It did. What else are those two going to do in that little cottage by the sea
You people are sick but realistic. If this is based on the time period when pirates were alive, then it probably would happen IRL. But this is a cartoon and he is her FATHER FIGURE, not her FUTURE HUSBAND.
>How the frick did they drop the ball this hard after that opening 45 minutes?
The plot started. The movie was a continuous string of beautiful setup and worldbuilding and likeable characters and then nonstop absolute nonsense and some of the absolute worst narrative and worldbuilding I've ever seen outside of axed manga culminating in a hilariously nonsensical everybody does the right thing ending (as long as you don't think about it too hard).
I'm like 95% certain there were multiple dropped subplots. The witch never god damn comes up again and the captain's journal of beast hunts was probably supposed to reveal the humans started shit.
Let's see >Establish throughout the film seabeasts prey upon civilian vessels, making all attempts to eradicate any recognized beast documented to prey on human vessels 100% justified >Establish seabeasts aren't hunted for meat or oil or trophies since kills are confirmed by even small pieces, so if they were peaceful there would be LITERALLY NO MOTIVE for the fricking hunts beyond propaganda, which if you're inventing destroyed villages whole cloth wouldn't even require hunts >villainize the current royal family who didn't even necessarily fricking know anything about what the first generation was up to >Red's a good girl+seabeasts would never come to land to attack->Red flies into a bloodrage and attacks a brand new class of ship she's literally never seen before and which has never hunted seabeasts before from land the second she sees it because it was flying the flag of the local kingdom, something presumably literally all local ships and many local coastal settlements would be flying >the amazing completely irrelevant witch curse >That beast killed Jacob. Damn the customs. I'll kill it.->Jacob betrayed the customs. Damn him. I'll kill him. >These seabeasts are so harmless that WE MUST NEVER VENTURE INTO THEIR OCEAN EVER AGAIN! WE CANNOT COEXIST!!!
Honestly it's impressive that they managed to frick up a plot this many different ways but relegate it all to just the back half the film. Maybe the witch's curse was that the rest of the film would be shit.
>Establish throughout the film seabeasts prey upon civilian vessels, making all attempts to eradicate any recognized beast documented to prey on human vessels 100% justified
then try to pull a humans are the real bastards plot*
Was it too hard to just outright include oil or tusks as a plot element? Couldn't have Jacob be the blameless hero if he stripped his victims for parts?
>villainize the current royal family who didn't even necessarily fricking know anything about what the first generation was up to
This one’s amazing because it’s either
a) The story blames the King and Queen for being duped by the same story that LITERALLY every character in the story also fell for
or b) They were in on the plan to trick the hunters into needlessly hunting sea beasts, and yet still wanted to upset that scheme by replacing them with the Royal Navy.
Neither on of those situations makes any sense
From the extra material released to explain the plot, I think it goes something like this: >Some sea monsters are man-eaters (i.e. the giant crab), but most are not and only fight if attacked (Red Bluster) >Early hunters who went after the man-eaters were seen as heroes >Royals exploited this by talking up how dangerous the monsters were and paid hunters to go and kill more, whilst claiming that monsters wipe out entire coastal villages. >More and more people look to the nation for 'protection' from monsters >Nation expands, getting more land, wealth and power >But all this rests on a fleet of free-lance monsters hunters - which the Royals pay bounties to, but do not control >(ill-considered) plan is to replace hunters with actual royal navy >Royals too dumb/impatient to phase this in over a generation or two, instead decide to fire their top hunter as soon as a new ship is ready
TL:DR Protection racket tries to change into actual colonial empire but the folks in charge are stupid
>Red's a good girl+seabeasts would never come to land to attack->Red flies into a bloodrage and attacks a brand new class of ship she's literally never seen before and which has never hunted seabeasts before from land the second she sees it because it was flying the flag of the local kingdom, something presumably literally all local ships and many local coastal settlements would be flying
That's honestly the one that bothers me the most. Red out of nowhere gets mad at the royal ship and fricks it up completely unprovoked and nobody at any point goes back to this and try to justify it or some shit. They could have even had something cheesy like, her eggs were on the island or they were trying to steal her children or some shit, but no, the plot just completely ignores we saw her go full predator for a stupid reason but everything is alright later?
Cept they outright said those cannons wouldn't work for hunting because they were in the wrong arrangement. Their placement in the side of the ship prevented them from being aimed down into the water. So she recognized a completely unfamiliar arrangement of metal that wouldn't have even been effective as a fricking threat.
And again, the existence of a navy AT ALL implies warfare between human settlements. If she's flipping the frick out over the sight of cannons, literally every military vessel and fortification is going to be at risk.
That ship had a stupidly huge number of cannons that were set up in a flashy but impractical way. The other ships had a smaller number of cannons, and they did actually shoot those cannons at sea beasts on-screen. If Red was able to recognize a gun and if she saved the main characters because someone pointed a gun at them, I don't see why she wouldn't recognize a cannon too.
Swivel guns are small cannons. Red probably wouldn't be pedantic enough to care about the exact definitions or differences, anyway. What mattered were the rows of muzzles that shoot and hurt.
Cept they outright said those cannons wouldn't work for hunting because they were in the wrong arrangement. Their placement in the side of the ship prevented them from being aimed down into the water. So she recognized a completely unfamiliar arrangement of metal that wouldn't have even been effective as a fricking threat.
And again, the existence of a navy AT ALL implies warfare between human settlements. If she's flipping the frick out over the sight of cannons, literally every military vessel and fortification is going to be at risk.
>Die to being vored by kaijuu tentacles or die to being raped and murdered by enemy soldiers because you got rid of all your cannons
Such is life when the worldbuilding is shitty.
Forgot a complaint. Major fricking narrative complaint. First god damn scene she's introduced the heroine is mentioned as being a breakout artist escapes regularly. She then does so immediately with ease.
Then for the rest of the god damn film, every god damn time she's locked up and it's not for a joke she can't get out on her own. Her two god damn defining character traits were she wanted to be a Hunter no matter what and she's good at escapes and she ends the film hoping to never go to the ocean and having never made a meaningful escape.
Worst fricking character development I have ever fricking seen in a kids film.
>I hate that Beast with every fiber of my being, but saving Jim Nicklebones was the right thing to do - you steered me right today >Since it's launch, every spar, support and board on this ship has been replaced, and yet it lives on. It is an eternal thing - but I am not . What is to become of the Inevitable, when I am gone?
I'd watch a series just following Captain Crow hunting Beasts and talking to his crew in between hunts
Even the dialogue in the first act is leagues better than anything else in the movie.
There was a point around the half hour mark where I thought to myself that the absolute worst thing that could happen to this movie is it becoming about how we need to coexist with nature and shit, but they even managed to frick that up
The old captain lets go at the end of the first fricking segment when he decides to fricking retire. If the same fight had happened without spotting Red first he probably would have retired immediately when they got back to port. He has like 5 codependent bullshit reasons to hunt her stemming from him being a discount Ahab.
>I'm a hunter so I must hunt Red, ARGH MY EYE!!! >But I'm retiring, so she's not my problem anymore >BUT I JUST SAW HER WITH THE EYE SHE HASN'T TAKEN FROM ME >AND THE CREW HAS MY BACK TO DO ONE MORE HUNT >AND NOW WE HAVE TO HUNT HER TO SAVE THE HUNTING PROFESSION FROM FALLING TO THE NAVY >AND NOW BECAUSE SHE KILLED JACOB >AND NOW BECAUSE THOSE ROYALS INSULTED ME
They should have had the initial red spotting be AFTER him deciding to retire so it'd come across more as that one last thing he couldn't let go of as soon as he was reminded derailing his plans and not him being shit at making plans in the first place. As is it's severe whiplash when the somber resigned captain just gradually descends into fricking Ahab after clearly recognizing he was at the end of his career AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FILM.
Also lol at that dumpsterfire of an epilogue excluding both him/the crew and Red but including Blue of all frickers as if anyone gave a frick about the polliwog.
Swivel guns are small cannons. Red probably wouldn't be pedantic enough to care about the exact definitions or differences, anyway. What mattered were the rows of muzzles that shoot and hurt.
She was on the attack before they were and from that angle they were just giant metal circles and tubes in completely different positions than swivel guns on completely different vessels from swivel guns with a completely different size from a swivel gun.
And to reiterate any ship or port's going to have fricking cannons. Pirates and enemy navies don't suddenly stop being a thing just cause sea monsters exist. The country had a god damn standing navy.
Too many plotlines. The Royalty and the Witch threads weren't really necessary when the best aspects were fighting giant sea creatures and the crew's shenanigans. They should have met the Royalty because the visuals of the monarchs and the palace were fantastic, but it should have just been a quick "Here how hunters are treated socially, here is why humanity needs to fight Sea Beasts on a large scale" not the dumb illuminati tier stuff we got that takes up too much of the movie. The Red Bluster should have been a Sea Beast of note, but not THE Sea Beast that fricks up the most ships. There should have been some massive Leviathan motherfricker who was super aggro and was the cause of the other Sea Beasts moving into human waters.
>There should have been some massive Leviathan motherfricker who was super aggro and was the cause of the other Sea Beasts moving into human waters.
But then the movie would have been even closer to copying How to Train Your Dragon.
I felt it had potential this my ep idea from a previous thread
>episode 1 starts the same as the beginning (it had a great beginning) so we keep it the same and reach up to the point where we get the captain waking up from almost dying (also because of Chekhov's gun we make whatever that big beast from the opening and jacobs back story the big bad cause frick it why not)
>episode 2 we get to the part where crow gives his captain spot to his *son* and then we keep the same til we reach the contest part and through this we will start the real change
>Episode 3-5 or so we basically actually have time to develop characters the world get a fish out of water with the girl being the new kid on the sea also we can have time to play around with the contest like so we don't feel they will lose so obviously in the fight with the red bluster and also have us root more against the gov ship show them getting ahead on crow because they refuse to help other ships and stuff like that but also show how they easily completely over power some mid tier beast big enough we think damn they op but small enough it's not weird that they lose to the bluster later also ACTUALLY SHOW US THE MONARCH BACKSTORY shit make that the whole a episode
>episode 6 is either the monarch backstory or when they fight the bluster i'd feel a good way to develop the girl would be to have the monarch backstory correlate with the bluster like around when the backstory/story ends about the monarch at the end of an ep have the bluster appear
>Episode 7 the whole ep is the bluster fight show signs that the bluster can be violent and how it goes then it ends the same but now we can add character to the girl by having her know what it's like to have a hunter crew die and them being like her family so that's why she cuts the rope not just fear so have her think about her parents and the people on the monarch and her other development from the other eps.
ok deadass this all i got i have no good ending any ideas?
The thing that kills this movie for me is that the morality is extremely black and white where "lol monsters good and hunters bad."
Even Httyd, the movie Sea Beast is obviously trying to be an off-brand version of, recognized that even if dragons were more complex than the characters thought at the beginning of the movie, there were still dragons that would prey on humans and couldn't be reasoned with. At the same time, being a dragon hunter and resistant to the idea of dragons being more than monsters didn't automatically make a character evil.
It's funny that with how similar the plots of the two movies are, the themes are polar opposite. Httyd's theme was about gaining understanding and learning the mysteries of the world(dragons) and learning to connect and coexist. On the other hand Sea Beast seems to be about staying in your lane and avoiding conflict with anything outside of your business, like at the end of the movie where nobody in the nation ever ventured to the sea again.
I just want a movie that lets monsters be monsters.
Environmentalism has completely robbed the west of having narrative creativity when it comes to any kind of story involving nature or creatures. The wild isn’t allowed to represent anything other than the real world wild anymore, and the only story we can tell is about how everyone needs to be less greedy and live in harmony with the animals.
It’s so fricking boring at this stage.
Just read Moby-Dick and watch HTTYD, this movie was just those two combined but far inferior to both.
I can't remember the last time I was this disappointed with a movie.
It should have ended in marriage tbh
It did. What else are those two going to do in that little cottage by the sea
You people are sick but realistic. If this is based on the time period when pirates were alive, then it probably would happen IRL. But this is a cartoon and he is her FATHER FIGURE, not her FUTURE HUSBAND.
>How the frick did they drop the ball this hard after that opening 45 minutes?
The plot started. The movie was a continuous string of beautiful setup and worldbuilding and likeable characters and then nonstop absolute nonsense and some of the absolute worst narrative and worldbuilding I've ever seen outside of axed manga culminating in a hilariously nonsensical everybody does the right thing ending (as long as you don't think about it too hard).
I'm like 95% certain there were multiple dropped subplots. The witch never god damn comes up again and the captain's journal of beast hunts was probably supposed to reveal the humans started shit.
Let's see
>Establish throughout the film seabeasts prey upon civilian vessels, making all attempts to eradicate any recognized beast documented to prey on human vessels 100% justified
>Establish seabeasts aren't hunted for meat or oil or trophies since kills are confirmed by even small pieces, so if they were peaceful there would be LITERALLY NO MOTIVE for the fricking hunts beyond propaganda, which if you're inventing destroyed villages whole cloth wouldn't even require hunts
>villainize the current royal family who didn't even necessarily fricking know anything about what the first generation was up to
>Red's a good girl+seabeasts would never come to land to attack->Red flies into a bloodrage and attacks a brand new class of ship she's literally never seen before and which has never hunted seabeasts before from land the second she sees it because it was flying the flag of the local kingdom, something presumably literally all local ships and many local coastal settlements would be flying
>the amazing completely irrelevant witch curse
>That beast killed Jacob. Damn the customs. I'll kill it.->Jacob betrayed the customs. Damn him. I'll kill him.
>These seabeasts are so harmless that WE MUST NEVER VENTURE INTO THEIR OCEAN EVER AGAIN! WE CANNOT COEXIST!!!
Honestly it's impressive that they managed to frick up a plot this many different ways but relegate it all to just the back half the film. Maybe the witch's curse was that the rest of the film would be shit.
>Establish throughout the film seabeasts prey upon civilian vessels, making all attempts to eradicate any recognized beast documented to prey on human vessels 100% justified
then try to pull a humans are the real bastards plot*
Was it too hard to just outright include oil or tusks as a plot element? Couldn't have Jacob be the blameless hero if he stripped his victims for parts?
>villainize the current royal family who didn't even necessarily fricking know anything about what the first generation was up to
This one’s amazing because it’s either
a) The story blames the King and Queen for being duped by the same story that LITERALLY every character in the story also fell for
or b) They were in on the plan to trick the hunters into needlessly hunting sea beasts, and yet still wanted to upset that scheme by replacing them with the Royal Navy.
Neither on of those situations makes any sense
From the extra material released to explain the plot, I think it goes something like this:
>Some sea monsters are man-eaters (i.e. the giant crab), but most are not and only fight if attacked (Red Bluster)
>Early hunters who went after the man-eaters were seen as heroes
>Royals exploited this by talking up how dangerous the monsters were and paid hunters to go and kill more, whilst claiming that monsters wipe out entire coastal villages.
>More and more people look to the nation for 'protection' from monsters
>Nation expands, getting more land, wealth and power
>But all this rests on a fleet of free-lance monsters hunters - which the Royals pay bounties to, but do not control
>(ill-considered) plan is to replace hunters with actual royal navy
>Royals too dumb/impatient to phase this in over a generation or two, instead decide to fire their top hunter as soon as a new ship is ready
TL:DR Protection racket tries to change into actual colonial empire but the folks in charge are stupid
>Red's a good girl+seabeasts would never come to land to attack->Red flies into a bloodrage and attacks a brand new class of ship she's literally never seen before and which has never hunted seabeasts before from land the second she sees it because it was flying the flag of the local kingdom, something presumably literally all local ships and many local coastal settlements would be flying
That's honestly the one that bothers me the most. Red out of nowhere gets mad at the royal ship and fricks it up completely unprovoked and nobody at any point goes back to this and try to justify it or some shit. They could have even had something cheesy like, her eggs were on the island or they were trying to steal her children or some shit, but no, the plot just completely ignores we saw her go full predator for a stupid reason but everything is alright later?
I assumed she'd been shot at with cannons before, she knew what they were for, and she got pissed off when she saw a ship full of them.
Cept they outright said those cannons wouldn't work for hunting because they were in the wrong arrangement. Their placement in the side of the ship prevented them from being aimed down into the water. So she recognized a completely unfamiliar arrangement of metal that wouldn't have even been effective as a fricking threat.
And again, the existence of a navy AT ALL implies warfare between human settlements. If she's flipping the frick out over the sight of cannons, literally every military vessel and fortification is going to be at risk.
That ship had a stupidly huge number of cannons that were set up in a flashy but impractical way. The other ships had a smaller number of cannons, and they did actually shoot those cannons at sea beasts on-screen. If Red was able to recognize a gun and if she saved the main characters because someone pointed a gun at them, I don't see why she wouldn't recognize a cannon too.
That's a swivel gun, not a cannon.
Swivel guns are small cannons. Red probably wouldn't be pedantic enough to care about the exact definitions or differences, anyway. What mattered were the rows of muzzles that shoot and hurt.
>Die to being vored by kaijuu tentacles or die to being raped and murdered by enemy soldiers because you got rid of all your cannons
Such is life when the worldbuilding is shitty.
Forgot a complaint. Major fricking narrative complaint. First god damn scene she's introduced the heroine is mentioned as being a breakout artist escapes regularly. She then does so immediately with ease.
Then for the rest of the god damn film, every god damn time she's locked up and it's not for a joke she can't get out on her own. Her two god damn defining character traits were she wanted to be a Hunter no matter what and she's good at escapes and she ends the film hoping to never go to the ocean and having never made a meaningful escape.
Worst fricking character development I have ever fricking seen in a kids film.
>Maybe the witch's curse was that the rest of the film would be shit.
>Establish throughout the film seabeasts prey upon civilian vessels
When did this happen? The Sea Beasts only attack War Vessels.
We didn't see that Sea Beast's pussy. That's why.
frick off
>the real beast was men all al-
I snored and clicked the cross on the tab I had open on Kimcartoons.
>I hate that Beast with every fiber of my being, but saving Jim Nicklebones was the right thing to do - you steered me right today
>Since it's launch, every spar, support and board on this ship has been replaced, and yet it lives on. It is an eternal thing - but I am not . What is to become of the Inevitable, when I am gone?
I'd watch a series just following Captain Crow hunting Beasts and talking to his crew in between hunts
Even the dialogue in the first act is leagues better than anything else in the movie.
There was a point around the half hour mark where I thought to myself that the absolute worst thing that could happen to this movie is it becoming about how we need to coexist with nature and shit, but they even managed to frick that up
The old captain should have been the protagonist stuck with the little girl. It would have made a better message about letting go.
The old captain lets go at the end of the first fricking segment when he decides to fricking retire. If the same fight had happened without spotting Red first he probably would have retired immediately when they got back to port. He has like 5 codependent bullshit reasons to hunt her stemming from him being a discount Ahab.
>I'm a hunter so I must hunt Red, ARGH MY EYE!!!
>But I'm retiring, so she's not my problem anymore
>BUT I JUST SAW HER WITH THE EYE SHE HASN'T TAKEN FROM ME
>AND THE CREW HAS MY BACK TO DO ONE MORE HUNT
>AND NOW WE HAVE TO HUNT HER TO SAVE THE HUNTING PROFESSION FROM FALLING TO THE NAVY
>AND NOW BECAUSE SHE KILLED JACOB
>AND NOW BECAUSE THOSE ROYALS INSULTED ME
They should have had the initial red spotting be AFTER him deciding to retire so it'd come across more as that one last thing he couldn't let go of as soon as he was reminded derailing his plans and not him being shit at making plans in the first place. As is it's severe whiplash when the somber resigned captain just gradually descends into fricking Ahab after clearly recognizing he was at the end of his career AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FILM.
Also lol at that dumpsterfire of an epilogue excluding both him/the crew and Red but including Blue of all frickers as if anyone gave a frick about the polliwog.
She was on the attack before they were and from that angle they were just giant metal circles and tubes in completely different positions than swivel guns on completely different vessels from swivel guns with a completely different size from a swivel gun.
And to reiterate any ship or port's going to have fricking cannons. Pirates and enemy navies don't suddenly stop being a thing just cause sea monsters exist. The country had a god damn standing navy.
Too many plotlines. The Royalty and the Witch threads weren't really necessary when the best aspects were fighting giant sea creatures and the crew's shenanigans. They should have met the Royalty because the visuals of the monarchs and the palace were fantastic, but it should have just been a quick "Here how hunters are treated socially, here is why humanity needs to fight Sea Beasts on a large scale" not the dumb illuminati tier stuff we got that takes up too much of the movie. The Red Bluster should have been a Sea Beast of note, but not THE Sea Beast that fricks up the most ships. There should have been some massive Leviathan motherfricker who was super aggro and was the cause of the other Sea Beasts moving into human waters.
>There should have been some massive Leviathan motherfricker who was super aggro and was the cause of the other Sea Beasts moving into human waters.
But then the movie would have been even closer to copying How to Train Your Dragon.
So who gives a shit? People were going to make the comparison no matter what. The movies appeal is just HTTYD but with pirates. It's a good formula.
I felt it had potential this my ep idea from a previous thread
>episode 1 starts the same as the beginning (it had a great beginning) so we keep it the same and reach up to the point where we get the captain waking up from almost dying (also because of Chekhov's gun we make whatever that big beast from the opening and jacobs back story the big bad cause frick it why not)
>episode 2 we get to the part where crow gives his captain spot to his *son* and then we keep the same til we reach the contest part and through this we will start the real change
>Episode 3-5 or so we basically actually have time to develop characters the world get a fish out of water with the girl being the new kid on the sea also we can have time to play around with the contest like so we don't feel they will lose so obviously in the fight with the red bluster and also have us root more against the gov ship show them getting ahead on crow because they refuse to help other ships and stuff like that but also show how they easily completely over power some mid tier beast big enough we think damn they op but small enough it's not weird that they lose to the bluster later also ACTUALLY SHOW US THE MONARCH BACKSTORY shit make that the whole a episode
>episode 6 is either the monarch backstory or when they fight the bluster i'd feel a good way to develop the girl would be to have the monarch backstory correlate with the bluster like around when the backstory/story ends about the monarch at the end of an ep have the bluster appear
>Episode 7 the whole ep is the bluster fight show signs that the bluster can be violent and how it goes then it ends the same but now we can add character to the girl by having her know what it's like to have a hunter crew die and them being like her family so that's why she cuts the rope not just fear so have her think about her parents and the people on the monarch and her other development from the other eps.
ok deadass this all i got i have no good ending any ideas?
The thing that kills this movie for me is that the morality is extremely black and white where "lol monsters good and hunters bad."
Even Httyd, the movie Sea Beast is obviously trying to be an off-brand version of, recognized that even if dragons were more complex than the characters thought at the beginning of the movie, there were still dragons that would prey on humans and couldn't be reasoned with. At the same time, being a dragon hunter and resistant to the idea of dragons being more than monsters didn't automatically make a character evil.
It's funny that with how similar the plots of the two movies are, the themes are polar opposite. Httyd's theme was about gaining understanding and learning the mysteries of the world(dragons) and learning to connect and coexist. On the other hand Sea Beast seems to be about staying in your lane and avoiding conflict with anything outside of your business, like at the end of the movie where nobody in the nation ever ventured to the sea again.
What are you on about? None of the Hunteres were demonized and monsters were still presented as dangerous, even Red.
I just want a movie that lets monsters be monsters.
Environmentalism has completely robbed the west of having narrative creativity when it comes to any kind of story involving nature or creatures. The wild isn’t allowed to represent anything other than the real world wild anymore, and the only story we can tell is about how everyone needs to be less greedy and live in harmony with the animals.
It’s so fricking boring at this stage.
This movie isn't even about living in harmony though.
>Hunting sea beasts is bad
>lol lets never go explore the ocean again
This movie actually felt like it needed more than one film to actually tell whatever story it was trying to tell.
Didn't pay attention, too busy gazing at handsome seaman.
Go to bed Maisie
Just read Moby-Dick and watch HTTYD, this movie was just those two combined but far inferior to both.
I can't remember the last time I was this disappointed with a movie.