I can't shake the feeling that Viv was earnestly trying to imitate Vasquez

The same grotesqueness and acidity, the same edginess... Damn, she even stole some design elements and hired a VA associated with Vasquez' most famous work.
So, why do Viv's creations evoke a sense of cringe, while Jhonen's masterpieces make you want to reread/rewatch them? What did she miss?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't seen any of Viv's work and not enough of Vazquez's but if I had to hazard a guess Vasquez's work came from a different place, so to speak, and so is more naturally thoughtful and genuine even if a lot of it is gory and edgy. Viv is a fan who follows Vasquez but she isn't drawing and creating her material for the same reasons as him or with the same thought process or views on the world, so her works are innately more shallow. Many such cases.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jhonen is aware that there is a cringe aspect inherent to his art style and subject matter that requires self deprecation and mockery on some level to exude a subconscious aura of self awareness that negates the prior cringe through openly being aware within the world itself that all his characters are flawed.
    Viv just made it so that she unironically copied the style and edgy-cuteness of it all without any subtlety or self awareness, and tries to portray things as beautiful unironically rather than adding in a self aware layer that there is cringe there.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jhonen is aware that there is a cringe aspect inherent to his art style and subject matter that requires self deprecation and mockery on some level to exude a subconscious aura of self awareness that negates the prior cringe through openly being aware within the world itself that all his characters are flawed.
      Cuck mentality. Cringe culture is a fricking poison to art

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hi viv, show your fat breasts

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fat.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh NOW Cinemaphile has a problem wit copying notes? Frick off and die, hypocrite.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Creative inbreeding
    Jhonen's art never came out of a vacuum
    He had multiple influences that molded what he creates
    When you take something from the surface level and try to emulate it without understanding the deeper influences, all you'll make is a poor imitation i.e. RWBY

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember the Mmy chapter in JTHM? That was totally the Ill Will Press guy. I think it's funny that Viv aped it too but Jhonen couldn't parody it at the time because none of use knew we'd end up here. None of us knew that a shitty bookstore website would become a megacorporation that broadcasted a sparkledog cartoon to millions of people. That JTHM chapter just wouldn't work.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Mmy chapter
      >vulgar imitator who does not understand the ideology of whom he imitates
      Hmm...

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As someone never into Vasquez it all looks like Hot Topic cringe bullshit

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because viv focuses on shitty melodrama instead of action or comedy enough. Yeah JTHM had drama but it was FAR more entertaining

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >for the first time in your life you feel happy in someone's company
      >decide to murder that person, to encapsulate this moment
      Viv has no balls nor fantasy to make such a trope.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is also kind of the problem: Viv lasers in on bad soap opera levels of petty drama whereas Zim did everything to AVOID that kind of thing, even to the point where Vasquez made it clear that Zim was never going to be that kind of story.

      It's something that Steven Universe did too, I don't know what it is about Zim that attracts melodrama-loving people like Sugar and Vivzie.

      >for the first time in your life you feel happy in someone's company
      >decide to murder that person, to encapsulate this moment
      Viv has no balls nor fantasy to make such a trope.

      Also this: a lot of Zim and Johnny exists for Jhonen to vent out his frustrations with other people: think about how often people end up as collateral damage or the constant emphasis on how stupid everyone else is.

      Viv meanwhile is too afraid to actually show that level of aggression towards other people unless they're people Viv has petty beef with for insipid reasons, and even then it is always carried out safely and as clean as possible.

      Oh come on, I really doubt there’s a single truly wealthy El Salvadorian in the USA lmao.
      SVA is not a rich exclusive school. I’m from one of the shittiest cities in the country and I have a friend who went to it.

      It's been well recorded that Viv comes from a rich family.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's been well recorded that Viv comes from a rich family.
        It's not and you've never been able to produce any evidence when asked

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vasquez himself copied Tim Burton.

    I feel like Vasquez’s edginess was a little more genuine in the sense that I think he had some of that troubled teen school shooter energy. I don’t know if it’s necessarily a good thing but there it is.

    Viv is trying to make Invader Zim, but she’s an edgy cute Hot Topic Zim lipstick buyer fangirl type who thought ZimxDib yaoi was kawaii. Vasquez is always wrong about social alienation and mental health while Viv just thinks bishie Zim is hot basically.

    I’m not making it a gender thing because Steven Universe feels much more sincere, and even Owl House or Star vs. feel sincere. I don’t think this necessarily makes it worse but Viv’s stuff feels very fanficcy, she just thought Invade Zim was cool.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man that typo. I meant to type Vasquez is always WRITING about social alienation and so on, though he might be wrong. His themes could definitely be childish, but they seemed legit. I don’t think Vic’s are so much.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I feel like Vasquez’s edginess was a little more genuine in the sense that I think he had some of that troubled teen school shooter energy. I don’t know if it’s necessarily a good thing but there it is.
      Vasquez has said before that he wrote jthm because he had violent thoughts, if i'm remembering right. That's what johnny kills people over small and stupid things. It's because some of that shit irritates vasquez irl. That might be the source of why it was so genuine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's what makes johnny kill people over small and stupid things.*

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So, why do Viv's creations evoke a sense of cringe, while Jhonen's masterpieces make you want to reread/rewatch them?
    That's literally just your opinion bro like personally I would fight a holy war for Vivzie.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jhonen was talented and creative, while Viv just stacks up as many cliches & tropes as she can. Jhonen was making underground comics with ink on paper, while Viv is making bloated vanity projects with daddy's money.

    It's not about Viv missing a key ingredient, it's about them being fundamentally different people with a gulf between their levels of talent.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vasquez's art works because the dude grew up in the suburbs of San Jose in a working class family: not exactly poor, but not exactly rich either. Notably he went to Mt. Pleasant High which was kind of a shithole. He struggled, and it tends to show that artists who face adversity/conflict usually have something to say about the world around them. Johnny, Zim, and all of Jhonen's works all share what Jhonen has to say about the world during the time in which he wrote them

    >the world is a shithole run by morons and most people are either willfully ignorant, groomed into being stupid, or violently misanthropic
    >but at the same time, there's still a beauty to life and one shouldn't give up despite how easy it would be to do so

    Viv has never struggled. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth to two very wealthy parents. She's never had to grow up in a shitty high school or survive on her own all while facing the worst of what society offers during a very topsy-turvy time in American history.

    >and worse than that, she's not even very well-read

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the world is a shithole run by morons and most people are either willfully ignorant, groomed into being stupid, or violently misanthropic
      >but at the same time, there's still a beauty to life and one shouldn't give up despite how easy it would be to do so
      wow how unique, not

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh come on, I really doubt there’s a single truly wealthy El Salvadorian in the USA lmao.
      SVA is not a rich exclusive school. I’m from one of the shittiest cities in the country and I have a friend who went to it.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HH is theater kid Vazquez of course she was imitating him and with good reason that shit sticks like grease to the bottom of the oven, 200 years and kids are still obsessing over it

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vasquez had Nickoloedeon constantly tardwrangling his edginess with Zim, which forced him to be creative. Viv doesn’t really have much of anyone doing that with her shows.

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