I blame DC for causing the superhero bubble to burst and ruining it for everyone else. MCU was putting out consistent well received movies for years but DC kept having bomb after bomb, reboot after reboot, to the point nobody had any idea what was going on and there's no point getting invested in any of these worlds because they're just gonna reboot it again in a couple movies. And the average cinemagoer has no idea what the difference between these two companies are, so what they see is a bunch of crap superhero movies from DC and they think "All superhero movies are crap. Better stop watching them."
Whoa thanks DC!
No, it doesn't matter what DC did or didn't do.
The only cinematic universe arc anyone actually cared about was Iron Man up to End Game. That is the real truth of it.
>This narcissistic drunken frickboi died for my sins.
Deep.
I feel like iron man disappeared for 90 percent of marvel movies until finally popping out in the finale
That's the problem I've always had with Marvel movies, it feels like they're trying to do a series of connected movies as if it's a TV show but they're limited by the format, each movie has to be about a different character and end in a climactic battle so even though we've had so many movies, Iron Man's total screentime isn't all that high. It'd be like reading a book where every chapter it jumps on a different character and by the time it cycles back to the character you want to see, it's already been 100 pages.
In theory, actually taking a break from movies and doing some TV shows should have helped with the problem, but somehow it's made things worse.
I never even watched any of the tv shows they all looked bad.
Because it's just more of the same problem, they should be doing TV shows of people we actually care about like Thor or Spiderman but instead they're just splintering of with even more characters nobody has any attachment to. It's clear that they only make the shows because the characters aren't important enough to get their own movies.
The only MCU TV shows that were worth it was Loki and Wandavision. Everything else is trash.
None of those shitty shows are good at all.
And just for the record, same goes for Netflix slop as well.
Daredevil was good
at the last few years he was in at least a marvel movie a year, 2015 was avengers 2, 2016 was civil war, 2017 was spiderman, and 2018 and 2019 were avengers 3 and 4
Cuz Marvel shitting on the source material every 30 seconds was really working for them.
It was working great for 10 years, you were just okay with it because they were shitting on the source material while still having mostly white people. Once they started having non-white people, suddenly the source material started to matter for you.
>suddenly the source material started to matter for you.
Shut the frick up, dumbass. Everything you say is fricking stupid.
>Once they started having non-white people
it flopped 🙂
once it started having non white people it became bad becasue people who flood entertainment with non white people can't create and aren't there to entertain people
Holy Based. Thank you DC and than you Snyder. Will turn on Rebel Moon on Netflix while I'm doing laundry so that it counts as a (view).
The MCU fricked themselves by releasing shitty shows and movies. Cope homosexual
I blame plebbitors for b***hing about BvS.
>noooo it's le dark
>noooo it's le serious
>Superman would never do X
No one was complaining about those, it's more about the movie being shit, the cardboard cutout characters and nonsensical decisions they take, and the lame ass fricking villain
People loved the dark knight, nobody has ever had any issue with dark and serious capeshit, Snydergays just can't admit their beloved movies are trash and that's why they are hated.
But the Nolan movies aren't superhero movies, They're philosophy 101 lectures.
not at all
I can see why they would feel like that to someone with the intellectual """capacity""" to enjoy BvS
Hey I just want Batman to kick Killer Croc in the throat, I don't need to hear him spew his life story & motives.
So you liked the 2016 Suicide Squad, which is quite possibly the worst movie ever made?
Haven't seen it yet.
I liked MoS because of DBZlike fight scenes & didn't have a normie joke every 30 seconds.
Well Killer Croc is a random as frick villain to bring up but he's actually in that movie so maybe you'll be happy with it.
Yeah but they play up his blackness.
I mean there's that part at the end where he asks to have BET and you see him in his cell watching black women shaking their ass, but that's the only thing I remember. Most of the time he just does crocodile stuff.
>I liked MoS because of DBZlike fight scenes
What was it that Anthony Mackie said? There's a 1 hour worth of boring moping by a wooden Henry Cavill before that shit happens. As for
> Philosophy 101
Pic related.
How about theology 101?
>Examples of subtle symbolism in film.
What was Snyder thinking? Amateur level stuff.
>Anthony Mackie said
>I don't need to hear him spew his life story & motives
Should've told that to Snyder then.
"I'm older than my father ever was"
Waaaaaaaaah.
Nolan's Batman quits twice.
And Affleck still came off as a bigger whiny b***h.
Nolan's Batman is afraid of Bats & Ballet dancers.
You don't want a dark and serious movie, you want meaningless spectacle, which is fine but don't come crying people dislike it.
If you are going to have nothing of depth in your movie at least try to not make it boring. Snyder made a dumb marvel movie but without actual characters and without humor, it's literally a lesser product, that's why people shit on him, not because he is "serious" or "dark" which is something normalgays love.
>Snyder made a dumb marvel movie but without actual characters and without humor
If character for you are nothing but banter and quips, maybe.
>banter and quips
"Is she with you?"
"I thought she was with you."
Go watch Iron man, tell me why you think it worked so well.
You are fricking moronic, there is a reason marvel movies are not going well anymore. They still use the same formula but the writing is now what you describe: just quips.
It used to have more.
It would if the context around it wasn't fricking moronic. Superman's father in MoS is absolutely fricking terrible. Superman protects his mother by throwing the bad guy into civilian buildings. This could be good writing if it was ever acknowledged, but it fricking isn't, he acts irresponsably and is a shit hero and this is never questioned or brought up by the movie, and in BvS it is acknowledged... until it isn't, because his mom is named Martha so batman kind of forgets about all the destruction.
In civil war wanda accidentally blows up a building trying to stop the bad guy. This escalates in the whole movie happening. It's not comparable, the conflicts in BvS are missing punch, they lack awareness of the scenes that come before or after.
Keep in mind I don't think all marvel movies are good, some are genuinely fricking shit, even worse than BvS in some cases. I'm just trying to show you the problem is not that Snyder is "too gritty", the problem is that he's a moronic toddler when it comes to writing scenes and characters.
>It would if the context around it wasn't fricking moronic. Superman's father in MoS is absolutely fricking terrible. Superman protects his mother by throwing the bad guy into civilian buildings. This could be good writing if it was ever acknowledged, but it fricking isn't, he acts irresponsably and is a shit hero and this is never questioned or brought up by the movie, and in BvS it is acknowledged... until it isn't, because his mom is named Martha so batman kind of forgets about all the destruction.
Holy frick, stop posting. You're a braindead moron.
Superman's recklessness is constantly addressed in both movies.
>Superman's recklessness is constantly addressed in both movies.
In BvS only, and it's immediately dropped when Batman finds out about Martha, and never mentioned fricking again.
Stop lying, you fricking moron, in MoS his addressed recklessness is risking getting discovered, and it's addressed by making his father figure a fricking psycho who tells him to let kids drown.
Addressing it properly would BvS starting with a depressed superman with ptsd about all the death he let happen in metropolis by committing several mistakes.
This doesn't weight on his conscience at all because Snyder's superman is a fricking psycho, like his father taught him
Throughout MoS and BvS Superman often frick things up whenever he tries to use his powers, because he always go over and beyond what's necessary. This is constantly shown. This when he saves the bus, or when he wrecks the truck, or when he saves the oil drillers, and so on. His entire journey is about learning how to find proper balance.
>In BvS only, and it's immediately dropped when Batman finds out about Martha, and never mentioned fricking again.
What do you think Doomsday stand for? Doomsday is a reminder of all his failures as well a dark reflection of who he could be and what most think he is. Doomsday is literally Superman's sin made manifest. Which is why its parallel is Mordred, King Arthur's sin.
Mordred is Arthur's son, not his sin. Are you saying that Doomsday is also Superman's son?
In the Excalibur movie, Mordred is absolutely King Arthur's sin. He's a being that shouldn't exist. King Arthur in a moment of weakness bedded his own sister, the witch Morgana.
>This when he saves the bus
Which is not fricking up if you have any kind of moral standard, something Snyder clearly lacks as shown by his father telling him to let people drown.
All the frick ups you list is him revealing his powers, none about the death he sows with his irresponsability
>His entire journey is about learning how to find proper balance.
There is no such journey, he never grows, we are never shown this growth
The movie pretends to have themes but it doesn't.
>What do you think Doomsday stand for? Doomsday is a reminder of all his failures as well a dark reflection of who he could be and what most think he is. Doomsday is literally Superman's sin made manifest. Which is why its parallel is Mordred, King Arthur's sin.
>You see you don't actually need characters, you can just allude to stuff with vague symbolism and never actually address things, THAT is good writing!
You fricking mongoloid, show him being sorry for what he does not him fighting a big CGI monster because you can't write dialogue for shit
There were ways for Clark to save the bus without revealing his super-powers. That's the thing that Clark had to learn: restraint. See
. Jonathan Kent is constantly telling Clark to use his head, to think things through, to use restraint, and so on. He is constantly struggling with that.
>There is no such journey, he never grows, we are never shown this growth
>The movie pretends to have themes but it doesn't.
You don't know what you're talking about.
>All the frick ups you list is him revealing his powers, none about the death he sows with his irresponsability
What do you think Clark talk with his father up in the mountain his about?
This is what you say
>There were ways for Clark to save the bus without revealing his super-powers. That's the thing that Clark had to learn: restraint. See >197420417. Jonathan Kent is constantly telling Clark to use his head, to think things through, to use restraint, and so on. He is constantly struggling with that.
This is what's actually in the movie
>I should have let them drown then?
>...maybe
I don't care if you have a really cool headcanon for what's in the movie, what is actually in there is shit
Also your pic is ironic because cap's stubborness leads to conflict in the team and thus the plot. The movie doesn't present him as the only person with a valid point and shows the other side. It's dishonest to present it that way.
Also wanda in that movie has to deal with the death she caused and its done much better with much less screentime than superman
>This could be good writing if it was ever acknowledged, but it fricking isn't, he acts irresponsably and is a shit hero
I haven't seen MoS in years but isn't he just becoming Superman? Of course he sucks at it.
>movies is about X but:
>it's not X yet
>it's not X anymore
>it's not the X we know and love
>it's not your grampa's X
>it was never meant to be X
YAWN
So you want a superhero movie to just skip right past the origin story? You must have loved Civil War then since they just dropped Spiderman into the series out of nowhere and he was already a superhero. Oh what's that, you're about to tell me you DIDN'T like Civil War? So why bother pandering to you then, you'll hate it no matter what they do.
removing attributes from accomplished characters and giving them back some (but not actually) is nether an origin, nor character developement nor interesting.
Glad you want to watch Sherlock Holmes who cannot dected.
And I don't care about what marvel did at all, capeshitter.
You're a midwit.
>You are My Son.
>You think you can threaten My Mother?!
Has more rawness than any Marvel movie.
Snyder's problem was he leaned too hard into the magical bullshit. TDK was good because it felt like real characters that could exist in real life. BvS the villain was just a big CGI monster that is impervious to nukes.
I don't know, take out the final part and the movie is still bad.
I don't think your second movie in the cinematic universe should feature 3 heroes at all actually, but that's probably WB's fault and not sneeder's.
>BvS the villain was just a big CGI monster that is impervious to nukes
Because it's Doomsday you dumbass. Seriously. Do you guys just speedwatch movies? You're surprised an Alien isn't a "real character"? You ever read a comic book? A movie about Batman fighting Superman (who is basically a God) is magical bullshit?
You people are tarded for real
Maybe you should leave the bad parts of the comics in the comics.
>BvS the villain was just a big CGI monster that is impervious to nukes.
I don't see people complaining about Logan ove that shit.
X-24 was just a dark reflection of Logan and it was a mute beast that is just there to slash and get slashed.
BvS did the same with Doomsday being a dark reflection of Superman, a mute beast that is just there to punch and get punched.
They were meant to be pure archetypes.
It helps that X-24 is actually played by Hugh Jackman and not awful-looking CGI.
Made more sense in logan, in bvs they just wanted to shoehorn in a CGI monster for the finale and ended up with a blob that snydertards love to glaze
Nah. Plebittors and Youtubers were spouting this moronic quote for years like a mantra. It was almost as common as the moronic "show don't tell" meme.
Snydergays were BTFO the minute Joker and Logan were huge successes.
And then Marvel started making shit movies for no reason at all? have a nice day, moron.
I thought "I need that on a t-shirt" and not only is there a t-shirt but it has Rick Sanchez on it so it's even better.
Also I have that owl on the top shelf, not sure where it's from but I've had it for years.
The worst part of this is that's exactly the kind of shit you're likely to see in the office of a female law school grad in the last decade or so. It's goddamn embarrassing.
Funny how the past few years that ginsbader b***h started being reviled by liberals after being worshipped by her, because she was too selfish to resign during Obama's term, meaning she died in Trump's term which led to him appoint replacement conservative judges which made the court a conservative majority
Rare DC W
These aren't even made in good faith.
It's like your meathead older brother got a hold of your toys.
Gamora and Carol haven't used those outfits in the comics in a very long time. Probably decades at this point.
>Muh faithfulness!
>*uses their current comic outfits*
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
In Carol's case, that's her most iconic look that someone like me would recognize from X-Men TAS or Marvel Ultimate Alliance.
The neck to toe uniform was clearly intended to desexualize her for the respect and adoration of sexless morons who don't even read it.
>Gamora and Carol haven't used those outfits in the comics in a very long time.
Shut up normie, they only changed their costumes by order of Kevin Feige, he has total power over comics, games, tv and animation and everything he touched has turned to dust, nothing makes a profit anymore, the image posted there
clearly shows that one day people would get tired of this Feige shit, the day has come
they stopped to get them ready for the MCU.
Yes it's no only a MCU problem it's problem with cómics too, SJWs killed comic books
Marvelslop is equally shit and to add to that, Havent they replaced iron man by some black girl, captain america by some black guy and semi-replaced spidey by some vibrant inner city bipoc youth?
I'm looking forward to The Brave & The Bold
Daredevil was the only good show because of the fight scenes & Kingpin.
No, Marvel has been putting out only shit ever since infinity war
You chuclkefricks are gonna love Gunn's Superman with Boomer Rock & Silver Age references in every other scene.
I hope so, I was actually disappointed with TSS because it hardly had any licensed music in it.
Maybe some will, but I quite dislike the silver age so if it's heavily based on that, I doubt it
I like Gunn but I am not sure about him making superman, his light tone works best with other kind of heroes, I'd say the flash could have been better to give him.
I liked TSS but I am not sure what kind of fricking direction DC wants to go wtih these batman and superman reboots that are not actually in the same universe apparently.
>pointing fingers as the ship goes down
lol
baste DC tho
Reminder that the Russo brothers, directors of Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame, went on record saying that they mostly took ideas from Zack Snyder's DC movies and storyboards and used them for their own movies. They even tried to copy his tone and style.
The ironic truth is that once Zack Snyder was fired by WB execs that also spelled the end of the MCU because the Russos and Kevin Feige were left without material to steal from.
The MCU is nothing without Zack Snyder.
yeah as we kmow wanda vision was famously the defining product that first spelled success for mcu and paved its way for its future success
Snyder movies still suck ass, dc or otherwise, no matter how many snydertards like you love to ride his dick
>Winter Soldier, made before Snyder's DC movies, is the best Marvel movie
>They start copying Snyder
>Their movies turn to shit
Yep, it checks out.
The problem is DC waited until 2013 to kickstart their cinematic universe while Marvel started theirs in 2008. The entirety of phase 1 completed BEFORE the first DC universe movie came out. Why did they wait that long? If I was a studio exec at DC I would had seen the writing on the wall back in early 2010 at the latest.
Not only that but MoS bombed so hard that they hesitated another three years before making BvS. They could have had a movie a year and been well into the DCEU by then but they kept pussing out.
>Not only that but MoS bombed so hard
>film from 2013 took until 2017 to merely break even
Wow
Are you stupid or something? The movie broke even before it was even released thanks to all the product placements. Everything the movie made at theaters was pure profit.
So it made its money back 4 years after the movie came out? That's a bomb bro.
>Why did they wait that long?
MOS wasn't supposed to kickstart their cinematic universe. Pic related was. But when GL crashed hard WB shoehorned their cinematic universe plans into MOS even though it was never planned to be anything more than a standalone trilogy like TDK.
I actually don't think Nolan's Batman was even intended to be a trilogy. He planned to end it with TDK, was convinced to come back by money, and that's why TDKR was lame and phoned in.
85% of The Dark Knight Rises is just homage shots from the previous 2 films.
It's funny how even the title is half-assed. Just take the previous movie's title and add "Rises." Bravo.
Idk, seems like if you do a sequel, a third movie always seems to follow. There's no avoiding it in Hollywood. Nolan knows this.
I like your take though. I'd wager that Nolan didn't want to do another Batman film so soon, especially after Ledger's death. But he always had a 3rd film in mind where Bruce is a broken down old man. They just forced him to make it sooner while the Batman hype was at it's zenith.
back in the 2000's, there was always this talk after Begins that movie 2 would be the Joker and 3 would be the trial of the Joker and Two-face coming from that.So the plan was always at least 3.
Christopher Nolan always telling the truth.
Good morning, sir
So Snyder inspired the worst mcu flicks? Bravo Snyder
mcu had been turning to shit for a long time
Begun, the webm posting war has.
Kek, I don't have any webms 🙁
But I do know I've seen more Marvel babes naked than I've seen DC bawds nude. So Marvel wins the webm war!
BOOBS RULE!
You're on the right track! But Sony does deserve a little blame. Both DC and Sony released some stinkers that turned capeshit fans away in droves.
I think people actually liked the Venom movies, Morbius not so much.
Certainly Venom 1. It was an accidental hit for the Sonyverse.
I blame israelites for making intentionally bad assembly line films.
The only problem I have with israelites is that they haven't made any movies about Magneto, hands down the coolest israeli character ever.
He was a Gypsy before they retconned him into a israelite.
No, you're getting him confused with Dr. Doom, who I would also like to see a movie about, and the correct term is Romani.
I suppose I should at least watch First Class, even if it's an X-Men movie and not a Magneto movie. But I don't think I'll bother with any of the others since they aren't directed by Vaughn.
No they retconned him into a israelite.
It happens. Next your gonna say April O'Neil was originally Black.
First class should have been just Magneto hunting Nazis as a Mossad agent. Strip out more of the capeshit and tone it down.
The Dark Knight was really well received and they haven't done any imitations and that baffles me
>I don't like synder Superman because he isn't smiling 24/7 & hasn't told me to drink my milk!
>Building falls down.
>9/11 IMAGERY!
You people are weird.
MoS and BvS are both an allegory to America post-9/11, you idiot. It is entwined into the whole story. It takes the immigrant’s tale already present within Superman’s story and plays it out in a modern context.
Superman represents the alien culture, the portion of it trying to assimilate to our American cultura and way of life.
Zod and the banished Kryptonians represent the fanatical element of Superman's birth-place bent on wiping us out, basically Al Qaeda.
Superman isn’t responsible for their actions, but some people hold him thus, and so does he to a degree, giving him a healthy dose of guilt over the loss of life his fellow Kryptonians wrought.
Batman represents the people of the West. You've him quoting Dick Cheney during the War on Terror.
Lex Luthor represents the elite playing both sides off each other for his own benefit, something that happened in the real world where the military complex profited from the Middle East destabilization and the war effort.
Doomsday is the resurrected Zod, brought to life by the blood and meddling of the amoral elite, basically ISIS.
The New Gods represent the Saudis, taking the Kryptonian Codex as their own to mass-produce brainwashed, subservient Kryptonian soldiers.
Reminder that “Codex” is just another word for “book.”
Member when Marvel did a crack 9/11?
Good. Frick Disney, Marvel, funny books and their gay readership.
>"No, it's Marvel's fault!"
Great comeback as usual, DCgays
When it comes to capeshit, competition breeds success. Marvel went toe to toe with DC in the beginning. Remember how Civil War and Justice League were both to be released on the same day? And how both studios said they wouldn't change premiere dates?
DC knelt down before Marvel and switched dates. Justice League was hated by fans. Marvel won. And with no one left to compete against, they got complacent. That's why I hate DC, because compared to Marvel characters like Iron Man and Captain America (A-Listers), DC characters just don't measure up.
?
Justice League was delayed because Snyder had to step down from the movie for personal reasons. Then they got the Joss Whedon guy to finish it and people agreed that because he was Joss Whedon, he made it suck.
>Hulk: A literal manifestation of child abuse &
rage.
>She-Hulk: Is just a bawd because she didn't party in college.
dcbros...
I miss when Cinemaphile used to talk like that. Everything was ruined in November of that year when the tourists started flooding in.
My favorite part of She-Hulk is when she calls all the men that died in WW2 losers.
All WB had to do was demand a better, bolder cast, go further and do something different from the MCU, but they've done worse than the MCU, they've forgotten that audiences want: entertainment. Another simple thing, Snyder's don't sell his skinny Wonder Woman, Fatman, WTF is that Flash lol, kids don't like them. And with Gunn the path will be even worse than with Snyder
The MCU's relevance is 10 years in the past now.
DC picking up Gunn to do an imitation of it at this point is more than embarrassing.
Optimally he would be doing his own thing instead of imitating it, but I don't know if he's capable.
I though Gal Gadot looked fine as Wonder Woman. The main issue is that she can't fricking act.
>I though Gal Gadot looked fine as Wonder Woman.
lmao no
I thought she was a good Wonder Woman it’s just most of the movies she was in were bad I thought she was awesome in BVS
She was a shit WW (that shit was no WW at all) in a shit movies. And she was godawful in BvShit
Wow... deep...
>Y'all need to BE BETTER!
Well yeah that scene sucks ass too, your point?
>Although the Scout Ship, which served as Superman’s Fortress of Solitude in Man of Steel, was destroyed, the hero isn’t without his place for reflection. Snyder referred to the scene between Clark and his father, Jonathan Kent (Kevin Costner) at the top of a snowy mountain as the Fortress of Solitude being internalized. Rather than the idea of a giant crystalline structure, Snyder wanted the Fortress to be “organic,” part of Clark himself. The answer he finds from his father in that moment of solitude is that “trying to do the right thing can have tragic results, but the lesson is you have to try because it is the right thing.” Snyder said that it is important that the lesson Jonathan imparted on Clark be related to farming, and tied to nature, which is what he sees Superman as inherently tied to. Bruce’s own moment of solitude in the ruins of Wayne Manor in which he reflects on his family’s fortune being built on hunting is tied to commerce and industry. Snyder said he saw both characters as being represented by natural elements.
But according to the idiot in the thread Superman doesn't learn shit throughout the movie nor deals with his actions. LMAO.
That's not in man of steel
That's not even in the theatrical release of bvs, showing snyder knew it was a secondary scene at best
that's a one liner and we are never shown superman sorry for his actions before this
You have LITERALLY proven my point mongoloid
All you have is a cut scene that has this whole arc shoved in because none of it was explored beforehand.
Also his father is shown in MoS as a deranged psycho, which makes it hilarious
>That's not even in the theatrical release of bvs, showing snyder knew it was a secondary scene at best
Look at this dude argument.
When it comes to Snyder's movies, the only cut that matters is the director's cut.
Look at how you ignore my argument of the whole ""arc"" being one scene in the movie AFTER the one you claim this arc is in
You are a fricking weasel on top of being stupid.
>All you have is a cut scene that has this whole arc shoved in because none of it was explored beforehand.
BvS is a tragedy about self-deception that ultimately leads to certain doom.
Throughout the movie you've Clark wrecked with guilt over what happened in Metropolis but he goes on ignoring everything while lying to himself and Lois that everything is fine. Things take a turn to the worse once Lex Luthor start to orchestrate thigs so everything Superman involves himself in ends up in chaos. To the point where Clark is unable to ignore anymore. Every time his name comes up in the news he's glued to the TV wrecked with guilt. Everything said about him he takes it to heart. Once the capitol is bombed he just can't go on anymore and is ready to quit. The entire journey is so Clark can finally confront his guilt and resolved it in a healthy way. Because ignoring his guilt is leaving him open to be used and manipulated. The same thing happens with Bruce.
What you say
>wrecked with guilt
What actually happens
>ignoring everything
Then how does this get addressed and resolved?
> confront his guilt and resolved it in a healthy way.
>muh martha!
>lets go beat up a cgi monster now!
And like that this whole arc is thrown out of the window before it can even begin. Beating up a monster is not "confronting your guilt"
You need to realize all that you are writing is headcanon, all of it, none of it is in the movie.
You maybe would be a decent writer, but Snyder clearly isn't. I don't care if he intended to have an arc, he failed, and everyone sane who watched the movie realized he failed and that's why nobody likes it.
A quick look at Sndeeder's filmography will reveal this is not the first time this happens, he shits out one terrible movie after the other.
BvS is about Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman being consumed by their demons and instead of confronting their problems head first and resolving their issues in a healthy way, they just brush things away and instead blame it on something else, or someone else.
Superman instead of confronting his guilt over what happened instead focus his attention on Batman, because he feels that the media isn't attacking Batman for the wreckage he is leaving, they're just focused on Superman being a problem, and Superman feels that isn't fair.
Batman instead of confronting his many traumas, is giving up on everything and shifting his hatred for the way things are onto Superman. His idea is that becoming Batman was a mistake, and here's a new guy in town repeating the same mistakes but on a much bigger scale.
Wonder Woman instead of confronting her grief, over the death of Steve Trevor, and moving on, is actually blaming his death on humanity's nature. She's giving up on humanity all together.
So because these characters won't solve their issues in a proper way, they're leave themselves open to be manipulated by Lex Luthor through the use of the media. So all three end up running into a conflict by Luthor's hands. But is by confronting each other that they are able to see themselves.
Superman is able to understand that he does have a hand in what happened, even if it doesn't seem fair, and that despite it all he should continue acting as a hero.
Batman is able to realize that there is still worth in being a hero, and that he needs to be better.
Wonder Woman is able to realize that mankind is worth defending, because Steve sacrificed himself for the good of mankind, after all.
You can keep writing headcanon but this is either not explored in the movie, explored superficially, or not explored at all
As already pointed out, Batman arc's amount to "oh shit, Martha? I guess everything changes now" and that's the depth of it
Whatever snyder's intention was, he failed at portraying it.
None of the three people learn to handle anything, they just beat up a cgi monster
I will once again bring up Ironman as a case of this kind of arc but actually done right.
>You can keep writing headcanon but this is either not explored in the movie, explored superficially, or not explored at all
It is all there in the movie. Just admit you got filtered the frick out.
>Ironman
I am clearly talking about the movie, this is just pathetic whatabaoutism.
>f-filtered!
Ah yes, the classic fallback
>Ah yes, the classic fallback
Because you were clearly filtered. Your stupid comebacks that everything you missed is nothing but headcanon is proof enough. You're the reason certain movies have voice overs.
>Oh noes I sold weapons that hurt people!
>I didn't know weapons hurt people!?!
>Cries in a bottle.
Yes, when shown the consequences of his actions he starts his arc. Good eye for noticing the obvious
>Cries in a bottle.
He stops arms production, goes hunting the terrorists his company used ot sell weapons to, and starts doing everything he can to fix the damage he has done.
He actually changes. Clark doesn't, he's still literally the same guy as highlighted by his fight with Batman.
>Prof Tony Stark has a Heart
HOKEY.
Yeah. That's the "reward" for his arc.
Are you copypasting these? Do you have a folder of prepared responses you deploy? Is this why you repeat arguments I have already addressed constantly?
>Yeah. That's the "reward" for his arc.
But he regresses in 2.
Well yeah, 2 is shit, and 3 is even worse. I am not a generic marvel fan, most of the MCU is shit.
Ironman 1 is a good movie though which is why I bring it up
It was made by Paramount.
Did you know that the Friday the 13th flicks funded the Star Trek movies?
>Did you know that the Friday the 13th flicks funded the Star Trek movies?
No, I did not
Yes, because there have been so many morons filtered by BvS that it is easier to just post pasta;
>"filtered" is when you don't like shit
Prometheus, BvS, Cpt Marvel, Madame Web... all filters kek
Ah so they did foreshadow that scene it actually does make sense that would effect Batman, I think it’s cool that the world is obsessed with Superman but Batman still manages to be very relevant
>And like that this whole arc is thrown out of the window before it can even begin. Beating up a monster is not "confronting your guilt"
Superman confronted his guilt when he went to the mountain top, you idiot. That's when he had a heart to heart with his father where he realized that he should shoulder the guilt over the tragedy of MoS, even if it doesn't seem fair since all he wanted to do was help.
Him confronting Doomsday is just him putting to bed the remnant of his sin.
>Never show guilt beyond vague looks
>Never explore what could have done better
>never show him doing better or trying to be more careful
>he dreams of his father saying to do the right thing
>alright now that my arc is done let's go beat the shit out of batman (I have learned so much I will stop trying to explain after he pisses me off because I am still a childish moron, my arc meant jack shit)
WOW
show him doing better or trying to be more careful
What do you think the capitol scene was about, you fricking braindead moron? Goddamn.
Not that at all? He needs to stop throwing people into buildings, yet he does it again with Batman who thankfully chose an abandoned area to fight in.
He literally shows that he is not more careful.
Sorry Clark never donated to your charity of choice.
Clark hikes to the mountains to reflect, and remembers his father. Clark remembers Jonathan telling a story in which he was trying to help in a dangerous situation, but didn’t realize that his good intentions would have negative consequences for others. This parallels when Superman fought to stop Zod, (but inadvertently caused destruction in Metropolis), how in Africa Superman intervened to save Lois, (but unintentionally acted as the US intervening in a civil war), and at the Capitol Building, Superman tried to do the right thing by testifying and engaging in conversation, (but didn’t realize it would be a target for Lex’s terrorist attack). Clark asks Jonathan if “the nightmares ever stopped?” It’s clear from this question and his reactions throughout the film (watching the debates and protests) that Clark takes everything to heart, and he has also had nightmares due to the unintended consequences of his actions. Clark is not only feeling guilty, but is also having a crisis of faith regarding his purpose annd towards the inherent goodness of humanity. Jonathan tells Clark it was love that stopped the nightmares, “when I met your mother, she gave me faith that there was good in the world: she was my world.” He also affirms his love for Clark as he tells him “I miss you son”.
Wouldn't that mean that MoS doesn't matter at all since there's no director's cut of it?
Why is he facing a different direction in each picture?
DO Snyder fans actually like Rebel Moon? I still to this day see them typing essays about the DC movies but I never see such effort towards Rebel Moon even though it just came out a couple months ago and is made by Snyder.
"Snyder fans" don't discuss Rebel Moon, Army of the dead, Dawn of the dead, Guardian of Ga'hoole and Sucker Punch i.e... most of his non-comics filmography.
I actually have seen Snyder fans bring up Sucker Punch, usually when they're asked to name a female character they actually like LMAO. But yeah other than that I think you're right.
>Dawn of the dead,
I liked the sickly green-yellow lighting of that flick.
homie, how the frick you guys missed the absolute schizo tier Sucker Punch threads? There is a resident Sucker Punch fan who's completely boinkers and think MK Ultra is real.
Exception that proves the norm.
MKUltra IS real. Just probably not in the sense that the schizo thinks it is.
I don't see the point of discussing Rebel Moon when the cuts we're getting are butchered and completely missing most of the actual meat of the story/point.
This is the same reason i never cared for the theatrical cut of Justice League.
and the "real" cut will be the same shit but longer, again
Glad I saw this thread, been thinking of watching Rebel Moon but had no idea they're actually making a 6 hour directors cut. I'll just hold off on it till that's out then.
>I'll just hold off on it till that's out then.
Your loss kek
Superman doesn't need an arc.
He's fully formed character like Conan & Mario.
It's not that we don't need a Superman it's just we don't deserve one.
You are right I don't deserve a moron throwing supervillains through my fricking window and then going to kiss lois like nothing happened
I didn't do anything to deserve it but here we are
It's your fault for living in the city.
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO SURVIVE
Sorry, that reference is probably older than the average poster on this board.
The thing is that comic books are campfire stories that are told by the village idiot.
DC was slightly better than Marvel because at least DC movies had a bit of personality.
Kek just like batman and robin did in the 90s. DC needs to stick to cartoons
225 Million dollars went into this.
The only thing worse than the vfx is the rancid dialogue.
that's what happens when you hire a twitter addict to write dialouges
>the guy sperging out about a filler TV show while everyone else is talking about actual movies
We can talk about the games if you like?
>Makes a Tinder account on a work PC.
Though Clark’s peace is short-lived, as Lex tears it down by using his vulnerable human connections as blackmail against him (pushing Lois off the Lexcorp building and kidnapping his mother) to manipulate Superman to fight Batman. This is Clark at his lowest, after everything he's been through in the film, he's being forced into a no-win situation, just like he was with Zod at the end of MoS. This interaction with Lois had to be brief, because Lex said that his mother would be killed if he didn't directly go to face Batman, and the clock is ticking. He tells Lois “convince the Bat to help” showing that he still has hope, and his preferred option is to prevent a fight with Batman, and seek to work together with Batman to find a way to beat Lex. But then he adds "or he has to die", the look on his face when he says this is dread, at the sheer notion of having to kill him, though he is open to the possibility rather than having his mother die. Given that it may be one life or the other, and that Clark has been primed to see Batman as ruthless vigilante who is responsible for other's deaths, it is plausible that Clark in his distressed state, may rationalize to himself that it is justified to kill Batman. Anticipating how he will resolve this dilemma gives the audience another reason to anticipate the Batman/Superman fight.
And even when he lands to meet Batman, he immediately tries to connect to Bruce, admitting fault and trying to reach past his hardened heart. “Bruce […] I was wrong,” referring to their last exchange, where he judged Batman from afar with incomplete information and used threats and a show-of-force as the answer to conflict. However, nothing Superman could say would change Batman’s mind: Bruce has been trapped in his fixed mindset of projection and powerlessness. Bruce is closed off and has convinced himself he needs to take out Superman for the future. Batman to activates his traps, and Superman, while under the stress of Lex’s time limit, returns to exerting his power to put Batman in his place.
Reminder the only real Hero in the Marvel universe is Frank.
Everyone else is just a celebrity with powers.
That Elfquest doc really got to me, bros. Why not do an anime,
I hope you guys like Mister Mxyzptlk.
The movie hasn't come out though, Gunn has never had issues creating flawed characters for his capeshit
Reeve's Portrayal is what they should shoot for.
Die mad, edgelord
DCU Mister Mxyzptlk played by Danny Devito would be pure kino.
if you really think about it, Ezra Miller killed capeshit
People don't like criminals, same reason Fantastic Beasts 3 bombed.
The problem is he didn't actually do anything, which is why that production designer they interviewed thought the public would get over it (how naive he was).
They undeniably did a ton of shit. This isn't even up for debate, they admitted to it. Only some of the charges were dropped, and that's because of the fricked up legal system in this country. It sounds like you either have no clue what you're talking about or you get a kick out of downplaying the things Ezra Miller did.
he specifically and directly called out people and the media for lying/chasing clicks, so where or when did Ezra admit to "it"? what even is "it"?
not even you know what it is, because it was a fake news campaign designed to confuse and defame the target
I genuinely do not understand
DC right now has battinson, who is not in the same universe as gunn's superman which is in the making
But also they release a flash movie in the snyderverse
What the FRICK are they doing? What's their plan? Do they even have a plan?
Flash movie was supposed to be a soft reboot a la Flashpoint, that would then lead into them being able to start over again with Gunn's universe. It's the whole premise of the movie, that he does some stupid shit and changes the universe.
Meanwhile Battinson's movie is so good they're like "We don't want to risk tarnishing this by associating it with a cinematic universe, this is just going to be a standalone movie with sequels." Same with Joker.
Is the Flash better than Black Adam?
Because Black Adam was a weird vanity project.
No, Flash isn't even a complete narrative.
Black Adam changed the hierarchy of power in the DC universe.
Naw. Both DC and Marvel films disappeared up theirboen asses and ruined superhero movies, just like how the comics went to shit.
Gunn doing his thing of using an absolute fricking nobody character from the comics so he can do whatever he wants with them.
silver shape shifting when?
I'm sure that Zaslav wants to piss away his remaining Barbie-bux on the best Poo CGI for the next entry in his Cancelverse.
Really though, he's looking forward to canceling so many Gunn projects, for "savings". He's directly compensated as CEO of WBD for how many millions he "saves" the company, instead of revenue.
And the board thinks this is a splendid idea.
I don't think Zaslav is going to last much longer. He's pissing off too many people. Cinemaphile loves him because he keeps canceling superhero shit but he's not actually making WB any money. They're gonna get rid of him soon.
>Gunn: I'm bringing back color & wholesomeness back to the DCU
>Also Gunn: I'm crowbaring The Authority into Superman.
There's a popular Superman comic called "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" where they take a parody of the Authority and have Superman basically shit on everything they stand for. My hope is that he plans to do the same thing here, but with the actual Authority.
Oh and before anyone says "then why are they also planning an Authority movie", I could point out that Peacemaker didn't exactly come out of The Suicide Squad looking like a very good guy and yet he still ended up getting his own show, so there's precedent for it. That or it's some 5D chess trolling tactic and he doesn't actually plan to make an Authority movie and it's just a placeholder for something else.
Absolutely all of capeshit is trash.
Normies are just waking up and finally realizing it because the illusion that it was ever good is gone.
Nah. They're just going back to being selective about it. There were a ton of terrible comic book movies in the 2000s that bombed, and then a couple here and there that actually made money. We're going back to those days when they only give money to the ones that are worth it.
>"worth it".
It's all trash for toddlers and manchildren.
They are unable to be selective. Particularly modern audience, who have no standards at all
Marvel has beed shit since after Avengers 1
Nah, DC movies were irrelevant when stuff like Endgame came out, people had already stopped caring about the DC movies before the super hero craze ended. I do think DC movies can do well if James Gunn makes them interesting again
WB should have changed their approach and embrace the multiverse.
>Man of Steel TV series with Cavill
>Smallville Sequel series with Welling
>Donner Superman series with Routh
>Batfleck movie
>Wonder Woman series with Gadot
>multiverse shit
>snydershit
no thanks
Embracing the multiverse seems to have been disastrous for Marvel so I think they dodged a bullet there. Or the bullet bounced off their eye like how a bullet bounced off Superman's eye in Superman Returns.
Ah, I see the lonely resident snydertard is seething ITT, vomiting blood and headcanon.
Good, good
Warners didn't know what they were doing, didn't seem to care, but were determined to play catchup
Can't really be worse than snydershit.
They shit started bombing without Snyder. So yes, it can.