>I drank the water of life...

>I drank the water of life... I drank the water of life in the desert
>Usul, on the nights before the jihad-
>The day before the day of and the day after I was straight cranked off that water, all of those days I was hallucinating off the worm piss, in excess

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >riley strain ... reported missing then found drowned
    >carson hughes ... reported missing then found drowned
    >both in the same month
    This is very suspicious. They are covering up more young guys who went missing then later found drowned. The cover up involves whole families and neighborhoods goi

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Le heckin smiley face killer!
      it’s just drunk morons falling into rivers
      although with Riley it looks like he got into a fight with a homeless and got thrown into the river

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick is the point of drinking the worm jizz again?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and
      It's the spiciest spice.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's like shooting up heroin instead of snorting it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It gives those who survive (it's usually fatal) access to the memories of their ancestors. Females are only able to access their female ancestors' memories. Men never survive until Paul since he's the Kwisatz Haderach. The few females who survive become Reverend Mothers. The Kwisatz Haderach can access the memories of both male and female ancestors.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay... and then what? What purpose do the memories serve? Also I don't know what a Kwisatz Haderach is, but it sounds gibberish for Plot Armor.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Having access to the memories of your ancestors means you're able to bridge space and time, which was the prophesy laid out in the first movie.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why would you want to bridge space and time? What does that even mean? Is this like some Interstellar/Arrival shit?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >why would you want to eliminate the greatest impediment to humanity's existence and gain complete foresight of all that has been and all that will become so that you are able to steer the universe as best you can to the best possible outcome before you die?
              Idk bro

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds pretty boring. Hell, this thematic concept and how it plays out has been covered in a lot of fiction. From Plato's Republic, to Dragon's Dogma, to Loki, to Dune itself. Spoiler alert, it always ends badly for the people who seek omniscience and/or total control, and typically results in their self-coordinated death or an inverted storyline of them seeking ignorance, or a balance.
                If you've nothing to seek, why wake?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you're on the wrong side of the teetertotter.
                homie get a grip.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Bene Gesseritt wants to influence and guide (but not be the actual rulers) humanity's future by having a prescient Kwisatz Haderach. Their theory is that since the Kwisatz Haderach can access both male and female memories he can predict the future. Paul has the mental capacity of a Mentat (a human trained to be a human computer) and can use his complete knowledge of human actions in the past to calculate humanity's future.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ahhh Denis kind of forgot to have any kind of explanation or context to the events in the film.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        doesnt he only survive bec of bene gesserit training he got from his mom and not because hes the quiznos bandersnatch?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He survived mainly because of his genes which is the result of generations of breeding guided by the Bene Gesseritt. The training given by his mother helped in overcoming dangers from enemies.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ye but dont bene gesserit get training in poison resistance?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes they do. They can control their bodies perfectly—although not to the point of sharp shifting, which is the forte of the Bene Tleilax. It is likely how they manage to speak such specific vocal/throatal ‘tones’ to control people using the Voice.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's the Agony (extreme pain to the point of near-death) that results in their gaining access to past memories. They internally convert the water of life from poison to non-poison but after they survive the Agony. If the make the poison harmless before the Agony then they won't become Reverend Mothers.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don’t forget the orgy inducing drug part…that was left out in the movie…

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol Yeah, I was looking forward to seeing that in the movie.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The prana bindu bullshit also helped hom a frickton otherwise he'd have stayed in that coma

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Definitely was a huge factor we assume genetics play a role as well due to him being a breeding project

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To overwhelm and erase your sense of self duh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pure concentrated spice

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i want to drink the cum of paul and feyd

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the Water of Life (and Paul drinking it) seems pretty underplayed in the movie.
    Jessica just seems more schizo than Fetus Alia talking to her

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >seems pretty underplayed in the movie.
      I was a bit sad thinking that they were going to butcher how Paul changes after drinking it. In the books I felt he became more stoic with all that mad shit going in his head because of the memories. In the movie the scene right after, when he talks to Jessica all serious, is almost perfect, particularly the part about seeing a small open space in the future he can go through. It felt eerie, alien and fantastical all in the right ways.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did any other male besides Paul drink the water of life?
    Leto 2 didn't need it because he was an Abomination

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and they all died. The Bene Gesseritt's breeding program is designed to produce the Kwisatz Haderach who can survive drinking the Spice Agony.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *survive the Spice Agony

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In all the time Leto 2 was Worm Emperor they never got another KH ? or even afterwards. Did they stop trying to make one? its been a long time since I read those books

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Duncan is the one true KH

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Leto 2 took over the Bene Gesseritt's breeding program but his aim is to produce a human with genes that will make humans invisible to precients. Both Paul and Leto II saw a future where all humanity is exterminated by prescient hunter machines who can detect and outmaneuver every single human. Also, the Bene Gesseritt became afraid of another Kwisatz Haderach who will basically enslave them like Leto II. In the post Leto II future they suspected an Atreides descendant of being a Kwisatz Haderach and was prepared to kill him. But Miles Teg was able to convince them he wasn't (although he actually was).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >prescient hunter machines

            It’s pointed out that the prescience conducted by Guild Navigators is essentially just…math…and as such machines should be able to do it as well. Machines also create artificial spice and no-zones and no-ships to block prescience.

            Machines best race.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Face Dancers dab on machines

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Before the Guild (and the Butlerian Jihad) computers were used for interstellar navigation but the Butlerian Jihad against AI wiped out computers and instilled a strong cultural fear of computers so Mentats (humans trained to do what computers used to do) and Guild Navigators came to be.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but machines got better, in the end.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Brian Herbert's writings are not, and never will be, canon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s part of cringe Brian canon? I could have sworn Frank upped the machines’ threat. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Machines exterminating humanity in the future is part of Frank Herbert's canon and is the reason for Leto II's Golden Path breeding program which successfully produced a human with genes that will make humans invisible to precients (and to the extinction-causing machines) but Daniel and Marty being AI robots is part of Brian's extremely cringe (and very amateurish) writings. Frank's last novel clearly showed that Daniel and Marty are Face Dancers who became independent of the Bene Tleilax Masters. Brian blatantly contradicts canon lore. And Daniel and Marty being AI is a major plot item in his non-canon writings.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          leto 2 was also a beeswax paddywack, being paul's son, but he lived for 3000 years and died a virgin so the line didn't continue. there were some other people that tried to create a synthetic flapjack fizzlebang in a plot to overthrow paul, but it went insane and killed itself or something. and after leto too died the scattering happened and there wasn't really a need for another benedict cumberbatch

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Actually, the Atreides line continued with the descendants of his twin sister.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              corrupted with harkonnen filth. not true atreides.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So Leto I was the last true Atreides

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So Leto I was the last true Atreides

                Jessica, Paul's mother, is the biological daughter of the Baron Harkonnen so Paul and Leto II (and Alia) have Harkonnen blood/genes. Btw, the grossly fat Baron is said to be super handsome hot in his youth.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yea but she was a woman, and female bloodlines don't count because women are property to be married off for political purposes. that's why leto was the last atreides.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can anyone explain to me why the Fremen, out of seemingly nowhere, went from hating Paul's mom to inviting her to become the single most important religious figure of their entire society?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >went from hating Paul's mom to inviting her to become the single most important religious figure of their entire society
      My understanding is that the Missionaria Protectiva did wonders as bait and Jessica played it masterfully to a tee. She basically did what Paul did in the speech scene: started to say stuff about their past that only the person knew, effectively fulfilling the prophecy and winning Fremens all around. Powerful shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Weaponized superstition is cool in fiction.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its cool irl too

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its cool irl too

          Religion everywhere is already this, and it’s why atheists are dangerous buttholes if they decide to prey upon it. The sorcerer is just the charlatan with presence, like a doctor falsely diagnosing someone with cancer. The psyche is so easy to screw with. Religion isn’t even supposed to be truthful as a rule, as that defeats the purpose of faith and belief.

          The only faction more sinister is the Guild, an organization that likens itself to a parasite—lead ahead of everyone else by their tank oracles.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don’t the Guild and the Bene Gesserit dislike each other since they’re the two factions that explicitly operate using psychic woo-woo?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, but the Bene Tleilax are a more apt contrast. If the Bene Gesserit are slow acting, or slow moving eugenicists, run by women, then the Bene Tleilax are biologists who brute force life into immediate being. The Bene Tleilax are also male oriented, their women serving as unconscious breeding vessels and nothing else. The Bene Gesserit despise them more than other group, and even the rest of the galaxy shy away from them.

              Regardless, the Bene Tleilax are responsible for the shapeshifting facedancers, and the gholas, which are clones of past persons, some of which even have access to the original’s memories and personality—something only the Bene Gesserit are usually privileged to.

              The Bene Tleilax also bred their own Kwisatz Haderach, but it killed itself in defiance of being controlled. This fact alone shocked the Bene Gesserit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >their women serving as unconscious breeding vessels and nothing else
                w-will we see this in the movies

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If I recall its from the Last book and I doubt they would ever get that far in the film series.
                No one likes the Post-God Emperor stories

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Bene Tleilax also bred their own Kwisatz Haderach, but it killed itself in defiance of being controlled. This fact alone shocked the Bene Gesserit.

                Refresh my memory. Who are you talking about

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                “A creature who has spent his life creating one particular representation of his selfdom will die rather than become the antithesis of that representation.”
                — Facedancer Scytale

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I’d say the Guild hates the Bene Gesserit more than the Bene Gesserit hate the guild.

              They are on opposite sides of the fight. The Sisterhood wants a universe of change; the Guild wants a static Imperium.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She was a Bene Gesserit, and because the Fremen's religious cult side of their culture was created by the Bene Gesserit, they require a Bene Gesserit, and she was there, so it was convenient I guess.
      I don't really know. I don't even fricking know why the Bene Gesserit haven't been genocided, or what they were trying to accomplish with inserting religious fanaticism into the sand people's society, or what their endgame even is.
      The more I learn about Dune the more it just sounds like one of those manga/anime that are written for efficiency and improvisation, as in making up random shit because it sounds cool and to keep the series ongoing for the sake of money, and not really to tell a story in any coherent fashion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The more I learn about Dune the more it just sounds like one of those manga/anime

        Dune is literally an anime plotline, yes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The more I learn about Dune the more it just sounds like one of those manga/anime that are written for efficiency and improvisation, as in making up random shit because it sounds cool and to keep the series ongoing for the sake of money, and not really to tell a story in any coherent fashion.
        This is why I can't really get invested with Dune. It fits together less and less cohesively the further you go with it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This is why I can't really get invested with Dune. It fits together less and less cohesively the further you go with it.
          It fits together fine. The problem is that the world building is very difficult to do on screen. You can't explain history and convention very well. That is the problem. The systems, factions and how they influence each other do make sense.

          Why would you want to bridge space and time? What does that even mean? Is this like some Interstellar/Arrival shit?

          To try and find the best path forward for humanity.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Bene Gesserit is basically the CIA, but extremely competent. They work in the shadows and are one of the four most powerful organizations in the Known Universe, the other three being the Spacing Guild, the Padishah Emperor and the Landsraad (the others houses). The thing is that they are covert as frick and definitely aren't seen as a major player in the game.
        It's like the Maesters in ASOIAF with their own schemes but seen as obediant dogs for lots of people.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They initially considered Jessica useless and dead weight since she did not grow up in the desert and would be a waste of water and resources. But when she physically overcame Stilgar they realized she's what they call a weirding woman with fighting skills that are useful to them. And they also realized that she's a Sayyadina (a sort of priestess that has a very important role on Fremen life).

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Paul know about random fremen's lives after he drank the water of life? its not like one of his past ancestors knew about a random Fremen's grandmother

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because he can see possible futures

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The possible future of a random Fremen's grandmother?
        Maybe can read minds though it doesn't seem like that happens in the movie

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The possible future of a random Fremen's grandmother?
          Perhaps a possible future of having a conversation with that individual or knowing them.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If your ancestors weren't moron hylics you'd have access to untold secrets and the true history of events.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    No, no. NTA but here's how I think it works: you are a genius mathematician, so you have lots of experience and knowledge of maths. Say you are trying to land a rocket without the help of a computer, this means you have to calculate a bunch of stuff related to gravity, aerodynamics, thermodynamics etc by yourself. Consider that you are also doing it while meteors are raining from the sky and the nearest sun is emitting massive solar storms/flares to add insult to injury. This is extremely dangerous of course because it's hard to account for these ever-changing-hard-to-account-for variables and how they are influencing each other. So what would you do as a spice connoisseur? You would use your prescience to look at possible futures and find the right variables where a) you are not hit by a meteor b) you are not washed by a solar storm and c) of course all the math to land the rocket calculated in your mind is correct.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    He has access to every memory of every human that has ever existed throughout time, giving him a complete understanding of human nature and how to predict and manipulate it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He has access to every *ancestor* of his, which is more than enough.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      he also got the power to bridge space and time with futuresight.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Having access to the memories of your ancestors and prescience are different things in that scenario. Navigators only use the latter. Herbert was playing with the possibility of DNA actually possessing some form of vestigial memory, which in the Dune Universe everyone has, but no means of accessing it. Well, everyone except Reverend Mothers and the Kwisatz Haderach.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Bene Tleilax can brute force ancestral memories by creating clones of the person, and causing the memories to resurface through special mental conditioning, or torture. This also comes with the benefit of actually having an actual body to go along with the deceased ancestral memories. Such personalities are locked away in the minds of the Reverend Mothers, in the case of the Bene Gesserit.

      The Bene Tleilax perform “true resurrection” in comparison, is my point,

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but only the Ixians can clone your best friend but make him a hot girl

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tleilaxu Facedancers can be anyone you want, buddy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry, anon. I haven't read the other books yet, so I won't engage with your comment. Too many spoilers, I feel. kek
        >The Bene Tleilax perform “true resurrection” in comparison, is my point
        This I know. It's the Ghola thing iirc, which is basically cloning with extra steps, but made to be a faithful copy with memories and all or something.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry, anon. I haven't read the other books yet, so I won't engage with your comment. Too many spoilers, I feel. kek
        >The Bene Tleilax perform “true resurrection” in comparison, is my point
        This I know. It's the Ghola thing iirc, which is basically cloning with extra steps, but made to be a faithful copy with memories and all or something.

        No, not the ancestral memories. The Tleilaxu found a way to restore the original person's memories in a ghola (clone) but only that person's memories not his ancestors'. Normally, gholas do not have memories of the person they were cloned from.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don’t split hairs. A ghola in this case could definitely be someone’s ancestor, if decided. It’s not true ancestral memory in the headspace, as with the Bene Gesserit, but it -is- past memory being brought out in the flesh incarnate, regardless. This is also a recent breakthrough in the books. It’s a new feature that sets Tleilaxu clones apart from other cloning organizations, such as a Guild, which clones their best and most powerful Navigators, like “the Edrics”.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The difference is a ghola has access to only one person's memory while a Kwisatz Haderachs has access to the memories of billions of people from his parents all the way to the first human beings.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, but they’re still past memories regardless. The cloning method is the more selective and tangible method. The other is potentially overwhelming to the individual.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's your point? My point is that he Kwisatz Haderach requires all human ancestors' memories to be able to predict the future. Having the memory of only one person won't make you a Kwisatz Haderach.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m not saying having a single memory will make you into the super being, anon.
                I’m saying the Tleilaxu can clone ancestors, and bring out the memories of the original. It’s more specific.

                But what’s even scarier is that the Bene Tleilax actually made their own Kwisatz Haderach, but it killed itself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But what’s even scarier is that the Bene Tleilax actually made their own Kwisatz Haderach, but it killed itself.
                When the frick does this happen? Which book?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Bene Tleilax also bred their own Kwisatz Haderach, but it killed itself in defiance of being controlled. This fact alone shocked the Bene Gesserit.

                Refresh my memory. Who are you talking about

                When the various organization representatives have their meeting about dethroning Paul, the Tleilaxu Master tells Mohiam about it, and she seduces that it killed itself. She was shocked initially, and maybe even plays it off still. It was a very “what the hell” moment.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In Dune Messiah, the Face Dancer Scytale reveals to a Reverend Mother that the Bene Tleilax created their own Kwisatz Haderachs, and discovered that Kwisatz Haderachs will die before becoming their opposites (and so can be killed by manipulating them into betraying themselves).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Actually, the Edric clones are provided by the Bene Tleilax. The Guild do not have ghola tech. Ghola tech is a closely guarded secret that only the Bene Gesseritt (later after the Honored Matres wiped the Tleilaxu except for one Master) knew.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That is near the end of the books, when the Matres assimilated stolen knowledge and actually had Navigators on their side.

              Not all clones are gholas. Cloning isn’t unique to the Tleilaxu, just their sophistication.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >transport molecules
    If you're referring to the Guild Navigators, the Navigators do not perform the fold-space. They choose a path that will allow the ship to emerge in normal space safely. Prior to Guild Navigators, ships were folding space but most of them would emerge at a location that another object is occupying or would hit something during their journey. It was very very very lucky (and unlikely) for a ship to survive. The Navigators can foresee the paths that will lead to death and avoid them.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This franchise seems pretty gay. Boy becomes god because he's super special? Where's the struggle? Where's the humanity?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you should probably stick to your shonen mangas.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >overly complicated, drawn out movie using a ton of esoteric terms that require you to have already consumed all the past media
    I saw the movie that preceded this one when it came out and had nfi what was going on. Some point faced kid, a mutt chick with the face of a run-over toad and a lot of sand.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are sand worms so aggressive? Even as babies?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's the owner, not the breed okay?!

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