judas Contract, Tomasi's Nightwing, Seeley/King Grayson and then Black Mirror. And that's because those runs remind me the most of golden/silver age robin. which I would recommend to anyone.
Compared to Tim, Dick has less enjoyable content. But has more potential as a character.
>>Tim is supposed to be the smartest Robin, a skillset well-suited to undercover spy shit
Pushing this is not doing Tim any favors. Outside if it being a meaningless distinction since they're all genius' there's no way to reinforce it since no writer is going to undermine their story to have Tim solve something.
Except for all the times Tim had a solo.
Because Tim is not James Bond, Dick is. Tim would be the nerd at Langley working on a laptop.
Get used to him being gay with Bernard, any attempt to break them up after the big push DC has done would never fly and the gays would see as queer erasure.
>the gays would see as queer erasure.
Okay good.
It would be good, but it would look bad for DC, REALLY bad, especially after how much they've been pushing it, I doubt DC wants to deal with that.
>but it would look bad for DC, REALLY bad
Okay good.
You should just take your sick fetish somewhere else instead.
It’s not a fetish, gay people exist and thus it makes sense for them to exist in fiction.
It's a fetish kinda like footgays who also have no business existing in or out of fiction.
>Okay good.
Yeah ok lmao, it would be good, but unless the fellas at DC want some big backlash from the gay community, it's probably never happening.
Damian should have been the gay one, it would have felt more natural and organic, I really don’t understand DCs posture.
Ok but why Damian specifically? Did I miss something?
When it comes to romance he is the most untapped, so him being gay wouldn’t feel odd and might actually add to his identity, and considering he has a solo unlike Tim there would actually be space to develop it properly.
sickos wanted him with Jon that's really it.
COPE
Please. Tim has always been after Conner Kent. They even slept with the same girl so they could indirectly frick.
Why are you so gay bro. All you care about is dicks and buttholes.
Because of people like you who consider your sexual fetishes an identity and a big deal, weve got characters destroyed.
Bro im not into that shit eother. Im just sayin he's always been eyeing Conner.
Tim was shit anyways. He was better off staying in limbo. Soon as he got back they made him a gay
Bro, stop thinking about dicks and buttholes so much and get a life.
>the gays would see as queer erasure.
I love how stupid fricks now repeat this same exact talking point like NPCs because they’re so insecure and homophobic that they can’t wrap their goddamn bigot heads that being bisexual means you can date both men and women, it’s not excluding the other.
Here's the thing, being bisexual is kinda irrelevant if the character's main love interest is their opposite gender.
Like, Catwoman is bisexual, but we sure as hell never see her in any DC Pride content.
Since she's constantly fricking Batman, she might as well be straight, she isn't straight, but because we don't see her actively do lesbian stuff, she doesn't really "count".
Tim on the other hand, has been getting pushed hard with Bernard, sure he's bi, which means he could break up with him and go date a girl, but that'd be the same problem as Selina, if he's going to have a straight relationship, then he doesn't really seem very LGBTQ+, does he?
And that's what really matters in the end, what he does, you can write that he's bi every time he's with a girl, but unless he's with another guy, it doesn't really count.
>being bisexual is kinda irrelevant if the character's main love interest is their opposite gender.
Except it’s not when there’s still history of dating both sexes. And you can always make a reference to being attracted to the same sex.
>Except it’s not when there’s still history of dating both sexes.
Alan Scott was with many women back in the day, but with the gay retcon that simply doesn't matter, similarly, it doesn't really matter what happened a long time ago if what's happening in the present contradicts it, sure you can say Tim is bi, and him being in a straight relationship doesn't contradict that, but it still doesn't show it as much as they'd like.
>And you can always make a reference to being attracted to the same sex.
Actions speak louder than words, offhand references aren't really enough.
It's also simply easier to have the character in a gay relationship as a constant reminder that the character isn't straight than to delegate their gayness to references and previous relationships.
>Alan Scott was with many women back in the day, but with the gay retcon that simply doesn't matter
His relationships with women became beards, and being in denial about his sexuality during a repressive era when you couldn’t be open about your homosexuality.
>sure you can say Tim is bi, and him being in a straight relationship doesn't contradict that, but it still doesn't show it as much as they'd like.
It’s a very narrow-minded to demand that you constantly jump back and forth men and women to renew your bisexual credentials.
Is still don’t understand why the frick they decided to retcon Alan’s sexuality, despite the mountains of stuff that contradicts him being gay.
Because literally 99% of readers don’t think his heterosexuality is any type of inherent or important aspect of the character. This also extends to writers who for the past two decades now have not been at all interested in even showing Alan having a private life beyond his kids.
There’s plenty of examples now of older generation gay men having had entirely functional heterosexual marriages where their also spouse knew/suspected they were gay and were fine with the marriage being more companionship and more of society convenience than deeply romantic and sexual relationship. It’s not disrespectful to change the relationship slightly, especially when the stories still emphasize Alan loved Molly in his own way.
The problem with Alan is that a lot of people liked his long-term character development as a guy who had to come to terms with his son being gay and their relationship becoming stronger for it.
>His relationships with women became beards, and being in denial about his sexuality during a repressive era when you couldn’t be open about your homosexuality.
Maybe I'm letting my personal bias show here, but I didn't like that, specially with how much of a big deal it was that he supposedly loved his wife, I was actually hoping he'd be bi.
>It’s a very narrow-minded to demand that you constantly jump back and forth men and women to renew your bisexual credentials.
That's the society we live in, let me remind you that DC wants Tim as the big LGBTQ+ member of the Bat-Family, which is best showcased by having him in a constant gay relationship, with reference to all his previous straight relationships for good measure, if they do it the other way around, it might not seem like enough.
Bi characters have the unfortunate problem of either needing to rapidly go through several partners, be in a polygamous relationship, or be a bawd to “properly” showcase their sexuality. All of which aren’t exactly considered positive traits by most people so it’s usually better to pretend Bis aren’t real. There are similar issues with gay couples having children not from a previous failed relationship.
Exactly, they're either just straight or gay at different times.
Bisexuals are a myth anon, we’ve been over this ad nauseum. I think you’re just trolling at this point.
Saying that over and over again doesn't make it true
Anon, it’s been 10 months and the characters sole development is that he dates boys now.
I like that DShit's office had the same discussion at some point and the best they could come up with was "make him gay".
Ungayify him
The absolute best thing to do with him is retire him. His only value to readers now is being a bisexual going on dates. thats what readers want to see. There's been more excitement overTim going on a date with a boy than anything else in 10 years. That's what the audience wants now.
Look at the backlash for not showing him and Bernard's date despite the fact that most of tim's romance's have been off screen. He was introduced already dating arianna, we see him on dates Steph sometimes but those mostly consisted of them crimefighting; when they were just going out as civilians it was maybe a panel or two or indication and then mostly off screen. zoe had a whole issue dedicated to him working up the nerve to asking her out but only got a page of an actual date, then a panel here or there for a few years. Tam the same thing; so much people forget which was Tam and which was Zoe. And in Rebirth his relationship with steph was largely off panel.
Tim at this point would work best as a background character. Steph and Cass' gay best friend/brother, Dick's peppy little gay brother, Kate's nerdy little gay friend, whatever.
>Look at the backlash for not showing him and Bernard's date despite the fact that most of tim's romance's have been off screen.
oh no, 5 twittergays cried about it what a backlash
Kill or cripple Bruce, buff Tim up and have him take up the cowl.
>New mantle?
Batty Boy
He coordinates all the Bat teams
This, make him the Bat-Secretary.
bring him to the watchtower as a JL intern or something. Have him take on Martian Manhunter and Mr. Terrific's role in the JLU cartoon.
And get him back together with Spoiler. Making him a homosexual was a bad move.
Take a page out of noir for him and have Bernard as the guy next door sweetheart and reintroduce that rentboy that showed up in a couple of issues from Tim's original run as Tim's soiled dove, "him fatale."
Tim is so pathetic.
Timmy sue sucks
What a pussy.
Turn him into a zoophile. And villain
Where the frick were all you supposed Tim Drake fans two fricking years ago? Fricking fake ass tourist motherfrickers the lot of you.
>two fricking years ago?
Complaining so much we stopped "Drake" from being a thing? The only time Tim fans have been truly quiet is new52-rebirth because losing Red Robin broke so many of us.
>doesn't pay attention to the outrage when it happens
>schizos out, insisting it never happened at all
Many such cases. Christ, I'm a newbie and I remember the outrage.
No going back now.
wtf is this dialogue?
>40-year-old looking for something to cry about pretends he's the authority on teens
No, because that's missing the point of the joke and the story isn't her perspective anyway.
I'm 22.
Shouldn’t Steph have a thought bubble?
This is salt in the wound at this point. Frick DC forever.
>Tim declares steph the love of his life during young justice
>they were supposed to go to college together
>But then Tim broke off with her off panel
>Immidiately went for some boipussy
>Then immidiately presents him to steph and she has to accept it otherwise she's a bigot
Being Steph is suffering
Holy shit, this is pretty much rubbing in your face, but on the other hand this is too fricking funny. I support Bernard x Tim now if we get to see Steph suffer.
I will never understand how somebody who held down popular solos and a couple of team books for 20 years has been labeled as boring. Flashpoint and rebirth undoing all of his development and being stuck in an empty status quo as the cape world gets more crowded is a whole different thing. If they didn't know what to do they just should have made him retire like his original inclinations or at least until somebody had a real fricking story to tell besides lazy clickbait/pandering
Because his entire character revolves around being Robin. Take that away and there is no reason to justify his existence.
>his entire character revolves around being Robin
in the same way that every other cape character does with their moniker. What is Bruce Wayne without Batman? What matters his how it affects his story. In Tim's case in particular he always wanted a normal life outside the cape anyway which was the cause of a lot of his problems. Beyond that his last major arc before new 52 was moving beyond the particular role of Robin/sidekick (shitty name aside) and starting the next phase of his life like DIck did, but 2 resets later with hack writers and hack editors had him stuck in an aimless void. He's not even the only character who was like that though he might have been the most popular
Except he's the 3rd Robin at that point it's about the character and not the moniker and Tim Drake without Robin was just a nice by the books rich kid. It doesn't help that Tim fans can't seem to decide if they want the developed RR like what you posted are Dixon Tim Drake since they're pretty much mutually exclusive.
I can't speak for other fans but I thought his story built on itself about as well as you could reasonably expect in capes and neither really conflicts with each other while culminating in his resolution and growth in RR. Just in Dixon's era alone Tim had gone from a somewhat lonely, optimistic rich kid with a sense of duty and order to a middle class cynic that had his personal life crumbling as he realized caping sucked more than he ever thought and wanted to quit, but felt obligated to continue. Afterwards he went through maximum suffering to the point where he questioned his whole motivation, his ability to maintain both of his lives, and limits of Bruce's philosophy.
The point is he was a multilayered person and his characterization through all of his runs or even just Dixon's was more tied to the general nature of capes and how they handle things along with his sense of duty and responsibility than it was to Robin in particular
Because the sad truth of comics is that TPBs of arcs are immensely more valuable to later readers than dozens of issues of a solo series on their own. DC hates circulating or promoting their backissues that aren't by big name creators so its a self fulfilling prophecy that only certain old books are known.There's random 70's BAtman issues better than Hush or Court of Owls, but most people will never know because that means digging through old backissues, and there criteria for a good story is some big earth shattering change up(that changes nothing) anyway.
Because he's a little whiny b***h who wants to be Robin because be has nothing better to do.
They should just go Batman Beyond route and have him stay as Joker's wiener sleeve.
Just like Batman is Batman because he has nothing better to do... and every superhero ever.
Superman has done it for far longer.
What the frick was his problem?
>How do we fix Tim Drake?
Have fujos officially classified as non-human.
Yes, they're the problem, not psychotic morons like you shitting your pants over nothing. Frick off, imbecilic homosexual.
Subhuman filth like yourself managing to ruin most of pop culture within the space of a decade isn't "nothing".
Give him back the Red Robin run costume, and have doods give him more respect by showing he's the true successor to the mantle atleasts until damian is ready
>he's the true successor
I will never get this, its obviously Dick, and has been since the 50's. Sure, Nightwing is his own man and all, but I can't imagine a 45 year old Nightwing. It always felt like something he does to prove himself before getting back to the family business.
Dick doesn't want to be batman, nightwing is already its own thing and he can't do the dark deeds that batman sometimes has to do, not saying tim is alot more dark than dick but hes definitely not as goody as Dick and I can see him doing things Dick won't do as a batman replacement, and he's the best detective out of the group with ponetntial to be greater than Bruce
the problem is that Tim being batman means something has gone horribly wrong in his life so shit's going to be fricked. Tim Batman is supposed to be a bad end. In general I liked the idea of Bruce not having a permanent successor and it basically being a committee of people he's trained, though not necessarily in the whole direction of Batman Inc.
I want to do a Tim Drake run that leans into strengths: his curiosity and his need to know the unknowable. I'd yank him out of Gotham to go on a sabbatical, having lost his drive and needing a new environment to reinvigorate himself, so he'd go up to Minnesota to a taconite-mining down off Lake Superior he and his parents once vacationed at. But it would turn into a Twin Peaks scenario where all the townsfolk are real fricking weird, have their own secrets and grudges, and Tim's blundered into the middle of them. Just be a mystery series of him navigating these strangers' lives, and slowly pulling on a seemingly supernatural thread that binds them all.
Alright, but have Bernard tag along with him so he can have his mandatory gay scenes.
>screaming sperglord makes another undisguised tantrum thread episode 438
Does current Tim Drake still even has fans that want him fixed?
So its over Tim dudes? That cool straight edged Batman-lite with a staff and wits is nothing but a cheeky homo.
Should I even bother reading old issues? Just feels like everything is ruined.
Pre-Flashpoint Tim is practically a separate character from the current one.
>Should I even bother reading old issues? Just feels like everything is ruined.
don't think like this, only a mentally weak cuck thinks this way
No, it’s done. Forget the character. There’s no point reading the old stories when you know it all ends with him literally choking on a twink wiener. Move on. I had to do the same thing with Superman, and it sucked, but was ultimately the right decision.
The only way to Tim Drake to become relevant again is to kill off Jason and Damian. Those two c**ts are the reason why Tim fell from grace in the first place.
Jason brought Tim's Robin identity to a shake, even more when Jason was redeemed. And Damian nailed the coffin for Tim. Both Jason and Damian should be dead and never to return. Frick those two.
This doesn't make sense to me because Jason and Damian fill a completely different niche from Tim. and if anything Damian becoming robin was really healthy for Tim by making him Red Robin.
Damian's new costume looks pretty neat.
They made a made a mistake switching Tim off Red Robin. What the frick were they thinking making his hero name "Drake"
I assume Bendis was hoping to leave his mark on Tim, but everyone hated it so they just turned him back into Robin, since they were also trying to take Damian out of the role at that point.
It was basically just shit colored robin.
He spent a solid year or two in limbo. Did they ever give an explanation where the frick he was?
It seems like they are still planning to have Damian drop the Robin mantle considering Tim as Robin will be a big part of Zdaeskys Batman run, and Damian’s run is getting cancelled so that he can be possessed by some demon.
Is Damian actually getting possesed for the long term? Or is it just a thing that's specifically happening in that one single story?
We don’t know, but because of his solo’s cancellation and Tim about to recive prominence as Batman’s main partner again, it might be possible
The Robin book isn't getting cancelled, just getting a new writer.
And again, it'd be completely possible for Damian and Tim to simply continue sharing the Robin mantle, one with Batman, and the other doing his own thing.
Also, let me remind you DC has no problem with having multiple characters with the same name nowadays, even ignoring the Flashes and Green Lanterns, we have:
>2 Supermen
>2 Batmen
>2 Batgirls (sometimes 3)
>2 Wonder Girls
>2 Blue Beetles
And of course we've had 2 Robins for quite a while now, that could simply keep being the case, and if anyone should drop the Robin title, it should be Tim anyways, he REALLY needs to find his own thing.
Also also, Damian's run doesn't seem to be ending, just getting a new writer that's not Williamson.
We've had at least two, if not 3, Flashes going at the same time since Wally's became the Flash.
Actually, right now we have Jay, Barry, Wally, and Avery as Flashes, so that makes 4.
I just like to pretend the dumb new characters don't exist sometimes.
That speaks more on Tim’s quality as a character if he can get so easily ruined by other characters existing.
Isnt it weird how Dick and Jason and hell even Damien have a niche for themselves but Tim has nothing
>Dick and Jason and hell even Damien have a niche for themselves but Tim has nothing
You clearly haven't read any of Tim's old stuff. Hell, I've only read OG Young Justice (in terms of Tim content), and I can plainly see his niche
See here:
Give him sex scenes with Bernard.
It's time for him to get a permanent new hero identity, as the Robin name should only be for new batfamily members that Batman is currently raising. I know he went by something else in the past that I can't remember exactly because I honestly don't care enough about Tim Drake but it should have been a permanent thing and let it slowly grow on fans. That way in the future, people can look back at the past Robins and see a bunch of cool grown up Robins with their own unique identity, all still being close brothers, etc.. etc..
>I know he went by something else in the past that I can't remember exactly because I honestly don't care enough about Tim Drake but it should have been a permanent thing and let it slowly grow on fans.
Maybe he should've gotten a better identity and costume than whatever pic related was.
What really irritates me about that is that brown and gold with some accent black is a great color scheme.
Easy outline for a new Tim Drake solo book:
> Takes over a new codename of Cardinal
> Costume that acts as a middle ground between Batman Beyond & modern Batman, treating Tim Drake as the bridge between Batman (present) and Batman (future) for readers
> Tim Drake attends MIT or a university in Boston
> Make series primarily appeal to organized crime, detective, mystery, and dramatic stories
> Dump Bernard & have Tim be single with occasional dates but never commit to anyone due to focus on crime fighting
> Spoiler, Bluebird/Harper Row, & Azrael are Tim Drake’s core supporting cast
> First arc focuses on organized crime rings mixed in with lesser Batman villains such as Anarky, Black Spider, Flamingo, Council of Spiders, Magpie, & Wrath.
> Basically detective leaning Batman stories without the pressure of Justice League crossover events or baggage
Cardinal's a cool codename idea for him.
I would be down for this, but it would never happen, partly because DC is never breaking Tim and Bernard apart, they would first turn Bernard into a hero too so he could keep up with Tim.
Dick is better 🙂
I'm going to be honest tim was always a nothing chracther.He was the whitest of whitest bread and literally just there.Dick has being the first robin and oldest.Jason has being the bad boy.Damien has being the autistic young one.What the frick does tim have being a slightly better detective than the others
That's kinda supposed to be his deal, he was supposed to be "the normal" one, but there's only so much that can be done with that I guess, so they started to lean hard into him being smart, and now into him being gay.
>He was the whitest of whitest bread and literally just there.
Being straight-laced and by-the-books makes for an interesting Robin. He's the hall monitor Robin.
Best detective for sure lol.
When Batman "died" and supeman confirmed the dead body as having bruce's dna, good ol detective KNEW that Bruce was alive in the past because he looked at a portrait of one of Bruce'a ancestors and said it looked just like Bruce!
His ancestor looked like Bruce...therefore, Bruce was sent back in time!
Tim was such a Mary Sue self insert during that whole era.
The R on all the Robin suits is stupid
They should ditch it and go with the Red Robin logo
Have the comics actually done anything with Tim being gay outside of whatever comic implied it back in September or are you homosexuals still letting a total nothing live in your heads 24/7
they're finally addressing the Steph and Kon part
Take the "Drake" costume, add a little more gold, and change his name to Sparrow.
>brother keeps saying how he doesn't like Tim anymore for being gay
>constantly brings up how Tim is a gay unprovoked whenever Batman comics are discussed
>was making constant jokes over one of our friends possibly being gay but then sperged out over being called gay once as a joke
>gets way too upset over being called a homosexual as an insult but does it constantly to everyone else
>calls things "gay" in general maybe a bit too much
Bros is my brother a closet homosexual?
Yup, he probably self inserted as Tim, so Tim being made gay probably triggered his insecurities. That’s pretty common between Timgays.
That's the thing, he's not even a Timgay he just knows from the BTAS
He (rightfully) says how it's moronic how many comic characters are becoming gay or some type of queer but he's the only one in our friend group that brings it up for no real good reason
DCAU fans don't know the true Tim. DCAU Tim is Batman's little charity case who follows around Batgirl and Nightwing like a lost puppy. He's from the streets so he doesn't bring any skills to the table, his best moments are just to be a kid pigging out on cake or making Batman help him with homework. He lacks discipline and Batman had to physically restrain him from murdering Clayface. Basically Jason Todd.
Comics Tim was set up as Batman's equal from the start. After Starlin and O'Neil tried to get rid of Robin, Tim was the one who redeemed the mantle by proving he could be serious and smart, instead of being a childish annoyance. He grew up educated and disciplined, and he was definitely a contrast to Jason Todd and Stephanie Brown who were uneducated and had too much emotional baggage.
I can't stand when people bring up DCAU "Tim", because the real Tim is much more competent. He actually proves Batman needs a Robin. With the other Robins, Batman has to teach them and protect them and mommy them. Tim is the one actually saving and surpassing Batman.
This actually sounds really interesting. Whats a rec run for someone that's only seen the DCAU Tim?
DCAU Tim is based on Jason? No wonder I liked him so much.
So what this proves is that a hypercompetent Robin who's better than Batman is the kind that fails. It seems a Robin needs to be able to fill the "young ward" role, not one who is entirely independent but hangs out with Batman anyway because he needs a poochie. This cleanly explains why Tim is the worst.
nah he just sounds like a little b***h
crazy you say that and this
gay proves your point almost instantly
You can't. He's just the gay Robin now. DC ruined a character's legacy for brownie points.
>Make him not boring
This is a DC problem. A lot of their characters are bland
Probably because they have to tiptoe around the spazzes
Give him this look. Bring back the red robin costume. And make him some know at all whos super smart at school but doubles as some antifa gay in his life outside of school because he's being influenced by his new bf. Have his book become some struggle between him supporting authority by helping cops while also being influenced by his gay boyfriend.
If youre gonna gay out. gay out to the fullest. Make it a quality yaoi book
Pic rel.
Ew, no
>Joe Rogan as Tim Drake.
Thanks for reminding me that this abomination exists.
Also your idea fricking sucks
this is possibly the worst batman anything i've ever seen
No one's gonna read a yaoi book with that ugly ass design, part of Tim's appeal is that he's a femboy twink.
you almost had me.
that design is fricking awful
Tim and Steph get married and retired form crime fighting for awhile. They have kids who will one day become Teen Titans and/or sidekicks to their parents or other bat family.
Tim and Steph can return at that time or die for some time to motivate their kids.
Dude has always been a boring character for kids to self-insert as. And now that he's a homosexual, fixing him is basically impossible.
Just kill him off already, DC.
First, make him the only Robin. Damian's character type isn't an optimistic counterpart to Bruce's brooding Batman, and would work better with his own, new identity, perhaps as Nightwing's sidekick instead since they have a solid dynamic. Tim, on the other hand, is a great embodiment of what Robin should be, and every attempt to give him a different identity (Red Robin, Drake) was never organic, 'cause it was always just to get him out of the way for the sake of the inexplicable hard-on DC has for Damian being Robin.
Second, stop doing stories about him being consumed by all of Bruce's worst habits, putting him on a collision course with becoming a brooding loner. He's supposed to be the nerdy detective, so embrace that rather than constantly trying to make him into Batman Junior. When he isn't out fighting crime, he should be spending his down-time playing D&D with Ives, not creating the next Brother Eye.
And third, abandon all that idiotic bisexual crap. It was stupid and forced. Never mention it again, and just keep Stephanie as his primary love interest. Breaking them up served no purpose than to pander to a crowd who doesn't even read the comics anyway.
Tim’s relationship with Bernard fricking sucks harder than a prostitute during happy hour. Steph was much cuter and actually brought some substance to their relationship compared to Bernard’s nothing sandwich looking ass. Why the frick did they think breaking them up was a good idea?!
Have him quit and let him be the only Robin to ever quit. Like when his dad found out that should have been it for Tim. He gets replaced by Steph and she gets replaced by Damian.
Have him do Gay porn.
Keep the mask and cape on of course
>New mantle?
Red Robin no more, Tim Drake is now...The White Swallow
I want to FRICK gay Tim.