>hyped as the endgame antagonists
>defeated by a little girl in one episode that wasn't even the series finale
>hyped as the endgame antagonists. >defeated by a little girl in one episode that wasn't even the series finale
>hyped as the endgame antagonists
>defeated by a little girl in one episode that wasn't even the series finale
I'm so glad I never watched this stupid shit.
the entertainment was the Cinemaphile threads at the time
everyone went apeshit and that was the content to watch
Still mad tbh.
its so bad i havent rewatched anything after the end
second.
it was all set up for nothing of interest.
a true waste of potential
>multiple characters have Valyrian swords
>could have them go up against the white walkers
>instead the white walkers don’t do any fighting and we just see cannon fodder wights
characters have Valyrian swords
have them go up against the white walkers
There were 227 Valyrian steel swords in Westeros. Many lost or disappeared. There were three at Winterfell for the battle against the Night King. It didn't really matter because Arya snuck up with a Valyrian steel knife to off the Night King.
Would have been nice if the characters fought some of the big bad guys. Would have been even better if they had kept the idea of the sword burning, generating heat when clashing with ice magic.
Why would the White Walkers put themselves at risk when they know the enemy has weapons that can kill them?
I dunno, why does anyone put themselves at risk when the enemy has deadly weapons?
>I dunno, why does anyone put themselves at risk when the enemy has deadly weapons?
How often do you see Presidents and Generals on the front lines?
This could've been the Night King, he enters a couple seconds later
Frogfu almost ended the second Long Night by accident
Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!
>Rewatching Blackwater
>Stannis somehow knows that the Wildfire was Tyrion's idea and that they can't do it again in any capacity
>Retorts to his soldier that thousands will die in the approach to the gate, let alone the battle
>Stannis leads the vanguard regardless
>Climbs a ladder with no helmet or men in front of him to protect him from rocks
>His entire time on the gate wall is spent on one tiny set and the last time you see him is being dragged off yelling at the air
How did people take this battle or Stannis seriously? He's the definition of plot armor.
I don't know all throughout history? fricking moron
so why was the night king at the front lines
Why did Jon stupidly rush Winterfell in Battle of the Bastards? It's because siege warfare is actually pretty boring to watch and takes a long time to develop. Normies want to see protag and antag rushing into melee skirmishes on an open battlefield like in Avenger Endgame.
That's what you get for watching this garbage after season 3.
he won
Right? Still undefeated and knowing GRRM will never finish Ice and Fire
You ever had any doubts? Atheists will never win anything except a free trip to hell
Jews ruined a Song of Ive and Fire. But looks like they are set to rape Tolkien's Middle Earth
The Arya? Oh you wouldn't be interested in that.
She was built as a master assassin. During combat, one of these could teleport behind you and nothin personnel. Over here on the stomach; stab her thrice. This will boost her into a rampless jump.
-bruce goes in for the stab-
NOT NOW! NOT... NOT NOW, SIR!
-bruce moves knife back-
[Nothin Personnel] Disengaged
We never could get the damned thing to work, but this baby jump-backstabs a white walker just fine
-bruce brinks Arya to a stop-
So, what do you think?
-Does she come in black?
A rare synthesis
>expectations: subverted
: annihilated
>Everyone who thought the Night King just sent a small force against Winterfell and took his main army to King's Landing
Hahaha, the cope was palpable in the last few seasons.
Imagine if that happened. Everything is presented as if it's in real time.
Shots of Jon and team approaching Kings Landing. Shots of Cersei looking out of the tower. Shot of Night King appearing not Jon and team. Cerseis scene were in past the whole time. As Jon's team approach the horizon in present day scenes, a frozen Kings Landing is revealed.
That'd been cool. Very gay but cool
remember when preston jacobs was raging on this episode
I remember that some people were even trying to justify Arya’s killing because of a Melisandre like a few seasons back
>you’ll close many eyes, blue eyes, green eyes, and brown eyes
What would win?
The entire azor ahai prophecy and jon's storyline tied to the night king since s1
Or
Some stupid shit mel said once
That was hilariously bad. Everyone implicitly understood it was about killing other people. Having blue eyes does not make you a White Walker. This retroactive attempt to make sense of horseshit was insulting.
What was going through his mind at this moment
OHH N- ACK
>WAIT, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO EXPLAIN WHY WE—
I want to write a story like this where the evil monsters teased throughout the whole thing start eloquently and peacefully explaining their goals and motivations to the protagonist when the big final showdown happens, but has it been done before? Sounds a bit like Steve Lichman but I read that so long ago I forgot what exactly it was about.
>HOLD ON HOLD ON! BEFORE YOU STAB ME YOU MUST KNOW THAT WE WHITE WALKERS, KNOWN AS "THE OTHERS" IN THE BOOKS, ARE AN ALLEGORY FOR THE PHILOSOPHICAL CONCEPT OF "THE OTHER." GEORGE RR MARTIN, BEING A PACIFIST, AND ANTIRACIST, AN INTELLECTUAL AND A LIBERAL, CLEARLY INTENDED OUR PLOTLINE TO SUBVERT THE READER'S EXPECTATIONS OF A CONVENTIONAL VIOLENT CONFLICT WITH AN EVIL "OTHER" WITH A MORE NUANCED AND PACIFISTIC APPROACH TO STORYTELLING WHERE A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION TO CONFLICT IS MADE WITH THE OTHER RATHER THAN RESORTING TO VIOLE-ACK!
When did it change from being a metaphor for climate change, or was that just global warning nutters propaganda?
Im still convinced that the book Others are not 100% evil and that the grand finale was planned to be a diplomatic agreement between humans and others.
I mean, why the hell would ancient humans build an impossibly big ice wall against creatures that control ice? And the early nights watch definitively sacreficed infants to the white walkers... So the wall was probably built by the others and meant as a neutral border between species, the White walkers are only chimping out because "I CANT BREED" now that the sacrefices stopped.
Not that my theory matters because fat frick will never finish his books.
I genuinely hope there isn't a "turns babies into Others" thing, and that they use the children for something else like magic. In fact I hope little new information is revealed about what they are/what their society is like outside of just hinting there's loads more than meets the eye
I like to think that the last thing that went through his head, other than that knife, was to wonder how the hell Arya Stark ever got the best of him.
Sounds like someone got motherhecking SUBVERTED!! Welcome to GoT dude, don't get attached to ANY characters cause this shit is raw, adult, fantasy
The subversion of the Red Wedding was like a glass of red wine with a 40 day aged prime rib eye. The epic subversion of Arya killing le ice zombie kang was like downing 40 shots of everclear and drowning in a pool of your own vomit
The Others are gonna go off early in the books too. They're the "water" in the Prince who was promised prophecy. The only reason it was as shit as it was in the show is cuz D&D like you fricks were mad they weren't the endgame when told by GRRM and they purposely butchered it. Same with Dany going mad.
> They're the "water" in the Prince who was promised prophecy.
?
Sorry, I meant Azor Ahai, Same thing really
>Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword, so he labored for thirty days and thirty nights at the sacred fires of a temple until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. Azor Ahai took fifty days and fifty nights to make another sword better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew beforehand what he must do to finish the blade, Azor Ahai worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her living heart, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes. Lightbringer was henceforth always warm to the touch.
The sword is a realm being forged by Jon (and Dany). The water is the others, the lion is Cersei, Nissa Nissa is Dany and the monster he thrusts the blade into is the iron throne
Azor Ahai and Lightbringer are just the Last Hero and his dragonsteel sword. It's a sword that contain fire magic (just like dragonglass) and is made with blood sacrifices, it's valyrian steel.
>"What feeds a dragon's fire?" Marwyn seated himself upon a stool. "All Valyrian sorcery was rooted in blood or fire."
Even Marwyn is wrong. The Prophecy is just a metaphor it's not going to be some Final Fantasy climax Bullshit w a magic sword
He is wrong with the fact that Dany is the PtwP but not with the fact that Valyrians did blood sacrifices and are connected to fire magic. Qohorik smiths are trying to replicate VS and for that, they are doing blood sacrifices. Martin said that when he started writing ASOIAF, he was hesitant to put dragons in. The dragon on the Targaryen sigil symbolized their power to conjure up fire with their mind. He replaced this control of fire with the dragons. And if you think there won't be a burning sword, fricking reread the first chapter of the series, the Others have a magical ice sword that frost steel until it shattered. A burning sword is how you counter that shit.
There is no magical sword it's just people and societies organizing themselves to defend themselves. The first book literally has a chapter where Jon talks to Maester Aemon about how a realm is "forged" for the good of all. The Valyrian Steel being the counter to their ice swords has already been confirmed as canon. Yes Fire and Blood is connected to magic but in the end it doesn't matter. Even Aegon needed more than just three dragons to forge a realm. There is no magical sword. Cope
You acknowledge VS to be magical and then say there are no magical sword? Do you realize how fricking stupid you are?
>Do you realize how fricking stupid you are?
Calm Down. I meant no magic burning sword with special Anime powers. VS swords are a bit different no? Nothing explicitly magic except for how it reacts to the Others
Not really the clues are there: obsidian is call "dragonglass" for a reason and has magicial properties.
Dragonglass contains fire magic, it will generate heat and melt an Other.
Volcanis glass + fire magic = dragonglass
Steel + fire magic = dragonsteel
A dragonsteel sword will generate heat and melt an Other and that's what Lightbringer do.
You can also notice how the Last Hero and Azor Ahai legends complete each other.
In the first you are told that TLH is looking for the Children
In the second book you have AA forging a magical sword with a blood sacrifice.
In the fourth book Sam mention the tales of TLH slaying the Others with a magical sword.
In the fifth book, you have the description of Lightbringer melting an Other.
The forging of Lightrbinger is just how they forge DS/VS.
Dragonglass is just Obsidian there is no magic as far as we know. Also, that's a hell of a leap you took there to connect TLH w AA. Either way I'm not changing your mind or vice versa so, we're done here?
>Dragonglass is just Obsidian there is no magic as far as we know.
Yeah it's not like it melted a freaking Other...
>Half a year gone, that man could scarcely wake fire from dragonglass.
>A Clash of Kings - Daenerys III
> "Call it dragonglass." Archmaester Marwyn glanced at the candle for a moment. "It burns but is not consumed."
>"What feeds the flame?" asked Sam.
>What feeds a dragon's fire?" Marwyn seated himself upon a stool. "All Valyrian sorcery was rooted in blood or fire. The sorcerers of the Freehold could see across mountains, seas, and deserts with one of these glass candles. They could enter a man's dreams and give him visions, and speak to one another half a world apart, seated before their candles. Do you think that might be useful, Slayer?"
>A Feast for Crows - Samwell V
>Martin: I've given it magical characteristics that of course real obsidian doesn't necessarily have. After all, we live in a world that has no magic. My world does have magic, so it's a little bit different.
>http://web.archive.org/web/20051103091500/nrctc.edu/fhq/vol1iss3/00103009.htm/
Ripping all the magic of ASOIAF is pretty common. Preston Jacobs the youtube gay is a big proponent of it.
Or diving too deep into symbolism, Martin is more straightforward.
He's made it pretty clear not to take prophecies literally.
There's some people who think its all sci-fi and link it Martin's broader sci-fi universe. The comet was a spaceship, glass candles are just high tech gadgets, etc.
Yes but there was no sorcery by conscious beings, its just obsidian that has "magical" properties because of it's connection to lava
No sorcery by conscious beings? Skinchanging, raising the dead, giving birth to a shadow assassin, changing faces, etc. Making a magical steel is not that far fetched...
Oh yeah, I didn't mean that he was litteral for everything just that we don't have to look too deep in the old legends like here with Lightbringer's tale being a prophecy about forging a realm...
Lightbringer’s tale is just the East’s interpretation of the Last Hero’s legend. It’s less accurate than whatever story Old Nan was going to tell Bran but we never got the end of it. Azor Ahai killing Nyssa Nyssa didn’t actually happen (probably?) but it does foreshadow Dany’s fate.
If there is a real sword that inspired Lightbringer and it’s still around, it’s Dawn, the literal Sword of the Morning. The Daynes even have violet eyes, making them some sort of Porto-Valyrians.
Which confirms that Darkstar is Azor Ahai.
>Lightbringer’s tale is just the East’s interpretation of the Last Hero’s legend. It’s less accurate than whatever story Old Nan was going to tell Bran but we never got the end of it.
I agree. The tale of Lightbringer come from Asshai, people probably had visions of what happened there and the visions became legends.
>Azor Ahai killing Nyssa Nyssa didn’t actually happen (probably?) but it does foreshadow Dany’s fate.
I disagree, he did kill someone to make that magical steel, it's the whole point of the tale. We also have mentions of blood sacrifices by the Qohorik smiths in their attempt to replicate VS and that "the sorceries of Valyria were woven of blood and fire". Dany will die but not in an attempt to make Lightbringer, doesn't need to, VS is already there.
>If there is a real sword that inspired Lightbringer and it’s still around, it’s Dawn, the literal Sword of the Morning. The Daynes even have violet eyes, making them some sort of Porto-Valyrians.
Dawn is just a red herring. It's Excalibur trope, the unique magical sword used by (king) Arthur, the worthy knight. When asked which VS sword he would take, Martin said he would rather chose Dawn, saying "who knows what magical properties fallen stars bring to earth", so even if it's as light and sharp as VS, it still have something else to make it unique on its own and in Elder Ring, there is a "greatsword forged from a blue-white meteoric ore. The blade conceals gravity-manipulating magic." The Dayne aren't known for fire magic so I would rather think that it's not Lightbringer.
>No sorcery by conscious beings? Skinchanging, raising the dead, giving birth to a shadow assassin, changing faces, etc. Making a magical steel is not that far fetched...
I'm talking specifically about Obsidian
Either way Others are going off early. Unless GRRM changes out of spite it cuz of how shit the show did it.
Tell me about Marwyn. Why does he wear the glamor?
>killing others won't save the realm
>killing Lannisters won't save the realm
>killing Dany will
kino
>the king is coming for a visit
>make sure to put the giant moron up front; he's important to the plot later
I've seen this post several times before but it is pretty moronic that a brain-addled stable boy is standing to the right of the Warden of the North's family while they await His Grace and Jon Snow is nowhere in sight.
Pretty savage dunk by Cat. You know it was her.
why does rickon look older than bran here
Perspective makes him look taller
Its finally fricking out.
Why the Niger
That smug, lazy, old, ass fricker!
Frick you George!
>bro just do anime moves and stab climate change with a knife
Ill be honest my expectations were in fact subverted
Why do the Walkers wear armor if the only thing that can kill them is valyrian steel, which only needs to touch them to shatter them to pieces?
You've answered your question.
>Benioff: Hey you know how everyone's excepting a final fight between Jon and the Night King? What if we didn't do it and subverted expectations?
>Weiss: Yeah who do we have him fight then?
>Benioff: No one he just walks to Bran and then gets stabbed.
>Weiss: I love it.
Was so blatantly supposed to be Bran by fricking up the past but you know EXCEEEED EXPECTATIONS.
Rhaegar is Azor Ahai. Lightbringer is his wiener. He plunges it deep inside his true love, Lyanna who dies while giving birth to the Son of Fire. Simple as.
test
NFL players and mothers are smart enough to know that he's just a silly boogieman and were more interested in the complex relationships and politics of the vividly realized characters.
Others and Wights=Ice
Greyscale infected and stonemen=fire
I stopped watching GoT at the end of season 3 but my girlfriend at the time kept up with it, so I watched the last few episodes. Even I felt cheated by that ugly goblin killing him in such a stupid facile way
My crackpot Ice and Fire theory is that Mel is Shiera Seastar's daughter, and Coldhands is the offspring of the 13th Lord Commander, and his Other Queen
Didn’t the show confirm that Coldhands is Benjen?
Sub-zero Darth Maul. Got tired by the end.
cant believe they ripped off this game
Why can't actors just deal with being strangled properly for a little bit? It takes ages to kill someone with it, so just do it you homosexuals. It looks so fricking fake and gay when they pretend. SUFFER. FOR. YOUR. ART. SWEATY.
>N-nani?!
>vas does nothing with his other hand
Bravo ubisoft
>Bran: He’ll come for me. He’s tried before. Many times, with many Three-Eyed Ravens.
>Sam: Why? What does he want?
>Bran: An endless night. He wants to format this world, and I am its hard drive storage.
I was a bit confused by this exchange, what exactly is the Night King's goal here
White Walkers are quite literally just clones following a centuries old order 66 to kill men given to them by some homosexual tree children. They had no goal. They aren't sentient. They're just a tool to tell a story that Varys already monologued in season 2.
I still can't understand wtf they were thinking. They had a winning show that was raking in the dough and they just killed it. Why? They could have gotten at least 4 more seasons out of it. AT LEAST! It was a cash cow, why slaughter it?
Corporate assassination, Disney killed the show by offering a sweet Star Wars deal to DABID only to take it back once they killed their cash cow
I see that point being made a lot but couldn't HBO just get different showrunners?
George was a dumbass and gave DABID an ironclad contract after they guessed who Jon's mother was (it was a widely known and available theory online at the time)
I see, not surprised the fact idiot fricked it up.
Modern Disney is cancer and I hope DeSantis taxes the frick out of their parks.
Yes, it was bad. Yes, people will still gargle on and consume the slop that is the prequel despite this.
If the books play out like the show, what is the point of Jon Snow being a Targ anyway? It adds nothing to the story. He'd be more interesting if he really was just a bastard son of a prostitute. In fact he should have just stayed dead because he didn't do anything after he was resurrected.
>He was resurrected so he could kill his aunt
Come on.
He's the son of ice and fire anon
Yea but it meant nothing because he was useless during the long night. It's like making the lord of the rings but sauron isnt actually the main villian. Instead the main villian is farmer maggot's dogs the whole time
My generous interpretation of the choices made in s8:
I think they decided to have Jon v. Dani chronologically after The Long Night because they thought the audience cared more about politics and interpersonal drama than the White Walkers. Also they wanted Dani on screen for as long as possible because they knew a lot of normies would stop watching when she died and in the end, ratings are important.
>Jon kills Dani, forging lightbringer, which either he or someone else uses to kill The Night King
Would have been a much better ending. The combination of greed, not trusting the audience, cowardice, and the reality that a lot of normies are genuinely stupid is ultimately to blame.
Thanks for the tip on how to end it, anon! I've been struggling to figure out an ending for fricking YEARS and this one is a good one. Still not going to write it, though.
>Arya gets her girlboss moment and it sort of makes sense because she has lightbringer
>Jon's resurrection actually serves a purpose
>We don't get 4 hours of boring epilogue after the climax of the story
It might make Danigays seethe but a simple change of chronology settles a lot of problems with season 8.
Official Loyalist True King Rankings
1. (F)aegon Targaryen
2 .John Snow-Targaryen
3. Dany the Mad Queen
4. Stannis
5. Robb (Northerners/Riverlands only).
6. Balon (Iron Islands only)
7. Joffrey/Tommen
8. Renly
Wow, just like my animes
Never watched the show, but I still remember bookmakers giving him +1100 odds of becoming the king at the end of it all before the season aired. Lost a bunch of money pretty fast lol.
>petty conflicts over power mean nothing when we're all on the side of the living
>btw let's just disregard that and have the final conflict be Cersei vs everyone else
Has there ever been as heinous an example of a show forgetting its entire point?
I blame Danigays and their insane hype over a character that was ultimately just another antagonist for the Starks.
She’s such a cutie; shame about the health issues.
naathe being the place where everyone who's not from there will die because of the butterfly sickness
Why did they let this mutt eunuch dictate terms for their own family? He doesn't have any dragons, he's a nobody.
>I dun wan it
>She iz muh qween
>U r muh qween
I feel bad for him.
Emilia got it the worst
Yea Season 5 is when it all starts tanking pretty hard.
>eight years later they'll finally get past the wall and we'll kill them fairly easily at winterfell, no big deal
Why do they bargain with Craster?
Why did they let Sam go?
Why'd they build the symbol out of horse parts?
>Don't worry about it. - D&D
You forgot the worst part
>night king is not defeated by jon, or sam, or daneyrus, or bran, or jons friend, or jaime (who abandoned cersei because he believed in the cause), or the ginger wildling guy
>was defeated by someone who literally had nothing at all to do with the plotline, who had an entire subplot of her own already, who didnt even know about these walkers until 2 episodes ago
> Night king defeated by Sam
I would be ... suprisingly ok with that as an ending, and it would still subvert expectations, all hail Sam the slayer
this is just fan fiction. jaime's character arc was fine tbh dying with cersei like that. he didn't need this int there
>run as fast as possible right towards the enemy
You may not like it but this is what normies think all epic battles should look like.
this picture is frickin moronic and whoever made it should be ashamed.
>muh rightful queen
I hate Danigays so much it's unreal
It's actually pretty incredible how badly they made me root against the Starks towards the end. None of them were likeable.
the Others (white walkers) are kino in the books, you don't actually understand what it's like to be an Other until you carefully read into symbolism and parallel imagery, but this guy did a bunch of videos about it. (no they aren't just ice zombies, there is psychedelic horror shit going on)
Kino analysis, I love how the story's world still feels rich and rife with potential despite the show's garbage latter half. It's one of my favorite fantasy worlds and I'm glad George wrote it, it evokes all sorts of great fantasy feels that various pulp/sword and sorcery artworks inspired in me, except they're actually written out and well thought out and not just implied.
>Bran never ONCE wargs a dragon
I would have accepted every feverish hastily crayon drawn plot point if they included it.
At least he warged Hodor and banged Asha. She was pretty happy before she later died and he got to lose his virginity before losing himself
So much was rendered useless. Dragon glass and valerian steel, the fire God shit, heart tress, and his warg stuff were all relegated to basically texture for the show when at least a few seemed to be building towards playing a significant role in the final battles.
So what exactly made White Walkers "ancient evil awaken" when they did?
It was a dark and stormy night.
They were horny
they needed their beauty rest
what makes you wake up without an alarm?
I know what makes me wake up
my fat homosexual neighbor mowing his lawn for the third time in a week goddammit you son of a b***h get a hobby you oversized dwarf
so cersei was proven to be right about everything, kek. she had quite a fantastic little reign tbh. the odds were stacked against her and she was vindicated
>"Hey, anon! Glad you could make it to D&D night!"
>Pulls you aside.
>"Listen, don't joke about Game of Thrones tonight. The showrunners were invited."
>"Well actually they invited themselves, but that's not the point. Just don't hurt their feelings."
Vince??
Yeah, he plays human sorcerer.
Ok now this is epic
Are they acting for the camera or are they just like this all the time? Imagine watching watching Game of Thrones at home and constantly soifacing at your TV. We need a nature documentary/Truman show type series where hidden cameras capture urban IPA sipping white liberals in their natural habitats.
Maario Naharis
A little late buddy
i was hoping our heros would lose and be forced to retreat, then being forced in to a shaky alliance with Cerce and the last episode being the true battle where all the relationships are tested and resolved during the stuggle against the walkers.
imagine my surprise, it was like watching a fireworks show and the second half is a tiny catherine wheel