They refract light into its different wavelengths. It doesn't make sense with a weaponized laser based on concentrated energy (laser stands for "light AMPLIFICIATION by stimulated emission of radiation").
As a superficial side note to that last tangential point, TASER stands for Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle. Thank you for coming to Reddit.
I'm not bothered by the prism explanation. It launches with a breakaway lens that stops at a specific coordinate, splitting the beams.
We only ever see the beam in a wide shot, and it's blown out at best when you're close to it, so it's feasable to believe this.
What isn't believable is the placement of the planets in the system (too close) and that Finn can see it from a planet and go "That's the Republic!" immediately identifying it from a planet he's new to and thus unfamiliar with its geography and stellar position.
That's fine, what's not fine is if there's no internal consistency of the world's logic. It's just magic, and a hallmark of a shitty magic system is that it follows no rules.
Star Wars has never had "consistency" and the contradictions throughout the myriad works of Star Wars got so convoluted that they needed to come up with "tiers" of canon before Disney deleted it all
You're disingenous. That's a system for the fan made work so to speak.
Lucas's work is consistent and straightforward. The movies + clone wars and that;s it.
>split laser is still powerful enough to obliterate an entire planet within seconds
I'm not exaggerating when I say this is some of the dumbest and laziest GENUINE fanfic-tier writing I've seen in my life. The fact this was approved and featured in a multi billion movie production from a world renowned franchise made me want to forget I was ever into Star Wars as a kid.
I didn't see the last movie but wasn't there like literal tens of thousands of star destroyers in the last scene? What the FRICK is it with sci-fi writers and no sense of scale?
>I didn't see the last movie but wasn't there like literal tens of thousands of star destroyers in the last scene?
Each one of those destroyers had a "Death Star tech" laser on them.
>What the FRICK is it with sci-fi writers and no sense of scale?
It's mainly a JJ thing, he did the same in his Star Trek reboots where there's a scene of old Spock sitting on one planet watching another one in the sky and it's far too close.
The idea of a planet-sized death-star base is stupid enough to begin with, then the idea of said base sucking up the energy from a star it's orbiting is pure moronation.
And that they all happen to be visible from a completely different planet
Did you know tyat sub-hyperspace was the name given by members of the First Order to a hole in the realspace continuum through which phantom energy traveled? Unlike typical hyperspace, which moved across the galaxy, sub-hyperspace would move through the galaxy. The First Order's Starkiller Base was able to collect a form of dark energy called quintessence, transform it into phantom energy, and unleash it along a linear path through sub-hyperspace, enabling it to destroy entire star systems across vast interstellar distances in real-time. The Hosnian Cataclysm in 34 ABY revealed a strange side-effect of sub-hyperspace: the vast quantities of energy released by firing of the Starkiller Base had the ability to create a temporary rip in sub-hyperspace, allowing the Hosnian system's destruction to be viewed from across the galaxy as it happened.
Sure by expending astronomical amounts of energy and/or time they probably could have altered the orbits of a few earth sized planets to be so close they're literally orbiting each other but for what purpose?
It's literally true, you fricking moron. Every solar system has a certain zone, far enough from the star to not be too hot and close enough so it's not too cold, Earth and Mars are literally the only 2 planets that fit into that zone and Mars is on the very edge of it. Most solar systems don't have planets in that zone, rarely you can find 1 or 2. Not to mention that those planets need to be proper size to be habitable.
>can live in low-earth orbit >probably outer space too >couldn't possibly live on a planet outside of the goldilocks zone though!
your face's gonna be so red when they find life on Europa
How are you gonna live on a planet where the only warm zone is deep underwater near the core of the planet. You fricking moronic or something? Sure there is maybe some basic microscropic organism that leaves there, that doesn't count as a habitable location.
Kylo Ren killed like 10 trillion people on planets we know nothing about and this is never mentioned ever again in the trilogy, instead they treat him as a redeemable character
Leia never once mentioned being forced to watch the destruction of Alderaan to anyone, and when Luke finds her in her cell just a day later, she doesn't seem at all upset about it.
This is honestly the worst "acceptable" thing in the st.
Like it's really stupid and makes no sense, but it can be excused for the sake of cinematic license since it doesn't really impact anything. Shit like Holdo's kamikaze run, on the other hand, is completely unforgiveable.
The weirdest thing is that when they were writing this, they said their concept of the First Order was if some old Nazis in Argentina had managed to build a nuclear bomb. Which made sense, and was an interesting inversion with the New Republic being the government of the galaxy and the First Order being a group of rebels
So, they nuked London and Paris, DC, ok, now what? It could've been interesting.
Instead, Rian and LOL THEY'RE THE EMPIRE NOW
[...] >Dude earth isn't like that so NO solar system can be!!!1!
Have sex
>dude the whole Star Wars thing takes place inside one tiny solar system! >also if someone blew up Jupiter, you'd see it happening in real time!
even in Legends the writers knew that just because the Emperor and the Death Star was destroyed, didn't mean the Empire was gone. They still had a very long way to go to restore the Republic. The First Order on the other hand took over the Galaxy overnight.
>even in Legends the writers knew that just because the Emperor and the Death Star was destroyed, didn't mean the Empire was gone. They still had a very long way to go to restore the Republic. The First Order on the other hand took over the Galaxy overnight.
Exactly, you had the Imperial Remnant, the corporate types, all that. Even assuming the Empire had shattered the second the Emperor died, the Imperial Navy would still be the most powerful force in the galaxy
30 years later, and now there's relative peace and the Republic is the government of the galaxy? Sure. And the First Order are these Emperor cultists lurking out in the Unknown Regions, that's fine. And they blow up stuff, cool. But now their Death Star is gone, so they're a handful of ships that are now being hunted by the entire galaxy.
They randomly have unlimited manpower, resources, and shipbuilding capacity out of nowhere. They can build a ship bigger than the executor in a week and a huge fleet that dwarfs the resistance as well. It was all so damn silly and mindboggingly bad.
>They can build a ship bigger than the executor in a week and a huge fleet that dwarfs the resistance as well. It was all so damn silly and mindboggingly bad.
Right? Why'd they bother with the Death Star then, if either their fleet's so big they can annihilate the Republic Navy in a year, or if the Republic Navy is literally just the 8 ships or whatever in TLJ
ofc it's because Rian thought he could do ESB better, and for that he needed the Empire
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Anonymous
>Right? Why'd they bother with the Death Star then, if either their fleet's so big they can annihilate the Republic Navy in a year, or if the Republic Navy is literally just the 8 ships or whatever in TLJ
Mon Mothma ordered the Republican fleet dismantled to usher in an age of peace.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In the canon book that basically all the context missing from TFA, mon mothma disarmed the new Republic, and there was only a small fleet.
Said fleet was destroyed in TFA on one of those NOT COURUSANT planets. There was basically three resistance ships in the entire galaxy lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Right? Why'd they bother with the Death Star then, if either their fleet's so big they can annihilate the Republic Navy in a year, or if the Republic Navy is literally just the 8 ships or whatever in TLJ
Mon Mothma ordered the Republican fleet dismantled to usher in an age of peace.
>In the canon book that basically all the context missing from TFA, mon mothma disarmed the new Republic, and there was only a small fleet.
Jesus fricking Christ what
what the frick was Disney thinking
>hey you know that galaxy full of smugglers and bounty hunters and criminals and pirates >we'll just have the new government get rid of its navy lol!
WHAT
2 years ago
Anonymous
The film was meant to address this. When it shows the planets being blown up there is this black chick it focuses on. She had a little subplot filmed about the new Republic. All of it was canned
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The film was meant to address this
But it's the stupidest idea ever. The first movie, the literal first, establishes the obvious, that the Empire polices trade routes. And that's the history of all seafaring trade, let alone in galaxies far far away. You need a navy so commerce can happen
>it's a new era of peace! >we will dismantle our ships <3 >trade and travel instantly collapse as all the pirates and smugglers we've taken pains to establish exist in this universe start raiding and stealing and kidnapping with zero consequences
2 years ago
Anonymous
Exactly this. Even if the New Republic dismantled their own fleet, every single system would maintain fleets of their own for precisely this reason.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're not wrong, but the idea is that the new government is so scared of basically allowing the empire to happen again, they take themselves apart. Leia is thr only one who warns against this (she lost all her support because people found out from a Bail recording that she was Vaders kid).
She she gets a pity fleet for the Resistance (TM) to scope out first order.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>she lost all her support because people found out from a Bail recording that she was Vaders kid
What dickheads, I'm glad they got blown up
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but the idea is that the new government is so scared of basically allowing the empire to happen again, they take themselves apart
It's just so amazingly stupid. Even if somehow all of the pirates and smugglers and bounty hunters just retired the minuted the Death Star blew up, how do you stop the next Empire if you can't fight them? You have to have a navy!
I mean, if all the world's navies here just suddenly went "lol peace we're out" the end result would be container ships getting hijacked on the open ocean.
Imagine being the novelist trying to twist that JJ moronation into something like a plot thread, poor fricker
>she lost her support because people found out she was Vader's kid
oh god oh god what, why, there were 2 people in the entire galaxy who knew, why didn't they just use the goddamn EU
Exactly this. Even if the New Republic dismantled their own fleet, every single system would maintain fleets of their own for precisely this reason.
I can't believe that's the angle they went with, especially since the original "Nazis in Argentina with an A-Bomb" concept was so good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bail made a recording so when he died he could tell her who her true parents were and somehow a political rival got it.
Basically like how they use Bail in tnr Obiapwan show
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even so
>well well well! >long-serving Senator Leia Organa >one of the founders of the Rebel Alliance >and a general in the war, who risked her life repeatedly >including getting the plans for the Death Star to Yavin >and the near-suicide commando mission that succeeded and resulted in the destruction of the Death Star and killing Vader and the Emperor >arguably the biggest hero in the galaxy and why we're all here and not in some Imperial mass grave
>never knew this but just found out Vader was her biological father, even though the only time they ever met, he was torturing her! >#impeach!
I weep for the guy who had to try to make that make sense.
You know, I never really thought about that.
He's good at coming up with awesome images, mostly because he frees himself of needing it to make any sense
>and then the Enterprise rises up out of the water!!!!!!!! >awesome! wait, why is it underwater? >to hide from the natives!! >couldn't they just hide from the natives... in space?
Unironically this would have been a better callback to the OT if they just HAD to go down that path for the trilogy >first order blows up a planet >big reveal that kylo ren is Hans son as the rebels lose some major battle >rebels regroup and defeat some big bad
What's really annoying is that I just realized what Lucas was talking about when he said his sequel trilogy was going to be focused on the Force and the Whills and everything. homie was going to go all Holy Trinity on us -- a Father trilogy, a Son trilogy, and the Holy Spirit trilogy
just imagine what we lost, Lucas' autistic dialogue trying to explain the nature of cosmic vs individual will while stuff blows up amazingly and there are racist caricatures everywhere
>and there are racist caricatures everywhere
God, just imagine what George would make in regards to the events of 10s. >Muuns and Toydarians rape, torture and murder Togruta slaves to appease dark spirits
>we need death star but not death star >Corpo clapping >Make it bigger >Corpo clapping gets louder >Also bigger laser >Corpo clapping so loud the skyscraper windows pulsate >Five >A deafening cacophony, the windows bend outwards like a breathing organism, child slaves in mickey mouse costumes enter to give everyone a blowjob while the noise and arrousal combined makes everyone bleed from their eyes
stealing energy from the fricking star and blotting out all light didnt destroy the planet and kill everyone instantly either. they couldnt even just have it use geothermal energy from the planet core or some shit. the entire concept was moronic beyond belief.
It's astounding how many anons on Cinemaphile will rush to defend such a buffoon as jj abrams. He literally doesn't understand anything about space or physics, and yes even star wars usually tried to be semi-intelligent about how it handled space and wasn't too stupid. JJ always goes full moron, he did the EXACT same shit with Star Trek. Having someone from another star system watch in the sky in real time as a planet is destroyed. Why the hell anyone would defend him is beyond me. Probably just the usual contrarians.
its not like star wars has realistic physics or space knowledge either, but they were never this moronic either. like they have hyperspace travel and tractor beams and shit, but use the most assbackwards radars and like 1940s tech as well.
JJ's ignorance of common knowledge is astounding. Everyone knows that space is big. Everyone knows that things are harder to see the farther away they are. Everyone knows what a light year is. I have to wonder who in JJ's family had the connections to get him in showbiz because it is obvious that he has no brains and no talent.
>I have to wonder who in JJ's family had the connections to get him in showbiz because it is obvious that he has no brains and no talent.
JJ's parents were veteran television producer Gerald W. Abrams and Carol Ann Abrams, a Peabody Award winning television executive producer, as well as an author and law academic.
He's a genuinely talentless hack who got ((nepotism'd)) into the film industry. Thanks for the recommendation, Mike.
With Star Trek I'm more amused at how he didn't realize the implications on space travel that a small portable device that allows you do instantly jump to anywhere in the universe would cause.
How are you gonna live on a planet where the only warm zone is deep underwater near the core of the planet. You fricking moronic or something? Sure there is maybe some basic microscropic organism that leaves there, that doesn't count as a habitable location.
>magnetic fields contain the energy >heat dampers protect the user
You're partially correct. There was a short age at the turn of the millennium where Lucas tried to keep a semblance of sci in the scifi. Jedi used and fought with their sabers in a very specific manner as to avoid hurting themselves. Most notably is how they run with the sabers behind them.
Now they just do whatever and pretend like they never really tried sci in the scifi.
I'm not defending this shit but you are incorrect. Through represents >fold paper >use pencil to poke hole in it
Whereas across means >surface
They're basically describing a sort of dark matter dimension. Most of it makes no sense cohesively as you wouldn't be able to "display" the attack to people "in real time" because we live in fricking real-time.
It's all bullshit moronation and Disney killed SW. But what's worse is these "fans" who created it did it.
Breh, the novelization that "fixed" it stated that the jump crashing into another ship is a one in a million chance. So Holdo in her infinite bravery tried to fricking escape, leaving the rest in escape pods ready for the slaughter and just got extremly unlucky that her ship crashed into the Supremacy.
Space wizards, sound in a vacuum, and faster than light travel were believable for you but a few lasers that diverged as they neared their targets ruined it for you?
>what is suspension of disbelief
they're in a galaxy with the force and those rules have never been consistent. we don't know how starkiller base works, there's nothing to say it wouldn't be able to do that. inb4 someone starts crying about using the force as a hand-wave
that's not even the most moronic thing in episode 7 anyway
It's just more JJ moronation. He did that in Star Trek too
>and then spock looks up from the frozen desolate wasteland planet and sees vulcan IMPLODE!!!!!!!!! >cool! wait, there's a completely habitable planet that's like a moon's distance from a centuries-old starfaring civilization, and it's uninhabited? >it's where they exile guys who've ruined their career? next door to Vulcan?
Lasers also don't stop 3 feet from a source of projection, held perpetually in the shape of a sword blade; or get carried as individualized bolts fired from guns.
On that note, there's also no such thing as faster than light travel, or telepathic space wizards. You do understand it's science fiction, and pretty soft sci-fi at that, right?
>says/defends some absolutely moronic shit in OP post >gets called out >yea, well, you're a fanboy!
Sorry, bud, I'm not 14 so that kind of bullshit doesn't work on me. Of all the actually terrible and stupid shit in the 7th movie you can criticize, you picked the one thing that's so benign in comparison to the other shit as to be a complete non-issue.
It's an incredibly soft sci-fi universe. There's no internal logic to break. You're splitting hairs over something so fricking inconsequential that it doesn't matter. The list of fatal flaws in this shit movie is so long, and this shit isn't even on it, so bringing it up/defending it just proves you're an idiot who still wants to feel special for disliking episode 7 almost a fricking decade after the fact.
Cinemaphile is one of the dumbest boards on Cinemaphile. Most of the conversation revolves around attacking/defending media because of personal connection to it and ignoring any conversation about even the most basic mechanics of it. Basically, it's autistic people, but the dumb ones and not the Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile ones, arguing empathetically without understanding what empathy is in any way, shape, or form.
If it split through a prism into multiple different color lasers it would be infinitely more based.
But alas, Abrams is a stupid hack.
You get what you fricking deserve Lucas-Haters.
It's fricking Star Wars. It's as far from hard sci-fi as you can get, it's debatable if Star Wars is even actual science fiction in the first place. It's more fantasy than sci-fi.
It's fricking Star Wars. It's as far from hard sci-fi as you can get, it's debatable if Star Wars is even actual science fiction in the first place. It's more fantasy than sci-fi.
Never heard of a prism huh?
Do you not know how prisms work?
No, not really.
DO YOU?
They refract light into its different wavelengths. It doesn't make sense with a weaponized laser based on concentrated energy (laser stands for "light AMPLIFICIATION by stimulated emission of radiation").
As a superficial side note to that last tangential point, TASER stands for Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle. Thank you for coming to Reddit.
Nice copy and pasted google answer
>filtered by a shit post
It wasn't copy pasted. I took first-year physics in university and particularly enjoyed optics.
How can a physics student use the dumb frog?
Ah yes a prism mid laser blast
never heard of a MIRV you fricking moron?
Nope
You're a fricking idiot if you think those are comparable.
lol you fricking brainlet just admit defeat because you were too stupid to think a leading projectile might unload into more, smaller projectiles lol
I'm not bothered by the prism explanation. It launches with a breakaway lens that stops at a specific coordinate, splitting the beams.
We only ever see the beam in a wide shot, and it's blown out at best when you're close to it, so it's feasable to believe this.
What isn't believable is the placement of the planets in the system (too close) and that Finn can see it from a planet and go "That's the Republic!" immediately identifying it from a planet he's new to and thus unfamiliar with its geography and stellar position.
lasers travel at the speed of light you couldnt send a lens with it moron
It’s Centerpoint Station I ain’t gotta explain shit
Thankfully Science Fiction doesn't adhere to the normal laws of physics.
homosexual.
That's fine, what's not fine is if there's no internal consistency of the world's logic. It's just magic, and a hallmark of a shitty magic system is that it follows no rules.
Star Wars has never had "consistency" and the contradictions throughout the myriad works of Star Wars got so convoluted that they needed to come up with "tiers" of canon before Disney deleted it all
You're disingenous. That's a system for the fan made work so to speak.
Lucas's work is consistent and straightforward. The movies + clone wars and that;s it.
>Lucas' work is consistent and straightforward
The prequels retcon the OT constantly and even the OT was making shit up as it went
Never in my life have I read a more moronic post than yours.
If you're trolling you're a idiot in real life nonetheless.
so you have no argument or counterpoint and concede defeat, got it
He's right. Star Wars is a convoluted mess (especially the prequels).
>Lucas is a hack!
>Dude it's a kids movie
Dumb Disney drones.
>r*ddit is defending this travesty
It literally does
>split laser is still powerful enough to obliterate an entire planet within seconds
I'm not exaggerating when I say this is some of the dumbest and laziest GENUINE fanfic-tier writing I've seen in my life. The fact this was approved and featured in a multi billion movie production from a world renowned franchise made me want to forget I was ever into Star Wars as a kid.
I didn't see the last movie but wasn't there like literal tens of thousands of star destroyers in the last scene? What the FRICK is it with sci-fi writers and no sense of scale?
>I didn't see the last movie but wasn't there like literal tens of thousands of star destroyers in the last scene?
Each one of those destroyers had a "Death Star tech" laser on them.
>What the FRICK is it with sci-fi writers and no sense of scale?
It's mainly a JJ thing, he did the same in his Star Trek reboots where there's a scene of old Spock sitting on one planet watching another one in the sky and it's far too close.
The idea of a planet-sized death-star base is stupid enough to begin with, then the idea of said base sucking up the energy from a star it's orbiting is pure moronation.
That’s Abrams. He’s a legit moron.
the most unrealistic thing about this scene is that 5 habitable planets are close enough together to be seen with the naked eye
And that they all happen to be visible from a completely different planet
In real time. It was so moronic that the loregays had to tie their own brains in knots to explain it.
Did you know tyat sub-hyperspace was the name given by members of the First Order to a hole in the realspace continuum through which phantom energy traveled? Unlike typical hyperspace, which moved across the galaxy, sub-hyperspace would move through the galaxy. The First Order's Starkiller Base was able to collect a form of dark energy called quintessence, transform it into phantom energy, and unleash it along a linear path through sub-hyperspace, enabling it to destroy entire star systems across vast interstellar distances in real-time. The Hosnian Cataclysm in 34 ABY revealed a strange side-effect of sub-hyperspace: the vast quantities of energy released by firing of the Starkiller Base had the ability to create a temporary rip in sub-hyperspace, allowing the Hosnian system's destruction to be viewed from across the galaxy as it happened.
no
how could we have known?
Nice.
kek
You have to follow star wars twitter, that's where part of the cannon is posted nowadays, chud.
>Unlike typical hyperspace, which moved across the galaxy, sub-hyperspace would move through the galaxy.
Imagine the galaxy as earth. Across the earth and through the earth have different contests, right?
"Through" and "across" have the same meaning when we're discussing something like traversing the empty space within a galaxy.
Anon, don't make me take out the folding a piece of paper and putting a pencil through analogy again
Hyperspace was already analogous to tunnelling through space. Now there's something that's MORE 'through' ?
Lmao is this real? Did they actually try to explain JJ's moron-level understanding of astrophysics in-universe? Holy frick I love lore autists so much
JJ Abrahms is such a fricking hack, he has no knack for sci fi at all, as initially evidenced by his moronic red matter in Star Trek 2009
Red matter is far from the worst thing wrong with his Trek movies.
And subhyperspace was a good friend
>Dude earth isn't like that so NO solar system can be!!!1!
Have sex
Did you know there's such a thing as astrophysics and it's fairly well understood what kinds of star systems are possible and what aren't?
You know we are gay frog monkeys, right?
No. How could I?
>terraforming isn't a thing in a scifi setting
Sure by expending astronomical amounts of energy and/or time they probably could have altered the orbits of a few earth sized planets to be so close they're literally orbiting each other but for what purpose?
Yeah? The writers in the Nu-Wars movies clearly didn't give a shit about scale or plausability, so why not?
Yes but I don't apply it to a children's movie with magical, laser-sword wielding samurai
>it's magic therefore nothing needs to make sense or be consistent, just turn your brain off!!!!!
Sounds very boring.
It is now.
Also,
>seriously responding to an ironic post
Stop doing this.
you don't even know the difference between a planetary system and a star system, so your opinion can safely be disregarded as moronic
It's literally true, you fricking moron. Every solar system has a certain zone, far enough from the star to not be too hot and close enough so it's not too cold, Earth and Mars are literally the only 2 planets that fit into that zone and Mars is on the very edge of it. Most solar systems don't have planets in that zone, rarely you can find 1 or 2. Not to mention that those planets need to be proper size to be habitable.
>can live in low-earth orbit
>probably outer space too
>couldn't possibly live on a planet outside of the goldilocks zone though!
your face's gonna be so red when they find life on Europa
Europe having a heat wave doesn't mean it's not in the habitable zone, dumbass. The goldilocks zone is just where you have liquid water.
Yeah he's gonna be so embarrassed once they find a fricking fish living under the ice.
>heres your life bro
>Trust the science bro, only 10 more boosters to go
there's only one Solar System anon, you might be moronic =/
gravity would pull those planets into each other
Not if they're all the same size, idiot
But they aren't, look at the op
Not defending nu star wars at all, but has star wars ever been accurate space wise?
Ok sw not being accurate doesn't mean it was stupid like this or anything else in the sequels.
Obviously not. But it was never as stupid as JJ made it either.
Kylo Ren killed like 10 trillion people on planets we know nothing about and this is never mentioned ever again in the trilogy, instead they treat him as a redeemable character
Wasn't the "I AM THE SPY" guy working for the Resistance? Did he seriously allow the deaths of quadrillions of people just to "own the nazis"?
He wasn't a spy at the start, he only switched sides in the last movie because Kylo Ren was mean to him.
In other words: More inexcusably bad writing.
Hardly the worst example of that in the series.
Leia never once mentioned being forced to watch the destruction of Alderaan to anyone, and when Luke finds her in her cell just a day later, she doesn't seem at all upset about it.
The beam splits up in hyperspace by bypassing the compressor. Courtesy of czerka corp and glup shitto enterprises
To think, Rey all did this with her bare FEET... crazy talented girl.
Don't worry, offscreen she got her comeuppance in Kylo Ren's torture chamber.
Tell that to kanji klub
Tail thart tae kahnji clob
This is honestly the worst "acceptable" thing in the st.
Like it's really stupid and makes no sense, but it can be excused for the sake of cinematic license since it doesn't really impact anything. Shit like Holdo's kamikaze run, on the other hand, is completely unforgiveable.
>destroy Washington DC, NYC, SF.
>I CONTROL AMERICA NOW
The weirdest thing is that when they were writing this, they said their concept of the First Order was if some old Nazis in Argentina had managed to build a nuclear bomb. Which made sense, and was an interesting inversion with the New Republic being the government of the galaxy and the First Order being a group of rebels
So, they nuked London and Paris, DC, ok, now what? It could've been interesting.
Instead, Rian and LOL THEY'RE THE EMPIRE NOW
>dude the whole Star Wars thing takes place inside one tiny solar system!
>also if someone blew up Jupiter, you'd see it happening in real time!
even in Legends the writers knew that just because the Emperor and the Death Star was destroyed, didn't mean the Empire was gone. They still had a very long way to go to restore the Republic. The First Order on the other hand took over the Galaxy overnight.
>even in Legends the writers knew that just because the Emperor and the Death Star was destroyed, didn't mean the Empire was gone. They still had a very long way to go to restore the Republic. The First Order on the other hand took over the Galaxy overnight.
Exactly, you had the Imperial Remnant, the corporate types, all that. Even assuming the Empire had shattered the second the Emperor died, the Imperial Navy would still be the most powerful force in the galaxy
30 years later, and now there's relative peace and the Republic is the government of the galaxy? Sure. And the First Order are these Emperor cultists lurking out in the Unknown Regions, that's fine. And they blow up stuff, cool. But now their Death Star is gone, so they're a handful of ships that are now being hunted by the entire galaxy.
Instead "LOL NOPE THEY'RE THE EMPIRE NOW"
They randomly have unlimited manpower, resources, and shipbuilding capacity out of nowhere. They can build a ship bigger than the executor in a week and a huge fleet that dwarfs the resistance as well. It was all so damn silly and mindboggingly bad.
>They can build a ship bigger than the executor in a week and a huge fleet that dwarfs the resistance as well. It was all so damn silly and mindboggingly bad.
Right? Why'd they bother with the Death Star then, if either their fleet's so big they can annihilate the Republic Navy in a year, or if the Republic Navy is literally just the 8 ships or whatever in TLJ
ofc it's because Rian thought he could do ESB better, and for that he needed the Empire
>Right? Why'd they bother with the Death Star then, if either their fleet's so big they can annihilate the Republic Navy in a year, or if the Republic Navy is literally just the 8 ships or whatever in TLJ
Mon Mothma ordered the Republican fleet dismantled to usher in an age of peace.
In the canon book that basically all the context missing from TFA, mon mothma disarmed the new Republic, and there was only a small fleet.
Said fleet was destroyed in TFA on one of those NOT COURUSANT planets. There was basically three resistance ships in the entire galaxy lol
>In the canon book that basically all the context missing from TFA, mon mothma disarmed the new Republic, and there was only a small fleet.
Jesus fricking Christ what
what the frick was Disney thinking
>hey you know that galaxy full of smugglers and bounty hunters and criminals and pirates
>we'll just have the new government get rid of its navy lol!
WHAT
The film was meant to address this. When it shows the planets being blown up there is this black chick it focuses on. She had a little subplot filmed about the new Republic. All of it was canned
>The film was meant to address this
But it's the stupidest idea ever. The first movie, the literal first, establishes the obvious, that the Empire polices trade routes. And that's the history of all seafaring trade, let alone in galaxies far far away. You need a navy so commerce can happen
>it's a new era of peace!
>we will dismantle our ships <3
>trade and travel instantly collapse as all the pirates and smugglers we've taken pains to establish exist in this universe start raiding and stealing and kidnapping with zero consequences
Exactly this. Even if the New Republic dismantled their own fleet, every single system would maintain fleets of their own for precisely this reason.
You're not wrong, but the idea is that the new government is so scared of basically allowing the empire to happen again, they take themselves apart. Leia is thr only one who warns against this (she lost all her support because people found out from a Bail recording that she was Vaders kid).
She she gets a pity fleet for the Resistance (TM) to scope out first order.
>she lost all her support because people found out from a Bail recording that she was Vaders kid
What dickheads, I'm glad they got blown up
>but the idea is that the new government is so scared of basically allowing the empire to happen again, they take themselves apart
It's just so amazingly stupid. Even if somehow all of the pirates and smugglers and bounty hunters just retired the minuted the Death Star blew up, how do you stop the next Empire if you can't fight them? You have to have a navy!
I mean, if all the world's navies here just suddenly went "lol peace we're out" the end result would be container ships getting hijacked on the open ocean.
Imagine being the novelist trying to twist that JJ moronation into something like a plot thread, poor fricker
>she lost her support because people found out she was Vader's kid
oh god oh god what, why, there were 2 people in the entire galaxy who knew, why didn't they just use the goddamn EU
I can't believe that's the angle they went with, especially since the original "Nazis in Argentina with an A-Bomb" concept was so good.
Bail made a recording so when he died he could tell her who her true parents were and somehow a political rival got it.
Basically like how they use Bail in tnr Obiapwan show
Even so
>well well well!
>long-serving Senator Leia Organa
>one of the founders of the Rebel Alliance
>and a general in the war, who risked her life repeatedly
>including getting the plans for the Death Star to Yavin
>and the near-suicide commando mission that succeeded and resulted in the destruction of the Death Star and killing Vader and the Emperor
>arguably the biggest hero in the galaxy and why we're all here and not in some Imperial mass grave
>never knew this but just found out Vader was her biological father, even though the only time they ever met, he was torturing her!
>#impeach!
I weep for the guy who had to try to make that make sense.
He's good at coming up with awesome images, mostly because he frees himself of needing it to make any sense
>and then the Enterprise rises up out of the water!!!!!!!!
>awesome! wait, why is it underwater?
>to hide from the natives!!
>couldn't they just hide from the natives... in space?
Unironically this would have been a better callback to the OT if they just HAD to go down that path for the trilogy
>first order blows up a planet
>big reveal that kylo ren is Hans son as the rebels lose some major battle
>rebels regroup and defeat some big bad
What's really annoying is that I just realized what Lucas was talking about when he said his sequel trilogy was going to be focused on the Force and the Whills and everything. homie was going to go all Holy Trinity on us -- a Father trilogy, a Son trilogy, and the Holy Spirit trilogy
just imagine what we lost, Lucas' autistic dialogue trying to explain the nature of cosmic vs individual will while stuff blows up amazingly and there are racist caricatures everywhere
>and there are racist caricatures everywhere
God, just imagine what George would make in regards to the events of 10s.
>Muuns and Toydarians rape, torture and murder Togruta slaves to appease dark spirits
>Stormtrooper THX-13/50
Lasers aren't even visible in a vacuum.
That's because you don't know physics, you buffoon! You have to open a book and learn, impossible for a buffoon like you!
You see when a laser hits something like glass or some shit the light splits.
Learn science, chud.
Eat the bugs.
It's like they didn't read the five novel series detailing the First Order's covert placement of the Perfect Prism Planet in the Hosnian system.
>we need death star but not death star
>Corpo clapping
>Make it bigger
>Corpo clapping gets louder
>Also bigger laser
>Corpo clapping so loud the skyscraper windows pulsate
>Five
>A deafening cacophony, the windows bend outwards like a breathing organism, child slaves in mickey mouse costumes enter to give everyone a blowjob while the noise and arrousal combined makes everyone bleed from their eyes
Kathleen is a piece of shit but this is actually canon justified, kyber crystals can do that.
>kyber crystals can do that.
Based prostitute-fricking midget.
CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP
>but this is actually canon justified
What canon? That one they burnt to cinders then threw down the trash? That canon? lmao cope gaywars numale
stealing energy from the fricking star and blotting out all light didnt destroy the planet and kill everyone instantly either. they couldnt even just have it use geothermal energy from the planet core or some shit. the entire concept was moronic beyond belief.
>what is interference
It's astounding how many anons on Cinemaphile will rush to defend such a buffoon as jj abrams. He literally doesn't understand anything about space or physics, and yes even star wars usually tried to be semi-intelligent about how it handled space and wasn't too stupid. JJ always goes full moron, he did the EXACT same shit with Star Trek. Having someone from another star system watch in the sky in real time as a planet is destroyed. Why the hell anyone would defend him is beyond me. Probably just the usual contrarians.
its not like star wars has realistic physics or space knowledge either, but they were never this moronic either. like they have hyperspace travel and tractor beams and shit, but use the most assbackwards radars and like 1940s tech as well.
Completely agree. Abrams is indefensible.
JJ's ignorance of common knowledge is astounding. Everyone knows that space is big. Everyone knows that things are harder to see the farther away they are. Everyone knows what a light year is. I have to wonder who in JJ's family had the connections to get him in showbiz because it is obvious that he has no brains and no talent.
>I have to wonder who in JJ's family had the connections to get him in showbiz because it is obvious that he has no brains and no talent.
JJ's parents were veteran television producer Gerald W. Abrams and Carol Ann Abrams, a Peabody Award winning television executive producer, as well as an author and law academic.
He's a genuinely talentless hack who got ((nepotism'd)) into the film industry. Thanks for the recommendation, Mike.
With Star Trek I'm more amused at how he didn't realize the implications on space travel that a small portable device that allows you do instantly jump to anywhere in the universe would cause.
Abrams is a complete hack.
How are you gonna live on a planet where the only warm zone is deep underwater near the core of the planet. You fricking moronic or something? Sure there is maybe some basic microscropic organism that leaves there, that doesn't count as a habitable location.
>I LOVED IT!
>IT WAS EVERYTHING I HOPED IT'D BE!
Lightsabres make less sense than that
rule of cool
>magnetic fields contain the energy
>heat dampers protect the user
You're partially correct. There was a short age at the turn of the millennium where Lucas tried to keep a semblance of sci in the scifi. Jedi used and fought with their sabers in a very specific manner as to avoid hurting themselves. Most notably is how they run with the sabers behind them.
Now they just do whatever and pretend like they never really tried sci in the scifi.
I'm not defending this shit but you are incorrect. Through represents
>fold paper
>use pencil to poke hole in it
Whereas across means
>surface
They're basically describing a sort of dark matter dimension. Most of it makes no sense cohesively as you wouldn't be able to "display" the attack to people "in real time" because we live in fricking real-time.
It's all bullshit moronation and Disney killed SW. But what's worse is these "fans" who created it did it.
>anakins lightsaber is ignited three different ways in the series
Pisses me off so much
Those aren't lasers.
They're superheated midichlorians. The dark side of the force splits them.
Thankfully the opposition can ram things with the power of infinite speed.
The Holdo maneuver was a one in a million!
Breh, the novelization that "fixed" it stated that the jump crashing into another ship is a one in a million chance. So Holdo in her infinite bravery tried to fricking escape, leaving the rest in escape pods ready for the slaughter and just got extremly unlucky that her ship crashed into the Supremacy.
No she was just that good. She meant it
Space wizards, sound in a vacuum, and faster than light travel were believable for you but a few lasers that diverged as they neared their targets ruined it for you?
>Fantasy doesn't have to make sense.
Stick to reality tv.
did you forget it's a movie about space wizards
>what is suspension of disbelief
they're in a galaxy with the force and those rules have never been consistent. we don't know how starkiller base works, there's nothing to say it wouldn't be able to do that. inb4 someone starts crying about using the force as a hand-wave
that's not even the most moronic thing in episode 7 anyway
Would've been cool if the first order had Kylo split the laser using the force.
They're not lasers.
It's just more JJ moronation. He did that in Star Trek too
>and then spock looks up from the frozen desolate wasteland planet and sees vulcan IMPLODE!!!!!!!!!
>cool! wait, there's a completely habitable planet that's like a moon's distance from a centuries-old starfaring civilization, and it's uninhabited?
>it's where they exile guys who've ruined their career? next door to Vulcan?
You know, I never really thought about that.
Lasers also don't stop 3 feet from a source of projection, held perpetually in the shape of a sword blade; or get carried as individualized bolts fired from guns.
On that note, there's also no such thing as faster than light travel, or telepathic space wizards. You do understand it's science fiction, and pretty soft sci-fi at that, right?
Christ, you mouseketeers are like robots.
>says/defends some absolutely moronic shit in OP post
>gets called out
>yea, well, you're a fanboy!
Sorry, bud, I'm not 14 so that kind of bullshit doesn't work on me. Of all the actually terrible and stupid shit in the 7th movie you can criticize, you picked the one thing that's so benign in comparison to the other shit as to be a complete non-issue.
It's an incredibly soft sci-fi universe. There's no internal logic to break. You're splitting hairs over something so fricking inconsequential that it doesn't matter. The list of fatal flaws in this shit movie is so long, and this shit isn't even on it, so bringing it up/defending it just proves you're an idiot who still wants to feel special for disliking episode 7 almost a fricking decade after the fact.
Lay off the soilent.
The equivalent of a "no u". Get better come backs.
No joke what's the IQ of this fricking board?
I have a measured IQ of 190.
Why? Did you get btfo by a moron again?
>33
>11
>44
>33+11=44
No, by all measures I'm pretty moronic but I've been BTFO anons in here
Cinemaphile is one of the dumbest boards on Cinemaphile. Most of the conversation revolves around attacking/defending media because of personal connection to it and ignoring any conversation about even the most basic mechanics of it. Basically, it's autistic people, but the dumb ones and not the Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile ones, arguing empathetically without understanding what empathy is in any way, shape, or form.
>t. autistic narcissist who can't find enjoyment and is incapable to manipulate a board full of better manipulators
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Keep projecting homosexual. My presence elevates this board.
If it split through a prism into multiple different color lasers it would be infinitely more based.
But alas, Abrams is a stupid hack.
You get what you fricking deserve Lucas-Haters.
>my scifi isn't realistic enough
FICTION you fricking imbecile
It isn't scifi, moron. It's science fantasy. But yeah, you don't watch Star Wars movies for realism.
It's fricking Star Wars. It's as far from hard sci-fi as you can get, it's debatable if Star Wars is even actual science fiction in the first place. It's more fantasy than sci-fi.
There it is again! Wash, rinse, and repeat!
It's fricking Star Wars. It's as far from hard sci-fi as you can get, it's debatable if Star Wars is even actual science fiction in the first place. It's more fantasy than sci-fi.
You didn't greentext so you said that and look like that lmao
^
meds
Cope moron. We're literally in a thread arguing about a space laser in a kid's movie. The difference is I'm here to make fun of you for it.
Remember the low IQ homosexuals that actually praised this movie and didn't jump on the hate bandwagaon until Last Jedi
imagine complaining about stupid shit like that when the entire sequel trilogy is basically the worst fanfiction writing combined in 3 movies.
It was only meant to hit one planet but hit The Dark Side of the Moon and refracted