>I am prepared to raise 1,000 men, subsist them at my own expense and march them myself
to the relief of Boston.
>I am prepared to raise 1,000 men, subsist them at my own expense and march them myself
>I am prepared to raise 1,000 men, subsist them at my own expense and march them myself
to the relief of Boston.
We may yet have need of your generosity.
>Not generosity, Mr. Adams, duty.
It's crazy that the nation was founded by the most noble and wise geniuses of all time and now it's run by a bunch of women and retards
>noble and wise
owned slaves
lol
There is nothing wrong with owning slaves if its legal and you treat them well
It is absolutely immortal to own men and unattractive women.
Answer me this: who was better off, Jefferson and Washington's house slaves, or nogs in the projects in 2023 who are "raised" by a single crackmammy on EBT and go to sleep to the sound of gunshots every night, their only set course in life being joining a gang and hustling by the age of 12 before knocking up a girl at 14 and continuing the vicious cycle with a new spawn that suffers the same fate?
it was a good 200 years. and we could always bounce back
>created the most powerful country ever
>didn't make themselves emperors and noblemen
>not noble or wise
nigga please
Only because Americans mythologize their founders. In reality they just wanted power and autonomy like everyone else. The revolution was mostly a tax evasion scheme by rich landowning slavers
Tell us more, mr pitt
>Only because Americans mythologize their founders. In reality they just wanted power and autonomy like everyone else.
The American founders were a lot of things, but as a group they certainly were erudite (Franklin), ambitious (Jefferson), and zealous (Adams), while also possessing restraint and selflessness (Washington).
See the French Revolution for how much of a mess the founders could have left, if they had been lesser men (Danton and Robespierre).
Robespierre was based and he would have saved france if he hadn't been betrayed by the corrupt members of government he was going after.
and pretty much all of them were under 30. Franklin and Jefferson were the eldest, Washington was only 27 when he became president.
>27 year old men now
Washington was in his forties during the Revolution lmao
It was an egregious overstep of authority by Parliament, which had no business in mediating affairs between the Colonies and the King. Each colonial legislature was its own parliament, independent of that in London. The Stamp Act was an illegal abuse of American rights to finance an unneeded garrison that the British people neither needed nor wanted, for the sole purpose of keeping well-connected officers on the public dime.
It was there because the colonists were constantly starting wars and needed bailing out. The taxes were due to the French and Indian war.
What fucking wars, the French were gone
>In reality they just wanted power
They were all fucking saints (except for Hamilton, fuck that retard) compared to every single successful revolutionary that came from south of Rio Grande.
Hamilton was a genius and the architect of this nation's success. His only blemish was being too aggressive and pushing for open war with France when Adams and Jefferson accomplished his goals peacefully.
I read ron chernows hamilton before it was cool and made into a musical.
its kind of ruined just how badass hamilton was
He was only one who figured out that you actually need economy to have nation.
But other then that. Dude was retarded
i think getting murdered in a duel like an urban youth that scuffed someone's sneekers, and fucking other men's wives, was a bit of a blemish. But yeah, he's the reason USA is a single country, and powerful.
And what about the ones who didn't own slaves
>wanted power
>explicitly wrote a list of things the government wasn't allowed to do as part of the foundation of law
???
nta but economic power, not political power
freedom of speech is economic?
>In Congress, July 4, 1776
>The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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I could weep.
absolutely, revolutionarily kino
>Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
>He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
>He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
>He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
>He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
>He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
>He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
>He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
>He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
>He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
>He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
>He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
>He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
>He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
>For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
>For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
>For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
>For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
>For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
>For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
>For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
>For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
>For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
>He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
>He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
>He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
>He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
>He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
>In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
>Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
>We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Nearly everyone mythologizes their founders…
Quite the reddit take you got there bud.
America is Reddit: the country though
no that's the EU
Well, they have already been painted as evil so the new occupiers can rule easier. America is a dead nation, and it is just a wait until the economy gives out, because nothing else binds this nation together anymore.
You guys should go with that "peaceful divorce" thing and re-create the south as a separate nation with actual freedom, guns, god, the american way, gold-baked currency and closed borders. The coastal elites could keep going down their downward spiral in peace.
>thing and re-create the south as a separate nation
The South doesn't exist anymore its a brown shithole with holdout rural pockets in states like Kentucky and Tennessee but even still thats more Appalachia than any sort of Dixie legacy. To pretend otherwise is about as absurd as Californians and Texans pretending they still embody their states legacy.
>now
https://www.amazon.com/Fears-Setting-Sun-Disillusionment-Americas/dp/0691210233
America was founded for a Moral and Religious people, they had no idea that people would prefer to worship blacks and trannies and homosexuals.
It's crazy to think it was founded by a bunch of guys that just bounced around jobs like silversmith or reporter or fucking whatever and then into governors, diplomats, treasurers, generals, all because they were the only guys around that could read and write well and weren't complete peasant dipshits. And then once they got older a bunch of them killed each other through fucking duels because fuck it. Absolute mad lads, truly inspiring.
They were drunk 24/7 or doing Laudanum. Whata life.
>the most noble and wise geniuses of all time
do americans really
>noble
>wise
The USA was founded by a bunch of hypocrital slave owning rich dudes who didn't want to pay taxes so they convinced and coerced a bunch of retards that they should rebel against England because of muh freedom and still couldn't win without massive French support then when they did win they turned around and increased slavery even more and abandoned the French when they needed them and left their ancestors to deal with their short sighted economic policies and flooding the nation with negroes because they got theirs and didn't care what happened to the country after they died. Barely a decade after the last of the revolutionary fucks died America plunged into a civil war that devastated half the country to this very day.
Wise and noble lmao grow the fuck up, the USA was founded by boomers.
>muh slavery
Most of the Founding Fathers privately didn't care for slavery but only allowed its continuance out of necessity (Virginia being the economic powerhouse it was at the time would have immediately withdrew all support if slavery was outlawed). Also keep in mind that the FF intended for only white, male landowners to vote in their newly formed Republic, because that's who fought and bled for its creation. Nevertheless, Jefferson expressly states in quite a few letters that the "peculiar institution" is going to come to a head at some point for the future of the country.
There is literally nothing wrong with not wanting to pay taxes
subversive kike homosexualry
Could be worse. We could still have an orange Russian spy in the White House
Why did they speak like that?
they were israeli.
*weren't
Based Washington
That's a lot of money to pay for your own army. I wonder how he got all that money...
He was a farmer and surveyor. He mostly sold whiskey.
Probably had a worker or two on that farm eh?
yup he did. And the best part was he didn't have to pay them.
slavery was just another word for "low class". these so called slaves lived better than many other poor people. They had their own housing accommodations, all expenses paid, got to marry and have kids, had time off and in most documented cases they were treated like a beloved family friend. and there was a good chance master would let you have your freedom when he died and even then slaves would cry and not leave the plantation.
Aw sweet I love revisionism!
They were also the first people to receive a form of social security, as an old slave who stopped working was still the burden of the master to clothe, feed, and provide medical treatment for. Poor non-slaves just worked until they died.
How about part where sherman. Who was big fan of southerners. Eventually said.
I doubt there is one slave in whole south who would willingly return to their former owners if freed.
Yet they all ended up share cropping for their former masters
Yeah because a ton of southern towns made it illegal for former slave leave once reconstruction failed
>slavery was just another word for "low class"
Still is, they just flipped the term and call us low class now
They were treated like non-humans, the people that "cared" were rare. Liar.
>They were treated like non-humans
You truly haven't thought this analogy through.
That's not an analogy retard.
It literally is, you mongoloid.
He married a rich lady.
Just wait until the british ships get there and shoot fire arrows at them.
they were rockets
>I am increasingly persuaded that the earth belongs exclusively to the living and that one generation has no more right to bind another to it's laws and judgments than one independent nation has the right to command another.
i never watched this but hold the fuck up they got stannis the mannis to play based tommy j sticking his pecker in gorgeous negresses?
it's one of the greatest series HBO ever made stop reading this thread and watch it
Common misconception. It was actually Jefferson's brother that fucked slaves.
More like Jefferson's brotha.
And his father-in-law.
>”I would gladly lend my hand to sink the whole island of Great Britain in the ocean.”
He was too based for this world
how long did he have to leave the curlers in to achieve that look? SLAY QUEEN
I respect the man, but his fixation with frog homosexualry was unbased. Liberalism in a Catholic country makes about as much sense in a Muslim one.
It would've worked if Lafayette actually bothered with political intrigue before he was geriatric
Jefferson is smart, but this quote is dumb. Why would anyone sacrifice and build for a future that they'll never see, if they think that future generations will immediately shit on all of their most cherished values?
Burke's philosophy is more sound. A contract between the living, the dead, and those yet to be born.
>I sit in judgment of no man's religion, Mr. Dickinson But your Quaker sensibilities do us a gross disservice, sir.
>It is one thing to turn the other cheek, but to lie down in the ground like a snake and crawl toward the seat of power in abject surrender, well, that is quite another thing, sir.
Quaker abolitionism would be the mind-virus that started the Civil War. Richard Nixon was a Quaker btw.
there are approx 400,000 registered quakers today
Abolitionism (or at least the movement in the decades prior to the Civil War) was a decidedly New Englander movement. If the Quakers with their early anti slavery provisions weren’t present, it’s silly to say that an abolition movement wouldn’t still have taken root.
>Nixon was a Quaker btw
so what, Nixon was based
Civil war was started becouse south was acting retarded. South could have kept slavery going for long time if they weren't so idiotic.
Anti-slavery movement was movement by regular plebs in North who had no connection to slavery. Didn't have any economical ties to slavery and frankly didn't like those crazy southerners.
If you want to find core cause for abolitionist. Look at immigration. Europe had made slavery big no-no. Europeans immigrated to US. And imidietly started to shill for Anti slavery. German population was biggest movers and shakers. From marx to lowly soldiers in northen army.
>Adams strongly felt that he would be forgotten and underappreciated by history. These feelings often manifested themselves through envy and verbal attacks on other Founders.[160][345] Edmund Morgan argues, "Adams was ridiculously vain, absurdly jealous, embarrassingly hungry for compliments. But no man ever served his country more selflessly."
That sums it up pretty well
He was right in the end.
I humbly ask you to recognize my waifu Sarah Polley
Recognized. Seconded. Carry on.
Filthy traitors the lot of em.
>Gets shot in the face with a musket
Go eat your jellied eel you fucking freak
What was up with the dude who played the king?
I expected The Madness of King George and instead I got a lot of weird staring. Love this miniseries though it is 10/10
Every time I watch that scene I read five new emotions on King George, from rage to sadness to sheltered awkwardness to a concern for image and authority, and it’s just a glassy stare. I wonder what the direction is in the script for the specific emotion he was meant to be conveying but knowing would ruin the intrigue and ambiguity.
How did they get the balls to look at an entire world of divine right monarchies and think "nah fuck that"
the next logical step after the continuously reduced power of british kings, but they could get away with it in america.
They sailed across an ocean, crawled ashore in new lands, built their legacy from the ground up. Some poofter crying in bongland was peanuts compared to their day to day lives
Britain itself had already adopted parliamentary democracy with a (mostly) figurehead monarch ("constitutional monarchy"). As for the American colonials, they felt that their divine rights as Englishmen were not being respected, as they weren't adequately represented in the British Parliament.
By looking at the romans and greeks who'd done it already 2000 years prior
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689
Pretty much yeah
French monarchy paid for most of the bill (and crumbled under its newfound debt as a result).
Britain wasn’t a divine right monarchy after 1689
Unfortunately the country was never the same after the civil war, faith in the Monarchy shattered, but faith in Parliament was also shattered after Cromwell and yet by the time of 1689 we had both again along with all the problems associated with having both and none of the solutions. It was not ideal.
English Civil War already killed that.
DAE know the founding fathers were slaveholders?
Does it upset you that people know the truth, chud?
inb4 everyone was doing it
Everyone was not in fact doing it.
It upsets me that it becomes the only thing people know about them. I have seen countless youtube videos where effectively, the only thing the average person knows about Jefferson is that he owned slaves. At a point, it becomes apparent you are a malicious tumor who just seeks to destroy everything. When your false world fails, I am sure you will blame others.
Early slave trade hub synagogue check
There is literally NOTHING wrong with having a few cute black female slaves.
>It's a Colonel George Washington causes the French and Indian War episode
It was a great series.
Too bad the nation is dead.
>Unironically causes the French&Indian war
>Rebels over the increased taxes to pay for it (still lower than on the mainland)
>Taxes end up even higher after independence
tiresome individual
The revolution was never about the amount of taxes
Was it about representation? How's that representation working out for you when your system has chosen a Dementia patient who has more in common with the Irish Potato, a Reality TV star with an ego so out of line with his ability that he believes he is the second coming of Jesus, before that a half black man who won the Nobel Peace prize for bringing peace to the Middle East to then bomb and kill more civilians in his first year as President than his predecessor ever did in his entire 8 years as being President.
which production had better casting for Alexander Hamilton? HBO or Broadway?
The Broadway casting is an obvious insult
lin manuel miranda is the biggest homosexual of all time
Hamilton the musical was basically Miranda’s self-insert fantasy
Lmao I watched Hamilton with my wife during the covid meme without knowing what it was. I was basically that meme.of the guy ringing a bell. Completely ruined it for her.
Right then. This must be the John Adams thread. Quick disclaimer on the state of Washington and by extension, all Virginian fucking shits.
>Washington was a Virginian. This is equivalent to five Talents. Virginian Geese are all Swans. Not a Bearne in Scotland is more national, not a Lad upon the High Lands is more clannish, than every Virginian I have ever known. They trumpet one another with the most pompous and mendacious Panegyricks. The Phyladelphians and New Yorkers who are local and partial enough to themselves are meek and modest in Comparison with Virginian Old Dominionism.
The future prosperity of this John Adams thread rests chiefly on (You)s. (You)s depend, upon other things, the willingness of anons to shitpost. The first step would be to encourage shameless rephrasing of show quotes - the funnier the rephrasing, the greater the shitposting, and unto that end I have recommended to the thread that the anons rephrase as many quotes made during the show in this thread - the idea being that if anons continue bumping the thread, other anons will feel inclined to provide us (You)s
Excellent post
great idea. much better than amateur historians bickering.
Source: I made it up.
The shitposting interest of this board rests all with the trolls...so the shitposts will inevitably be concentrated in Sneed's Feed & Seed.
This clip erroneously asserts that Hamilton "educates" Jefferson on matters of international trade, but fails to realize that Jefferson effortlessly infers the true cause of the future Civil War as well as the resultant forfeiture of the country's sovereignty to ~~*moneyed interests*~~:
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>"I feel our Revolution would have been in vain if a Virginia farmer is to be held in hoc to a New York stockjobber who is in turn in hoc to a London banker!"
Kino fuckin show.
Well there you have it, as I have heard said. If this board were reddit, then no janitor would be necessary.
the greatest Cinemaphile post I've seen in weeks
God Damn right he was a Virginian. Full blooded motherfucker too.
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
>tfw Hamilton suggests creating a "temporary" central bank charter
He spent so much of his own money maintaining his troops that he basically went broke. By the time of his first inauguration he had to take out loans in order to travel to the ceremony.
One of the few based great men America had produced and I say this as a foreigner
Can someone tell me what show this thread is about?
Boruto episode 5
John Adams it’s good.
>John Adams was 15 years ago
God bless the name of Washington.
It's funny: I went through a series of stages about how I felt about the Founding Fathers -- the first is the typical appreciation that one would have for legends and myths, which is quite common in how other historical public figures are presented in their respective countries, with a kind of religious reverence added to it in American public school's case (this was pre-commie pozzing obviously). The second is learning that they were men with flaws (the most obvious of which is slavery), which tarnishes the childlike awe and wonder that came before it and evolved into feelings of disappointment and betrayal. The third and final stage is true admiration for what they accomplished and the foresight they had, for despite being crytpo-israelites due to a plurality being Freemasons, they truly tried to make a country where responsible citizens ruled, free to make their own destinies in peace and liberty.
Sadly, we have failed to keep the republic that they so tirelessly crafted and I fear we are too far gone to reclaim it.
I got to when Adams got sick and stopped. Should I finish it?
Washington took no pay during the revolution. All he asked was that congress cover his expenses, which made the (very poor) congress very happy. Washington proceeded to buy very expensive wines throughout the war and made congress seethe.
Sounds like an asshole move.
> Imagine living in a world where you can bankroll your own private army and found a nation.
This is what they took away from us all. See while that was obviously a very rare thing, at least it was possible. Literally impossible now. The israelite in office would put you in a secret torture prison as a terrorist for life.
>but Sir, Boston is a shithole full of queers and micks
Fash the nation did a fantastic deep dive and Washington the guy was a fucking loose cannon crazy how he became the president he was obsessed with fucking with people
GOD SAVE THE KING
Yeah because you're old ass decrepit queen finally kicked the bucket lmao
She was better than the fool you elected kek. He doesn't even know what he's doing half the time
I don't like Biden, or Trump.
>Everybody has freedom to what they want
>South tries to leave the union
>Get occupied
das rite
Oh no that's not how it works, once you join the US you can check out any time you want but you can never leave.
John Adams is easily the greatest miniseries ever made. The intro alone makes me want to start shooting Redcoats.
Same here. The production design is great, but the true hero of the show is the screenplay and acting. Nothing else would work if it didn't have a stellar cast portraying the Founding Fathers.
What the fuck
I just started this show
It any good?
it's melodramatic trash for plebs
or at last the first episode was
you're much better off reading the original sources they pick and choose snippets from to make it sound authentic but which are completely recontextualized
I liked the show right until it went
>muh slaves building the whitehouse
They could handle it much better, but they took the same preachy route as any other pozzed pile of shit
Also, how did his alcoholic son die? Was he supposed to die from withdrawal? He looked too young to be in such a fucked up shape, even if he indeed was a chronic alcoholic
Abigail was an abolitionist, so I can let it slide