> I am hope, what can defeat hope?

> I am hope, what can defeat hope?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There's special red oak tree from which you can carve stake and kill hope mikaelson

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Big tattas are for loving not killing

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    big hope

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Despair?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Hot crazy woman

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Forgot the pic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Despair?
      In the comics is somehow implied that despair created hope, and accidentally killed herself with her creation

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cinemaphile kills my hope every day

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Existential dread. Depression.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    When I first read the book I though this was kind of a cool scene but when you think about it, wouldn't every version of "the oldest game" just end this way forever once somebody thought of this?

    >I am a thing
    >I am death
    >I am hope
    >okay then gg

    Like, in billions of years literally no one thought of this before?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      there's book?
      anyway maybe they've only played it like once before who knows

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >there's book?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      > in octodecillions of years literally no one thought of this before?
      I wonder about this multiple times a day, typically for bureaucracy related stuff

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The game kinda works only if you make it a rule that it has to be things directly linked and not a non-sequitur.

      >mouse > cat > dog > dog catcher
      ok

      >mouse > dinosaur > thanos > heat death of the universe
      not ok

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I guess that kinda makes sense. They did work their way up to it. But it still seems like unless one player was just a smoothbrain who wound up stumped by 'cat' every game would still end with these sort of nebulous catch-all ideas

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You strictly enforce the non-sequitor rule and also ban revisiting used concepts. For example if you've used nuclear war, you can't use it (or WMD in general). Becomes more challenging then you get into loops (eg. Nuclear war > wienerroaches).

          It becomes a game to steer the other person into situations you believe are unwinnable. Like a more complex game of that game where the first to 20 loses (each player must add 1, 2 or 3)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I think a big part of the game is that you 'become' whatever you claim to be. Saying 'hope' isn't enough since most beings would not be capable of the abstraction necessary to truly become Hope.
          Also Lucifer would almost certainly dunk on Dream. In the comic it's a random low-ranking demon that Lucifer promptly sends to get fricked and also tortured for losing.

          Dream is more powerful in Hell.
          The demons (Lucifer included) want to gang up on him but Dream asserts he's more powerful and they leave him alone.

          >Dream asserts he's more powerful and they leave him alone
          Lucifer is absolutely stronger than Dream at that point in the story and is probably stronger than him even when Dream is at his full power.

          Lucifer is the second most powerful character in the DC universe after God, they even mentioned it explicitly during the show that even with all of his tools Dream is nowhere near as powerful as Lucifer.
          [...]
          Yup, she looks absolutely frick all like that in the show, I'm not massively against her playing the character but at least use some digital wizardry on her for fricks sake.

          >Lucifer is the second most powerful character in the DC universe after God
          I do not believe this is necessarily true. For one, I don't think that Vertigo characters factor into 'normal' DC powerlevel charts or whatever. I'm sure there are a bunch of God-level beings that aren't the Abrahamic God and literal meta-fictional beings that are stronger than Lucifer.
          Also, in Lucifer (which I'm assuming is canon) there are a couple of beings as strong or stronger than Lucifer. Michael is one and I am pretty sure that the Basanos were implied to be more powerful than Lucifer but were constrained by some bullshit that kept them from doing whatever they wanted. Destiny is also probably 'more powerful' than Lucifer in that nothing Lucifer does can hurt or phase him.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this is such a moronic question, where does the hope come from? is it founded on anything or is just stubborn hope? if it’s not founded on anything then despair, if it is founded on something then the destruction of the foundation
        stupid ass game there are millions more questions you’d need to ask

        >mouse > cat > dog > dog catcher > animal rights advocates > bureaucratic red tape > ultraviolent ecoterrorists > FBI

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Hope is hope, simple as
          >ib4 nooo it needs a logic chain to woooork
          It doesn't, hope as concept isn't chained to any kind of logic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Then it loses to logic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      most people think of weapons and power. its not that theres no answer, but it caught him off guard and if you flinch, you lose type of deal in this war of words.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      “Hope” isn’t some sort of cheat code, Chronozon lost because he didn’t have a response ready

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If it was any other devil he would dunk on hope but Lucifer can't do it because that would mean his rebellion against god was pointless. If he followed on it he cpuld just pack it up and return to heaven.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it was "any other devil" in the comic. This stand-in bullshit was an alteration.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Netflix can't afford even the cheapest CGI effects
    My neighbors called police over my laugh. This how charater look in the comics and they can't even do this, what a hobo company.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand how they can drop the pale white skin and black eyes. It's a signature component of the character. He never looked human because he isn't.

      Having him just be a dude with dark hair is like making a hulk movie where the hulk doesn't even turn green. It's fricking unbelievable how lazy Netflix is with this shit

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        its laziness, they'll spend the money on producers and cinematographers but over and over again it's the same low quality costume/writing/sets

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        if he was walking around like Bale in the latest Thor movie it'd look moronic. You can't 1:1 comics to real life when they have art like this. this kind of character design only works in 2d.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I don't agree with you at all, it's just standards are so low. These dumbasses want you to think it's impossible to adapt a style into live action and thus that gives them permission to just change as much shit as humanly possible, because "le limits of le medium".

          Sin City managed to be stylised so it's not a particularly large leap from that to other properties, except with something like Sandman you are convining that stylisation to specific characters and not the entire presentation.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, Sin City looked like garbage.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              SHUT YOUR prostitute MOUTH

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Don't ever speak out loud again, Black person.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              What does look good then? You fricking homosexual

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >this kind of character design only works in 2d

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He looks like a cheap clown.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              yes that's a portrayal of a character called the crow.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, now imagine it's enhanced with LIGHT cgi use for the eyes and maybe hair for Dream.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                A sparkly clown sounds kinda gay

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        if he was walking around like Bale in the latest Thor movie it'd look moronic. You can't 1:1 comics to real life when they have art like this. this kind of character design only works in 2d.

        >if he was walking around like Bale in the latest Thor movie
        He is not even like that, Dream is basically like an albino with messy dark hair and weird eyes

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          how messy and weird?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Would've honestly been fantastic, maybe mess around with the eyes a bit.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            yes, exactly, how fricking hard would it have been to just do this. The actor has the right kind of look they just have to actually use, you know, makeup. Like it's an actual production

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Now that I look at this, it should have been Adam Driver

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's not ideal but having watched black books, I kept thinking of that of him as that misanthrope from the book store just awkwardly standing around in places.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He literally just looks like neil gaiman.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >makes constantine black haired
      >makes constantine a woman
      >makes constantine a lesbian
      I should've dropped this show at the homosexual couple in the first place, but I won't be tricked further into watching this.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >i am cope, what can defeat cope

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      cope<seethe<dilate

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      facts

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        My reality > Your facts

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I am sneed
      I am chuck
      I am frick

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >ugly Black person as death

    won't even pirate this shit

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking Black person Black folk and shit skin Black folk in british shows baka

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hate every scene this FtM gay is in.
    I'd rather just watch cain and abel for ten episodes

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    That's why I really don't like the changing from a minor demion to Lucifer.
    The original story works because the demon isn't really smart, and once Dream has found the pattern, he just gauds his opponent into a race featuring the same destructive motif until that final answer.
    Lucifer would/should have had an answer. There's quite a few that work.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Also Lucifer is probably the closest being in to god in terms of power so Sandy was entirely at the mercy of his honor

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Dream is more powerful in Hell.
        The demons (Lucifer included) want to gang up on him but Dream asserts he's more powerful and they leave him alone.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Lucifer is the second most powerful character in the DC universe after God, they even mentioned it explicitly during the show that even with all of his tools Dream is nowhere near as powerful as Lucifer.

          It should be illegal to use a photo so heavily edited in promotional materials. She looks like a granny in the series.

          Yup, she looks absolutely frick all like that in the show, I'm not massively against her playing the character but at least use some digital wizardry on her for fricks sake.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the show
            I was talking about the comic.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >That Lucifer
              Yeah I would definitely mistake him for female.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, comic Lucifer shits on Morpheus. Kinda has a reputation for being OP in hypothetical fights between characters. What that image is saying is that Dreams give power to the structure of Hell, not anything about Lucifer’s personal power.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Nothing in the image you posted disputes that Lucifer is more powerful than Dream, because he isn't.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                In fact Lucifer actually gets his revenge. Giving Morpheus the keys to hell is what kills him.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Does he die from that? I don't remember all the details, but from what I recall in that story he ended up giving the key to the angels, rescuing his ex, and then tells everyone else to frick off
                It's only way later that the kindly ones hunt Dream down, because he killed his son.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                When all the various gods show up to petition him for hell he makes a deal with Loki and eventually Loki stabs him in the back which leads to the other things you described. Although it's pretty plainly stated in the later books that Dream was inclined to be self-destructive and kinda knew what he was getting into

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I guess it led to his death in a roundabout way then, but I don't think Lucifer planned ahead that far. If I remember right he legitimately wanted out, and was just killing two birds with one stone when he gave the key to Dream as a final frick you.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It's obvious Dream already knew, even Death told him he could have BTFO the furies if he remained in the Dreaming, thing that he didn't do. Because, in the end, Dream didn't want to be saved.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                so Sandman has a sad ending?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It depends on how you see it. Honestly a lot of shit happened between volumes, so your opinion on the ending could be optimistic or pessimistic depending on certain moments or characters.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                If you consider funerals sad, sure

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Dream is more powerful in the dreaming, and probably still would get his ass whooped. He says as much himself.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > I am a pozzed Netflix adaptation of an otherwise beloved work

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I am the fecal matter leaking out of a rotten hollywood israelites butthole and making it's way to your television screen.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        > I am the IRS

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I am a mossad agency

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            > I am an oven

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >I am the brainwashed american greatest generation

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                > I am your child, lazy, entitled and sexually confused

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >I am israelites pozzing your educational institutions

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Jews have already been invoked, you lose

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >OHHH NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I will post the original game so you can decide for yourself.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Fixed the last page for you

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Well played sir, well played

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous
          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Fixed the last page for you

            >What kills Hope
            >Black folk
            Well played.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't the demon instinctively say despair?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Hope beats despair, though. You can't fall into despair until you have lost hope, as long as you have it despair has no power over you.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I am the Graves of Your Children

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I am my new fertile 20yo wife's positive pregnancy test

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >You can't fall into despair until you have lost hope
                then despair can beat hope

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No, because that isn't beating hope. Its an absence of hope. If the other player is hope, you have to DEFEAT what they have chosen, just just declare it is already absent.

                Its the same reason why Dream can't respond to 'anthrax' with 'a healthy body'. That doesn't beat anthrax, thats trying to walk back the other players choice and thats a loss.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                This thread is discussing how bad the show is. The Oldest Game isn't about what either of you buttholes are talking about anyway. It's about imagination. I'll play with you right now.
                I am the rat all knawing and all knowing

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                We are your parents' unfathomably vast disappointment in you.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >all knawing
                I am your English teacher, loud laughing, score marking

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            What is despair

            :'(

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Slurg!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I liked this scene when I first read the comic, but yeah, as people say, there's no reason the game wouldn't always end like this. If you can go from anthrax to planet there's no reason you couldn't go straight from wolf to devourer of worlds.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Or simply "victory," which, by definition, cannot be defeated, or else it isn't a victory.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I guess you could say "old age" or "complacency"

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well, it'd turn into an arms race at that point. If every demon goes "lol, end of the universe" as soon at it's their turn, everyone would figure out a way to deal with it.
            Also, there's a natural step-by-step to the whole thing. Each thing is an answer to the previous one. Going from Tiger straight to Armageddon might be ruled invalid.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I am HOPE? More like I am COPE, amiright?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, much better in every way

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The setting in the jazz club and the suit on Morpheus gives this far more personality. Not making Lucifer fight here makes him look far more dangerous because he is not being beaten here and makes you think that he would be smarter than this Demon. Sandman doesn't fumble and doesn't have to be saved by Paton Oswald bird and shows his skill and intelligence. And design of Morpheus is far better. Yeah. Comic wins. And I think the first point is the biggest winner here. This scene has so much personality and the show lacks that. Even with other things like for instance the scenery where the old guy with a violin is visited by death. His house in comics is a ruin, he looks pathetic and sad. And in the show it's all clean and boring.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I could counter-argue that using Lucifer is necessary to establish a more direct confrontation between him and dream. Also it avoids using CGI for the character

        I think the lack of personality comes from the color palette they choose: it's too stable and dark for something like sandman that's basically a LSD trip on every page

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Those two aren't really antagonists in the comic, though

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >more direct confrontation
          It was just a hook/cliffhanger for future issues, and all it amount to was "nah I quit lol"

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly I think they will keep Lucifer around for season 2, maybe he will go in Dream's castle too with all the other guest to troll Dream

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I'm sure they will keep he around for cameos, but I doubt Lucifer will be an ongoing antagonist. That seems to be the plan for Desire, even though Desire isn't all that super involved later on either.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                don't know, i think they will try to do what they did with the Corinthian this season, having Lucifer pop up from time to time during s2

                also if i'm not mistaken they said they calibrated everything for 5 seasons, so 2 books per season

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I am erect with how many of the writers will get shit canned after this travesty gets cancelled.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                sorry, but it seems to be pretty successful so far and normie are eating this shit up

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Overture is an lsd trip on every page, thanks to JH Williams. Sandman is a c student art school portfolio on every page.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      frick the recolor though

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this shit is moronic, it’s like saying “gun” when playing rock paper scissors as a kid

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's writer-wank. Every pencil jockey wants to think his skill with words matters to anyone in order to offset his childhood of getting the shit kicked out of him for being a little homosexual.

        Gaiman is literally a cuck in real life.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This really bothered me in the show because of my autism. They skipped the fly and the spider and went straight from the hunter to the snake. But Dream specified that he was the hunter, not the hunter and the horse, he shouldn't have been poisoned. It just felt sloppy, that's the kind of distinction that would be crucial in a game like this.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      is this real or an edit?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Haven't read it in years, but that's how I remember it going.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't even know art this bad existed prior to MS paint

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I think you meant art this soulful

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Okay, post your example of good comic art so I can laugh.

              I could shit a better comic than this.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You couldn't if you tried your absolute hardest.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the art is not the strongest point of Sandman

                This comic was made after MS Paint came out.

                Okay, post your example of good comic art so I can laugh.

                Sandman overture mogs the original series' art so much its unreal.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The main series was pretty meh if we compare it with the spin-offs. In the spin-offs is when the Endless have their time to shine.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, post your example of good comic art so I can laugh.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            This comic was made after MS Paint came out.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, the art is not the strongest point of Sandman

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > I am hope, what can defeat hope?
    Inceldom.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    As above, so below.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like a sober Dylan Moran

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Time.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You're a troony

    6'5'' tall
    hairy everywhere
    40 years old
    non passing

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Shots fired

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      David Bowie?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        David Bowie? More like David Blowie, am I right, Mick?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Look how they keep massacring my boy.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >graphic novel series all about free will, freedom from predestination, finding new planes of existence, becoming a Creator and ultimately leaving all that he has ever known for the sake of being outside of other people's plans and visions so he could be himself unto himself without accommodating others or reacting to their actions
        I love the original series so much.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What really got me about it is how amazing a show it could have been if it was done in good faith.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It will never be done because it would require a faithful adaptation and I honestly can't remember if I ever saw one. And the faithful adaptation would be too unironically considered too high handed when it's not.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            At least Netflix Sandman tried unlike Fox’s Lucifer

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Comparing shit to garbage does not gold make

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I couldn't find the stupid archive but basically: the sandman the main character all the fans of the comic came to see is painted as an incompetent and impotent plot device to allow STRONG BLACK(I guess one is white including Constantine) WOMEN to talk down to, berate and lead by the hand. His opinions and motivations are largely meaningless in the face of these shoehorned female power fantasies. Even without the abominable casting Morpheus is a side character in his own show only serving as a fixture for which other characters may portray themselves.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                This is not the sandman of the comics he does not arrive from his moment in prison as a character that is attempting to reconcile his disconnection to the mortal world. The sandman is portrayed as a loutish moron who must be told where to go or what to do by side characters. Even his character progression is bastardized where only a condescending female character must tell him how to behave.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        How many characters are low-key based on David Bowie?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It should be illegal to use a photo so heavily edited in promotional materials. She looks like a granny in the series.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >ACK

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    this felt more stupid in live action.
    How is it different than kids screaming "I have mega infinite shield that block everything, I win"

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >How is it different than kids screaming "I have mega infinite shield that block everything, I win
      Adults knows what metaphysics are, if you don't understand what they are or why they're important then you are nothing more than a child throwing a tantrum

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >adults knows
        GOOD MORNING SIR ADULTKESH!

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sandmangays, answer me this: who the frick is Joanne Constantine?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      John Constantine gender flipped. In the comics she was an ancestor of John from the 1800s

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Well she is from the 1800s in the show as well. She makes an appearance in that episode where they keep meeting at the tavern, but they didn't really elaborate it further.

        I believe what they did was they removed John Constantine entirely and made Joanne immortal.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      since they couldn't use John for copyright reasons, they used Johanna (john's ancestor that Gaiman created)

      Still it's weird since they kept Johanna (in 1789) for Hob's episode so i'm not sure how they are going to explain that since they appear to be different characters as she didn't seem to know Dream and her backstory is from John (newcastle and astra)

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Truth.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >watch this show.
    >cgi is garbage, cast and script are like some low Budget sunday afternoon show from the 90ies. Like relic hunter or robin hood.
    >didnt read the comics because I am a lazy Black person.

    Okay comicgays, explain why the show is ass. So far I enjoyed it as trashy 2nd monitor timewaster.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It lacks the visual aesthetics from the comic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      other than
      >diversity

      sandman is a dream-like experience in the pages with some nice imaginations and themes on display, especially in the art. If you want to try, read volume 4 Seasons of the Mist. It's basically a stand alone it will tell you anything you need to know about the sandman experience

      it's also one of the few comics that wasn't milked to death and even recent sequels have been very limited compared to pretty much any other thing DC owns. it's 75 issues + a couple of specials, a 7 issues prequel and that's it.

      Those two aren't really antagonists in the comic, though

      i know, but both the comics and the series wants us to believe they are
      >one day we will destroy him
      is how that issue ends

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Can't really think of a better way to describe it than Netflix. One character has been genderswapped into a young, sassy lesbian who teams up with a lesbian Indian priest to officiate a British Princess' wedding to a black guy. None of this is in the comic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Really? That wasnt in the comics? I've always thought homosexual shit was neil gaimans signature.

        Posting this in every thread for collective nausea

        I wondered why death looked underwhelming

        Atleast charles dance got his paycheck.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's surprisingly subdued in the comic.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I've always thought homosexual shit was neil gaimans signature
          Nah, not even Gayman was this blatant in the comics.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >tit for tat power level jackoff contest with lucifer, the character synonymous with pride
    >lucifer doesnt assert himself as the final answer

    moronic. modern writers are like kids who see a shiny button and can't leave it alone.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it's because lucifer herself had hope she would one day return to Heaven

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This spits on the entire character of Lucifer. He would rather die than return to Heaven.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          that's what his pride says, not his hope

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hope 2: Bigger, Better, Blacker

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i hate netflix so much

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's pure cancer

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If only russia started a world war and shot some nukes into cali

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Posting this in every thread for collective nausea

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I just watched "The sound of her wings" and besides the actress being black, she is just ok, the contrast between her and Dream I think it should be more striking. What really disappointed me was the dead baby not speaking to Death, I was looking forward to it (I always imagined the baby speaking in an adult voice). They have chickened out so much. In "24 hours" too, they cut the animalistic hour.
      I liked the Hob part much more, I didn't remember that episode from the comics so much, but it's a nice story.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is they have created an environment where their demand for black actors exceeds the amount of decent black actors that exist. I would have been fine with Lucien/Death being race or gender swapped if the actors they hired were actually capable of bringing something to the significant roles they've been handed. But nope, it's the same daytime-soap tier performance they all give.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wait WHAT? REALLY? THEY BLACKWASHED DEATH?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yep, and like half of the cast

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It wouldn't be the first time. I would post the black death he was replaced with but google images is down right now

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That one is an original work and it's not like the first death didn't exist.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            wow, even in their wokeness quotas they're unoriginal

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I just watched the episode, she was fine but episode was so boring

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She's cute and has a nice body
      But her acting is shit.

      I wasn't even offended that she's black. I'm offended at her bad acting

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's lame as frick she's not comic accurate goth, but the actress is 1 of 10 black women I genuinely want to frick.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I'd frick her, but only because I have very low standards, she objectively is pretty ugly. wasn't as bad as I expected, though, and I genuinely liked her episode, but fricking up the source material for the identity politics sake is still bad..

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wrote a couple lengthy criticisms of this show in a thread yesterday but the jannies deleted it. I'll keep it short today: this show was hot garbage.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just copy and paste it.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i was enjoying the show until he got his stuff back, then some incredibly weird stuff started happening and I just kept skipping 90% of the episodes.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Dude looks like the israelite mobster from Boardwalk Empire. Can't take him seriously.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Experience

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I am experience. A life lived in squalor, pain and fear. Hope Quenching, Persistence destroying.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    woke beats hope everytime. for example, I had hope this woke garbage would actually have some decent parts reminiscent of the comics but alas.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ep six is the only one that comes close. Only time in the entire series where he actually uses his powers to make a stronk wamen shut the frick up. I'm a little suspicious they included it to keep actual fans on the hook for a bit longer.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why is every other person gay or black?
    How does nobody realize how ridiculous this representation is?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      is it?

      https://reason.com/2021/02/24/as-generation-z-comes-of-age-america-is-getting-noticeably-more-lgbt/

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There is a valid point to be made here. Im not against the race changing of the characters itself, but it IS weird that i can't think of a single asian or hispanic or muslim character in the entire show, not even a minor one. It is white people and black people pretty much exclusively, and thats just as artificial and weird as it being only white people.

      Diversity doesn't mean 'black people', and forcing that interpretation is actively harmful.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Cain and Abel have been cast as Asian

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          lmao, if any they would have been black thanks to the "Out of Africa" theory.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Thought they were Middle Eastern, that would’ve been pretty fitting

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Besides these fellas and the chinky CEO everyone else is literally a homosexual or nog. There are just way too many blacks and gays and it’s jarring as frick. Blacks are 11% of the population and gays even less so seeing so many comes off just wrong

          And of course every straight white dude is fricking evil

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >pic
            If you let Black folk live rent free in your head then you are not doing things right

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's all bong actors, and bongs have like 1% Blacks. The other day someone try to claim they "cast the best actor for the role."
            Yea, I guess by confidence 50%+ of the roles went to 1% of the population cause they are just that good and talented.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >How does nobody realize how ridiculous this representation is?
      LGBT do not longer want representation, that has been achieve. The next goal is total replacement of reality

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >gay or black
      or both

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I am COPE
    >Trump can still win
    >The vaxies will die in 2 more weeks
    >Have you seen the last Hunter Biden dick pic?
    >Traps will be accepted in the ethnostate

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The vaxies will die in 2 more weeks
      they have been dying for over a year now
      who is tiffany dover?

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Queer Black girl magic.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How bad is American Gods? I've avoided that show like the plague because it's one of my favorite contemporary pieces of fiction and I'd really not like to see it lobotomized.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      s1 is fine, everything else is dogshit because they thought they got a franchise and they destroyed blocking the plot of the book

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This. Season 1 is worth watching just so you can see what they did with it, which is legitimately interesting. But seasons 2 and three really, really lose the thread.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Worse than the Sandman adaptation, by FAR. Also, all the people hating on the Death casting probably hasn't seen the series. She was one of the highlights of the show, she really portrayed the compassion of Death well.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is not the acting, is the casting.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          ya they shouldve casted a naked woman with big pale booba.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Mommy Death would've been a lot better and work as a solid juxtaposition to the lanky Basedman.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Make sure there's at least one gay or black person on screen at all times
    I don't really typically care about the diversity force feeding in modern movies/tv-shows, but this is just fricking embarrassing and they are trying way too hard.

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sandman reference

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He isn't hope though. If reality is real, he is the unreal.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reality

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    mindbending drugs, like giving someone LSD then putting them in a haunted house setup

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    /tv/

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What the FRICK is going on with the stretched aspect ratio

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reality

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I am Job

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Oh come on, Job had a lot of hope in him, in spite of all the calamities God showered on him to test his faith.

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I am a nightmare walking, psychopath talking
    King of my jungle just a gangster stalking
    How do you respond?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I am a man kneeling on your back

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Jews

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >what can defeat hope?
    facts

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Such a shame, just finished the last episode and the show was disappointingly corny and shit when it didn't need to be.

    1. All women are lesbians.

    What the frick is wrong with these people? Why does everyone have to be a homosexual?

    2. Black folk are above all things virtuous and wise beyond the dreams of normal men.

    Have these people never met any Black folk? Who are they trying to kid with this shit?

  50. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Surprised no one mentioned how they named the israelite in one EP

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, they named A israelite, specifically the wandering israelite but it isn't explicitly naming all of israelitery.

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > I am cringe, what can defeat cringe?

  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >> I am hope, what can defeat hope?
    not watching your boring show

  53. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A woman.
    A woman that marriages you and cheats on you with your best friend, keeps the house, the money and the children and puts your dog to sleep.

  54. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapeshifting#Transformation_chase This type of battle, where players each shapeshift into forms that beat each other gradually, can be found all over European myths and fairy tales. Sword and Stone also has them with the Merlin vs Madam Mim fight.

  55. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cast Thessaly. Dream's old girlfriend.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Dream's old girlfriend
      This girl was such a c**t

  56. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Black person Black person Black person homosexual Black person Black person homosexual Black personhomosexual Black person monkeys everywhere in everything homosexuals infesting every crevice. trash

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And you still wont pick up the gun or do anything
      makes you feel impotent doesnt it
      back to jerking off I guess

  57. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I am anti life
    >Yeah? Well I am anti anti life!
    Why didn't he think of this?

  58. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I am poor computer graphics, ever cheap, Bangladeshi-formed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He's a big guy

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        whoa, he kinda is a big guy haha

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I just do not for the life of me understand why in this scene they did live action regular size David Thewlis being lifted up by giant CGI Dream when they could have had CGI tiny David Thewlis being lifted up by live action regular size Dream
      you know? would have been a lot less noticeable

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sirs, respect bollywood industry. In few year will be more powerful than Hollywood, our special effects just better

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      embarrassing

  59. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick is the "duel"? They're just talking at each other.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Its a battle of wits
      if you frick up your words you're tortured for eternity
      its loaded in favor of brits tho

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's basically a fantasy version of that game kids play where they pretend to have superpowers and keep one upping each other
      >bro I can shoot fireballs
      >well I can move super fast and dodge all of them
      >but I can stop time, so you can't move
      >actually I can read and control minds so I'd know if you were going to do it and I'd stop you

  60. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I am a T-rex!
    >Well I am a meteor!
    >Nuh uh, I am a Sun, I'm way stronger
    >Fine, I'm a black hole!
    What the frick is this childish shit? Is this how 'gods' fight?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Its a comic book written in the 80's
      Its basically Shakespeare relative to the competition

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's basically a fantasy version of that game kids play where they pretend to have superpowers and keep one upping each other
        >bro I can shoot fireballs
        >well I can move super fast and dodge all of them
        >but I can stop time, so you can't move
        >actually I can read and control minds so I'd know if you were going to do it and I'd stop you

        Why not just say you're Madara Uchiha on the first turn and win automatically?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          because you can respond with I'm a backstabbing ayylien.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            well I'm 6 paths sage mode Naruto with both Ying and Yang Kurama

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah well Im nuclear radiation

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You still lose. You need to have ying yang rinnegan sasuke, chakra tattoo sakura AND double sharingan kakashi that conveniently figures out how to do perfect susano on the spot. Half the ass pulls in the series happen in that fight. Literally the only thing naruto does is reverse harem jutsu.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Baryon Mode Naruto is stronger than all of them combined

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Its a comic book written in the 80's
      Its basically Shakespeare relative to the competition

      The funny thing about your pedantic homosexualry is that Gaiman would agree. He fully admits the first volume was awkward.

  61. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Biblically there is one. The Wrath of God. When Jesus said "Abba why have you forsaken me" it was because God's wrath killed the hope inside of Jesus.

  62. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >diner scene
    >every character is gay or minority
    >the one white couple both reveal to be gay
    >the two white guys are evil

    its all so tiresome. even getting past constantine being a lesbian with a black girlfriend

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >hey, SHE'S the CEO

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This was the scene that I was going to judge the entire adaptation on. If they got this scene right, I could have forgiven any miscasts or other changes. I've only watched the first episode and dont think I can stomach anymore, but if this is what we get for the diner scene, I think I can confidently drop it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        theres an asian female black male relationship, where the asian woman is apowerful CEO and they call the black guy her a trophy husband. every single character in this scene is as over the top as this (except the nerdy guy who is there for her to cheat on her husband with)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      SUBVERTED

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How is the cook evil?

  63. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Dream could have just said to Lucifer
    >I am your daddy, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent.

  64. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    soul crushing reality?

  65. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Jews

  66. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    israelites

  67. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't Gordon-Levitt wanted to make a Sandman movie? What happened to that project?

  68. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I am Madara Uchiha. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.

  69. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I know nothing about the adaptation and haven't seen anything from it, but do they show this story and if so is it done well? I would watch it solely for this one.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Given the casting trends Im assuming Joshua is played by a black woman.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Emperor Norton
      I don't think they will do justice to that story.

  70. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A bunch of gay Black folk.

  71. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Another home run stream piggy xisters, how do they do it

  72. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a source on Tachiyomi that will let me read western comics like Sandman?

  73. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why is everybody gay or black in this show outside the lead and the villains?

    i mean i know why, it was made by a fricking israelite, but where are the hispanics and sians etc? blacks make up only 13% of US population not 80%.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Hollywood people operate under the assumption that no amount of representation of non-whites, gays, and women is ever too much. It's just been that way for long enough that it's actually coloring people's real life perception of the world.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I know. I managed as far as finishing episode 6, the death one, and have stopped mid episode 7

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it only gets worse from there

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        pretty much this.

        and netflix apparently doesn't care their base keeps leaving

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        why the frick is this so long? 10 episodes and can't even get past the first without being bored to shit.

  74. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hope Solo. She has nudes.

  75. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >evil white couple keeping a Black child in thier basement

  76. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why was Lucifer not Tom Ellis?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      missed opportunity

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why was Lucifer not Peter Stormare?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        tom ellis did it more recently, it should have been him

  77. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Time

  78. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ez, i am modern society
    the death of hope

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I am a 40 hour work week

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I am an amazon cagie wagie

  79. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >what can defeat hope
    A Disney production.

  80. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >i am a nova, planet-cremating
    >shows meteor crashing
    you can't make this shit up

  81. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >what can defeat hope?
    Actuality.

  82. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    worst part of this scene was dopey patton oswalt talking over all of it and supplying the answer

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