>Plan to get caught so you can get close to Han and Sasquatch >Hide weapon on rolling trash can who is unwaveringly loyal to you >Retrieve it after you've been searched for weapons
Is that hard to understand?
I think leia/lando had a plan to use chewbacca as a way to get close enough to break out han and then escape under the cover of night. Then luke separately had a plan of using r2d2 to smuggle in his saber and kill everyone if he couldn't buy off jabba. But they don't explicitly say that there are two separate plans
It makes no sense. Leia surely didn't plan to become a temp prostitute just so that Han and Chewie could be united. She probably tried to sneak Han out of the palace and have Lando rescue Chewie from the dungeon.
>here's the plan >we get caught and then you give me the lightsaber >we kill everyone
Why not just go in there with the lightsaber and kill everyone in the first place. There is no scenario here that doesn't involve a fight where literally everyone dies.
r2 and 3po could escape later if the negotiations would go right.
I meant where luke doesn't kill everyone. Which is exactly what ends up happening. Literally all of jabba's crew is killed.
I wasn't talking about the heroes dying. Luke should have just went in there with a lightsaber and slayed everyone upfront instead of doing it in some convoluted escapade.
Rey, did I ever tell you about Princess Leia? She was my military leader sister, a fine piece of ass from a more civilized age. She had the tightest ass and the perkiest breasts in the galaxy. Han and I used to doubleteam her at the end of every successful mission, and once in a while we’d even have the entire Rogue Squadron a train over her, all for official unit morale of course. In time, she learned how to handle flyboys in her garbage chute better than anyone in the Rebellion. We told her there were no bras in space and since she was always wearing a sheer white dress you'd see her nipples poking through in every strategy meeting. One time I even got her to go to Jabba's palace to free Han and she got captured and put in a loincloth and raped by Jabba for a week before I showed up to "rescue" her. It was surreal, like a constant porno Rey, you have no idea. And she was a good friend.
He had not planned on going himself. Leia was supposed to free Han while disguised as Boushh and Lando would get Chewbacca and they'd escape under the cover of night after everybody was all partied out. Jabba suspected this treachery though, and captured all of them again. The idea was to not try and straight-up fight the most powerful crime lord in the outter rim.
When the gang did not show up at the rendezvous point, Luke became worried and went to negotiate with Jabba himself, hoping to avoid a lot of bloodshed. Again, making an enemy of a Hutt would just create more problems for the rebellion if they managed to get away without killing Jabba and his cronies.
Luke did learn a thing or two about being a Jedi, and he knew that violence as a first resort was a quick path to the Dark Side. He could have gone in there guns blazing, but that was not the Jedi way.
It makes no sense. Leia surely didn't plan to become a temp prostitute just so that Han and Chewie could be united. She probably tried to sneak Han out of the palace and have Lando rescue Chewie from the dungeon.
>Luke did learn a thing or two about being a Jedi, and he knew that violence as a first resort was a quick path to the Dark Side. He could have gone in there guns blazing, but that was not the Jedi way.
That's really lame and gay.
He clearly did plan to go in himself since he hid his lightsaber inside R2 and sent him in ahead of him. What I want to know is, why? He made it into Jabba's with no problem. If he had his lightsaber at that point, he could've just ended it there.
Sending a military force would tip off both the empire and jabba, jabba could then just put han under tighter security and it would be a hostage situation that the rebels couldn’t rely on winning. It had to be covert. Regarding who is sent: Leia wouldn’t have accepted sitting it out, Lando was previously unaffiliated with the rebellion so wouldn’t fall under suspicion, and Luke basically their strongest agent with magic powers.
Aside from there not being an obvious “original” plan, there are other problems with the bigger picture surrounding Han’s rescue, like the problem of Lando. The problem with Lando is that he was undercover as a thug/guard in Jabba’s palace and that Boba Fett spent a lot of time there. Lando and Boba Fett knew each other. For example, they spent time together on Cloud City. Boba Fett likely anticipated where Han was taking the Millennium Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back because he knew Han Solo and Lando Calrissian were friends. And, it’s likely that he learned that Lando helped our heroes after betraying them and was now part of their group. I certainly doubt that Fett wouldn’t have recognized Lando at some point. In short, it was super risky sending Lando in as the mole.
>boba fett walks up to lando in disguise >"do i know you?" >lando denies it >boba doesn't want to press the issue because he was afraid of seeming racist
Chocolate rain,
some stay dry while others feel the pain
That brings us to the problem of Boba Fett. In The Empire Strikes Back, only Boba Fett caught up with Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon and interacted with Darth Vader. Vader made it clear that his real goal was to capture a man named Luke Skywalker alive. In Return of the Jedi, Boba Fett was in the room when R2-D2 played Luke’s message. So Boba Fett knew that the man Darth Vader wanted alive was coming to Jabba’s palace. Certainly, the first thing Fett should have done was get on the red phone with Darth “Moneybags” Vader and say something like, “Yo! Vitamin V! Your boy is coming to Jabba’s crib. Bring a million space bucks for my tip. Laterz!“, for example. Instead, Boba Fett was literally going to stand around while Jabba threw a huge payday down a hole in the sand.
Maybe Boba Fett figured Luke was too dangerous to bother leaving him alive any longer than necessary and decided to settle on a smaller payout from Jabba?
The amount of time that Lando spent in Jabba's palace isn't firmly established. For all we know, he killed a guard and took his uniform the same day that Leia showed up, so he might not have been there long enough for Boba Fett to notice him.
That brings us to the problem of Boba Fett. In The Empire Strikes Back, only Boba Fett caught up with Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon and interacted with Darth Vader. Vader made it clear that his real goal was to capture a man named Luke Skywalker alive. In Return of the Jedi, Boba Fett was in the room when R2-D2 played Luke’s message. So Boba Fett knew that the man Darth Vader wanted alive was coming to Jabba’s palace. Certainly, the first thing Fett should have done was get on the red phone with Darth “Moneybags” Vader and say something like, “Yo! Vitamin V! Your boy is coming to Jabba’s crib. Bring a million space bucks for my tip. Laterz!“, for example. Instead, Boba Fett was literally going to stand around while Jabba threw a huge payday down a hole in the sand.
How do we know that Boba didn't do exactly that? Even if Vader wanted to capture Luke at Tatooine, he might not have been able to send any troops there in time. This is a Galaxy we're talking about. Besides, he and the Emperor were banking on Luke coming to them eventually (the whole scheme with the deflector shield on Endor, etc).
>Boba Fett likely anticipated where Han was taking the Millennium Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back because he knew Han Solo and Lando Calrissian were friends.
Yeah, it's not like the film actually SHOWS Boba following them or anything.
I remember at one point in the production of ESB, Lando's backstory was that he was a clone. Maybe they were still thinking about this in RotJ, and so Boba had seen many Landos before and would not think much of it.
>For example, they spent time together on Cloud City
Playing cribbage and watching the sunset?
Boba barely interacted with Lando. Lando didn't even know his name.
Did you not notice Leia, Lando, and Chewie?
The first two were already undercover. Chewie was Luke's way in. It's not rocket science.
No, it didn't go according to plan. But it worked. They rolled with it. Han's free, the good guys survive, and Jabba is a slug flambé. What's the problem?
Lando infiltrates the palace to make sure Han's there and relay the info to Luke and Leia.
Leia goes in to unfreeze Han. If it's a trap as it turns out to be, Han will at least be mobile during Luke's rescue.
Luke arrives to negotiate. If Jabba agrees to release Han, everyone makes out ("you can either profit by this..."). If he turns the offer down, Luke has two plans: force-grab a blaster and force Jabba to take the deal, or if he gets captured (and searched), have R2 will launch his lightsaber to him at the Sarlaac pit.
Problems with this being the plan
The problem is assumptions. Miles and miles of assumptions. Here are the assumptions they made:
That Jabba wouldn’t just execute everyone in their cells or in the main room.
Jabba would make Leia his slave/dancing girl and not throw her in a cell or kill her.
That Jabba would execute them at all. He could have let them sit in a cell forever.
The executions would happen together.
Jabba would use the Sarlacc for the execution.
Jabba would bring R2-D2 and C-3PO along on the sail barge for the execution. He could have left them at the palace.
R2-D2 would be able to get somewhere that he could eject the lightsaber.
They would throw Luke in the Sarlacc first. If they threw anyone else in first, Luke getting his lightsaber in time to save him might have been problematic.
It's a cringe excuse, but you can argue that Luke was of the Qui-Gon mindset of letting the force guide his actions, and that he had meditated on this and foreseen that the plan would work despite the logic leaps involved.
A metaphysical sense of grandeur and destiny is very important for a general - his task is to gaze through a murky and unknowable haze and see the path before the rest. He becomes an oracle of violence. This is a decisiveness and confidence that cannot be taught.
I think they're working under the assumption that Jabba is very predictable, which Luke would definitely know that Jabba gets his kicks from throwing prisoners into the Sarlaac. Of course Jabba would bring 3PO, he's the translator. No idea why he would bring R2 tho.
They obviously formed their plan based on what they knew about Jabba, i.e. that that he's not likely to execute prisoners immediately but keep them alive, perhaps for bartering, and that he executes people at the Sarlaac Pit in a certain way. They just didn't go in blind.
>tfw suddenly realizing how amazing it must have been to watch this schlock the first time, without any preconceived notions about a "universe" or indeed about "cinematic universes" at all >you'd just be going "wwowwwww a FAT SPACE LIZARD CRIME LORD?" >you'd have total suspension of disbelief and a childlike wonder and "trust" that the setting wasn't a moronic mess made by incompetent morons, the setting was simply an organic extension off into the distance of your imagination of the neat imaginative things happening on screen
When 8D8 tells Boba and Fennec that these greenbois were captured, well who in the frick were they captured by? The other dozen people Boba and Fennec brought with them?
There are people out there that literally cannot feel pain. They end up hurting themselves a lot because they don't know if they just broke a toe or stabbed themselves while cutting a tomato. One guy chewed his own tongue off as a kid because he couldn't feel pain.
I think he thought mind tricks would work on Jabba. When it turns out it doesn’t, he just goes for the assassination which would’ve maybe worked, but he was stopped.
>Sends droids in as a "present" to build trust with Lightsaber hidden in R2D2 >Send secret Leia in with Punished Chewbacca to create trust >Lando gets in somehow and creates trust >Leia secretly tries to rescue Han but gets caught and enslaved >Luke comes in to save the day, doesn't go as expected with the trade (since Leia got caught removing all trust), falls into pit and gets captured. >Attempt to kill them backfires and they all escape.
I really don't know what the intention was if they wanted to kill Jabba the whole time or it just turned out that way. Not sure how Luke/Leia/Lando were going to trade for Hans' life while Chewbacca and the two droids were basically enslaved.
I forgot, I think his intention was to just get an audience with Jabba so he could Force Persuade Han and friends to go free, that's where he learned you can't mindtrick the Hutts so plan B was the forced escape.
Not Greedo himself, but two identical Rodians dressed in Greedo's duds (with popped collars) are in the palace; Beedo, and a yet unidentified look-a-like.
He sent Lando, Leia, and Chewie in first to scope things out and to back him up if a fight broke out. They unfroze Han so he could help in the escape.
He sent the droids in to sneak his lightsaber past security.
Plan A was to use the Jedi Mind Trick to get Han.
Plan B was to bust him out by force.
He got blindsided by the trap door and got captured. Fortunately they dragged him out to the desert where he could try again with Plan B.
>Sends droids in as a "present" to build trust with Lightsaber hidden in R2D2 >Send secret Leia in with Punished Chewbacca to create trust >Lando gets in somehow and creates trust >Leia secretly tries to rescue Han but gets caught and enslaved >Luke comes in to save the day, doesn't go as expected with the trade (since Leia got caught removing all trust), falls into pit and gets captured. >Attempt to kill them backfires and they all escape.
I really don't know what the intention was if they wanted to kill Jabba the whole time or it just turned out that way. Not sure how Luke/Leia/Lando were going to trade for Hans' life while Chewbacca and the two droids were basically enslaved.
Problems with this being the plan
The problem is assumptions. Miles and miles of assumptions. Here are the assumptions they made:
That Jabba wouldn’t just execute everyone in their cells or in the main room.
Jabba would make Leia his slave/dancing girl and not throw her in a cell or kill her.
That Jabba would execute them at all. He could have let them sit in a cell forever.
The executions would happen together.
Jabba would use the Sarlacc for the execution.
Jabba would bring R2-D2 and C-3PO along on the sail barge for the execution. He could have left them at the palace.
R2-D2 would be able to get somewhere that he could eject the lightsaber.
They would throw Luke in the Sarlacc first. If they threw anyone else in first, Luke getting his lightsaber in time to save him might have been problematic.
That brings us to the problem of Boba Fett. In The Empire Strikes Back, only Boba Fett caught up with Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon and interacted with Darth Vader. Vader made it clear that his real goal was to capture a man named Luke Skywalker alive. In Return of the Jedi, Boba Fett was in the room when R2-D2 played Luke’s message. So Boba Fett knew that the man Darth Vader wanted alive was coming to Jabba’s palace. Certainly, the first thing Fett should have done was get on the red phone with Darth “Moneybags” Vader and say something like, “Yo! Vitamin V! Your boy is coming to Jabba’s crib. Bring a million space bucks for my tip. Laterz!“, for example. Instead, Boba Fett was literally going to stand around while Jabba threw a huge payday down a hole in the sand.
No plan survives the first encounter with the enemy.
They had bullet points, individual objectives, and, (ostensibly) the wherewithal to adapt to the situation if/when it all went to shit.
Going in quietly gave them more options to maneuver, rather than just assaulting the front gate.
They all got out alive. Fett, as useful as he turned out to be, is gone. Jabba is dead. The Saarlacc is fed for the next 1000 years, which is another issue altogether, but irrelevant right now.
Doesn't matter how, why, or if "The Plan" worked, the mission was an unqualified success. All objectives achieved. Nobody even wounded, really. Crack a beer and pass the joint on the way back to Alderaan or wherever.
Because I haven't watched any Star Wars shit in over 15 years and it's the first planet that came to mind.
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No, wait a minute, I tell I lie. My mother in law got everyone tickets to see TFA for Christmas in theaters shortly after it came out.
I left after 25 minutes and have never looked back.
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Anonymous
>I tell I lie. My mother in law
spotted the lie, incel
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I like your projecting in lieu of actually addressing the point.
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>N-no. Nuh-uh! >It's impossible that someone else found a woman when I haven't!
Lando gets a job there and sends intel to Luke. Jabba even addresses Lando by name at one point, although the subtitles don't match. >"Lando! something Leia something"
Subtitles say, "bring her to me".
Droids "gifted" to Jabba to possibly butter him up for an amicable exchange, but mostly to smuggle Luke's lightsaber in.
Leia and Chewie go and try for a rescue while everyone is asleep. If that fails, as a last resort
Luke comes in and it goes 3 ways: he mind tricks Jabba and all is good, he murders Jabba and every last motherfricker in the place, he fricks that up and and gets sentenced to die, at the sarlacc in the middle of nowhere, far from the well guarded fortress. An execution method Lando has already witnessed a couple times, perhaps.
Have you ever killedtortured anyone?
How do you feel about a mixed workplace with different kinds of scum under one roof?
Are you familiar with repairing photonic resonators on a carbonite sled?
Putting aside the point that Luke would have had some foresight as to how it was all going to go, what would he have done if Jabba had just had a good fap or something and was feeling good so he decided to free Han after receiving the gift of the droids?
What's funny is that if the pit below Jabba's thrown room had just been filled with acid or even just a bottomless pit instead of having a slow ass rancor in it Luke would have just fricking died there lmao
Luke was the back up plan. Lukes plan was to Jedi mind trick Jabba into freeing everyone, when that plan failed his back up plan was to fight his way out with light sabre he hid inside R2.
>plan is to covertly send Leia & Lando in to unfreeze Han and sneak him out >plan fails >backup plan is to go in himself to confront Jabba directly and threaten him into releasing Han >plan also fails >improvises his way out
It's the haircut of a person that believes that a mystical all binding force guides his every move. You know, a supreme homosexual. One that would walk into the lair of a major crime lord with no plan, royally frick it up, and still win through sheer luck.
>I Dare You To Explain Luke’s Plan To Rescue Han In ‘Return of the Jedi’
It makes sense when you realize its a series of plans failing. They send in Lando to get Han, but he disappears and they can't get it done so they send in C3PO and R2 to try and buy Han's freedom; but that fails. So then Leia tries to sneak Han out; but that fails and she gets caught. So then Luke tries to sneak them out; but that fails so he tries the Jedi mind trick; but that fails and he ends up nearly getting killed by the Rancor. At this point they're all captured and it seems like they're completely fricked; but they had an ace in the hole hiding the lightsaber in R2 and they manage to fight their way out of it.
RotJ is a shit movie and it's always been shit. Nothing about the Han rescue makes sense and nothing about the ewoks makes sense. Out of the... 12? Star Wars movies only 2 are any good and the rest are dog shit.
RotJ gave us only one good thing and that's pic related.
>"a Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack"
As a jedi Luke couldn't just attack and save Han, the rescue plan had to give Jabba the opportunity to do the right thing. Luke gave him every opportunity, right up to the point where they were about to be executed. He didn't attack them, only defended against them when they tried to kill him.
It was part of the tests he had to go through to become a fully trained jedi. He may have had some insight from the force on what would happen, and that the plan to sneak his friends inside to save Han would fail. But ultimately he had to act as a jedi would act and let the force guide him.
At least that was always my understanding of the rescue plan.
I like the observation that they were basically free and clear and jabba was dead, but luke turned the artillery gun down so it would blow up Jabba's yacht and kill a few hundred people that were at worst medium-level criminals, many probably slaves
Luke blew up the death star. That's like, a million and a half people. He's a crazed mass murderer and get's off to that shit. He will never relive the high of killing a million people ever again.
The entire ghost exposition scene with alec guiness in rotj was prequel level
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Remember this is the same man that told a mother that her child liking star wars was childish banalities. He knew when he was reading something that was fricking stupid but he got paid either way.
slave jumps out from burning barge, falls 10 meters, lands breaking both his legs in tunisian desert sand, dies going out of his mind from overheating and dehydration over the course of the next 18 hours of torture
Step 1: Have Leia infiltrate Jabba's palace as a bounty hunter so she could unfreeze Han since Jabba can't put him back in Carbonite
Step 2: Leia keeps Jabba busy while Han recovers from the freezing sickness by becoming Jabba's wienersleeve for weeks on end getting SLUGGED endlessly in front of Jabba's goons before he tired of stretching out each of her prissy royal holes with his BSC and passed her off to his goons to watch her get a train run on her all day every day by the filthiest alien wieners in all of Hutt space
Step 3: Once Luke could be bothered, show up weeks later and threaten to kill Jabba knowing Jabba would try to execute them in an elaborate ritual instead of just having them dragged out back and shot in the head
Step 4: have a few drinks with the boys to celebrate the success before luke jets off to dagobah and leia spends a month in a bacta tank getting her holes healed up and the numerous alien babies she was impregnated with tractor beamed out of her ruined vag
>walk in LARPing out his newfound daddy issues and acting like a massive edgelord >expect everyone to cower and bend the knee like they do when daddy is around >they don't >sperg out and start killing people like an incel instead >ironically still ends up LARPing as his father by doing this >....from a certain point of view
Easy.
Go in, and improvise. Let the Force guide him.
Is the Force moronation?
No, it worked.
Yes. My evidence is the entire Jedi order.
You just don't get it.
This and based
He was in is gigachad phase, he didn't need a plan he had magical powers and and a lightsaber.
>and a lightsaber.
except he didn't have a light saber with him, somehow R2 had it, who had shown up before him
>Plan to get caught so you can get close to Han and Sasquatch
>Hide weapon on rolling trash can who is unwaveringly loyal to you
>Retrieve it after you've been searched for weapons
Is that hard to understand?
I think leia/lando had a plan to use chewbacca as a way to get close enough to break out han and then escape under the cover of night. Then luke separately had a plan of using r2d2 to smuggle in his saber and kill everyone if he couldn't buy off jabba. But they don't explicitly say that there are two separate plans
Was getting caught a part of his plan?
It makes no sense. Leia surely didn't plan to become a temp prostitute just so that Han and Chewie could be united. She probably tried to sneak Han out of the palace and have Lando rescue Chewie from the dungeon.
>Leia surely didn't plan to become a temp prostitute
>Lucas wiggles packet of white powder
It was bigger Luke's plan, but not regular Luke's.
Of courshe
well yeah, that's why he gave R2 with the lightsaber in it.
>here's the plan
>we get caught and then you give me the lightsaber
>we kill everyone
Why not just go in there with the lightsaber and kill everyone in the first place. There is no scenario here that doesn't involve a fight where literally everyone dies.
r2 and 3po could escape later if the negotiations would go right.
Except the one that happened.
I meant where luke doesn't kill everyone. Which is exactly what ends up happening. Literally all of jabba's crew is killed.
I wasn't talking about the heroes dying. Luke should have just went in there with a lightsaber and slayed everyone upfront instead of doing it in some convoluted escapade.
According to the comic adaptation, Luke was 4D chess-ing Manga the whole time, and always intended to be taken prisoner outside the palace
Send in Leia to free him.
If she gets caught, enslaved and raped by the big Jabba tail, go in yourself and dab on him until you get bored.
Rey, did I ever tell you about Princess Leia? She was my military leader sister, a fine piece of ass from a more civilized age. She had the tightest ass and the perkiest breasts in the galaxy. Han and I used to doubleteam her at the end of every successful mission, and once in a while we’d even have the entire Rogue Squadron a train over her, all for official unit morale of course. In time, she learned how to handle flyboys in her garbage chute better than anyone in the Rebellion. We told her there were no bras in space and since she was always wearing a sheer white dress you'd see her nipples poking through in every strategy meeting. One time I even got her to go to Jabba's palace to free Han and she got captured and put in a loincloth and raped by Jabba for a week before I showed up to "rescue" her. It was surreal, like a constant porno Rey, you have no idea. And she was a good friend.
He had not planned on going himself. Leia was supposed to free Han while disguised as Boushh and Lando would get Chewbacca and they'd escape under the cover of night after everybody was all partied out. Jabba suspected this treachery though, and captured all of them again. The idea was to not try and straight-up fight the most powerful crime lord in the outter rim.
When the gang did not show up at the rendezvous point, Luke became worried and went to negotiate with Jabba himself, hoping to avoid a lot of bloodshed. Again, making an enemy of a Hutt would just create more problems for the rebellion if they managed to get away without killing Jabba and his cronies.
Luke did learn a thing or two about being a Jedi, and he knew that violence as a first resort was a quick path to the Dark Side. He could have gone in there guns blazing, but that was not the Jedi way.
thread can be closed
>Luke did learn a thing or two about being a Jedi, and he knew that violence as a first resort was a quick path to the Dark Side. He could have gone in there guns blazing, but that was not the Jedi way.
That's really lame and gay.
Then why did he send the droids before Leia with that video message and even gave R2 his lightsaber?
is this chatgpt?
Chatgpt and Glup Shitto were good friends.
He clearly did plan to go in himself since he hid his lightsaber inside R2 and sent him in ahead of him. What I want to know is, why? He made it into Jabba's with no problem. If he had his lightsaber at that point, he could've just ended it there.
He really really wanted his sister in that bikini
these where high ranking heros of the rebellion , generals.
Why did the rebellion not give them resources (ships + men) to raid the palace?
Sending a military force would tip off both the empire and jabba, jabba could then just put han under tighter security and it would be a hostage situation that the rebels couldn’t rely on winning. It had to be covert. Regarding who is sent: Leia wouldn’t have accepted sitting it out, Lando was previously unaffiliated with the rebellion so wouldn’t fall under suspicion, and Luke basically their strongest agent with magic powers.
Aside from there not being an obvious “original” plan, there are other problems with the bigger picture surrounding Han’s rescue, like the problem of Lando. The problem with Lando is that he was undercover as a thug/guard in Jabba’s palace and that Boba Fett spent a lot of time there. Lando and Boba Fett knew each other. For example, they spent time together on Cloud City. Boba Fett likely anticipated where Han was taking the Millennium Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back because he knew Han Solo and Lando Calrissian were friends. And, it’s likely that he learned that Lando helped our heroes after betraying them and was now part of their group. I certainly doubt that Fett wouldn’t have recognized Lando at some point. In short, it was super risky sending Lando in as the mole.
>Han! It's me, Barbara!
daring synthesis
>boba fett walks up to lando in disguise
>"do i know you?"
>lando denies it
>boba doesn't want to press the issue because he was afraid of seeming racist
Chocolate rain,
some stay dry while others feel the pain
I just got the take that Fett never paid any attention to the rabble Jabba hired as guards.
>never paid any attention to the rabble
You belong down below, with the raabble
That brings us to the problem of Boba Fett. In The Empire Strikes Back, only Boba Fett caught up with Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon and interacted with Darth Vader. Vader made it clear that his real goal was to capture a man named Luke Skywalker alive. In Return of the Jedi, Boba Fett was in the room when R2-D2 played Luke’s message. So Boba Fett knew that the man Darth Vader wanted alive was coming to Jabba’s palace. Certainly, the first thing Fett should have done was get on the red phone with Darth “Moneybags” Vader and say something like, “Yo! Vitamin V! Your boy is coming to Jabba’s crib. Bring a million space bucks for my tip. Laterz!“, for example. Instead, Boba Fett was literally going to stand around while Jabba threw a huge payday down a hole in the sand.
Maybe Boba Fett figured Luke was too dangerous to bother leaving him alive any longer than necessary and decided to settle on a smaller payout from Jabba?
they all look the same to boba fett
The amount of time that Lando spent in Jabba's palace isn't firmly established. For all we know, he killed a guard and took his uniform the same day that Leia showed up, so he might not have been there long enough for Boba Fett to notice him.
How do we know that Boba didn't do exactly that? Even if Vader wanted to capture Luke at Tatooine, he might not have been able to send any troops there in time. This is a Galaxy we're talking about. Besides, he and the Emperor were banking on Luke coming to them eventually (the whole scheme with the deflector shield on Endor, etc).
>able to send any troops there in time. This is a Galaxy
There is a imperial garrison on Tatooine
>Boba Fett likely anticipated where Han was taking the Millennium Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back because he knew Han Solo and Lando Calrissian were friends.
Yeah, it's not like the film actually SHOWS Boba following them or anything.
I remember at one point in the production of ESB, Lando's backstory was that he was a clone. Maybe they were still thinking about this in RotJ, and so Boba had seen many Landos before and would not think much of it.
lmao all blacks look the same no one would've recognized him
>For example, they spent time together on Cloud City
Playing cribbage and watching the sunset?
Boba barely interacted with Lando. Lando didn't even know his name.
he was a big guy
Did you not notice Leia, Lando, and Chewie?
The first two were already undercover. Chewie was Luke's way in. It's not rocket science.
No, it didn't go according to plan. But it worked. They rolled with it. Han's free, the good guys survive, and Jabba is a slug flambé. What's the problem?
Lando infiltrates the palace to make sure Han's there and relay the info to Luke and Leia.
Leia goes in to unfreeze Han. If it's a trap as it turns out to be, Han will at least be mobile during Luke's rescue.
Luke arrives to negotiate. If Jabba agrees to release Han, everyone makes out ("you can either profit by this..."). If he turns the offer down, Luke has two plans: force-grab a blaster and force Jabba to take the deal, or if he gets captured (and searched), have R2 will launch his lightsaber to him at the Sarlaac pit.
Problems with this being the plan
The problem is assumptions. Miles and miles of assumptions. Here are the assumptions they made:
That Jabba wouldn’t just execute everyone in their cells or in the main room.
Jabba would make Leia his slave/dancing girl and not throw her in a cell or kill her.
That Jabba would execute them at all. He could have let them sit in a cell forever.
The executions would happen together.
Jabba would use the Sarlacc for the execution.
Jabba would bring R2-D2 and C-3PO along on the sail barge for the execution. He could have left them at the palace.
R2-D2 would be able to get somewhere that he could eject the lightsaber.
They would throw Luke in the Sarlacc first. If they threw anyone else in first, Luke getting his lightsaber in time to save him might have been problematic.
It's a cringe excuse, but you can argue that Luke was of the Qui-Gon mindset of letting the force guide his actions, and that he had meditated on this and foreseen that the plan would work despite the logic leaps involved.
+1
A metaphysical sense of grandeur and destiny is very important for a general - his task is to gaze through a murky and unknowable haze and see the path before the rest. He becomes an oracle of violence. This is a decisiveness and confidence that cannot be taught.
I think they're working under the assumption that Jabba is very predictable, which Luke would definitely know that Jabba gets his kicks from throwing prisoners into the Sarlaac. Of course Jabba would bring 3PO, he's the translator. No idea why he would bring R2 tho.
They obviously formed their plan based on what they knew about Jabba, i.e. that that he's not likely to execute prisoners immediately but keep them alive, perhaps for bartering, and that he executes people at the Sarlaac Pit in a certain way. They just didn't go in blind.
>from my point of view, Jabba needed a plan!
>tfw suddenly realizing how amazing it must have been to watch this schlock the first time, without any preconceived notions about a "universe" or indeed about "cinematic universes" at all
>you'd just be going "wwowwwww a FAT SPACE LIZARD CRIME LORD?"
>you'd have total suspension of disbelief and a childlike wonder and "trust" that the setting wasn't a moronic mess made by incompetent morons, the setting was simply an organic extension off into the distance of your imagination of the neat imaginative things happening on screen
Yeah, that's about the short and skinny of it. My mind was fricking blown.
But then, however...
You can now have the jabba introduction ruined by the fricking awful CGI jabba from the special edition of star wars 1
Mr. Skywalker, i'm PIG
It's all just so tiresome now.
Return of the Jedi was seriously flawed.
>teddy bears
>re-using the death star
>Lando, Han and Leia basically don't have a satisfying role in the script
We forgive ROTJ because the Luke/Vader/Emperor plot was kino.
ewoks were supposed to be wookiees on kashyyk
the death star wasn't originally supposed to appear until rotj
Did they deserve it?
When 8D8 tells Boba and Fennec that these greenbois were captured, well who in the frick were they captured by? The other dozen people Boba and Fennec brought with them?
Expect an easy quest in the starting zone, your characters get wienery and keep fricking up and you send more and more of them to brute force it
Why did they program him to feel pain?
Because without pain their is no pleasure.
Did Rey and Gonk do it?
Sometimes, I think... maybe. But, no. We're just not compatible.
Doesn't this particular Rey have nudes? If not, she should.
I think about this sometimes. Maybe a being could exist who could feel pleasure but not pain? like why not
There are people out there that literally cannot feel pain. They end up hurting themselves a lot because they don't know if they just broke a toe or stabbed themselves while cutting a tomato. One guy chewed his own tongue off as a kid because he couldn't feel pain.
So they don't try to walk over lava.
Poor Warwick Davies.
George Lucas, the original Warwick torturer
I think he thought mind tricks would work on Jabba. When it turns out it doesn’t, he just goes for the assassination which would’ve maybe worked, but he was stopped.
Send the droids in to do a deal (with a lightsaber hidden in R2), then up in person and fight it that doesn't work.
>Sends droids in as a "present" to build trust with Lightsaber hidden in R2D2
>Send secret Leia in with Punished Chewbacca to create trust
>Lando gets in somehow and creates trust
>Leia secretly tries to rescue Han but gets caught and enslaved
>Luke comes in to save the day, doesn't go as expected with the trade (since Leia got caught removing all trust), falls into pit and gets captured.
>Attempt to kill them backfires and they all escape.
I really don't know what the intention was if they wanted to kill Jabba the whole time or it just turned out that way. Not sure how Luke/Leia/Lando were going to trade for Hans' life while Chewbacca and the two droids were basically enslaved.
I forgot, I think his intention was to just get an audience with Jabba so he could Force Persuade Han and friends to go free, that's where he learned you can't mindtrick the Hutts so plan B was the forced escape.
Is that Greedo - not just any Rhodian, but wearing the exact same green jumpsuit and orange jacket that Greedo was wearing?
aw jeez anon noticed they used a leftover prop
Not Greedo himself, but two identical Rodians dressed in Greedo's duds (with popped collars) are in the palace; Beedo, and a yet unidentified look-a-like.
according to the wookipedia, his name was Sneedo
Beedo was in in a new hope
There's also a Feedo, a Seedo, a Snoodo, and a Chuck.
There are multiple rodians all dressed the same in the first movie.
He sent Lando, Leia, and Chewie in first to scope things out and to back him up if a fight broke out. They unfroze Han so he could help in the escape.
He sent the droids in to sneak his lightsaber past security.
Plan A was to use the Jedi Mind Trick to get Han.
Plan B was to bust him out by force.
He got blindsided by the trap door and got captured. Fortunately they dragged him out to the desert where he could try again with Plan B.
No plan survives the first encounter with the enemy.
They had bullet points, individual objectives, and, (ostensibly) the wherewithal to adapt to the situation if/when it all went to shit.
Going in quietly gave them more options to maneuver, rather than just assaulting the front gate.
They all got out alive. Fett, as useful as he turned out to be, is gone. Jabba is dead. The Saarlacc is fed for the next 1000 years, which is another issue altogether, but irrelevant right now.
Doesn't matter how, why, or if "The Plan" worked, the mission was an unqualified success. All objectives achieved. Nobody even wounded, really. Crack a beer and pass the joint on the way back to Alderaan or wherever.
>Alderaan
Should we tell him?
>or wherever
You read that, right?
Why pick the one location in the galaxy that got blown away then put "or wherever"?
Because I haven't watched any Star Wars shit in over 15 years and it's the first planet that came to mind.
No, wait a minute, I tell I lie. My mother in law got everyone tickets to see TFA for Christmas in theaters shortly after it came out.
I left after 25 minutes and have never looked back.
>I tell I lie. My mother in law
spotted the lie, incel
I like your projecting in lieu of actually addressing the point.
>N-no. Nuh-uh!
>It's impossible that someone else found a woman when I haven't!
t. PV2 hooah infantry
Wrong branch, motherfricker.
>free Han
>get caught
>have R2 whip out light saber when needed
Lando gets a job there and sends intel to Luke. Jabba even addresses Lando by name at one point, although the subtitles don't match. >"Lando! something Leia something"
Subtitles say, "bring her to me".
Droids "gifted" to Jabba to possibly butter him up for an amicable exchange, but mostly to smuggle Luke's lightsaber in.
Leia and Chewie go and try for a rescue while everyone is asleep. If that fails, as a last resort
Luke comes in and it goes 3 ways: he mind tricks Jabba and all is good, he murders Jabba and every last motherfricker in the place, he fricks that up and and gets sentenced to die, at the sarlacc in the middle of nowhere, far from the well guarded fortress. An execution method Lando has already witnessed a couple times, perhaps.
Being able to see the future probably helps.
I wonder what the job application was like for Jabba's palace.
Have you ever killedtortured anyone?
How do you feel about a mixed workplace with different kinds of scum under one roof?
Are you familiar with repairing photonic resonators on a carbonite sled?
He's the MC, he acted like I do in any RPG, he was so overleveled they couldn't hurt him.
I know it's hard to believe but people do shit without putting much, if any, thought into it
>Retcon hans death
>Lando is a good guy for no reason
>Ewoks
>Another Death Star
Putting aside the point that Luke would have had some foresight as to how it was all going to go, what would he have done if Jabba had just had a good fap or something and was feeling good so he decided to free Han after receiving the gift of the droids?
Did they have to fire the laser and kill everyone? they already had a clean escape.
They had to make sure Stinky (Rotta the Hutt) down on the nursery deck didn't inherit Jabba's shit and come after them.
What's funny is that if the pit below Jabba's thrown room had just been filled with acid or even just a bottomless pit instead of having a slow ass rancor in it Luke would have just fricking died there lmao
Luke was the back up plan. Lukes plan was to Jedi mind trick Jabba into freeing everyone, when that plan failed his back up plan was to fight his way out with light sabre he hid inside R2.
>plan is to covertly send Leia & Lando in to unfreeze Han and sneak him out
>plan fails
>backup plan is to go in himself to confront Jabba directly and threaten him into releasing Han
>plan also fails
>improvises his way out
Why'd he send the droids first then?
To smuggle in his lightsaber. Jabba makes people check their weapons at the door.
>Leia and Lando are able to free Han and escape
>they still have to rescue the droids somehow
Leia had some kind of prod and a fricking explosive! Those weapons check piggies are fricking fired!
>Just fricking kill everyone.
What the frick was that haircut bros. Did that shit look good back in the early eighties or was it ugly as frick back then too?
It's the haircut of a person that believes that a mystical all binding force guides his every move. You know, a supreme homosexual. One that would walk into the lair of a major crime lord with no plan, royally frick it up, and still win through sheer luck.
Luke underestimated the resourcefulness of non-forcies.
>I Dare You To Explain Luke’s Plan To Rescue Han In ‘Return of the Jedi’
Luke Skywalker, his real name being Dirk Laser Master, was invited to make a lasershow in front of Jabba the Huts birthday party. Everyone knows that.
Proof:
If the characters in Star Wars are so smart, why didn’t they just drop a space colony on whatever planet they’ve taken issue with? Works for Zeon
>I Dare You To Explain Luke’s Plan To Rescue Han In ‘Return of the Jedi’
It makes sense when you realize its a series of plans failing. They send in Lando to get Han, but he disappears and they can't get it done so they send in C3PO and R2 to try and buy Han's freedom; but that fails. So then Leia tries to sneak Han out; but that fails and she gets caught. So then Luke tries to sneak them out; but that fails so he tries the Jedi mind trick; but that fails and he ends up nearly getting killed by the Rancor. At this point they're all captured and it seems like they're completely fricked; but they had an ace in the hole hiding the lightsaber in R2 and they manage to fight their way out of it.
Its not a plan, its a series of frick ups.
Imagine getting to have coke-fueled workplace sex with Carrie Fisher at her peak. Life just isn't fair.
wtf why does this woman have hair on her legs? did they have trannies back then?
MMMMMMmm peach fuzz
their anuses would take turns with my tongue while they lay there side by side
RotJ is a shit movie and it's always been shit. Nothing about the Han rescue makes sense and nothing about the ewoks makes sense. Out of the... 12? Star Wars movies only 2 are any good and the rest are dog shit.
RotJ gave us only one good thing and that's pic related.
>Out of the... 12? Star Wars movies only 2 are any good and the rest are dog shit.
The 2 ewok adventures movies?
>things brainlets say
>thinks the prequels are good
>thinks the sequels are even better
>RotJ is good
the plan was... get everyone into posistion in jabba's palace then follow luke's lead. and it worked.
>"a Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack"
As a jedi Luke couldn't just attack and save Han, the rescue plan had to give Jabba the opportunity to do the right thing. Luke gave him every opportunity, right up to the point where they were about to be executed. He didn't attack them, only defended against them when they tried to kill him.
It was part of the tests he had to go through to become a fully trained jedi. He may have had some insight from the force on what would happen, and that the plan to sneak his friends inside to save Han would fail. But ultimately he had to act as a jedi would act and let the force guide him.
At least that was always my understanding of the rescue plan.
I like the observation that they were basically free and clear and jabba was dead, but luke turned the artillery gun down so it would blow up Jabba's yacht and kill a few hundred people that were at worst medium-level criminals, many probably slaves
Luke blew up the death star. That's like, a million and a half people. He's a crazed mass murderer and get's off to that shit. He will never relive the high of killing a million people ever again.
They all had the opportunity to do the right thing as well and didn't.
From a certain point of view.
>a certain point of view
Every time I hear this phrase, no matter the context, it makes me laugh really fricking hard.
Probably because it's the most hack line every written to explain a plot hole or retcon.
The entire ghost exposition scene with alec guiness in rotj was prequel level
Remember this is the same man that told a mother that her child liking star wars was childish banalities. He knew when he was reading something that was fricking stupid but he got paid either way.
slave jumps out from burning barge, falls 10 meters, lands breaking both his legs in tunisian desert sand, dies going out of his mind from overheating and dehydration over the course of the next 18 hours of torture
>gets "saved" by tusken raiders at the last minute
Thoughts and prayers, bro
Step 1: Have Leia infiltrate Jabba's palace as a bounty hunter so she could unfreeze Han since Jabba can't put him back in Carbonite
Step 2: Leia keeps Jabba busy while Han recovers from the freezing sickness by becoming Jabba's wienersleeve for weeks on end getting SLUGGED endlessly in front of Jabba's goons before he tired of stretching out each of her prissy royal holes with his BSC and passed her off to his goons to watch her get a train run on her all day every day by the filthiest alien wieners in all of Hutt space
Step 3: Once Luke could be bothered, show up weeks later and threaten to kill Jabba knowing Jabba would try to execute them in an elaborate ritual instead of just having them dragged out back and shot in the head
Step 4: have a few drinks with the boys to celebrate the success before luke jets off to dagobah and leia spends a month in a bacta tank getting her holes healed up and the numerous alien babies she was impregnated with tractor beamed out of her ruined vag
save it for your fanfic
This is literally canon. This is literally what happened to Leia. Or do you actually think Luke showed up 2 minutes later before the rape fest began?
Nah, I don't watch children's movies
all movies are for children homosexual oh yeah you are contributing so much by selling this product frick off
Idiot.
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Get Jabba to put him on the barge over the Sarlac pit. R2 throws him the saber, and he cuts through everyone.
>walk in LARPing out his newfound daddy issues and acting like a massive edgelord
>expect everyone to cower and bend the knee like they do when daddy is around
>they don't
>sperg out and start killing people like an incel instead
>ironically still ends up LARPing as his father by doing this
>....from a certain point of view