Also kind of bothers me how "Seldon predicted Empire would come in person on Terminus and plotted a whole conspiracy around it", i understand the show diverges from the books but the whole point of psychohistory is how it can't predict individual behaviors.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>can't predict the clone output of 5000 clones
Pretty sure it's really easy to predict what the 5000th clone will do.
It's basically the same as predicting the next /tv thread.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think that was supposed to not be psychohistory and instead just Harri being smart enough to predict exactly what Cleon would do.
His plan didn't even rely on Cleon showing up, just that they'd send the entire fleet, which was probably extremely predictable, and that Hober would be able to bluff his way onto the main ship.
ok, that makes sense
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think that was supposed to not be psychohistory and instead just Harri being smart enough to predict exactly what Cleon would do.
His plan didn't even rely on Cleon showing up, just that they'd send the entire fleet, which was probably extremely predictable, and that Hober would be able to bluff his way onto the main ship.
I don’t care if some characters were saved in the plot device the whole civilization? Fucking stupid
3 months ago
Anonymous
It was dumb because of what it did, which was allow the planets to be destroyed just to help set the twist bait for the audience, it wasn’t dumb because it was scientifically impossible.
it reminded me of the ultimate intelligence from the hyperion cantos
it's a multi-dimensional super computer, the diamond thing (and also the dodecahedron) is just a way to access it in our dimensional space
>"the actions of the individual dont matter to psychohistory" >all this show ever does is show how individuals are changing the course of the prediction
3 months ago
Anonymous
>"violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" >*beats you to death with a stick*
3 months ago
Anonymous
Don't worry, we'll reference it as an off-hand comment at some later point, and then dismiss it.
>he didn’t watch the show >if you did you’d know they already established that foundation had surprised and reverse engineered their tech >made a new device called castling device that can be coupled with personal aura >a majority of foundation population wear the castling devices/aura devices, therefore all Hari needed to do was teleport them to the vault
Incorrect HDR conversion.
Such as colors getting values from 1024 values instead of 256, and fucking due incorrectly downsizing those values. Or there being separate light values per pixel, but the software isn't saving or converting that into good values.
pew pew pew
Somebody really liked Phantom Menance enough to replicate that many elements.
Not the worst referance material, but they would get more likely by aping LOGH or trying something original.
Nah it was right and good, all she did that season was also be there while Gaal and Hari were doing important things. Her most important contribution to the whole season is just being someone to whom the secret plan could be explained so the audience could hear
I like how you can never tell if it's actually just her programming or actual feelings, and neither can Demerzel. For an understated character every single scene she was in happens to be great even back in S1.
the weird part is the robot itself said it just happened to be wearing a female body when cleon discovered it but it adopted the female persona henceforth
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I like how you can never tell if it's actually just her programming or actual feelings, and neither can Demerzel. For an understated character every single scene she was in happens to be great even back in S1.
>when your super loyal, mentally conditioned honor guard don’t immediately gun down the guy who just killed you
Was the show trying to imply the guards were confused by the castling thing?
Yea I disliked that part. The Bel Riose stuff is probably my least favorite plotline yet. >general is always going on missions himself >getting in fistfights with prisoners >going on missions with gay bf >punching the emperor to decide the fate of the universe
I realize there are cost restrictions, and the story has to be character driven for the sake of normies.. but I really wish they could expand the scope of the show. Something similar to early GoT, where yes, big plot developments happened over a single sword fight or something.. but battles were still more than just important characters fighting.
>going on missions with gay bf
I kept asking myself "wtf is his rank?"
First he's hanging out on the bridge, then gay away team with the Cap'n, then he's the starfighter squadron commander (there is only 1 squadron)
Demerzel dropped the ball here
Yea I disliked that part. The Bel Riose stuff is probably my least favorite plotline yet. >general is always going on missions himself >getting in fistfights with prisoners >going on missions with gay bf >punching the emperor to decide the fate of the universe
I realize there are cost restrictions, and the story has to be character driven for the sake of normies.. but I really wish they could expand the scope of the show. Something similar to early GoT, where yes, big plot developments happened over a single sword fight or something.. but battles were still more than just important characters fighting.
Most science fi shows to awful with scale
Even if the foundation is just terminus they should have armies and fleets
Yea it’s the same problem as something like supernatural, where God is fist fighting Lucifer… and they say it’s for “the fate of the universe” but all we can imagine is two dudes.
I wonder how the budget for this compares to early GoT. Because credit where it’s due, they made the show feel much bigger by doing shit like the battle of black water. >the spacers betrayal
Was the real dagger to empire, so it sucks they didn’t lean into that more. Would’ve let psychohistory be the real reason for the defeat as “spacer angst being under the boot of empire” + “a rising power in the galaxy that has made a way to get the stuff they need” + “empire overreach of power” = betrayal is actually something Hari could have predicted.
I just wish psychohistory was more a science and less magical future telling superpower. The fact Hari has predicted the Mule at all tells me they’re changing a lot of the themes of his story
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The fact Hari has predicted the Mule at all
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the prime radiant just predict another crisis around the time that Gaal saw him?
(Which, yeah, still seems too specific but at least it's not literally saying "guy X will show up in area Y and do action Z")
3 months ago
Anonymous
You could be right. But even that is kind of predicting the Mule. Unless the premise is there was supposed to be another crisis and the Mule situation supplants it.
I guess that happens in the book in a way when they get the Sheldon crisis about “you have now managed the rebellion” and they’re like wtf are you talking about?
But I feel like they’re missing out on the surprise nature of the Mule story as a true genetic freak. Him being an unknown or a surprise is one of the best parts, since that’s actually contrary to psychohistory. Even the second foundation was like “why aren’t our formulas working to predict this region of space? Something is very very wrong” even then knowing about it is kind of lame
3 months ago
Anonymous
game of thrones season 1 budget - $50-60M
foundation season 1 - $45M
No what was even worse is >Empire of trillions of people >Let's entrust the most important army tasks to a gay dude who hates the Empire and has refused to carry his orders in the past because they're "immoral", because surely there are no loyal and talented people among these trillions
Oh and and there's >Race of people who can bend space >Let's make our entire fleet dependent on the actions of one of them without a back-up plan or holding any collateral in case of mistakes/betrayal
>Let's entrust the most important army tasks to a gay dude who hates the Empire and has refused to carry his orders in the past because they're "immoral", because surely there are no loyal and talented people among these trillions >also we held his boyfriend as leverage and then gave him back to him without at least a bomb in his head so nothing is stopping him from doing it again >he's doing it again
robot master race my ass
Pretty sure the spacer thing only worked because they had ALL decided to betray empire. They have some kind of mindlink thing going on, the spacer on the ship was just following “the swarm” orders, or whatever they called it.
Remember harbor went to tell them the foundation could make the unobtanium the spacers needed? So empire thought they had a monopoly on spacer food bc they didn’t know about the foundation advancing enough to make the stuff. I actually thought that was the best plotline in this whole mess.
>Remember harbor went to tell them the foundation could make the unobtanium the spacers needed? So empire thought they had a monopoly on spacer food bc they didn’t know about the foundation advancing enough to make the stuff. I actually thought that was the best plotline in this whole mess.
It’s ripped off of Dune, though. The spice must flow.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>le X is just a copy of Y!
This is such a braindead way to analyze tv and film.
Considering the Empire knew the Foundation had more advanced space folding technology and had already approached the spacers to turn them to their cause, they should have contigencies.
>Race of people who can bend space
Kek, they themselves don’t bend space, just navigate it and can stay awake during jumps. Old outdated and unnecessary in terms of tech.
The fact that you didn’t know this proves your comprehension is that of a toddler.
This show peaked with Dusk BTFO the clone and rebels in S1. Season 2 the Cleons besides Dusk weren't that interesting, and anything that isn't Empire is just as shit as always or perhaps even worse with Hari Sue
I have a feeling the same thing that happened with man in the high castle
>the evil bad empire is too likable and nobody likes our plucky liberal diverse rebels >quick sabotage the best parts of our show to elevate our self insert liberal protags
>oh man this highly advanced alternative future the nazis built, that is clean, functional, where people with debilitating illnesses save everyone the stress of dealing with them, is totally heckin bad because... uh...
the point is they forgot to do anything to make the nazi future bad. the japs do most of the fucked up shit.
>the japs do most of the fucked up shit.
They should have had the American Reich pissed off that the Nips were oppressing Aryans in their part of the US while the OG 3rd Reich in Europe wants to retain good relations with the Empire. That's an interesting conflict.
That would require good writers that aren’t all a bunch of shitlibs with no real life experience
Filtered. >Ignores all the murder >ignores the insurrection due to hilmer wanting to do even worse shit to the country >ignores huge areas of the country were shitholes because they fell within the dmz >ignores being imprisoned for owning artifacts without proper paperwork or having the right connections >ignores their plans to invade the other worlds which would result in murdering possibly billions of people
Literally all came in the third season and your opinion is ass you fag
Smith was the most interesting character, the rest of the cast was forgettable I don’t even remember the main girls name.. Gloria?
Filtered. >Ignores all the murder >ignores the insurrection due to hilmer wanting to do even worse shit to the country >ignores huge areas of the country were shitholes because they fell within the dmz >ignores being imprisoned for owning artifacts without proper paperwork or having the right connections >ignores their plans to invade the other worlds which would result in murdering possibly billions of people
I remember they failed to establish why the nazi america was bad. they did a decent job of establishing why the jap region was bad though. also screwed up and established the reason the DMZ was bad was communists.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I remember they failed to establish why the nazi america was bad.
They made it clear that to be accepted in the nazi society you had to live like a robot and that you were under constant surveillance. Society looked good because they kill everyone that doesn't fit their desired profile. That's why Smith's wife's brother chose to raise his family out in the sticks away from their influence. People were brainwashed to anhero if they had genetic faults instead of finding ways to make them valuable through other professions. There were quite a few things which you clearly are biased towards, hence your faulty memory and rose tinted classes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>we didn't bend over backwards to make a kid with HUNTINGTONS comfortable/valuable for decades, thus we had the resources to build shit on the moon. that means we're the bad guys.
you're doing a bit, right?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>we sacrificed curing a disease to put a man on the moon
Now you're just being an absolute retard. Anyway back to Foundation.
3 months ago
Anonymous
there isn't a cure for huntingtons. you can't "cure" genetic deformities without rewriting a person's entire genetic code.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The point of the story was how it was well known what they would do to the boy even before that episode came about, because they do it to anyone they deem undesirable. Again, you're a retard who can't follow the show's points and only half remembers anything. They would probably give you bullet to the brain for massive retardation.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>euthanizing people with nigthmarish genetic disorders is bad because... IT JUST IS OKAY
see, you're also forgetting to establish why that's bad. Now, if they were going to wipe out smith and his entire family as part of the eugenics program, then we might have something to work with.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nazi america looked Amazing and if I have to let undesirables get gassed for it I would
3 months ago
Anonymous
The book isn’t but the show made the Reich look awesome and even gassing & incinerating the disabled son wasn’t enough of a downside to harm it. The aesthetics and ideology are just too logical. Only useless freaks would ever be mad about it
The book isn’t but the show made the Reich look awesome and even gassing & incinerating the disabled son wasn’t enough of a downside to harm it. The aesthetics and ideology are just too logical. Only useless freaks would ever be mad about it
Spice plot device introduced to explain why the spacers change sides. Planet gets blown up along with (apparent) possibility of producing the spice. Then the spacers still go along for the survival of their people. Am I the only one that thinks it would have been better if they didn't bother with the spice stuff?
The demerzel storyline was kino though, she played the fuck out of black lady and her woman servant. Maybe you’re just a pleb who can’t tell the different between good and bad tv
ye but demerzel is not a woman
its a computer so i can accept watching it and no wonder nagger got played, duh
>Maybe you’re just a pleb who can’t tell the different between good and bad tv
got me there jamal, i cant appreciate the culture huh
>watch show about a decaying empire >acts shocked when the empire decays
>acts shocked when the empire decays
its shitty writing though, why would i suffer through ten cringy scenes in a row where a woman with servants around her (yaasss queeen) shittalks trantor's rings? one says empire is compensating and the other one says they small
>its shitty writing though, why would i suffer through ten cringy scenes in a row where a woman with servants around her (yaasss queeen) shittalks trantor's rings? one says empire is compensating and the other one says they small
There's a lot of dumb shit in the show but this kind of stuff is just hilariously petty. Literally mad that a spoiled brat is acting like a spoiled brat.
I think a lot of us picked up this habit in season 1. Literally skip to the empire scenes. I skimmed the entire second season for empire scenes. I feel like I'm missing out on good storylines, but I don't know which ones or if any, and I'm too afraid of getting unlucky with woke trash so I just keep skimming.
I agree completely.
It was the childish nonsense about not watching any other part of it because something something muh naggers that identified him as a fucking idiot. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Weird. His comment was one of the more interesting ones. Yours is pedestrian and worthless
>dawn is on the run
this is really the big hook as it's totally original for the show. it's interesting that demerzel's programming compels her to hunt dawn now. succession crisis?
>It’s far enough in the future that nobody can say for sure whose legit
Day announced that he was ending the clone line so Dawn continuing that plan & marrying whats her name like Day was planning should give them a lot of legitimacy compared to Lady D and her decanted re-runs
I don't have issue with either "all according to keikaku, I triggered it thirty-five minutes ago" twist but having two major plot strands resolved that way in one finale seems like poor writing
>the Mule can derail the plan because he can't be predicted
OK but like Gaal can just apparently mindcast to the future and knows he's going to be there so
I mean they had 152 years to find a solution
I think Gaal's seeing the future is a combination of both the mathematical prediction of the Radiant and her mentalic abilities though. So the Mule can't be predicted by just the Radiant, which is why he's not part of Seldon's plan, but we know he's going to happen now by other means, so surely there's a way to just factor him in and neutralise him beforehand.
I liked it too. The awkwardness really got across that they were aware and scared of their impending death, but still tried to make the best out of the situation.
lets not get crazy but yea they drove how scared they were pretty good
it was one of 2 scenes I liked in the whole episode
the other was dusk with demerzel and the paint trick
To make this show enjoyable literally just skip all the scenes without empire. I'm not even kidding. I had no idea what happened to the browns and homosexuals outside of the barest gist.
maybe now there's enough material for an Imperium supercut
The main issue is the start of the show because you have to decide on when you actually start. Gaal going to Trantor is a very cool part that sets up the Spacers and explains who the Cleons are and you get to see bits of Trantor.
Maybe I just haven't given it a fair chance, but every time I try to watch Foundation I just bounce off it so hard due to the casting choices and the changes they made to characters. Feels very forced to me, but I know that's due to my own biases.
fucking hell they ruined the whole season with that shitty last episode >le retcon of the last few episodes for starters, akchully it was all according to keikaku >le all is good but then salvor is kill at the last minute, would make for much better pacing and sense if it happened during the main confrontation >le shitty magic vault does whatever the plot demands on a whim >le shitty muttkween didn't get skinned alive and buried in a salt pit
this is all just shit
nothing got resolved because the characters did something clever or impressive it was all through contrived writing
All of the people from the first foundation magically teleported to the ark and survived so, yeah he is right it did get massively changed, how did a planet spanning civilization teleport instantly?
they jumped the fucking shark and cloned it.
They undermined the only good thing about the season and then killed him off over garbage.
The gay plurality wins again..yeah..
I'm sure some gay diva from the future is going to smoke the Mule and they'll sing shitty songs as they beam up into Gaia in their gay shitty hive mind.
I meant the mental planet retcon
maybe not a retcon per se but >hmm however will our heroines get out of that quite a predicament, hmm lets see
suddenly it was all a ruse and harry was alive the whole time and gale knew about everything the whole time and harry was behind the bushes the whole time and gale has all those amazing powers she now knows how to control as the necessity arises on a momentary notice and the female tealc suddenly doesn't know about everything that's going on about everyone at all times
>people love Empire in the first season >has all the best plot lines >Day does crazy shit like go on a desert pilgrimage but still perseveres >season 2 has Day consistently 2 steps behind his black queen and the foundation >not even Demrezel likes him anymore
what a scam season
yes but Empire is the best part of the show, season 2 just had him follow a path of self destruction, starting with the destruction of the genetic dynasty itself.
Why did Asimov foresee a future in which we would return to having a space emperor and space royalty? He's lived both extremes, communistic dictatorship and capitalistic democracy. It's probably just an interesting combination.
>Why did Asimov foresee a future in which we would return to having a space emperor and space royalty?
Because he was doing Fall of the Roman Empire in Space
A big difference between the original books and the show is that Asimov views an Empire that maintains galactic peace as broadly a good thing, even if it's a bit repressive, compared to barbarism and interstellar wars wrecking planets
the idea we'd need to revert to city-state or even feudal style governance for interstellar organization is informed by how that would be easier than figuring out FTL communication.
Yes large national governments today with instant communication are barely keeping it together imagine if it took weeks or months to communicate/visit with parts of the empire
By necessity theyd need to have a lot of local autonomy
People don’t realize even empires like Rome who did a lot of work trying to romanize everyone still spent most
If it’s history with locals and provincials largely living their lives and self ruling
Is this show good now? I watched season one and everything outside of the Empire was painful to watch. I don't remember much about the actual foundation scenes except there was some Mary Sue black girl who was really annoying.
The show is genuinely great one scene and then it goes to literal CW trash tier the other. People talking about making an Imperium supercut aren't talking out of their asses, it might genuinely be the "real" show
empire is not as good as season 1 but the rest is better than the rest of season 1
overall a bit better season but day is being shat on the whole time and finale is shit while season 1 day was based and triumphant and finale was great
coincidentally
I’m okay with that though since in season 3 isn’t empire going to be like in full blown collapse/civil war?
So it makes sense for the first season for empire to be (seemingly) triumphant, in season 2 empire managers to pull out a win barely with heavy losses in season 3 empire is going to be a total mess
its good if you ignore all the bad stuff and there's a lot more bad stuff than good stuff and the good stuff doesn't stay as good in the second season while the bad stuff is slightly less bad, but still quite bad.
No , it was its moments but it is scientific fiction concept overload , clones , quantum physics, AI , FTL, genetic engineering , robots, ete etc
It was bits of every sci-fi show and film you have every seen in it star wars , dunc , bladerunner , terminator, alternated carbon, aliens you name it
all jumped together in a story that spans centuries
where nobody quite dies and several characters have multiple versions and realities of themselves
At one point a character is about to be executed and he ~gives the "tears in the rain " speech from bladerunner or something very similar top be precise
the problem with the empire isn't so much that its bad (even though the writers think it is, despite not being able to come up with any good reasons why) but that its become reliant upon technology it can't replace.
one suicide bomber with one nuke could do comparable amounts of damage if they set it off in the right place. hell, its really just a scaled up version of 9/11
>supposed to look like a goofy nobody with pithy, witty lines >get a post-apocalyptic psi-warrior whose schizo ramblings are growled from a mouth full of rocks
K I N O
FUCK wrong webm
Surprise anon, they all magically survived in an unexplained and apparently indestructible vault created by a dude who understands "math"
Wait really? Please tell me no
How the fuck did Seldon get his hands on the vault's tech? That's so advanced it's some late-books, Gaia shit.
It’s fucking Eternity level TARDIS shit is what it is.
Also kind of bothers me how "Seldon predicted Empire would come in person on Terminus and plotted a whole conspiracy around it", i understand the show diverges from the books but the whole point of psychohistory is how it can't predict individual behaviors.
>can't predict the clone output of 5000 clones
Pretty sure it's really easy to predict what the 5000th clone will do.
It's basically the same as predicting the next /tv thread.
ok, that makes sense
I think that was supposed to not be psychohistory and instead just Harri being smart enough to predict exactly what Cleon would do.
His plan didn't even rely on Cleon showing up, just that they'd send the entire fleet, which was probably extremely predictable, and that Hober would be able to bluff his way onto the main ship.
>How the fuck did Seldon get his hands on the vault's tech
He didn't it's obvious the surviving robots gave him this tech
Yeah... that was... well I guess I appreciate that it ended on a nice note instead of the utter annihilation of the good guys' 100 years of effort
dude just count prime numbers lmao
hate this shit. they show them counting primes up to ~87 million. there are about 5 million primes less than 87 million
>by a dude
yikes, don't they know black queens invented math?
>this isn’t a joke they literally inexplicably saved everyone except the two most competent male characters
Are you fucking kidding me?
What the fuck is this diamond thing? Why is it so advanced?
It’s a quantum tesseract… also known as a “plot device” you pleb nagger. The story is about sociology not physics
It would be better if most of terminus died
I don’t care if some characters were saved in the plot device the whole civilization? Fucking stupid
It was dumb because of what it did, which was allow the planets to be destroyed just to help set the twist bait for the audience, it wasn’t dumb because it was scientifically impossible.
Could have saved the clone too, and then made things awkward for Empire when it's clone vs clone.
it reminded me of the ultimate intelligence from the hyperion cantos
it's a multi-dimensional super computer, the diamond thing (and also the dodecahedron) is just a way to access it in our dimensional space
It's not like it matters. The series ended with a 150 year time skip anyway so they'll all be dead now anyway.
To be fair Seldon is the most competent character in the series.
>"the actions of the individual dont matter to psychohistory"
>all this show ever does is show how individuals are changing the course of the prediction
>"violence is the last refuge of the incompetent"
>*beats you to death with a stick*
Don't worry, we'll reference it as an off-hand comment at some later point, and then dismiss it.
I guess in a mentalic context he is incompetent
>he didn’t watch the show
>if you did you’d know they already established that foundation had surprised and reverse engineered their tech
>made a new device called castling device that can be coupled with personal aura
>a majority of foundation population wear the castling devices/aura devices, therefore all Hari needed to do was teleport them to the vault
I am quite confident the Vault was built by robots from Earth as was bio-Hari
damn I didn't even think that lady was a robot on the desert planet. Makes sense that they kept saying "no lifesigns detected"
well, to stupid people, smart people really are literally wizards
Whats is wrong with colors in this webm?
Incorrect HDR conversion.
Such as colors getting values from 1024 values instead of 256, and fucking due incorrectly downsizing those values. Or there being separate light values per pixel, but the software isn't saving or converting that into good values.
Somebody really liked Phantom Menance enough to replicate that many elements.
Not the worst referance material, but they would get more likely by aping LOGH or trying something original.
kek, someone saved my super compressed webm
stop making webms you fucking retards
pew pew pew
this one atleast look like it was made by a human
fuck off smooth brain
ill try spinning, that's a nice trick
Get fucked!
that's a man
I didn't like this cleon
Demrezel you fucked up
I bypassed Salvor lmfao
just as I was starting to like her too bros 🙁
Nah it was right and good, all she did that season was also be there while Gaal and Hari were doing important things. Her most important contribution to the whole season is just being someone to whom the secret plan could be explained so the audience could hear
Robo milf.Best character in this shit show.
I like how you can never tell if it's actually just her programming or actual feelings, and neither can Demerzel. For an understated character every single scene she was in happens to be great even back in S1.
Emperor by accident made her human, made her whole. That programming is no different from true love. She is forced like we all are.
checked
>She is forced like we all are.
more human than human, except For The Empire!
the weird part is the robot itself said it just happened to be wearing a female body when cleon discovered it but it adopted the female persona henceforth
Most interesting robot/AI to come along in years
>when your super loyal, mentally conditioned honor guard don’t immediately gun down the guy who just killed you
Was the show trying to imply the guards were confused by the castling thing?
I felt like it was implied the general and the ship were on the verge of rebellion
Yea I disliked that part. The Bel Riose stuff is probably my least favorite plotline yet.
>general is always going on missions himself
>getting in fistfights with prisoners
>going on missions with gay bf
>punching the emperor to decide the fate of the universe
I realize there are cost restrictions, and the story has to be character driven for the sake of normies.. but I really wish they could expand the scope of the show. Something similar to early GoT, where yes, big plot developments happened over a single sword fight or something.. but battles were still more than just important characters fighting.
>going on missions with gay bf
I kept asking myself "wtf is his rank?"
First he's hanging out on the bridge, then gay away team with the Cap'n, then he's the starfighter squadron commander (there is only 1 squadron)
Demerzel dropped the ball here
Most science fi shows to awful with scale
Even if the foundation is just terminus they should have armies and fleets
So much sci fi treats planets like a town
Yea it’s the same problem as something like supernatural, where God is fist fighting Lucifer… and they say it’s for “the fate of the universe” but all we can imagine is two dudes.
I wonder how the budget for this compares to early GoT. Because credit where it’s due, they made the show feel much bigger by doing shit like the battle of black water.
>the spacers betrayal
Was the real dagger to empire, so it sucks they didn’t lean into that more. Would’ve let psychohistory be the real reason for the defeat as “spacer angst being under the boot of empire” + “a rising power in the galaxy that has made a way to get the stuff they need” + “empire overreach of power” = betrayal is actually something Hari could have predicted.
I just wish psychohistory was more a science and less magical future telling superpower. The fact Hari has predicted the Mule at all tells me they’re changing a lot of the themes of his story
>The fact Hari has predicted the Mule at all
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the prime radiant just predict another crisis around the time that Gaal saw him?
(Which, yeah, still seems too specific but at least it's not literally saying "guy X will show up in area Y and do action Z")
You could be right. But even that is kind of predicting the Mule. Unless the premise is there was supposed to be another crisis and the Mule situation supplants it.
I guess that happens in the book in a way when they get the Sheldon crisis about “you have now managed the rebellion” and they’re like wtf are you talking about?
But I feel like they’re missing out on the surprise nature of the Mule story as a true genetic freak. Him being an unknown or a surprise is one of the best parts, since that’s actually contrary to psychohistory. Even the second foundation was like “why aren’t our formulas working to predict this region of space? Something is very very wrong” even then knowing about it is kind of lame
game of thrones season 1 budget - $50-60M
foundation season 1 - $45M
Terminus is just a city.
it's a fucking village
they have all their industry in 1 medium sized building
No what was even worse is
>Empire of trillions of people
>Let's entrust the most important army tasks to a gay dude who hates the Empire and has refused to carry his orders in the past because they're "immoral", because surely there are no loyal and talented people among these trillions
Oh and and there's
>Race of people who can bend space
>Let's make our entire fleet dependent on the actions of one of them without a back-up plan or holding any collateral in case of mistakes/betrayal
>Let's entrust the most important army tasks to a gay dude who hates the Empire and has refused to carry his orders in the past because they're "immoral", because surely there are no loyal and talented people among these trillions
>also we held his boyfriend as leverage and then gave him back to him without at least a bomb in his head so nothing is stopping him from doing it again
>he's doing it again
robot master race my ass
Don't care...
we got Empire.
Without the dross, you don't get the drayage.
Pretty sure the spacer thing only worked because they had ALL decided to betray empire. They have some kind of mindlink thing going on, the spacer on the ship was just following “the swarm” orders, or whatever they called it.
Remember harbor went to tell them the foundation could make the unobtanium the spacers needed? So empire thought they had a monopoly on spacer food bc they didn’t know about the foundation advancing enough to make the stuff. I actually thought that was the best plotline in this whole mess.
>Remember harbor went to tell them the foundation could make the unobtanium the spacers needed? So empire thought they had a monopoly on spacer food bc they didn’t know about the foundation advancing enough to make the stuff. I actually thought that was the best plotline in this whole mess.
It’s ripped off of Dune, though. The spice must flow.
>le X is just a copy of Y!
This is such a braindead way to analyze tv and film.
Considering the Empire knew the Foundation had more advanced space folding technology and had already approached the spacers to turn them to their cause, they should have contigencies.
>Race of people who can bend space
Kek, they themselves don’t bend space, just navigate it and can stay awake during jumps. Old outdated and unnecessary in terms of tech.
The fact that you didn’t know this proves your comprehension is that of a toddler.
Everyone was going to die anyway I guess
Are you retarded? They were facing impending doom and the general was the only person with authority who could maybe save them.
This show peaked with Dusk BTFO the clone and rebels in S1. Season 2 the Cleons besides Dusk weren't that interesting, and anything that isn't Empire is just as shit as always or perhaps even worse with Hari Sue
I have a feeling the same thing that happened with man in the high castle
>the evil bad empire is too likable and nobody likes our plucky liberal diverse rebels
>quick sabotage the best parts of our show to elevate our self insert liberal protags
High Castle was never about how awesome the reich is. Sorry you got filtered.
Not intentionally, but it was the most interesting part of the show.
>oh man this highly advanced alternative future the nazis built, that is clean, functional, where people with debilitating illnesses save everyone the stress of dealing with them, is totally heckin bad because... uh...
the point is they forgot to do anything to make the nazi future bad. the japs do most of the fucked up shit.
>the japs do most of the fucked up shit.
They should have had the American Reich pissed off that the Nips were oppressing Aryans in their part of the US while the OG 3rd Reich in Europe wants to retain good relations with the Empire. That's an interesting conflict.
That would require good writers that aren’t all a bunch of shitlibs with no real life experience
Literally all came in the third season and your opinion is ass you fag
Smith was the most interesting character, the rest of the cast was forgettable I don’t even remember the main girls name.. Gloria?
Filtered.
>Ignores all the murder
>ignores the insurrection due to hilmer wanting to do even worse shit to the country
>ignores huge areas of the country were shitholes because they fell within the dmz
>ignores being imprisoned for owning artifacts without proper paperwork or having the right connections
>ignores their plans to invade the other worlds which would result in murdering possibly billions of people
The only thing you listed that I remember is from the last season. also the artifact thing was the japs.
Yeah they changed the show after season 2 because the Reich looked awsome and comfy and the rebels were unlikable
No, they changed the show because the original showrunner ragequit.
>The only thing you listed that I remember
You not remembering is not an argument.
>it wasn’t because they didn’t make the Nazis look “le bad”
That’s exactly why and why the showrunner “quit”.
Literally get woke and touch grass are you new here?
I remember they failed to establish why the nazi america was bad. they did a decent job of establishing why the jap region was bad though. also screwed up and established the reason the DMZ was bad was communists.
>I remember they failed to establish why the nazi america was bad.
They made it clear that to be accepted in the nazi society you had to live like a robot and that you were under constant surveillance. Society looked good because they kill everyone that doesn't fit their desired profile. That's why Smith's wife's brother chose to raise his family out in the sticks away from their influence. People were brainwashed to anhero if they had genetic faults instead of finding ways to make them valuable through other professions. There were quite a few things which you clearly are biased towards, hence your faulty memory and rose tinted classes.
>we didn't bend over backwards to make a kid with HUNTINGTONS comfortable/valuable for decades, thus we had the resources to build shit on the moon. that means we're the bad guys.
you're doing a bit, right?
>we sacrificed curing a disease to put a man on the moon
Now you're just being an absolute retard. Anyway back to Foundation.
there isn't a cure for huntingtons. you can't "cure" genetic deformities without rewriting a person's entire genetic code.
The point of the story was how it was well known what they would do to the boy even before that episode came about, because they do it to anyone they deem undesirable. Again, you're a retard who can't follow the show's points and only half remembers anything. They would probably give you bullet to the brain for massive retardation.
>euthanizing people with nigthmarish genetic disorders is bad because... IT JUST IS OKAY
see, you're also forgetting to establish why that's bad. Now, if they were going to wipe out smith and his entire family as part of the eugenics program, then we might have something to work with.
Nazi america looked Amazing and if I have to let undesirables get gassed for it I would
Based and Volkpilled
The book isn’t but the show made the Reich look awesome and even gassing & incinerating the disabled son wasn’t enough of a downside to harm it. The aesthetics and ideology are just too logical. Only useless freaks would ever be mad about it
>a bunch of shit happens that maybe makes sense but probably doesn't
>it's entertaining though and comfy
I like it
>Salvor kills a white child with a throwing knife
lmfao Apple+
This show is so fucking boring.
Everything outside the 3 schitzos anyway.
>This show is so fucking boring.
just staying true to the books
>robot
>outacts everyone else in the show
I only watch the show for him. Hopefully he will be free next season.
Spice plot device introduced to explain why the spacers change sides. Planet gets blown up along with (apparent) possibility of producing the spice. Then the spacers still go along for the survival of their people. Am I the only one that thinks it would have been better if they didn't bother with the spice stuff?
anyone else skipping everything besides empire scenes?
i got like 25 minutes watchtime out of 3 episodes
and i refuse to watch more
brother day is being compromised by naggers and women
the writes are ruining him too by bringing some nagger-bride to be
i refuse
episode 10 felt like two episodes crammed into one
The demerzel storyline was kino though, she played the fuck out of black lady and her woman servant. Maybe you’re just a pleb who can’t tell the different between good and bad tv
ye but demerzel is not a woman
its a computer so i can accept watching it and no wonder nagger got played, duh
>Maybe you’re just a pleb who can’t tell the different between good and bad tv
got me there jamal, i cant appreciate the culture huh
>acts shocked when the empire decays
its shitty writing though, why would i suffer through ten cringy scenes in a row where a woman with servants around her (yaasss queeen) shittalks trantor's rings? one says empire is compensating and the other one says they small
haha! funny! like ur pp probably incel chud!
quality show u got there, negro
they're
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You're very sensitive.
>its shitty writing though, why would i suffer through ten cringy scenes in a row where a woman with servants around her (yaasss queeen) shittalks trantor's rings? one says empire is compensating and the other one says they small
There's a lot of dumb shit in the show but this kind of stuff is just hilariously petty. Literally mad that a spoiled brat is acting like a spoiled brat.
i excused it once but why show it again after 5 minues passed, just from a different person
cause thats what i assumed that its just a spoiled brat but why show different strong woman saying the same shit?
shit writing
>watch show about a decaying empire
>acts shocked when the empire decays
I think a lot of us picked up this habit in season 1. Literally skip to the empire scenes. I skimmed the entire second season for empire scenes. I feel like I'm missing out on good storylines, but I don't know which ones or if any, and I'm too afraid of getting unlucky with woke trash so I just keep skimming.
Go and watch The Birth of a Nation for the 150th time and have a wank bro, nobody gives a fucking shit about you.
Weird. His comment was one of the more interesting ones. Yours is pedestrian and worthless
Empire is Cleary the best parts of the show
I agree completely.
It was the childish nonsense about not watching any other part of it because something something muh naggers that identified him as a fucking idiot. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
See above.
I don’t want to watch bad nagger actresses do a bad job
Why not do the jump trick leaving trantor? Why even give them a chance to blow up terminus ? Why not do it in or it above the capital for all to see?
I don’t care about the foundation at all I just want to see the intrigues of empire over the decades as the empire falls apart
esl here what does bypassing the compressor mean? google shows nothing
new term for being woke
I think it is a reference to Force Awakens.
>start reading the great "foundation"
>oh we did some math 10000 years ago so you already lost this conflict silly, we predicted everything ever
wow so deep, glad I dropped this shit
booba
Booba indeed.
are we skipping to 20, 21 & 22?
Yeah well dusk is dead, day is dead and dawn is on the run
>dawn is on the run
this is really the big hook as it's totally original for the show. it's interesting that demerzel's programming compels her to hunt dawn now. succession crisis?
They are jumping 150 years so I expect a rival empire based on dusk and the black chick based in her kingdom agaisnt trantor
It’s far enough in the future that nobody can say for sure whose legit
Good set up for a major galactic scale war
>It’s far enough in the future that nobody can say for sure whose legit
Day announced that he was ending the clone line so Dawn continuing that plan & marrying whats her name like Day was planning should give them a lot of legitimacy compared to Lady D and her decanted re-runs
Hasn't aged a day.
this is all you need to know about this show
>written for television
>it's a webseries
I don't have issue with either "all according to keikaku, I triggered it thirty-five minutes ago" twist but having two major plot strands resolved that way in one finale seems like poor writing
>the Mule can derail the plan because he can't be predicted
OK but like Gaal can just apparently mindcast to the future and knows he's going to be there so
I mean they had 152 years to find a solution
that would mean he can be predicted making him predictable
I think Gaal's seeing the future is a combination of both the mathematical prediction of the Radiant and her mentalic abilities though. So the Mule can't be predicted by just the Radiant, which is why he's not part of Seldon's plan, but we know he's going to happen now by other means, so surely there's a way to just factor him in and neutralise him beforehand.
brother day's death was kino af and actually caught me off guard
>this is a brilliant mathematician who lives the life of the mind
HEEERES HAAARI!!
You think Uncle Ted wouldn't have smashed someone with a rock?
Don't sully the Blessed Martyr's name by associating him with this trash
Sometimes battering someone to a pulp is the most logical & rational solution
>"we counted proims togetha!"
This scene had one of the best acting in like 5 years when it comes to tv shows.
I liked it too. The awkwardness really got across that they were aware and scared of their impending death, but still tried to make the best out of the situation.
I liked it too, a bit silly but who cares
Acting and writing were phenomenal for this scene. It was such a surprise in a good way
lets not get crazy but yea they drove how scared they were pretty good
it was one of 2 scenes I liked in the whole episode
the other was dusk with demerzel and the paint trick
it is pretty good scifi show. i like it.
my favorites are day/dusk, gaal, tthe two priests and demerzel
>gaal
She's annoying, even more so now she's got mentallic superpowers
i like her, she's hot and has good voice
day dusk demerzel and old pajeet are kino
I'm glad he survived
yea he's cool
u ave gud taste
To make this show enjoyable literally just skip all the scenes without empire. I'm not even kidding. I had no idea what happened to the browns and homosexuals outside of the barest gist.
maybe now there's enough material for an Imperium supercut
Yea you could probably do a super cut with only a handful of lines/shots from the rest of the show and have a fully co hereby empire only story
The main issue is the start of the show because you have to decide on when you actually start. Gaal going to Trantor is a very cool part that sets up the Spacers and explains who the Cleons are and you get to see bits of Trantor.
So is it all just fags and BIPOC girl issues all the way down?
they just killed off one, so theres that
Maybe I just haven't given it a fair chance, but every time I try to watch Foundation I just bounce off it so hard due to the casting choices and the changes they made to characters. Feels very forced to me, but I know that's due to my own biases.
nearly dropped it in s1 because it was so bad, but s2 is much better (acting- and story-wise)
i havent read the books though
Most main characters are pretty damn good. Except salvor wasn't good
fucking hell they ruined the whole season with that shitty last episode
>le retcon of the last few episodes for starters, akchully it was all according to keikaku
>le all is good but then salvor is kill at the last minute, would make for much better pacing and sense if it happened during the main confrontation
>le shitty magic vault does whatever the plot demands on a whim
>le shitty muttkween didn't get skinned alive and buried in a salt pit
this is all just shit
nothing got resolved because the characters did something clever or impressive it was all through contrived writing
>le retcon of the last few episodes for starters
nothing was retconned.
All of the people from the first foundation magically teleported to the ark and survived so, yeah he is right it did get massively changed, how did a planet spanning civilization teleport instantly?
they jumped the fucking shark and cloned it.
They undermined the only good thing about the season and then killed him off over garbage.
The gay plurality wins again..yeah..
I'm sure some gay diva from the future is going to smoke the Mule and they'll sing shitty songs as they beam up into Gaia in their gay shitty hive mind.
Fuck off.
they're not real people. just phantoms like the terminus seldon
I meant the mental planet retcon
maybe not a retcon per se but
>hmm however will our heroines get out of that quite a predicament, hmm lets see
suddenly it was all a ruse and harry was alive the whole time and gale knew about everything the whole time and harry was behind the bushes the whole time and gale has all those amazing powers she now knows how to control as the necessity arises on a momentary notice and the female tealc suddenly doesn't know about everything that's going on about everyone at all times
He would be great Dr Doom. Fuck he would great in anything, pure overflowing charisma.
at least Salvor is dead
gaal should have died
i see they've given him an oranger tan and blonder hair so you'll realize he's trump.
damn, i missed that. it's not even subtle.
Nah, Vault Hari made a copy or some other bullshit. Flattop will be back.
that's good. now gaal and seldon psycho children will thrive
who is going to make the second foundation, the psykers haven't been taught shit about anything.
Did you miss the speech about taking a year off in order to train them?
>immediately goes into cryo sleep
>what is a timelapse
they start the training and come back every year for 150 years
>at least Salvor is dead
it's hard to connect with a show that has naggers in Space, that's not sci fi, that's fantasy
>people love Empire in the first season
>has all the best plot lines
>Day does crazy shit like go on a desert pilgrimage but still perseveres
>season 2 has Day consistently 2 steps behind his black queen and the foundation
>not even Demrezel likes him anymore
what a scam season
You get that that's a different clone right? More than a century has passed.
yes but Empire is the best part of the show, season 2 just had him follow a path of self destruction, starting with the destruction of the genetic dynasty itself.
Yes, anon. the show is about the fall of empire. Glad you're finally catching on.
without empire there is nothing to be invested in, just some gays and black people in outer space
Ok.
They could get it.
The generic flaw has given the late model Days Irumodic Syndrome
you guys DO know people actually bypass compressors IRL, right?
Why did Asimov foresee a future in which we would return to having a space emperor and space royalty? He's lived both extremes, communistic dictatorship and capitalistic democracy. It's probably just an interesting combination.
>Why did Asimov foresee a future in which we would return to having a space emperor and space royalty?
Because he was doing Fall of the Roman Empire in Space
A big difference between the original books and the show is that Asimov views an Empire that maintains galactic peace as broadly a good thing, even if it's a bit repressive, compared to barbarism and interstellar wars wrecking planets
How else would you rule a civilization across vast time and space differences
If you think about it a feudal model where systems and planets rule themselves and pay fealty and taxes to the main sovereign makes sense
>all the best sci fi has a confederation/feudal government for Galaxy wide empires
the idea we'd need to revert to city-state or even feudal style governance for interstellar organization is informed by how that would be easier than figuring out FTL communication.
Yes large national governments today with instant communication are barely keeping it together imagine if it took weeks or months to communicate/visit with parts of the empire
By necessity theyd need to have a lot of local autonomy
People don’t realize even empires like Rome who did a lot of work trying to romanize everyone still spent most
If it’s history with locals and provincials largely living their lives and self ruling
Is this show good now? I watched season one and everything outside of the Empire was painful to watch. I don't remember much about the actual foundation scenes except there was some Mary Sue black girl who was really annoying.
Season 2 is an improvement they seem to get a groove going. Empire stuff is still the best but the other stuff isn’t as bad
The show is genuinely great one scene and then it goes to literal CW trash tier the other. People talking about making an Imperium supercut aren't talking out of their asses, it might genuinely be the "real" show
Yeah that's exactly how I remember season 1. It was like they had two completely separate writing teams.
I like it.
It's basically GoT crossed with Dunc. The latter seasons of GoT though...
empire is not as good as season 1 but the rest is better than the rest of season 1
overall a bit better season but day is being shat on the whole time and finale is shit while season 1 day was based and triumphant and finale was great
coincidentally
I’m okay with that though since in season 3 isn’t empire going to be like in full blown collapse/civil war?
So it makes sense for the first season for empire to be (seemingly) triumphant, in season 2 empire managers to pull out a win barely with heavy losses in season 3 empire is going to be a total mess
He is just like me.
how long do u think she made it
She's probably still alive, ancient, and insane.
S3E1 476 years later , opening scene Asura in her cell counting primes
counting eggs
Is this good bros?
That’s complicated
Yes and also no
its good if you ignore all the bad stuff and there's a lot more bad stuff than good stuff and the good stuff doesn't stay as good in the second season while the bad stuff is slightly less bad, but still quite bad.
some stuff will make you loose focus out of boredom and other stuff will make you think it's the coolest shit ever
No , it was its moments but it is scientific fiction concept overload , clones , quantum physics, AI , FTL, genetic engineering , robots, ete etc
It was bits of every sci-fi show and film you have every seen in it star wars , dunc , bladerunner , terminator, alternated carbon, aliens you name it
all jumped together in a story that spans centuries
where nobody quite dies and several characters have multiple versions and realities of themselves
I guess it appeals to a certain niche of nerds
Like 40k
At one point a character is about to be executed and he ~gives the "tears in the rain " speech from bladerunner or something very similar top be precise
Trantor = Coruscant
son, I am disappoint
>i'll decant a better one to my liking
the empires technology is so amazing , why can they not just create a utopia for everyone?
The show hasn’t shown anyone living in truly terrible conditions
the problem with the empire isn't so much that its bad (even though the writers think it is, despite not being able to come up with any good reasons why) but that its become reliant upon technology it can't replace.
Literally finished the first book an hour or so ago.
Is the show good? Is it faithful if not in plot and characters, at least story and themes?
it uses the names and concepts of the books then mostly just goes off on OC tangents.
it's good if you're not one of those shits who think asimov was a master writer
It’s only faithful to the book in the broadest sense
i've seen this poster a million times but for different movies and shows
> No Caves of Steel, then Naked Sun robokino
Yeah, just ignore the best books you Hollywood fruits
I thought a just two suicide bombers bringing down sky bridge and killing 100 million people was a bit much
one suicide bomber with one nuke could do comparable amounts of damage if they set it off in the right place. hell, its really just a scaled up version of 9/11
uhhh Demerzel gave them a superbomb or something idk
yep a single fag with a pistol can just land on top of the seat of galactic empire and the imperial guard can just act like jar jar binks
apple was 8 seasons planned
haven't watched the show, did they do the mule arc yet?
They're setting it up for next season. He looks like this now and can fly
>supposed to look like a goofy nobody with pithy, witty lines
>get a post-apocalyptic psi-warrior whose schizo ramblings are growled from a mouth full of rocks
season 2 looks so cool, is it worth getting through season 1? I remember it was panned when it came out