How many powers will this dude pull out of his ass? Camouflage? Energy-manipulation? Time-travel? Are the writers really that desperate to have him outshine Peter? What's the cause?
How many powers will this dude pull out of his ass? Camouflage? Energy-manipulation? Time-travel? Are the writers really that desperate to have him outshine Peter? What's the cause?
Stealing from Peter isn't enough, now he has to steal from The Flash's speed force construct.
I'm sorry what did he "steal" from Peter again?
Powers, costume, name and girlfriend?
Rogues. Supporting Cast. Clones. Enigma Force.
Web-shooters, secret identity, supporting cast, rogues gallery, and then he ditched the universe because he couldn't keep up sales.
But the worst part was 616 Peter saying "oh, you want to take on my insane rogues, small child? Sure, go ahead, you have my thumb-up buddy!"
Pete wouldn't want anyone to take up the mantle. It's not a blessed mantle, it's a fucking curse.
Kaine could handle it. So could Ben.
At least 616 isn't as fucked as Ultimate so he can at least have other teens as back-up.
But Miles got isekai'd specifically because he wanted to learn how to Spider-Man from 616 Peter.
>Pete wouldn't want anyone to take up the mantle. It's not a blessed mantle, it's a fucking curse.
Peter got over viewing being Spider-Man as a curse, he does this shit because wants to. Even somewhat early on he's quit only to go back to it because his civilian life was going fine and he got fucking bored.
When was the last time Peter got an upgrade? Don't recall him ever getting one, so power-wise the character is pretty static, or at least have been for several decades.
Peter’s upgrades are almost always tech based suit improvements that only stick around temporarily.
That or mutation fluxs of the spider-dna, like the multiple arms or organic webbing.
I feel like Spider Sense got a retcon upgraded from just having the awareness and intuition of a spider to being full on precognition at some point.
it wasn't even awarness of a spider at first, it was just super reflexes his powers weren't really spider themed until a few issues in , his costume and web shooters made him spider man
If anything it's been downgraded.
Early spidey sense could do all kinds of shit.
Alert Peter to trouble blocks away, let him pick people out of a crowd or find what he's looking for in a room, or even pick up certain transmitted frequencies
Remember Peter's shaped web constructs from his early days?
Remember how he can FLY, or at least glide thanks to the webbing under his arms? (And that is probably a reason most artists omit it.)
I don't remember any flying
But I do remember constructs, which includes many web parachutes
Spider-man's armpid webs don't help him glide. (Though he did make larger web-construct wings which did make him glide a few time early on.)
Ditko originally included the webs as a decorate element, but they do serve a canonical function on the costume -- they provide wind resistance. They slow Peter down as he swings and, if he's in freefall between shooting webs -- limits how fast he accelerates towards the ground. (As well as providing an aerobrake when he jumps from a rooftop to the sidewalk.)
The function of the webs doesn't come up often in stories because they're not super-memorable. If you want a canon reason for why most modern artists ditch them... as Peter has become older he's just gotten so experienced as Spider-man he now feels comfortable operating at full-speed without an aerobrake.
>CAPTCHA: KKK SK
>but they do serve a canonical function on the costume -- they provide wind resistance. They slow Peter down as he swings and, if he's in freefall between shooting webs -- limits how fast he accelerates towards the ground. (As well as providing an aerobrake when he jumps from a rooftop to the sidewalk.)
When was it said?
He got stingers in The Other as well as a bunch of other power ups but you know editorial and their muh status quo, so theyve been pretending they dont exist for years now
Peter Parker 616 is not the Other anymore
Fucker wasn't even the chosen anymore, apparently.
Peter Parker, despite having the whole "The Other" choice put on him, because constantly seen as The Chosen, and helping save the Web of Life/Multiverse at least twice was apparently a rando this entire time.
Nah, he is back to being the Champion of the Web of Life and Destiny though Kaine isn't the Other anymore, he lost it in the original Spider-Verse event.
The Other right now is Mayday's dad but he's stuck in Spider Monster form.
I have some unfortunate news for you.
>Queen of the spiders.
Doesn't change Petes roles of the Champion but yes, that does put a damper on things.
Man the Spider-Verse was a massive mistake, letting Slott write Spidey was a bad move.
Unless "The Champion" was always intended to be some lesser title and not explicitly "The Chosen One", he got shafted pretty hard.
He protects and saves people all the time, his job is literally to protect the web and as Nait says, everyone is the web.
Chosen or not, he is the champ.
Though this is just a way to try and get Pete away from magical spider-stuff because a lot of people weren't happy with the whole Simms thing or magic spider stuff on a science hero.
Retcon incoming on next spider-verse event unless they really want Pete to begone entirely.
On another note, did they retcon JJJ knowing Pete is Spidey? I've got a decent amount of catching up to do with current comics.
The spider-totem spiderverse shit has always been trash, from day one. Its just impressive that spidervserse 2 managed to be even more nonsense than spiderverse 1.
Eternal reminder that an interdimensional Spider-Corps was treated as a joke before Disney instructed Marvel to do a comic that would allow them to acknowledge and subsequently tighten copyright on every version of Spider-Man that exists out there.
Which is worse outside of the excessive pushing, Slott's fetish Spider-character, or Bendis' fetish Spider-character?
What is even excessive in this context? These are characters they can DO something with, without getting corporate approval from on high, without worrying about their IP value to multiple corporations.
Miles at least had a purpose in 1610 as the new Spdier-Man post-Peter but even that wore thin quick. At least there he had some okay things, I'll still remember Spider-Men fondly.
Silk, despite neat as a concept, is the incarnation of Slott's yellow fever and is frustratingly utilised is retarded ways. She's even become the designated multi-verse Spidey.
>Silk, despite neat as a concept, is the incarnation of Slott's yellow fever
Go boohoo at all the Cassandra Cain stans why don't you?
Cassandra Cain had character.
...then they ruined her.
>Go boohoo at all the Cassandra Cain stans why don't you?
I don't want to upset them, they've been through enough!
Did they ever even say what would happen if she and Pete fucked? They original got mad horny around each other, but there was always this under-current of "But if we do ____ will happen, so we can't!".
Only Slott knew but that vanished after Spider-Verse stuff and Pete's attempts to keep that going were met with Cindy blowing him off and basically ignoring him for ages.
Its one of those "not relevent anymore" and was pretty blatantly Slott just being horny.
Agreed, the role is best with Kaine but for whatever reason Marvel really don't want him around.
He's a pretty good redemption story too so why he can't stick around as The Other is baffaling.
Can't have THREE cool, marketable Spider-Men wondering around. That would be too complicated. Now please buy all this merch of 10000 variants of Spider-Man.
>neat as a concept
Silk's concept is absolutely Moffat-tier.
>muh secret Spider-woman who the actual canon characters were hiding all along
She's as bad as Spider-Boy.
I wonder if giving the Other to Mayday's Peter was a plan to launch an ongoing or mini series for her, or just a way to shuffle it out of 616.
Worked fine for Kaine, should have just let him keep it.
At least we have Venom, which confirmed Peter Parker was the destined successor to Knull as the Anti-Beyonder, the King in Black. Eddie just got it for reasons.
So the biggest yandere is comics was after Peter to make him some kind of ultra satan?
No, Knull was just a bad apple, the position itself is good, like a beyonder but out there in the universe. Kind of, it was really just a single line and Eddie’s been too busy to show what a good king does.
Probably was given to Eddie because frankly, Eddie Brock is too stupid to know the full capacity of what he'd be capable of in that position. A King in Black Peter Parker would probably be considered a cosmic threat considering he'd actually have a clue how to more effectively police the universe.
Doesn't Kane have them now?
currently an old man peter parker from a Spider-girls universe is The Other. He is still full Spider form as of the last spider-verse comic event iirc.
>"What if Spider-man could snikt bub?"
house of ideas indeed
Peter has gotten new powers but they’ve always been temporary and always had an explanation. You cannot say the same for Miles as this is at least the fifth time he’s pulled this shit
Dspite the magic shit that is also included with Spider-heroing Pete's upgrades ususally come as gadgets or tech inside the suit.
Miles is smart but he isn't anywhere near as smart as Pete, so Miles gets new powers to add to his OP ones while Peter either uses his or other people's tech to win out.
When he doesn't he just stops holding back and suddenly people stop talking shit.
he got the power to make silk horny as fuck by just being next to her, that was way too powerful so he'll never get another upgrade
This is some power rangers shit.
>Superhero shit looks like superhero shit
The whole show is an embarrassment.
Congrats, you just cracked superhero c-slop for netflix.
How dare you, Super Sentai is cool.
Ignoring the fact that it was used as a pejorative, you have to admit that the CW DC shows are probably the closest to american toku that exists. Its not identical, but it fills the same niche.
I was actually okay with this... Until the other two move as if they are taking lightsabers out of their pockets and turning them on.
Looks like borderline parody.
ahahaha HOLY fucking SHIT that ending got me
Well, me and Zoom
We looked at each other
AND WE EACH SAID
I thought his electric powers were a stretch of the way spider webs are statically charged to cling to prey, and how spiders can sense electromagnetic disturbances, which Spider-Sence is already based on.
This feels like it's really leaving that realm where I can buy it as a stretch.
They don't even seem to just be projected electricity, they seem to actually physically exist. But that doesn't even seem practical. Directing a bolt of electricity would logically reach it's target before a thrown solid sword would.
>I thought his electric powers were a stretch of the way spider webs are statically charged to cling to prey, and how spiders can sense electromagnetic disturbances, which Spider-Sence is already based on.
Considering they call it a "Venom Blast," I assumed it was very tortured, stretched idea of "spider bites can sting and hurt, kind of like getting a shock."
>he doesn't know spider bites inject you with mini electro swords
Misaka Mikoto can make electric swords by attracting iron dust from ground, but comic book writers are like
>he's getting electric swords because he can okay?????? don't question our new pet Black
The only western property that had any semblance of a good magic system was Avatar: the Last Airbender. I literally can't think of anything else.
>Has electric powers
>Has electric powers
It sucks cause electric powers can be super cool, but it really is a bit of a bizarre situation now. The only white guy with electric powers I can think of off the top of my head is fucking Thor, and he's ancient in comicbook terms. I assume there's some other X-Man with some, and probably a handful of asian heroes (one of the many X-kid teams had one I think?), but even then fucking Storm is right there. Even if she has other weather powers, she's very commonly shown shooting lightning around.
I mean, they also made him black recently (I assume he's probably still white in the comics). Also incredibly ancient, though. Still, fair enough.
He’s only ever been black in TASM and subsequently Far From Home. He’s still white in the PS4 game for example
uhhhhh miles bros why didnt they say “Spider-Man recently unlocked…”????
Holy fuck I just noticed this.
Kek, like it's a fucking video game skill tree or some shit.
Really, all the variants of Spiderman should have something that makes them special, that includes Peter. Camouflage I get, but how on Earth does electricity relate to spiders? Then again, how does 'Spider Sense'?
spider sense is in reference i think to how spiders become aware of things on there webs and/or to them having a lot of eyes (the eyes are also the reason it can be difficult to swat a fly)
They should just say he was bitten by an electric charged radioactive spider
in spiderverse this is basically what happens
Then the trick is to stack as many Condition Status Effects on a spider before siccing it on your wrist?
this gives me an idea, has there ever been a Peter that captured the spider instead of being bit by it and figured out how to reproduce its power? What about one where he can switch Ben-10 style between different types of spiders and gain their unique attributes?
>all the variants of Spiderman
And THAT'S where the problem lies.
What makes them special should be their personality and stories, not their dumb extra powers
How many times will they have to hotshot stunts for publicity boosts before they realise that no one is ever going to buy cucks cuckrales mags??? They just keep doubling down.
What the FUCK have I missed in Spider-Man? First symbiotes are Knull's creation, then they're Beyonder-tier, now they can shoot the things they're supposed to be harmed by?
>First symbiotes are Knull's creation
Probably the worst recton in recent memory.
>now they can shoot the things they're supposed to be harmed by?
Miles' venom blast have nothing to do with symbiotes
Bendis started this shit anyway
That shit looks straight from Tails Gete Trolled. You know, these strings Coyote and co. use to manipulate the dead
TGT had better power-granting than Miles' run.
man thats fucking retarded
All this Spiderverse nonsense just makes Pete look weak. Every single other spider person has the base spider powers that Pete has, but a bunch of other stuff too. But he never gets upgrades, so side by side with the other characters he just looks like a retard who only has the starter kit.
I think it's really the opposite problem: they're desperately trying to make everyone besides Peter seem more powerful because they honestly just can't make them more appealing. They've joked about it a few times in the various multiverse crossovers to try and undercut the idea, but the simple truth will always be that Peter Parker is Spider-Man and everyone else is a spin-off of him.
Peter might seem like the stater kit, but that also means he always feels like the original. The real deal. Everyone else is just him with a gimmick, and while that maye have an appeal, it also means Peter is always the more real of them. He can always stand on his own, but everyone else is just going to be "Peter but with thing."
>to be Spiderman Peter needs the starter kit
>to be Spiderman, everyone else needs the starter kit, the upgrade DLC, the special limited edition skins DLC, the XP booster DLC, the cross-genre weapons DLC...
Peter is pure skill, everyone else is pay-to-win.
>>to be Spiderman, everyone else needs the starter kit, the upgrade DLC, the special limited edition skins DLC, the XP booster DLC, the cross-genre weapons DLC...
I don't have the pic anymore because my old pc crashed and I haven't taken out the HD yet, but:
What If YOU were Spider-man?
You'd be dead, you're no super-hero.
Or the "what if Flash/Betty Brant/JJ's son were Spider-man" issue where it always comes back to Peter because no one else has the combination of brains (web shooters), mettle (Betty couldn't hack it) or... well I forgot what went wrong for JJ's son honestly.
>What If YOU were Spider-man?
>You'd be dead, you're no super-hero.
Was i also bitten by the radioactive spider? Because if so, then while I might not be spiderman I'd still be superhero material.
The thing is that while the web shooters are certainly Spiderman's iconic gear, the powers given by the spider bite alone are more than enough to make someone a high tier hero. The superhuman physique is a hell of an upgrade on its own, and with spidey-sense even an unskilled nobody suddenly has extremely high tier combat awareness. The ability to climb walls is a neat tactical advantage but it doesn't actually have to come up that much, just spiderman's strength and senses would let any rando waltz into the middle of most fights buck naked and do extremely well. Gear on top of that makes your life easier, but unless you are fighting other superhumans its hardly required.
"WEAK, AM I?!?"
I don't have words for how retarded this is.
Picking up an energy sword weapon is one thing, but pulling one out of your ass is another.
pulling it out of his ass like a web would be spider-related at least
Wasn’t that a shitty movie he was in during house of m?
Everyone ridiculed the fuck out of CW Flash for doing this exact same thing, but I guess when Black-man does it, that's okay.
....you havent been on /toon/ for the last few weeks have you? this has been brought up in the damn near daily miles morales hate threads.
There's your problem. I'm not just talking about this cesspit. Go read comments under any Godspeed fight video, even normalfags were mocking that scene.
even so, people have still been bitching about miles and his powers.
He also has access to a time machine
They're treating him like a fucking DC character and cramming as much shit in there as possible to try and win people over. The Spider-Man timeline needs to be fucking reverted back to 1992, I can't take any more of this shit.
This shitter has been around for just over 10 years and already has a Superman tier amount of different superpowers that be possesses. I’m so fucking sick of this cuck and i’m sick of editorial pushing him
>New Spider-Man powers
But no other Spider-Man has those powers. Just change his name to Spider-Shock or something already.
Honestly (and this has been a problem for fucking years). its because no one at Marvel knows shit about spiders. There have always been the rumours that Peter Parker was originally suppose to be a revamp for Pep Comic's The Fly (since, aside from maybe super-strength, all of Peter's powers are more things people associate with flies: speed, danger sense, and sticking to walls), but that's besides the point.
Every time they've tried to give Peter or any other Spider-person powers, they're only tangentially related to spiders. Which is a shame, because spiders have tons of cool shit that they can do. I get that they don't want Spider-Man to be able to envenom someone with a bite and suck out their juices, but why isn't that something Venom can do?
Miles can have camouflage powers, but his "venom blast" ought to be an actual organic web, or tiny hairs/spikes that he can launch from his hands. OR, they could just say that Miles is a mutant who got spider powers from the bite, too.
2099 Spidey can do the bite, did it to a supposed deity at one point too.
>new OP power for miles that peter doesnt have
>why not set it up where spiderman can cling to walls due to being able to control static electricity
>miles has the ability to control it better than peter so he can do a static shock blast move
>but it would nerf his wall clinging and energy reserves for a bit
Nobody's going to remember this "upgrade" in a month. Miles is an industry plant who's only good when he has Hollywood writers and the best animators in the industry giving him a story. He has zero definitive runs like your average short lived 90s character only created to sell an issue #1.
Nobody at marvel knows what to do with him other than bait headlines and they know it. They'll just default to the Spider-verse version given enough time and that version can't pull a sword out of his ass.
>Nobody at marvel knows what to do with him other than bait headlines and they know it.
Is this not true for every character? Its not like Peter Parker is getting treated any better these days.
I can think of one solution, but it's not the kind Marvel would like. If all you have is idiots who don't know what they're doing, then kick them out and find someone who does.
Of course that would require the editorial to follow as well.
This isn’t even anything new. He was literally making web constructs out of his Venom Blast at the end of Bendis’ run. This is just applying the same thing to a different shape
Does Miles even know how to swing a sword? There's more to it than just pretending it is a bat or stabbing with it, probably a ton done differently for someone with spider reflexes or stinging. But we all know he won't train with it, just like Spider-fu went away too. This is just variant covers but variant powers each month.
tl;dr Miles Morales is the Jean-Paul Valley Batman of Marvel
At least Jean had some writers who came to his rescue and did more with Azrael instead of keeping him 90s Edgeman.
Marvel hasn't even let a black and/or latino writer tackle Miles; the one big thing they could do to add depth to his character. People liked Robbie Reyes because an Hispanic dude created him and actually mad that part of who he was instead of being a token.
That and Robbie has a fucking sweet ride.
He was one of the legacy characters I was actually excited for continuing post-Secret Wars but all they did was stick him with the Avengers and make him race Johnny Blaze.
>Miles Morales is like Jean-Paul Valley Batman, but worse
Jean-Paul Valley at least has his own villains and his own thing
Can you tell me a Miles own supervillain? Even Daredevil had bullseye and Wasp the 60s jobbers
>Can you tell me a Miles own supervillain?
He has two all of his own but I'll be honest and say I can't remember their names at all.
Plastic Man has been around since antiquity and I can't name two of his. Can you?
Because it was more like looney tunes than normal capeshit.
And after he came back, he was more a Justice League member
Ok Metal Men then. I've got Chemo and then nothing.
Still, using D lister like Metal Men and Plastic Man when Miles should be at least B list is sad
Or for a more close approximation, name a couple of Steel villains.
Steel has been around for THIRTY YEARS.
Also, Arthur Villain.
Idk, Steel ongoing was more fun than the last 2 miles ongoing.
>Can you tell me a Miles own supervillain?
Replacement Theory Chuds.
The Frost Pharaoh.
white people are Miles' villains
Well you know, there was the Miles clone..and uh..the other two Miles clones who were his lackeys. Oh and the alternate universe evil Miles clone. And..uh...
Why do you guys like to talk about Miles so much when you don't even read his stories? He just fought Rabble like two issues ago, and the majority of he previous run he had to deal with Accessor and Ultimatum (and the clones). There's also Frost Pharaoh but he's a joke villain so it's up in the air on if he actually counts.
>another black hero with electric powers
In comics, characters will get "power ups" in lieu of actual characterization or character development. New costumes or powers instead of growth.
It's happened to all if not most of them.
Now, when you read comics and you know the potential the Spider-Man powers have and then hear someone is adding even more abilities, not just boosting them, it sounds absurd.
Miles is better than Peter in every way. Keep crying, racist white boys.
God damn it, Miles does not MANIPULATE electricity. Venom blast is one specific electricity PROJECTION ability. He's not fucking static shock.
>moron is uninteresting, boss
>>But He gets woke articles and tweets, isn't it?
>not about his character but the idea of representation. one really talk about him.
>>then give him new powers to make readers talk about it!
Two people in room probably
What's with the racism?
Hawkman has been tooling around for over 80 years, and you'd be hard pressed to name a villain that isn't borrowed from someone else's book.
Spidey has an overabundance of rogues to the point of redundancy, he can spare a few to Miles.
>And you'd be hard pressed to name a villain that isn't borrowed from someone else's book
You know that Gentleman Ghost appear first in a Hawkman story?
Nearly everyone on the planet who remembers Gentleman Ghost remembers him from Brave and Bold Cartoon. How many times did Hawkman even fight GG?
A lot of villains start in weird titles.
>remembers him from Brave and Bold Cartoon. How many times did Hawkman even fight GG
Not my problem, Batman love to stealth villains to every hero, there was even a white rabbit in the Steel and now is more known the Batman's white rabbit
You were comparing D lister rogue gallery with Miles and the moment you used a B list , it already had a memorable villain which it said a lot about miles.
I'm making it your problem
FF14 also had a memorable villains unlike Miles
Damn straight. If comics were written as well as FF14, they would be in a very different state.
I used a B-lister who's almost as old as comic books, and he has one fucking sorta memorable villain.
He also had Monocle.
The point was about talking about Miles own villain , and the comparation was with Marvel others heroes that actually had villains, seething about DC is weird
Oh man, how did I forget the "classic" Monocle?
1. no one is seething
2. comparisons to Marvel characters in circulation for 50 years longer than Miles is not particularly fair?
Where are Reyes Ghost Rider's well known original villains? There are a lot of relatively new heroes fighting classic villains.
Anon... Miles has like 250 issues while Reyes less than 20.
And before you yell about Kamala, the problem about Kamala rogue gallery was also a big discussion in the peak of her popularity
Anon...no one's bitter complaints about Miles have anything to do with his thin rogue's gallery.
Let's be serious.
was an easy question but instead telling some villain that you like or ignore the thread devolve an using 50s or 60s forgotten characters(and hawkman) that even has the same or less issues with all their volume combined than Miles.
Bucky should has stayed dead
>2. comparisons to Marvel characters in circulation for 50 years longer than Miles is not particularly fair?
Counterpoint, you limp-wristed-vernacularing gay, NONE of the heroes you listed were meant to be the successor to their publisher's most popular hero with another movie dedicated to him in the works. The focus is on Miles; they should have put SOME thought into him.
Gentleman Ghost is a Hawkman villain, and everyone borrows Gentleman Ghost.
Winter Soldier/Bucky is one of many legacy heroes who primarily fights Captain America villains.
Is Miles a Poochie?
It's the 80s again
Jesus, he really is a Donut Steel character.