The point about the Fremen is they're actually super advanced and have all kinds of advanced technologies. All they needed was someone who could teach them to fight in larger groups, which is what Paul did
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Its all pretty much related to drinking excrement...
there were tens of millions of Fremen on Dune
the galaxy was also in a delicate balance of limited militarism, even the Sarduakar were only allowed to have 100k troops or something and the Landsraad were also limited by law
It makes a lot more sense in the SyFy series, but Dunc even ignores the existence of the Spacing Guild which are even above the Emperor, the spice must flow bro.
This
The Spacing Guild is actually the true kingmaker in the Dune universe
House Corrino was moronic enough to combined the spacing companies into a monopoly which can blackmail your entire operation by following the highest bidder which can make the spice flow
Without the spice that empire falls apart as soon as stockpiles of spice are exhausted. Paul knew how to destroy both the spice and its makers; and he had the will to do it. None of the Power-brokers were able to counter that threat; and none of them were going to hold on to power after he did it.
The Fremen were already bribing the Spacing Guild with spice in order to stay hidden from the Empire satellites
The Fremen have industrial capacity, where do you think their Stillsuits came from anon?
I haven't seen Dunc2, but in the actual story Paul didn't defeat the empire itself with pure compound and took him hostage, and when Paul threatened to destroy the spice the Spacing Guild (who already were working with the Fremen) told the Emperor to GTFO. They have absolute control over space travel so anything they say goes. The empire and the other great houses were ready to launch an attack on Arrakis until they switched sides.
Herbert's biggest world building flaw is that he doesn't know water capacity determines industrial capacity since power plants use a frickton of water to create electricity for factories to use
Even nuclear plants need a huge amount of heavy water/deuterium to operate
In your logic Fremem still work because they have a LOT of water under the Sietchs. Also you can easily solve energy issues by saying there's a magic stable element that is used on a clean and abundant energy reactor.
Your biggest flaw is having zero imagination at all and not being able to conceive that power could be generated in a setting like Dune in a manner which is completely different than anything we have today.
Magic might as well be the power source of the Dune universe since Herbert or his sons never elaborated on it
It's no dealbreaker since the point of Dune is exploring humanity's capabilities unaided by thinking machines
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Whenever you need a tech explanation in Dune just mumble something something holtzman-effect.
They sorta get tired and start borrowing in the sand on a temporary coma-state. Penis could have a few seconds of a scene to explain that but he doesn't respect you or Dune fans.
the worms sink into the ground and then they are just standing
pretty simple
but i know you arent asking and are going to post this same thread for the next 8 years.
I think this is actually really dangerous as mentioned in the books. My head cannon is that they just use the maker hooks to climb down from the side and that's it.
They release one hook and the sandworm rolls to re-center the other hook towards the highest point. When this happens they release the other hook and hop off at the same time. By this point the sand worm is tired and submerges itself harmlessly leaving the Fremen behind.
Any kind of military troop is going to be wearing body armor, especially in a setting like Dune where melee combat is expected. Then there is the entire desert setting. Even the Harkonnens are wearing a variety of stillsuit.
The canon explanation would have to be that Paul used Bene Gesserit training to enhance his physical strength and discern a weak point.
They know very well that the shield can be compromised by the slow blade. This is the basis of melee combat in the Dune setting. Having no physical body armor would be lunacy. That's why the Sardaukar are still wearing full body armor even while using shields at the same time.
I'm watching this now and the level of technology of the Fremen is not being shown appropriately.
The sietches are not open to the air. They are pressurized chambers deep in the rock with machinery to capture and circulate all the breathable atmosphere, like they are underwater or in space.
I was really confused during DUNC, they kept having scenes with everyone out in the sun talking. Denis took great care to take the sci-fi completely out of the movie and make it as ground in reality as possible, how a history about skyscrapper sized worms that shit future-seeing drugs supposed to be.
There were a few odd things that were dropped from the first movie that didn’t seem to make sense:
- Stilgar mentions in the first movie that they’re not allowed to harm a BG, but in this movie he immediately tells her that if she won’t drink the WoL then she’ll be killed for her water
- Arakkis is so brutal that regardless of who you are in life, you’ll be sucked dry unceremoniously upon death, but they spend days dragging Jarmis’ body around only to dump him in a well of sacred water they don’t drink?
- The Fremen are being ruthlessly hunted down by the Harkonnens, but they can have big parties on the dunes at night with multiple bright lights that could easily be seen by anyone for miles around easily, even from space.
- Seemingly random usage of the shield/no shield rules, a bunch of dudes on top of a massive rock yelling “no shields” despite rocks being the safe areas
I haven’t read the books so I could be completely wrong on these points, but the first movie had a bit more magic because the harshness of the Fremen way of life seemed real and the established rules were followed, while this one seemed like Paul’s desert holiday with friends.
the water extractor inside the sietch is much more efficient, and a Fremen who dies honourably is entitled to a proper funeral
that water is used for terraforming Arrakis later so it's very important
Um, they just do OKAY?!
That's not an explanation.
They climbed off as the worms resubmerged into the sand
>How the hell do they get off the worm after arriv-
SILENCE
ABOMINATION
Is Paul a chef?
Does the whole movie look this bad
When you watch a cam recording, yes.
hear me out
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THATS NOT HOPE
LISAN AL GAIB!
Very carefully.
Eagles.
>intergalactic empire with godlike technologies
>beaten by a few thousand desert tribesmen
This is moronic
What if I told you the tribesman were really good at knife fighting and drank their own pee?
Ah, now it's makes more sense.
yes this has never happened before in history ever zero examples nope don't bother trying to look because it never ever happened ever
>yes this has never happened before in history ever zero examples
Name your top 5 intergalactic empires that were overtaken by stone age tribesman.
never in the history of literature and writing was there ever such a thing as an analogue, absolutely not
Ewoks
The point about the Fremen is they're actually super advanced and have all kinds of advanced technologies. All they needed was someone who could teach them to fight in larger groups, which is what Paul did
>super advanced and have all kinds of advanced technologies.
Name two.
thumpers.
knives.
checkmate, Obama.
>knives.
You mean the teeth they use? Very advanced.
>suits that suck the poo out of your butt and help you drink it
>suits that suck the pee out of your dick and help you drink it
Its all pretty much related to drinking excrement...
Stillsuit
The fancy compass
the Vietcong vs the United States
Those tribesmen have magic lasers and atomic bombs anon. Also tech in DUNE is pretty low tech due to the jihad thousands of years earlier.
Did you watch the film? How do you kill colossal sandworms getting closer to you at 300 km/hr?
there were tens of millions of Fremen on Dune
the galaxy was also in a delicate balance of limited militarism, even the Sarduakar were only allowed to have 100k troops or something and the Landsraad were also limited by law
It makes a lot more sense in the SyFy series, but Dunc even ignores the existence of the Spacing Guild which are even above the Emperor, the spice must flow bro.
This
The Spacing Guild is actually the true kingmaker in the Dune universe
House Corrino was moronic enough to combined the spacing companies into a monopoly which can blackmail your entire operation by following the highest bidder which can make the spice flow
Without the spice that empire falls apart as soon as stockpiles of spice are exhausted. Paul knew how to destroy both the spice and its makers; and he had the will to do it. None of the Power-brokers were able to counter that threat; and none of them were going to hold on to power after he did it.
You mean like the US losing to Vietnam? Or Russia to Afghanistan?
The Fremen were already bribing the Spacing Guild with spice in order to stay hidden from the Empire satellites
The Fremen have industrial capacity, where do you think their Stillsuits came from anon?
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I haven't seen Dunc2, but in the actual story Paul didn't defeat the empire itself with pure compound and took him hostage, and when Paul threatened to destroy the spice the Spacing Guild (who already were working with the Fremen) told the Emperor to GTFO. They have absolute control over space travel so anything they say goes. The empire and the other great houses were ready to launch an attack on Arrakis until they switched sides.
*but in the actual story Paul didn't defeat the empire itself with pure force. His warriors overwhelmed the emperor's compound and took him hostage
Paul also used illegal nukes that'd normally have the other houses roflstomp them into dust but again the Spacing Guild had the last word.
They climb down using the same hooks that they climbed up with, then drop onto the sand.
When they manufactured the flags and the design and shit together?
They can manufacture windtraps, stillsuits and other things, I think they would figure out how to make some flags.
Where did they manufacture things anyway? They didn't seem to have any sort of technology anywhere aside from the things they supposedly manufactured.
In the sietch communities, especially the one hidden in the southern desert.
Herbert's biggest world building flaw is that he doesn't know water capacity determines industrial capacity since power plants use a frickton of water to create electricity for factories to use
Even nuclear plants need a huge amount of heavy water/deuterium to operate
In your logic Fremem still work because they have a LOT of water under the Sietchs. Also you can easily solve energy issues by saying there's a magic stable element that is used on a clean and abundant energy reactor.
Your biggest flaw is having zero imagination at all and not being able to conceive that power could be generated in a setting like Dune in a manner which is completely different than anything we have today.
Magic might as well be the power source of the Dune universe since Herbert or his sons never elaborated on it
It's no dealbreaker since the point of Dune is exploring humanity's capabilities unaided by thinking machines
Whenever you need a tech explanation in Dune just mumble something something holtzman-effect.
They sorta get tired and start borrowing in the sand on a temporary coma-state. Penis could have a few seconds of a scene to explain that but he doesn't respect you or Dune fans.
the worms sink into the ground and then they are just standing
pretty simple
but i know you arent asking and are going to post this same thread for the next 8 years.
I think this is actually really dangerous as mentioned in the books. My head cannon is that they just use the maker hooks to climb down from the side and that's it.
Same way they got up. Ropes.
They release one hook and the sandworm rolls to re-center the other hook towards the highest point. When this happens they release the other hook and hop off at the same time. By this point the sand worm is tired and submerges itself harmlessly leaving the Fremen behind.
Invermectin, look into it
My biggest complaint is this film being yet another sci-fi show that makes body armor pointless.
they are not wearing body armour
The harkonnen and sadaukar are definitely wearing armor
Any kind of military troop is going to be wearing body armor, especially in a setting like Dune where melee combat is expected. Then there is the entire desert setting. Even the Harkonnens are wearing a variety of stillsuit.
The canon explanation would have to be that Paul used Bene Gesserit training to enhance his physical strength and discern a weak point.
it is not armor, these are suits to retain moisture
It is both at the same time.
No it is not, they have the shields to act as "armor"
They know very well that the shield can be compromised by the slow blade. This is the basis of melee combat in the Dune setting. Having no physical body armor would be lunacy. That's why the Sardaukar are still wearing full body armor even while using shields at the same time.
They slow the worm down and jump off. It's not like they're hundreds of feet in the air.
Kek yes they are
No they're not. It's digging and only the top part if just barely out of the sand.
Jack helps you off the worm, then you help Jack off the worm
I like the stillsuits from the cover of Dune World. One of them is pink :3
>where's the spice b0ss
sus
I'm watching this now and the level of technology of the Fremen is not being shown appropriately.
The sietches are not open to the air. They are pressurized chambers deep in the rock with machinery to capture and circulate all the breathable atmosphere, like they are underwater or in space.
good point.
I was really confused during DUNC, they kept having scenes with everyone out in the sun talking. Denis took great care to take the sci-fi completely out of the movie and make it as ground in reality as possible, how a history about skyscrapper sized worms that shit future-seeing drugs supposed to be.
it also bothered the frick out of me how none of them were ever wearing their burkas
Or how they were casually talking in the middle of the desert when there's shade nearby
The 84 film made Arrakis seem more alien even if they were fully exposing their heads in the deep desert (which should have completely fried them).
they unhook the ropes and all jump off the side as it goes under the sand
They use a wormhole.
There were a few odd things that were dropped from the first movie that didn’t seem to make sense:
- Stilgar mentions in the first movie that they’re not allowed to harm a BG, but in this movie he immediately tells her that if she won’t drink the WoL then she’ll be killed for her water
- Arakkis is so brutal that regardless of who you are in life, you’ll be sucked dry unceremoniously upon death, but they spend days dragging Jarmis’ body around only to dump him in a well of sacred water they don’t drink?
- The Fremen are being ruthlessly hunted down by the Harkonnens, but they can have big parties on the dunes at night with multiple bright lights that could easily be seen by anyone for miles around easily, even from space.
- Seemingly random usage of the shield/no shield rules, a bunch of dudes on top of a massive rock yelling “no shields” despite rocks being the safe areas
I haven’t read the books so I could be completely wrong on these points, but the first movie had a bit more magic because the harshness of the Fremen way of life seemed real and the established rules were followed, while this one seemed like Paul’s desert holiday with friends.
the water extractor inside the sietch is much more efficient, and a Fremen who dies honourably is entitled to a proper funeral
that water is used for terraforming Arrakis later so it's very important