When I first read the book I though this was kind of a cool scene but when you think about it, wouldn't every version of "the oldest game" just end this way forever once somebody thought of this?
>I am a thing >I am death >I am hope >okay then gg
Like, in billions of years literally no one thought of this before?
> in octodecillions of years literally no one thought of this before?
I wonder about this multiple times a day, typically for bureaucracy related stuff
I guess that kinda makes sense. They did work their way up to it. But it still seems like unless one player was just a smoothbrain who wound up stumped by 'cat' every game would still end with these sort of nebulous catch-all ideas
You strictly enforce the non-sequitor rule and also ban revisiting used concepts. For example if you've used nuclear war, you can't use it (or WMD in general). Becomes more challenging then you get into loops (eg. Nuclear war > wienerroaches).
It becomes a game to steer the other person into situations you believe are unwinnable. Like a more complex game of that game where the first to 20 loses (each player must add 1, 2 or 3)
I think a big part of the game is that you 'become' whatever you claim to be. Saying 'hope' isn't enough since most beings would not be capable of the abstraction necessary to truly become Hope.
Also Lucifer would almost certainly dunk on Dream. In the comic it's a random low-ranking demon that Lucifer promptly sends to get fricked and also tortured for losing.
Dream is more powerful in Hell.
The demons (Lucifer included) want to gang up on him but Dream asserts he's more powerful and they leave him alone.
>Dream asserts he's more powerful and they leave him alone
Lucifer is absolutely stronger than Dream at that point in the story and is probably stronger than him even when Dream is at his full power.
Lucifer is the second most powerful character in the DC universe after God, they even mentioned it explicitly during the show that even with all of his tools Dream is nowhere near as powerful as Lucifer.
[...]
Yup, she looks absolutely frick all like that in the show, I'm not massively against her playing the character but at least use some digital wizardry on her for fricks sake.
>Lucifer is the second most powerful character in the DC universe after God
I do not believe this is necessarily true. For one, I don't think that Vertigo characters factor into 'normal' DC powerlevel charts or whatever. I'm sure there are a bunch of God-level beings that aren't the Abrahamic God and literal meta-fictional beings that are stronger than Lucifer.
Also, in Lucifer (which I'm assuming is canon) there are a couple of beings as strong or stronger than Lucifer. Michael is one and I am pretty sure that the Basanos were implied to be more powerful than Lucifer but were constrained by some bullshit that kept them from doing whatever they wanted. Destiny is also probably 'more powerful' than Lucifer in that nothing Lucifer does can hurt or phase him.
this is such a moronic question, where does the hope come from? is it founded on anything or is just stubborn hope? if it’s not founded on anything then despair, if it is founded on something then the destruction of the foundation
stupid ass game there are millions more questions you’d need to ask
>mouse > cat > dog > dog catcher > animal rights advocates > bureaucratic red tape > ultraviolent ecoterrorists > FBI
most people think of weapons and power. its not that theres no answer, but it caught him off guard and if you flinch, you lose type of deal in this war of words.
If it was any other devil he would dunk on hope but Lucifer can't do it because that would mean his rebellion against god was pointless. If he followed on it he cpuld just pack it up and return to heaven.
>Netflix can't afford even the cheapest CGI effects
My neighbors called police over my laugh. This how charater look in the comics and they can't even do this, what a hobo company.
I don't understand how they can drop the pale white skin and black eyes. It's a signature component of the character. He never looked human because he isn't.
Having him just be a dude with dark hair is like making a hulk movie where the hulk doesn't even turn green. It's fricking unbelievable how lazy Netflix is with this shit
if he was walking around like Bale in the latest Thor movie it'd look moronic. You can't 1:1 comics to real life when they have art like this. this kind of character design only works in 2d.
I don't agree with you at all, it's just standards are so low. These dumbasses want you to think it's impossible to adapt a style into live action and thus that gives them permission to just change as much shit as humanly possible, because "le limits of le medium".
Sin City managed to be stylised so it's not a particularly large leap from that to other properties, except with something like Sandman you are convining that stylisation to specific characters and not the entire presentation.
if he was walking around like Bale in the latest Thor movie it'd look moronic. You can't 1:1 comics to real life when they have art like this. this kind of character design only works in 2d.
>if he was walking around like Bale in the latest Thor movie
He is not even like that, Dream is basically like an albino with messy dark hair and weird eyes
yes, exactly, how fricking hard would it have been to just do this. The actor has the right kind of look they just have to actually use, you know, makeup. Like it's an actual production
It's not ideal but having watched black books, I kept thinking of that of him as that misanthrope from the book store just awkwardly standing around in places.
>makes constantine black haired >makes constantine a woman >makes constantine a lesbian
I should've dropped this show at the homosexual couple in the first place, but I won't be tricked further into watching this.
That's why I really don't like the changing from a minor demion to Lucifer.
The original story works because the demon isn't really smart, and once Dream has found the pattern, he just gauds his opponent into a race featuring the same destructive motif until that final answer.
Lucifer would/should have had an answer. There's quite a few that work.
Lucifer is the second most powerful character in the DC universe after God, they even mentioned it explicitly during the show that even with all of his tools Dream is nowhere near as powerful as Lucifer.
It should be illegal to use a photo so heavily edited in promotional materials. She looks like a granny in the series.
Yup, she looks absolutely frick all like that in the show, I'm not massively against her playing the character but at least use some digital wizardry on her for fricks sake.
Yeah, comic Lucifer shits on Morpheus. Kinda has a reputation for being OP in hypothetical fights between characters. What that image is saying is that Dreams give power to the structure of Hell, not anything about Lucifer’s personal power.
Nothing in the image you posted disputes that Lucifer is more powerful than Dream, because he isn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In fact Lucifer actually gets his revenge. Giving Morpheus the keys to hell is what kills him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Does he die from that? I don't remember all the details, but from what I recall in that story he ended up giving the key to the angels, rescuing his ex, and then tells everyone else to frick off
It's only way later that the kindly ones hunt Dream down, because he killed his son.
2 years ago
Anonymous
When all the various gods show up to petition him for hell he makes a deal with Loki and eventually Loki stabs him in the back which leads to the other things you described. Although it's pretty plainly stated in the later books that Dream was inclined to be self-destructive and kinda knew what he was getting into
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess it led to his death in a roundabout way then, but I don't think Lucifer planned ahead that far. If I remember right he legitimately wanted out, and was just killing two birds with one stone when he gave the key to Dream as a final frick you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's obvious Dream already knew, even Death told him he could have BTFO the furies if he remained in the Dreaming, thing that he didn't do. Because, in the end, Dream didn't want to be saved.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so Sandman has a sad ending?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It depends on how you see it. Honestly a lot of shit happened between volumes, so your opinion on the ending could be optimistic or pessimistic depending on certain moments or characters.
Hope beats despair, though. You can't fall into despair until you have lost hope, as long as you have it despair has no power over you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I am the Graves of Your Children
2 years ago
Anonymous
I am my new fertile 20yo wife's positive pregnancy test
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can't fall into despair until you have lost hope
then despair can beat hope
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, because that isn't beating hope. Its an absence of hope. If the other player is hope, you have to DEFEAT what they have chosen, just just declare it is already absent.
Its the same reason why Dream can't respond to 'anthrax' with 'a healthy body'. That doesn't beat anthrax, thats trying to walk back the other players choice and thats a loss.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This thread is discussing how bad the show is. The Oldest Game isn't about what either of you buttholes are talking about anyway. It's about imagination. I'll play with you right now.
I am the rat all knawing and all knowing
2 years ago
Anonymous
We are your parents' unfathomably vast disappointment in you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>all knawing
I am your English teacher, loud laughing, score marking
I liked this scene when I first read the comic, but yeah, as people say, there's no reason the game wouldn't always end like this. If you can go from anthrax to planet there's no reason you couldn't go straight from wolf to devourer of worlds.
Well, it'd turn into an arms race at that point. If every demon goes "lol, end of the universe" as soon at it's their turn, everyone would figure out a way to deal with it.
Also, there's a natural step-by-step to the whole thing. Each thing is an answer to the previous one. Going from Tiger straight to Armageddon might be ruled invalid.
The setting in the jazz club and the suit on Morpheus gives this far more personality. Not making Lucifer fight here makes him look far more dangerous because he is not being beaten here and makes you think that he would be smarter than this Demon. Sandman doesn't fumble and doesn't have to be saved by Paton Oswald bird and shows his skill and intelligence. And design of Morpheus is far better. Yeah. Comic wins. And I think the first point is the biggest winner here. This scene has so much personality and the show lacks that. Even with other things like for instance the scenery where the old guy with a violin is visited by death. His house in comics is a ruin, he looks pathetic and sad. And in the show it's all clean and boring.
I could counter-argue that using Lucifer is necessary to establish a more direct confrontation between him and dream. Also it avoids using CGI for the character
I think the lack of personality comes from the color palette they choose: it's too stable and dark for something like sandman that's basically a LSD trip on every page
I'm sure they will keep he around for cameos, but I doubt Lucifer will be an ongoing antagonist. That seems to be the plan for Desire, even though Desire isn't all that super involved later on either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
don't know, i think they will try to do what they did with the Corinthian this season, having Lucifer pop up from time to time during s2
also if i'm not mistaken they said they calibrated everything for 5 seasons, so 2 books per season
2 years ago
Anonymous
I am erect with how many of the writers will get shit canned after this travesty gets cancelled.
2 years ago
Anonymous
sorry, but it seems to be pretty successful so far and normie are eating this shit up
It's writer-wank. Every pencil jockey wants to think his skill with words matters to anyone in order to offset his childhood of getting the shit kicked out of him for being a little homosexual.
This really bothered me in the show because of my autism. They skipped the fly and the spider and went straight from the hunter to the snake. But Dream specified that he was the hunter, not the hunter and the horse, he shouldn't have been poisoned. It just felt sloppy, that's the kind of distinction that would be crucial in a game like this.
>graphic novel series all about free will, freedom from predestination, finding new planes of existence, becoming a Creator and ultimately leaving all that he has ever known for the sake of being outside of other people's plans and visions so he could be himself unto himself without accommodating others or reacting to their actions
I love the original series so much.
It will never be done because it would require a faithful adaptation and I honestly can't remember if I ever saw one. And the faithful adaptation would be too unironically considered too high handed when it's not.
I couldn't find the stupid archive but basically: the sandman the main character all the fans of the comic came to see is painted as an incompetent and impotent plot device to allow STRONG BLACK(I guess one is white including Constantine) WOMEN to talk down to, berate and lead by the hand. His opinions and motivations are largely meaningless in the face of these shoehorned female power fantasies. Even without the abominable casting Morpheus is a side character in his own show only serving as a fixture for which other characters may portray themselves.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is not the sandman of the comics he does not arrive from his moment in prison as a character that is attempting to reconcile his disconnection to the mortal world. The sandman is portrayed as a loutish moron who must be told where to go or what to do by side characters. Even his character progression is bastardized where only a condescending female character must tell him how to behave.
>How is it different than kids screaming "I have mega infinite shield that block everything, I win
Adults knows what metaphysics are, if you don't understand what they are or why they're important then you are nothing more than a child throwing a tantrum
Well she is from the 1800s in the show as well. She makes an appearance in that episode where they keep meeting at the tavern, but they didn't really elaborate it further.
I believe what they did was they removed John Constantine entirely and made Joanne immortal.
since they couldn't use John for copyright reasons, they used Johanna (john's ancestor that Gaiman created)
Still it's weird since they kept Johanna (in 1789) for Hob's episode so i'm not sure how they are going to explain that since they appear to be different characters as she didn't seem to know Dream and her backstory is from John (newcastle and astra)
>watch this show. >cgi is garbage, cast and script are like some low Budget sunday afternoon show from the 90ies. Like relic hunter or robin hood. >didnt read the comics because I am a lazy Black person.
Okay comicgays, explain why the show is ass. So far I enjoyed it as trashy 2nd monitor timewaster.
sandman is a dream-like experience in the pages with some nice imaginations and themes on display, especially in the art. If you want to try, read volume 4 Seasons of the Mist. It's basically a stand alone it will tell you anything you need to know about the sandman experience
it's also one of the few comics that wasn't milked to death and even recent sequels have been very limited compared to pretty much any other thing DC owns. it's 75 issues + a couple of specials, a 7 issues prequel and that's it.
Those two aren't really antagonists in the comic, though
i know, but both the comics and the series wants us to believe they are >one day we will destroy him
is how that issue ends
Can't really think of a better way to describe it than Netflix. One character has been genderswapped into a young, sassy lesbian who teams up with a lesbian Indian priest to officiate a British Princess' wedding to a black guy. None of this is in the comic.
I just watched "The sound of her wings" and besides the actress being black, she is just ok, the contrast between her and Dream I think it should be more striking. What really disappointed me was the dead baby not speaking to Death, I was looking forward to it (I always imagined the baby speaking in an adult voice). They have chickened out so much. In "24 hours" too, they cut the animalistic hour.
I liked the Hob part much more, I didn't remember that episode from the comics so much, but it's a nice story.
The problem is they have created an environment where their demand for black actors exceeds the amount of decent black actors that exist. I would have been fine with Lucien/Death being race or gender swapped if the actors they hired were actually capable of bringing something to the significant roles they've been handed. But nope, it's the same daytime-soap tier performance they all give.
I'd frick her, but only because I have very low standards, she objectively is pretty ugly. wasn't as bad as I expected, though, and I genuinely liked her episode, but fricking up the source material for the identity politics sake is still bad..
I wrote a couple lengthy criticisms of this show in a thread yesterday but the jannies deleted it. I'll keep it short today: this show was hot garbage.
Ep six is the only one that comes close. Only time in the entire series where he actually uses his powers to make a stronk wamen shut the frick up. I'm a little suspicious they included it to keep actual fans on the hook for a bit longer.
There is a valid point to be made here. Im not against the race changing of the characters itself, but it IS weird that i can't think of a single asian or hispanic or muslim character in the entire show, not even a minor one. It is white people and black people pretty much exclusively, and thats just as artificial and weird as it being only white people.
Diversity doesn't mean 'black people', and forcing that interpretation is actively harmful.
Besides these fellas and the chinky CEO everyone else is literally a homosexual or nog. There are just way too many blacks and gays and it’s jarring as frick. Blacks are 11% of the population and gays even less so seeing so many comes off just wrong
And of course every straight white dude is fricking evil
It's all bong actors, and bongs have like 1% Blacks. The other day someone try to claim they "cast the best actor for the role."
Yea, I guess by confidence 50%+ of the roles went to 1% of the population cause they are just that good and talented.
>How does nobody realize how ridiculous this representation is?
LGBT do not longer want representation, that has been achieve. The next goal is total replacement of reality
>I am COPE >Trump can still win >The vaxies will die in 2 more weeks >Have you seen the last Hunter Biden dick pic? >Traps will be accepted in the ethnostate
How bad is American Gods? I've avoided that show like the plague because it's one of my favorite contemporary pieces of fiction and I'd really not like to see it lobotomized.
This. Season 1 is worth watching just so you can see what they did with it, which is legitimately interesting. But seasons 2 and three really, really lose the thread.
Worse than the Sandman adaptation, by FAR. Also, all the people hating on the Death casting probably hasn't seen the series. She was one of the highlights of the show, she really portrayed the compassion of Death well.
>Make sure there's at least one gay or black person on screen at all times
I don't really typically care about the diversity force feeding in modern movies/tv-shows, but this is just fricking embarrassing and they are trying way too hard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapeshifting#Transformation_chase This type of battle, where players each shapeshift into forms that beat each other gradually, can be found all over European myths and fairy tales. Sword and Stone also has them with the Merlin vs Madam Mim fight.
Black person Black person Black person homosexual Black person Black person homosexual Black personhomosexual Black person monkeys everywhere in everything homosexuals infesting every crevice. trash
I just do not for the life of me understand why in this scene they did live action regular size David Thewlis being lifted up by giant CGI Dream when they could have had CGI tiny David Thewlis being lifted up by live action regular size Dream
you know? would have been a lot less noticeable
It's basically a fantasy version of that game kids play where they pretend to have superpowers and keep one upping each other >bro I can shoot fireballs >well I can move super fast and dodge all of them >but I can stop time, so you can't move >actually I can read and control minds so I'd know if you were going to do it and I'd stop you
>I am a T-rex! >Well I am a meteor! >Nuh uh, I am a Sun, I'm way stronger >Fine, I'm a black hole!
What the frick is this childish shit? Is this how 'gods' fight?
It's basically a fantasy version of that game kids play where they pretend to have superpowers and keep one upping each other >bro I can shoot fireballs >well I can move super fast and dodge all of them >but I can stop time, so you can't move >actually I can read and control minds so I'd know if you were going to do it and I'd stop you
Why not just say you're Madara Uchiha on the first turn and win automatically?
You still lose. You need to have ying yang rinnegan sasuke, chakra tattoo sakura AND double sharingan kakashi that conveniently figures out how to do perfect susano on the spot. Half the ass pulls in the series happen in that fight. Literally the only thing naruto does is reverse harem jutsu.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Baryon Mode Naruto is stronger than all of them combined
This was the scene that I was going to judge the entire adaptation on. If they got this scene right, I could have forgiven any miscasts or other changes. I've only watched the first episode and dont think I can stomach anymore, but if this is what we get for the diner scene, I think I can confidently drop it.
theres an asian female black male relationship, where the asian woman is apowerful CEO and they call the black guy her a trophy husband. every single character in this scene is as over the top as this (except the nerdy guy who is there for her to cheat on her husband with)
>I am Madara Uchiha. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.
I know nothing about the adaptation and haven't seen anything from it, but do they show this story and if so is it done well? I would watch it solely for this one.
Hollywood people operate under the assumption that no amount of representation of non-whites, gays, and women is ever too much. It's just been that way for long enough that it's actually coloring people's real life perception of the world.
There's special red oak tree from which you can carve stake and kill hope mikaelson
Big tattas are for loving not killing
big hope
Despair?
Hot crazy woman
Forgot the pic
>Despair?
In the comics is somehow implied that despair created hope, and accidentally killed herself with her creation
Cinemaphile kills my hope every day
Existential dread. Depression.
When I first read the book I though this was kind of a cool scene but when you think about it, wouldn't every version of "the oldest game" just end this way forever once somebody thought of this?
>I am a thing
>I am death
>I am hope
>okay then gg
Like, in billions of years literally no one thought of this before?
there's book?
anyway maybe they've only played it like once before who knows
>there's book?
> in octodecillions of years literally no one thought of this before?
I wonder about this multiple times a day, typically for bureaucracy related stuff
The game kinda works only if you make it a rule that it has to be things directly linked and not a non-sequitur.
>mouse > cat > dog > dog catcher
ok
>mouse > dinosaur > thanos > heat death of the universe
not ok
I guess that kinda makes sense. They did work their way up to it. But it still seems like unless one player was just a smoothbrain who wound up stumped by 'cat' every game would still end with these sort of nebulous catch-all ideas
You strictly enforce the non-sequitor rule and also ban revisiting used concepts. For example if you've used nuclear war, you can't use it (or WMD in general). Becomes more challenging then you get into loops (eg. Nuclear war > wienerroaches).
It becomes a game to steer the other person into situations you believe are unwinnable. Like a more complex game of that game where the first to 20 loses (each player must add 1, 2 or 3)
I think a big part of the game is that you 'become' whatever you claim to be. Saying 'hope' isn't enough since most beings would not be capable of the abstraction necessary to truly become Hope.
Also Lucifer would almost certainly dunk on Dream. In the comic it's a random low-ranking demon that Lucifer promptly sends to get fricked and also tortured for losing.
>Dream asserts he's more powerful and they leave him alone
Lucifer is absolutely stronger than Dream at that point in the story and is probably stronger than him even when Dream is at his full power.
>Lucifer is the second most powerful character in the DC universe after God
I do not believe this is necessarily true. For one, I don't think that Vertigo characters factor into 'normal' DC powerlevel charts or whatever. I'm sure there are a bunch of God-level beings that aren't the Abrahamic God and literal meta-fictional beings that are stronger than Lucifer.
Also, in Lucifer (which I'm assuming is canon) there are a couple of beings as strong or stronger than Lucifer. Michael is one and I am pretty sure that the Basanos were implied to be more powerful than Lucifer but were constrained by some bullshit that kept them from doing whatever they wanted. Destiny is also probably 'more powerful' than Lucifer in that nothing Lucifer does can hurt or phase him.
this is such a moronic question, where does the hope come from? is it founded on anything or is just stubborn hope? if it’s not founded on anything then despair, if it is founded on something then the destruction of the foundation
stupid ass game there are millions more questions you’d need to ask
>mouse > cat > dog > dog catcher > animal rights advocates > bureaucratic red tape > ultraviolent ecoterrorists > FBI
Hope is hope, simple as
>ib4 nooo it needs a logic chain to woooork
It doesn't, hope as concept isn't chained to any kind of logic
Then it loses to logic
most people think of weapons and power. its not that theres no answer, but it caught him off guard and if you flinch, you lose type of deal in this war of words.
“Hope” isn’t some sort of cheat code, Chronozon lost because he didn’t have a response ready
If it was any other devil he would dunk on hope but Lucifer can't do it because that would mean his rebellion against god was pointless. If he followed on it he cpuld just pack it up and return to heaven.
it was "any other devil" in the comic. This stand-in bullshit was an alteration.
>Netflix can't afford even the cheapest CGI effects
My neighbors called police over my laugh. This how charater look in the comics and they can't even do this, what a hobo company.
I don't understand how they can drop the pale white skin and black eyes. It's a signature component of the character. He never looked human because he isn't.
Having him just be a dude with dark hair is like making a hulk movie where the hulk doesn't even turn green. It's fricking unbelievable how lazy Netflix is with this shit
its laziness, they'll spend the money on producers and cinematographers but over and over again it's the same low quality costume/writing/sets
if he was walking around like Bale in the latest Thor movie it'd look moronic. You can't 1:1 comics to real life when they have art like this. this kind of character design only works in 2d.
I don't agree with you at all, it's just standards are so low. These dumbasses want you to think it's impossible to adapt a style into live action and thus that gives them permission to just change as much shit as humanly possible, because "le limits of le medium".
Sin City managed to be stylised so it's not a particularly large leap from that to other properties, except with something like Sandman you are convining that stylisation to specific characters and not the entire presentation.
Anon, Sin City looked like garbage.
SHUT YOUR prostitute MOUTH
Don't ever speak out loud again, Black person.
What does look good then? You fricking homosexual
>this kind of character design only works in 2d
He looks like a cheap clown.
yes that's a portrayal of a character called the crow.
Okay, now imagine it's enhanced with LIGHT cgi use for the eyes and maybe hair for Dream.
A sparkly clown sounds kinda gay
>if he was walking around like Bale in the latest Thor movie
He is not even like that, Dream is basically like an albino with messy dark hair and weird eyes
how messy and weird?
Would've honestly been fantastic, maybe mess around with the eyes a bit.
yes, exactly, how fricking hard would it have been to just do this. The actor has the right kind of look they just have to actually use, you know, makeup. Like it's an actual production
Now that I look at this, it should have been Adam Driver
It's not ideal but having watched black books, I kept thinking of that of him as that misanthrope from the book store just awkwardly standing around in places.
He literally just looks like neil gaiman.
>makes constantine black haired
>makes constantine a woman
>makes constantine a lesbian
I should've dropped this show at the homosexual couple in the first place, but I won't be tricked further into watching this.
>i am cope, what can defeat cope
cope<seethe<dilate
facts
My reality > Your facts
I am sneed
I am chuck
I am frick
>ugly Black person as death
won't even pirate this shit
Fricking Black person Black folk and shit skin Black folk in british shows baka
I hate every scene this FtM gay is in.
I'd rather just watch cain and abel for ten episodes
That's why I really don't like the changing from a minor demion to Lucifer.
The original story works because the demon isn't really smart, and once Dream has found the pattern, he just gauds his opponent into a race featuring the same destructive motif until that final answer.
Lucifer would/should have had an answer. There's quite a few that work.
Also Lucifer is probably the closest being in to god in terms of power so Sandy was entirely at the mercy of his honor
Dream is more powerful in Hell.
The demons (Lucifer included) want to gang up on him but Dream asserts he's more powerful and they leave him alone.
Lucifer is the second most powerful character in the DC universe after God, they even mentioned it explicitly during the show that even with all of his tools Dream is nowhere near as powerful as Lucifer.
Yup, she looks absolutely frick all like that in the show, I'm not massively against her playing the character but at least use some digital wizardry on her for fricks sake.
>the show
I was talking about the comic.
>That Lucifer
Yeah I would definitely mistake him for female.
Yeah, comic Lucifer shits on Morpheus. Kinda has a reputation for being OP in hypothetical fights between characters. What that image is saying is that Dreams give power to the structure of Hell, not anything about Lucifer’s personal power.
Nothing in the image you posted disputes that Lucifer is more powerful than Dream, because he isn't.
In fact Lucifer actually gets his revenge. Giving Morpheus the keys to hell is what kills him.
Does he die from that? I don't remember all the details, but from what I recall in that story he ended up giving the key to the angels, rescuing his ex, and then tells everyone else to frick off
It's only way later that the kindly ones hunt Dream down, because he killed his son.
When all the various gods show up to petition him for hell he makes a deal with Loki and eventually Loki stabs him in the back which leads to the other things you described. Although it's pretty plainly stated in the later books that Dream was inclined to be self-destructive and kinda knew what he was getting into
I guess it led to his death in a roundabout way then, but I don't think Lucifer planned ahead that far. If I remember right he legitimately wanted out, and was just killing two birds with one stone when he gave the key to Dream as a final frick you.
It's obvious Dream already knew, even Death told him he could have BTFO the furies if he remained in the Dreaming, thing that he didn't do. Because, in the end, Dream didn't want to be saved.
so Sandman has a sad ending?
It depends on how you see it. Honestly a lot of shit happened between volumes, so your opinion on the ending could be optimistic or pessimistic depending on certain moments or characters.
If you consider funerals sad, sure
Dream is more powerful in the dreaming, and probably still would get his ass whooped. He says as much himself.
> I am a pozzed Netflix adaptation of an otherwise beloved work
>I am the fecal matter leaking out of a rotten hollywood israelites butthole and making it's way to your television screen.
> I am the IRS
>I am a mossad agency
> I am an oven
>I am the brainwashed american greatest generation
> I am your child, lazy, entitled and sexually confused
>I am israelites pozzing your educational institutions
Jews have already been invoked, you lose
>OHHH NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will post the original game so you can decide for yourself.
Fixed the last page for you
Well played sir, well played
>What kills Hope
>Black folk
Well played.
Wouldn't the demon instinctively say despair?
Hope beats despair, though. You can't fall into despair until you have lost hope, as long as you have it despair has no power over you.
I am the Graves of Your Children
I am my new fertile 20yo wife's positive pregnancy test
>You can't fall into despair until you have lost hope
then despair can beat hope
No, because that isn't beating hope. Its an absence of hope. If the other player is hope, you have to DEFEAT what they have chosen, just just declare it is already absent.
Its the same reason why Dream can't respond to 'anthrax' with 'a healthy body'. That doesn't beat anthrax, thats trying to walk back the other players choice and thats a loss.
This thread is discussing how bad the show is. The Oldest Game isn't about what either of you buttholes are talking about anyway. It's about imagination. I'll play with you right now.
I am the rat all knawing and all knowing
We are your parents' unfathomably vast disappointment in you.
>all knawing
I am your English teacher, loud laughing, score marking
What is despair
:'(
Slurg!
I liked this scene when I first read the comic, but yeah, as people say, there's no reason the game wouldn't always end like this. If you can go from anthrax to planet there's no reason you couldn't go straight from wolf to devourer of worlds.
Or simply "victory," which, by definition, cannot be defeated, or else it isn't a victory.
I guess you could say "old age" or "complacency"
Well, it'd turn into an arms race at that point. If every demon goes "lol, end of the universe" as soon at it's their turn, everyone would figure out a way to deal with it.
Also, there's a natural step-by-step to the whole thing. Each thing is an answer to the previous one. Going from Tiger straight to Armageddon might be ruled invalid.
I am HOPE? More like I am COPE, amiright?
yeah, much better in every way
The setting in the jazz club and the suit on Morpheus gives this far more personality. Not making Lucifer fight here makes him look far more dangerous because he is not being beaten here and makes you think that he would be smarter than this Demon. Sandman doesn't fumble and doesn't have to be saved by Paton Oswald bird and shows his skill and intelligence. And design of Morpheus is far better. Yeah. Comic wins. And I think the first point is the biggest winner here. This scene has so much personality and the show lacks that. Even with other things like for instance the scenery where the old guy with a violin is visited by death. His house in comics is a ruin, he looks pathetic and sad. And in the show it's all clean and boring.
I could counter-argue that using Lucifer is necessary to establish a more direct confrontation between him and dream. Also it avoids using CGI for the character
I think the lack of personality comes from the color palette they choose: it's too stable and dark for something like sandman that's basically a LSD trip on every page
Those two aren't really antagonists in the comic, though
>more direct confrontation
It was just a hook/cliffhanger for future issues, and all it amount to was "nah I quit lol"
Honestly I think they will keep Lucifer around for season 2, maybe he will go in Dream's castle too with all the other guest to troll Dream
I'm sure they will keep he around for cameos, but I doubt Lucifer will be an ongoing antagonist. That seems to be the plan for Desire, even though Desire isn't all that super involved later on either.
don't know, i think they will try to do what they did with the Corinthian this season, having Lucifer pop up from time to time during s2
also if i'm not mistaken they said they calibrated everything for 5 seasons, so 2 books per season
I am erect with how many of the writers will get shit canned after this travesty gets cancelled.
sorry, but it seems to be pretty successful so far and normie are eating this shit up
Overture is an lsd trip on every page, thanks to JH Williams. Sandman is a c student art school portfolio on every page.
frick the recolor though
this shit is moronic, it’s like saying “gun” when playing rock paper scissors as a kid
It's writer-wank. Every pencil jockey wants to think his skill with words matters to anyone in order to offset his childhood of getting the shit kicked out of him for being a little homosexual.
Gaiman is literally a cuck in real life.
This really bothered me in the show because of my autism. They skipped the fly and the spider and went straight from the hunter to the snake. But Dream specified that he was the hunter, not the hunter and the horse, he shouldn't have been poisoned. It just felt sloppy, that's the kind of distinction that would be crucial in a game like this.
is this real or an edit?
Haven't read it in years, but that's how I remember it going.
I didn't even know art this bad existed prior to MS paint
I think you meant art this soulful
I could shit a better comic than this.
You couldn't if you tried your absolute hardest.
Sandman overture mogs the original series' art so much its unreal.
The main series was pretty meh if we compare it with the spin-offs. In the spin-offs is when the Endless have their time to shine.
Okay, post your example of good comic art so I can laugh.
This comic was made after MS Paint came out.
Yeah, the art is not the strongest point of Sandman
> I am hope, what can defeat hope?
Inceldom.
As above, so below.
Looks like a sober Dylan Moran
Time.
You're a troony
6'5'' tall
hairy everywhere
40 years old
non passing
Shots fired
David Bowie?
David Bowie? More like David Blowie, am I right, Mick?
Look how they keep massacring my boy.
>graphic novel series all about free will, freedom from predestination, finding new planes of existence, becoming a Creator and ultimately leaving all that he has ever known for the sake of being outside of other people's plans and visions so he could be himself unto himself without accommodating others or reacting to their actions
I love the original series so much.
What really got me about it is how amazing a show it could have been if it was done in good faith.
It will never be done because it would require a faithful adaptation and I honestly can't remember if I ever saw one. And the faithful adaptation would be too unironically considered too high handed when it's not.
At least Netflix Sandman tried unlike Fox’s Lucifer
Comparing shit to garbage does not gold make
I couldn't find the stupid archive but basically: the sandman the main character all the fans of the comic came to see is painted as an incompetent and impotent plot device to allow STRONG BLACK(I guess one is white including Constantine) WOMEN to talk down to, berate and lead by the hand. His opinions and motivations are largely meaningless in the face of these shoehorned female power fantasies. Even without the abominable casting Morpheus is a side character in his own show only serving as a fixture for which other characters may portray themselves.
This is not the sandman of the comics he does not arrive from his moment in prison as a character that is attempting to reconcile his disconnection to the mortal world. The sandman is portrayed as a loutish moron who must be told where to go or what to do by side characters. Even his character progression is bastardized where only a condescending female character must tell him how to behave.
How many characters are low-key based on David Bowie?
It should be illegal to use a photo so heavily edited in promotional materials. She looks like a granny in the series.
>ACK
this felt more stupid in live action.
How is it different than kids screaming "I have mega infinite shield that block everything, I win"
>How is it different than kids screaming "I have mega infinite shield that block everything, I win
Adults knows what metaphysics are, if you don't understand what they are or why they're important then you are nothing more than a child throwing a tantrum
>adults knows
GOOD MORNING SIR ADULTKESH!
Sandmangays, answer me this: who the frick is Joanne Constantine?
John Constantine gender flipped. In the comics she was an ancestor of John from the 1800s
Well she is from the 1800s in the show as well. She makes an appearance in that episode where they keep meeting at the tavern, but they didn't really elaborate it further.
I believe what they did was they removed John Constantine entirely and made Joanne immortal.
since they couldn't use John for copyright reasons, they used Johanna (john's ancestor that Gaiman created)
Still it's weird since they kept Johanna (in 1789) for Hob's episode so i'm not sure how they are going to explain that since they appear to be different characters as she didn't seem to know Dream and her backstory is from John (newcastle and astra)
Truth.
>watch this show.
>cgi is garbage, cast and script are like some low Budget sunday afternoon show from the 90ies. Like relic hunter or robin hood.
>didnt read the comics because I am a lazy Black person.
Okay comicgays, explain why the show is ass. So far I enjoyed it as trashy 2nd monitor timewaster.
It lacks the visual aesthetics from the comic
other than
>diversity
sandman is a dream-like experience in the pages with some nice imaginations and themes on display, especially in the art. If you want to try, read volume 4 Seasons of the Mist. It's basically a stand alone it will tell you anything you need to know about the sandman experience
it's also one of the few comics that wasn't milked to death and even recent sequels have been very limited compared to pretty much any other thing DC owns. it's 75 issues + a couple of specials, a 7 issues prequel and that's it.
i know, but both the comics and the series wants us to believe they are
>one day we will destroy him
is how that issue ends
Can't really think of a better way to describe it than Netflix. One character has been genderswapped into a young, sassy lesbian who teams up with a lesbian Indian priest to officiate a British Princess' wedding to a black guy. None of this is in the comic.
Really? That wasnt in the comics? I've always thought homosexual shit was neil gaimans signature.
I wondered why death looked underwhelming
Atleast charles dance got his paycheck.
It's surprisingly subdued in the comic.
>I've always thought homosexual shit was neil gaimans signature
Nah, not even Gayman was this blatant in the comics.
>tit for tat power level jackoff contest with lucifer, the character synonymous with pride
>lucifer doesnt assert himself as the final answer
moronic. modern writers are like kids who see a shiny button and can't leave it alone.
it's because lucifer herself had hope she would one day return to Heaven
This spits on the entire character of Lucifer. He would rather die than return to Heaven.
that's what his pride says, not his hope
Hope 2: Bigger, Better, Blacker
i hate netflix so much
It's pure cancer
If only russia started a world war and shot some nukes into cali
Posting this in every thread for collective nausea
I just watched "The sound of her wings" and besides the actress being black, she is just ok, the contrast between her and Dream I think it should be more striking. What really disappointed me was the dead baby not speaking to Death, I was looking forward to it (I always imagined the baby speaking in an adult voice). They have chickened out so much. In "24 hours" too, they cut the animalistic hour.
I liked the Hob part much more, I didn't remember that episode from the comics so much, but it's a nice story.
The problem is they have created an environment where their demand for black actors exceeds the amount of decent black actors that exist. I would have been fine with Lucien/Death being race or gender swapped if the actors they hired were actually capable of bringing something to the significant roles they've been handed. But nope, it's the same daytime-soap tier performance they all give.
Wait WHAT? REALLY? THEY BLACKWASHED DEATH?
Yep, and like half of the cast
It wouldn't be the first time. I would post the black death he was replaced with but google images is down right now
That one is an original work and it's not like the first death didn't exist.
wow, even in their wokeness quotas they're unoriginal
I just watched the episode, she was fine but episode was so boring
She's cute and has a nice body
But her acting is shit.
I wasn't even offended that she's black. I'm offended at her bad acting
It's lame as frick she's not comic accurate goth, but the actress is 1 of 10 black women I genuinely want to frick.
I'd frick her, but only because I have very low standards, she objectively is pretty ugly. wasn't as bad as I expected, though, and I genuinely liked her episode, but fricking up the source material for the identity politics sake is still bad..
I wrote a couple lengthy criticisms of this show in a thread yesterday but the jannies deleted it. I'll keep it short today: this show was hot garbage.
Just copy and paste it.
i was enjoying the show until he got his stuff back, then some incredibly weird stuff started happening and I just kept skipping 90% of the episodes.
Dude looks like the israelite mobster from Boardwalk Empire. Can't take him seriously.
Experience
>I am experience. A life lived in squalor, pain and fear. Hope Quenching, Persistence destroying.
woke beats hope everytime. for example, I had hope this woke garbage would actually have some decent parts reminiscent of the comics but alas.
Ep six is the only one that comes close. Only time in the entire series where he actually uses his powers to make a stronk wamen shut the frick up. I'm a little suspicious they included it to keep actual fans on the hook for a bit longer.
Why is every other person gay or black?
How does nobody realize how ridiculous this representation is?
is it?
https://reason.com/2021/02/24/as-generation-z-comes-of-age-america-is-getting-noticeably-more-lgbt/
There is a valid point to be made here. Im not against the race changing of the characters itself, but it IS weird that i can't think of a single asian or hispanic or muslim character in the entire show, not even a minor one. It is white people and black people pretty much exclusively, and thats just as artificial and weird as it being only white people.
Diversity doesn't mean 'black people', and forcing that interpretation is actively harmful.
Cain and Abel have been cast as Asian
lmao, if any they would have been black thanks to the "Out of Africa" theory.
Thought they were Middle Eastern, that would’ve been pretty fitting
Besides these fellas and the chinky CEO everyone else is literally a homosexual or nog. There are just way too many blacks and gays and it’s jarring as frick. Blacks are 11% of the population and gays even less so seeing so many comes off just wrong
And of course every straight white dude is fricking evil
>pic
If you let Black folk live rent free in your head then you are not doing things right
It's all bong actors, and bongs have like 1% Blacks. The other day someone try to claim they "cast the best actor for the role."
Yea, I guess by confidence 50%+ of the roles went to 1% of the population cause they are just that good and talented.
>How does nobody realize how ridiculous this representation is?
LGBT do not longer want representation, that has been achieve. The next goal is total replacement of reality
>gay or black
or both
>I am COPE
>Trump can still win
>The vaxies will die in 2 more weeks
>Have you seen the last Hunter Biden dick pic?
>Traps will be accepted in the ethnostate
>The vaxies will die in 2 more weeks
they have been dying for over a year now
who is tiffany dover?
Queer Black girl magic.
How bad is American Gods? I've avoided that show like the plague because it's one of my favorite contemporary pieces of fiction and I'd really not like to see it lobotomized.
s1 is fine, everything else is dogshit because they thought they got a franchise and they destroyed blocking the plot of the book
This. Season 1 is worth watching just so you can see what they did with it, which is legitimately interesting. But seasons 2 and three really, really lose the thread.
Worse than the Sandman adaptation, by FAR. Also, all the people hating on the Death casting probably hasn't seen the series. She was one of the highlights of the show, she really portrayed the compassion of Death well.
The problem is not the acting, is the casting.
ya they shouldve casted a naked woman with big pale booba.
Mommy Death would've been a lot better and work as a solid juxtaposition to the lanky Basedman.
>Make sure there's at least one gay or black person on screen at all times
I don't really typically care about the diversity force feeding in modern movies/tv-shows, but this is just fricking embarrassing and they are trying way too hard.
Sandman reference
He isn't hope though. If reality is real, he is the unreal.
Reality
mindbending drugs, like giving someone LSD then putting them in a haunted house setup
/tv/
What the FRICK is going on with the stretched aspect ratio
Reality
>I am Job
Oh come on, Job had a lot of hope in him, in spite of all the calamities God showered on him to test his faith.
>I am a nightmare walking, psychopath talking
King of my jungle just a gangster stalking
How do you respond?
>I am a man kneeling on your back
Jews
>what can defeat hope?
facts
Such a shame, just finished the last episode and the show was disappointingly corny and shit when it didn't need to be.
1. All women are lesbians.
What the frick is wrong with these people? Why does everyone have to be a homosexual?
2. Black folk are above all things virtuous and wise beyond the dreams of normal men.
Have these people never met any Black folk? Who are they trying to kid with this shit?
Surprised no one mentioned how they named the israelite in one EP
Not really, they named A israelite, specifically the wandering israelite but it isn't explicitly naming all of israelitery.
> I am cringe, what can defeat cringe?
>> I am hope, what can defeat hope?
not watching your boring show
A woman.
A woman that marriages you and cheats on you with your best friend, keeps the house, the money and the children and puts your dog to sleep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapeshifting#Transformation_chase This type of battle, where players each shapeshift into forms that beat each other gradually, can be found all over European myths and fairy tales. Sword and Stone also has them with the Merlin vs Madam Mim fight.
Cast Thessaly. Dream's old girlfriend.
>Dream's old girlfriend
This girl was such a c**t
Black person Black person Black person homosexual Black person Black person homosexual Black personhomosexual Black person monkeys everywhere in everything homosexuals infesting every crevice. trash
And you still wont pick up the gun or do anything
makes you feel impotent doesnt it
back to jerking off I guess
>I am anti life
>Yeah? Well I am anti anti life!
Why didn't he think of this?
>I am poor computer graphics, ever cheap, Bangladeshi-formed
He's a big guy
whoa, he kinda is a big guy haha
I just do not for the life of me understand why in this scene they did live action regular size David Thewlis being lifted up by giant CGI Dream when they could have had CGI tiny David Thewlis being lifted up by live action regular size Dream
you know? would have been a lot less noticeable
Sirs, respect bollywood industry. In few year will be more powerful than Hollywood, our special effects just better
embarrassing
What the frick is the "duel"? They're just talking at each other.
Its a battle of wits
if you frick up your words you're tortured for eternity
its loaded in favor of brits tho
It's basically a fantasy version of that game kids play where they pretend to have superpowers and keep one upping each other
>bro I can shoot fireballs
>well I can move super fast and dodge all of them
>but I can stop time, so you can't move
>actually I can read and control minds so I'd know if you were going to do it and I'd stop you
>I am a T-rex!
>Well I am a meteor!
>Nuh uh, I am a Sun, I'm way stronger
>Fine, I'm a black hole!
What the frick is this childish shit? Is this how 'gods' fight?
Its a comic book written in the 80's
Its basically Shakespeare relative to the competition
Why not just say you're Madara Uchiha on the first turn and win automatically?
because you can respond with I'm a backstabbing ayylien.
well I'm 6 paths sage mode Naruto with both Ying and Yang Kurama
Yeah well Im nuclear radiation
You still lose. You need to have ying yang rinnegan sasuke, chakra tattoo sakura AND double sharingan kakashi that conveniently figures out how to do perfect susano on the spot. Half the ass pulls in the series happen in that fight. Literally the only thing naruto does is reverse harem jutsu.
Baryon Mode Naruto is stronger than all of them combined
The funny thing about your pedantic homosexualry is that Gaiman would agree. He fully admits the first volume was awkward.
Biblically there is one. The Wrath of God. When Jesus said "Abba why have you forsaken me" it was because God's wrath killed the hope inside of Jesus.
>diner scene
>every character is gay or minority
>the one white couple both reveal to be gay
>the two white guys are evil
its all so tiresome. even getting past constantine being a lesbian with a black girlfriend
>hey, SHE'S the CEO
This was the scene that I was going to judge the entire adaptation on. If they got this scene right, I could have forgiven any miscasts or other changes. I've only watched the first episode and dont think I can stomach anymore, but if this is what we get for the diner scene, I think I can confidently drop it.
theres an asian female black male relationship, where the asian woman is apowerful CEO and they call the black guy her a trophy husband. every single character in this scene is as over the top as this (except the nerdy guy who is there for her to cheat on her husband with)
SUBVERTED
How is the cook evil?
Dream could have just said to Lucifer
>I am your daddy, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent.
soul crushing reality?
Jews
israelites
Didn't Gordon-Levitt wanted to make a Sandman movie? What happened to that project?
>I am Madara Uchiha. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.
I know nothing about the adaptation and haven't seen anything from it, but do they show this story and if so is it done well? I would watch it solely for this one.
Given the casting trends Im assuming Joshua is played by a black woman.
>Emperor Norton
I don't think they will do justice to that story.
A bunch of gay Black folk.
Another home run stream piggy xisters, how do they do it
Is there a source on Tachiyomi that will let me read western comics like Sandman?
why is everybody gay or black in this show outside the lead and the villains?
i mean i know why, it was made by a fricking israelite, but where are the hispanics and sians etc? blacks make up only 13% of US population not 80%.
Hollywood people operate under the assumption that no amount of representation of non-whites, gays, and women is ever too much. It's just been that way for long enough that it's actually coloring people's real life perception of the world.
I know. I managed as far as finishing episode 6, the death one, and have stopped mid episode 7
it only gets worse from there
pretty much this.
and netflix apparently doesn't care their base keeps leaving
why the frick is this so long? 10 episodes and can't even get past the first without being bored to shit.
Hope Solo. She has nudes.
>evil white couple keeping a Black child in thier basement
Why was Lucifer not Tom Ellis?
missed opportunity
Why was Lucifer not Peter Stormare?
tom ellis did it more recently, it should have been him
Time
ez, i am modern society
the death of hope
>I am a 40 hour work week
>I am an amazon cagie wagie
>what can defeat hope
A Disney production.
>i am a nova, planet-cremating
>shows meteor crashing
you can't make this shit up
>what can defeat hope?
Actuality.
worst part of this scene was dopey patton oswalt talking over all of it and supplying the answer