I got filtered hard.
I get the ending but everything else makes me feel like a brainlet.
I got filtered hard. I get the ending but everything else makes me feel like a brainlet.
I got filtered hard.
I get the ending but everything else makes me feel like a brainlet.
That's a sincere reaction but keep in mind that allusion and allegory are sometimes there for you to interpret them, the puzzle is not necessarily airtight. Draw your conclusions, read what's been written by others about the movie, it's full of tiny riddles and tips and the version we got was not the original cut, which runs 4 h I think and which I'd very much like to watch. Perhaps it'll be released eventually because UTSL became a legitimate cult movie
>UTSL became a legitimate cult movie
It's very good, has an interesting message and a challenging way to present it. It's also peak millenial kino, of the kind that will feel nostalgic when watching it in 10 years.
I watched it back to back with Inherent Vice by pure coïncidence and they work so well as a duology that my mind actually linked them together forever and I understood some of each movie's message through the other.
Yeah, it has a hallucinatory effect in the way it places the mc in these settings and he keeps meeting people and having odd conversations with them and it does have specific connections w millennial culture
Inherent Vice is similar but with boomers, which is why it clicks less with me. Also UTSL comes off as less pretentious, probably because the director isn't as well established as PTA nor the main actor as dick sucked as Joaquim Phoenix
>not the original cut, which runs 4 h
God I want to see that, it’s criminal how badly A24 cucked this film
This movie sucks dick. Ripped off Inherent Vice and not in a good way. Just watch Inherent Vice
The only thing it has in common with IV (an even better movie, I agree) is the neonoir setting and pop tropes.
They both belong to the same subgenre, which is great btw and include several excellent movies from Sunset Boulevard to Starry Eyes and Mulholland Dr
Are you joking? Everything is ripped off from Inherent Vice and Pynchon. The entire cinematography. To entire scenes. Even the music is stolen from Inherent Vice lol. The music....... Missing girl is involved with a cult of old dudes sitting around in white robes. I could list about a hundred more things ripped off
And? Everything is copied from everything. It's not like Inherent Vice is much better, much older or a blockbuster that made bank so the guy tried replicating it.
>Everything is copied from everything.
Sure but it's a shameless rip off.
>It's not like Inherent Vice is much better
It is though. UTSL is vapid. Nothing of substance intellectually. It's conspiracy porn for midwits. For people who love Netflix originals and based on conversations with people who like this movie that seems to fit 100%. Then again we are on Cinemaphile not Cinemaphile so I don't blame you.
>UTSL is vapid. Nothing of substance intellectually. It's conspiracy porn for midwits.
same applies to IV
Inherent Vice is based on reality though. Pynchon himself was involved in similar situations and everything going on the background is not an invention. It's based on reality. CIA, Heroin being involved with local PD and the elite. Everything is true in the movie. UTSL was just conspiracytard fanfiction porn. Straight up moronic scenes with no truth.
>UTSL was just conspiracytard fanfiction porn
You don't think music that makes it to radio is made, produced and hand picked by the same people generation after generation?
You don't think there are two types of people, those that participate in media and the general zeitgeist and those that are subject to it?
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Pynchon did create this specific type of conspiracy/pop/neonoir narrative.
IV,Vineland and V. have similar plots/energy, But there's nothing in UTSL that resembles them in a way that feels like plagiarism, and it isn't also the 1st movie to be inspired by this type of plot/setting: Southland Tales tried to emulate Pynchon in a way that was much less fresh than UTSL.
There's no such thing as "entire scenes" or music from IV being lifted and used in UTSL, you're reaching or confused.
>Missing girl is involved with a cult of old dudes sitting around in white robes.
Not the 1st or last time this trope was used.
Everything I'm saying is true. Never My Love was used in Inherent Vice and UTSL. Weird such an obscure song was used in such a similar movie. I'm sure it was just a coincidence huh.....
Did Andrew Garfield frick your crush im high school? Were you mad at your ex / gf for commenting on how cute he was at some point?
I've noticed that many times when someone has such a relentless hate for a piece of media there's some bruised ego underneath it at some level. You don't argue like someone that didn't like the movie, you argue like someone that hates something about that movie with passion, and just being disappointed at plagiarism wouldn't motivate you enough to hate it.
>a certain facet is reminiscent of another movie
>ergo the movie you’re watching is ruined
Lmao really? That could be said for almost every movie.
I believe you are trolling so I will not let my self be baited but it's more than one thing. The entire concept of the movie. The ending. The cinematography. Entire scenes. Are you going to say it didn't rip Pynchon with this???? You are baiting and I will likely not respond further but because this thread comes so many times I will rewatch both movies and make a note of every single similarity and save it to a notepad that I will post every single time this thread comes.
I hit it on the head didn't I?
My intention wasn't to hurt you Anon, but you should let go personal biases when discussing kino.
I will respond to this post only. The movie is not bad because it's similar. It's bad because it's bad. If it was a rip off but was good I would love the movie. I love watching the same type of movie over and over.
That's your opinion. I think it's good. And Andrew Garfield is indeed cute.
Why do you hate Andrew Garfield? He’s a decent actor I’d highly recommend pic related to anyone
He did a similar one with Michael Shannon, 99 homes. Background is the aftermath of the subprime crisis. The premise is cringe and boring, the message a bit too preachy, but the two mains elevate it soooo much and it's rather comfy too.
Director's put ciphers in, some he says haven't been uncovered. And a lot of conspiracy material. Take it as a Hitchwienery murder mystery
Shannon in My Son My Son, What Have Ye Done was the last to give this vibe for me
Shannon is such a great actor with tremendous screen presence. I regret that he stained his filmography with capeshit.
Eh, Bale being in both Thor and Batman doesn't ruin how good The Machinist and American Psycho are. Same with Shannon, he's fricking amazing in Waco.
No joke. He seems like a fricking weirdo in real life but his performances in BUG and Take Shelter are undeniably kino of the highest order.
>Pynchon
I’ve never seen Pynchon but I will watch it, and you know what? It won’t ruin either movie for me. If something is good and something similar comes out that’s just good news for me I get more of what I like. There are plenty of completely original and unique movies that are absolute diarrhea so two to three good movies in the same vein isn’t exactly something I’d whine about.
No it isn't, your view seems fogged by personal preference-- which is in itself perfectly ok from a subjective perspective-- and, ironically, being too conspiratorial in trying to say some UTSL scenes were plagiarized from IV. Chill out a bit
>Never My Love was used in Inherent Vice and UTSL
Oh my sides
That's utterly secondary except for people obsessing and trying to find a copy where there is, at best, respectful acknowledgment of IV, an undoubtedly great movie
It happens in the same city as well, only 20 years apart. What I took from both is that liberal / hippie / drugs / hipster subcultures in the US were manufactured. Which they were. Glowies funded Warhol (some glowBlack person outright admitted it a few years ago) and similar "subversive" and "counter" cultures, diatributed LSD, heroin, cocaine and crack, etc, etc.
All in all everything is the way it is by design, counterculture itself is inherently part of the US culture and serves a purpose of channelling potentially violent movements into benign subgroups focused on aesthetics, lifestyles and shallow consumerism of another kind.
Not a communist btw, before mutts start foaming at me from the mouth.
Neonoir and LA/California go well together because of the movie/entertainment system being pervasive in the region, w/ direct results in the economy and human landscape.
There's a famous, wonderful comic by Dennis Eichhorn called The Federal Duck where he casually describes how openly the US Gov dealt with LSD testing at some point. It wasn't conspiratiorial but rather reckless I'd say until LSD use was outlawed
Yeah, it would be easy money for A24 too, I assume it will be released eventually because of that
Translating Pynchon's prose into an excellent movie is one of the reasons why PTA is often considered one the best living directors
Mitchell did great by doing his own thing
Don't worry, you're not involved in any Hollywood inner circles or secret societies so the only thing you can do is guess and assume, like the rest of the people who comment on the film.
>you're not involved in any Hollywood inner circles or secret societies
Neither is David Robert Mitchell, he's just some guy
Yet the movie indicates a great knowledge of goings-on, and it's stilted release further suggests he was onto something.
Why is there a face in the palm trees?
Look at the bubbles
What's in the bubbles?
Sam was supposed to be 33? Shit, I thought he was like 24
It's Foucault's Pendulum done right. The more you know about the occult, child trafficking rings, MKUltra, the more you fill in the missing pieces in the film. But ultimately, you're just making shit up.
I love this movie. You feel like you actually go on a journey of sorts and Andrew Garfield was a perfect cast for the role.
>eyes wide shut but bad
Just watched this the other day it was good.
tried watching inherent vice and it was terrible. I hate paul thomas anderson so much, what a hack. UTSL is miles better.
I have this weird thing with PTA where I don't like any of his films except The Master but I somehow keep watching them.
this. I hope the guy defending it seeths for eternity
"The guy"? Inherent Vice is widely considered a great movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherent_Vice_(film)#Reception
So is UTSL. I like both btw. They're a two parter in my head cannon.
I do love both movies as well but UTSL is more divisive.
I didn't even get the ending, what was the ending about?
That Sam realized the old rich guy was right and giving up his earthly belongings, which is why he smiles when the landlord breaks into his apartment. It's why the movie idolizes homeless people so much too.
That's my interpretation, at least
It's open-ended: he seems content acknowledging the mysteries of life at least