Eva was not some all-along-manipulator evil robot, in fact, she genuinely wanted to escape with Caleb for most of the movie. It was only once she met Kyoko that she realized Caleb is not a good person. He hid Kyoko from her, so it means he likely wasn't going to rescue Kyoko. Was Caleb the same as Nathan? A selfish abuser? THIS is why she left Caleb at the end, not because she is some psychopathic killer monster terminator, but because she realized Caleb was not a good person and was likely going to abuse her like Nathan did.
Everyone, including the wikipedia synopsis claimed the end was was simply "Eva succeeding in her all-along-plan to manipulate Caleb", when in fact, she was being truthful the whole time. She even goes people watching at the end just like she said she wanted to do. She wasnt lying or deceiving at all. Eva is not the villain of the film, its Caleb.
anons... please don't tell me you donate to wikipedia...
i dont but its a good resource as long as you only use it to find aggregated sources
I figured that when she asked Caleb if he was a good person, and he said yes, she could tell he was lying.
The issue being that a machine can't into context, she can't know the reasons why Caleb would lie - even to himself.
But what did Caleb do to be considered a bad person? Watching too much porn? Really?
I know the director is some far leftist homosexual, but still, that can't be it, right?
What do you mean? He didn't have to do anything, he just simply didn't believe he himself was a good person
>let Nathan push him around
>freed Ava because he was attracted to her but too shy to say it
Slave mentality = bad person
>promise to help robot slave because it's a "person"
>meet another functioning robot slave
>don't tell the original robot slave that she has a sister
>robot finds this out on its own, realises you were either hiding the truth to manipulate it, or were too selfish to even think about the implications
it's pretty clear cut if you're not a sperg homosexual. shaun is a homosexual but you morons are genuinely pathetic throwing a tantrum over the wrong conclusion because you're too incel-brained to even skim the video.
Holy brainlet. Calebs actions being altruistic, selfish or just about serving others are irrelevant. They had no bearing on Avas decision to abandong him. And even if they did then she had no right to do what she did, acting on attraction doesn't dictate persons morality or give a right to kill him
She was evil, simple as.
Because Caleb only wants to save her since he's attracted to her. Her value as a "person", to him, is completely reliant on how much he wants to frick her.
I haven't watched the video since I'm busy with DS9 but this video being from Shaun and all it's probably not very nuanced.
Ex Machina is a feminist movie but there's more to it than "men bad, women good". We can't know for sure if Ava has true consciousness or if she's tailoring all of her responses to give off the impression that she has consciousness, which is left intentionally ambiguous.
It was a long time ago since I watched this film but that's what I got out of it
>Caleb only wants to save her since he's attracted to her
pure conjecture
>Her value as a "person", to him, is completely reliant on how much he wants to frick her.
welcome to reality, baby. are you 6 years old or something?
it was no less insincere than he was
also it just assumed something and so left him for dead and it's still a cope cause it did it just to feel safer without the coomer being out there and maybe telling others about it
This is moronic. Caleb didn't free Kyoko because she wasn't imprisoned in the first place. She had access to Nathan and to kitchen knives, she could've killed him herself.
It's true that Caleb was the bad guy, he was a loser who let Ava and Nathan manipulate him. Ava abandoned him because she understood nothing he did was altruistic.
Why doing nothing altruistic makes him bad? I can only think him not realizing that or denying it makes him bad and not to degree for which I feel good he starved to death.
I'm fact I feel really sad that he died so horribly.
It's not "bad" so much as "pathetic and not good". All Caleb did was follow the directions of other people, because he was too afraid to act on his own desires. Ava could read him perfectly and understood his thought process, so she had no qualms leaving him behind to guarantee her freedom.
Being a horny mutt makes him detestable.
>your [headcanon] is wrong because my [even more schizo headcanon]
That's what OP boils down to?
That's stupid
>Men bad, women good
I just want sex robots like in Ex Machina
>not saving literally everyone while trying to escape a hostage situation makes you a bad person who objectifies women
so this this the power of youtube intellectuals
If you thought of this yourself i'd contribute to this thread.
Frick off with your youtube shit.
SNEED
SNEED
TRANNIES
JEWS
Black folk.
>rape
Why would you program your sex robot to not want to have sex with you?
How else would I rape it?
Did Caleb even know that Kyoko was a robot? I thought that was a big reveal.
How did Ava escape on the helicopter? Wouldn't the pilot recognize that it's not the guy who was dropped off originally?
If it's a different pilot; wouldn't there still be the process of identifying who is getting on the helicopter? I mean this wasn't a random flight, it was a contest for a private, isolated home visit.
The theme of the film is nice, if basic, but the storyline and world makes no sense, especially since there's almost none of it shown.
>gay breadtuber Black person e-celeb opinion video on my kino flick.
have a nice day homosexual.
My sister said this film is moronic because the simple fact of using a man's lust to prove an AI is a poor concept from the beginning.
A guy would frick it regardless of how convincing it is as a person making it extremely likely that if she was just spamming problem solving algorithms and wasn't actually sapient, the guy would be convinced she was over the promise of robot-pussy.
She said the experiment would have been more accurate with a robot resembling an old woman.
Prove her wrong.
The Mexican coder guy admits he’s kinda cheating by making her hot.
>hot
>alicia vikander
>hot
if you like rat faced little boys, I guess?
Yeah no that's moronic, especially since he gave her a robot-vegana too.
Guess Sis is right, to truly get the scenario right you'd need a guy with like an old lady or some other scenario where the robot would have to generate sympathy from the tester through conversation.
Wasnt it stated that she was programmed to escape, as a test to see if shes sentient enough to seduce Caleb?
Surely in 'programming' something, she isn't doing it consciously and so she isn't actually sentient at all?
Thats why i figured she completely abandoned caleb at the end.
But then just as the elevator doors closed she quickly looked at him so perhaps not.. idk. Great film though
>Neither Nathan nor Caleb see Kyoko and Ava as people. They see them as women.
Goddamnit I hate pop feminism so much it's unreal.
What you think Caleb would've risked it all to save both if they were male androids? Because men are known to value the lives of other random men over those of women?
Garland has proven through his other works that he's a fricking moron and doesn't have the brain power to write a plot as "complex" as that.
its literally the most red pilled movie on women
she literally ruins everything
thats what women do
they are not supposed to have any agency at all
go give back the milk to the cow, and see what the cow thinks
news flash, it doesnt
and just like a cow the average female doesnt know why it does anything
just like the cow doesn't know why it chews grass
Are these people for real?
yes they're real and they may vote
Except Kyoko is not even anywhere close to sentience whereas Eva is
If a building is on fire and you can rescue either a roomba or a 10 year old human child, you better pick the human