This. Modern fiction dictates that forgiveness is arbitrary. A literal baby eating monster gets the same chance at forgiveness as a jaywalker who looks at you funny, maybe more.
Yeah, I'm really curious if how they'll handle that in the show.
Like, I could see Nolan still becoming good, but I don't know if they'll keep Mark and Debbie completely forgiving him.
Mark and Debbie will because family.
Cecil will tolerate him becuase necessary evil.
Everyone else is a no go, but they don't really matter
I can imagine Nolan gets forgiveness from some people, but he could never return to Earth.
To be fair, it wasn't really that instantaneous of a forgiveness in the comics. Debbie was just a goddamn champ of a woman, even going as far as to raise Omniman's alien kid. The damage was present in the comics for awhile.
>quick google search >"One of the biggest changes between the "Invincible" comics and the animated series is the latter project's focus on diversity" >a lot of details changed, they all say is faithful to the original plot anyway
So, did you read it?
Vegeta saving Earth and the universe multiple times more than makes up for conquering a few planets
17 and 18 literally did nothing wrong outside of harassing a few people, future 17 and 18 got what they deserved
the T-800 is literally a mindless robot that does whatever it's programmed to do
most capeshit villians get "redeemed" only to go back to being bad guys like 4 issues later
>17 and 18 literally did nothing wrong outside of harassing a few people
How can you tell they will not do as future 17 an 18 done?
>How can you tell they will not do as future 17 an 18 done?
because it's been like 10 years since the Cell saga and they still haven't done anything wrong? It's not like they're hard coded to do what they did, they just did what any shitty teenager would have done with their powers
The over the over the to mass murder of innocents scenes were added for the animated adaptation. It will be hard if not impossible for him to be redeemed over that. The Guardians of the Globe were military targets, but Omni-Man just went around killing people for fun.
>Omni-Man just went around killing people for fun.
It was more indifference, the point was that he simply didn't care because of his perspective/age. The rest of his arc can still play out largely the same way as in the comics, he may be less redeemable but everything he did differently in the show was still in line with the character's views.
him already killing the guardians was already "not redeemable" level, adding a few thousands of innocent people won't add any more to it. Thus if you can excuse him killing the only line of defense the earth has against villains and aliens, then you can excuse him killing a few thousand random civilians
Reminder to eleutheromaniacs: this is what your superheroes would be in real life. Turning him into a simpering Superman wannabe because his son fell in love with what to them is like a dog tells me everything I need about who wrote the comic and who is writing the show.
>Reminder to eleutheromaniacs: this is what your superheroes would be in real life. Turning him into a simpering Superman wannabe because his son fell in love with what to them is like a dog tells me everything I need about who wrote the comic and who is writing the show.
>HURR DURR IF SUPERMAN WUZ REAL HE'D BE EBIL, BECUZ... JUST BECUZ!!!!1!
Pacifism is a privilege of the truly strong, the fact that your mind immediately goes to murder is purely proof of your own weakness
Comparing a physically inferior but intellectually equal and fully sapient species to domesticated animals tells me everything I need about who wrote this post and the parents and teachers who failed raising them.
Only to a sociopath. Sapience is the only valid measure of whether or not something deserves to be treated like an equal. Only a fricking savage measures whether or not people are people by how long they live or whether or not you could beat them in a fight, you miserable ape.
>Sapience is the only valid measure of whether or not something deserves to be treated like an equal
And yet, it cannot be adequately defined or objectively demonstrated. >Only a fricking savage measures whether or not people are people by how long they live or whether or not you could beat them in a fight
Then guess what, you're being ruled by fricking savages.
Intelligence is measured all the time you stupid motherfricker. We routinely employ concrete models for cognitive development in children where we can pinpoint the exact age they become self-aware and can understand concepts that animals can't.
The doctors used them when you were a baby to discover where you are on the autism spectrum and to give your parents an exact figure on how hopeless it would be that you'd have any chance of learning to take care of yourself and function in society without a handler.
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>The doctors used them when you were a baby to discover where you are on the autism spectrum
And found that I was the complete opposite of a filthy autist, essentially giving my parents an excuse to give me a second birthday.
Yeah, at the peril caused by savages. Its a seld fulfilling prophecy.
2 years ago
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>United Fruit Company is savages
Nice Scotsman you have there, anon. But is it a TRUE Scotsman?
2 years ago
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What are you talking about?
2 years ago
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Anon was arguing by implicitly redefining terms so that the silly statement was correct after all. But if we use the actual definitions of words, there are, of course, perils faced by civilizations other than savages.
2 years ago
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>there are, of course, perils faced by civilizations other than savages
Of course. Like people who claim to be above savagery, yet empower it at every step.
Apparently you don't even know what this word means. "Eleutheromania" is a strong desire for personal freedom, and though you could use it in a pejorative context, it really depends on why the person in question wants that freedom.
The way you keep using it - >I love watching eletheromaniacs argue
Or in this case: >Listen eleutheromaniacs, Vegeta can't team up with Goku
Makes no fricking sense. It has nothing to do with a desire for freedom. Usually the political arguments have nothing to do with wanting the kind of freedom the word describes either.
>It has nothing to do with a desire for freedom
Characters like Superman being the basis of the superhero myth has everything to do with not just the desire for it, but the tendency for some to bury themselves in its corpse and pretend the warmth they feel isn't a mass of larvae. This is why I consider Superman to be a villainous character, despite his seemingly heroic actions. >The way you keep using it
So many before me have pointed out this fallacy, I won't bother, except to point out that many have pointed out this fallacy before me.
>Reminder to eleutheromaniacs
Don't care
Didn't read
Plus your a board autist
>See above.
No, it's very clear you're in dire need of validation for your moronic opinions so I'm not giving it to you. Stop obsessing over this boogeyman you've created for yourself.
>the post-WW2 order of the Western world is a boogeyman
And you say I need meds. You're typing it as soon as you see I've posted this, and you're going to post it after you've read this because you have no sense of irony or perspective.
The basis of Superman'sappeal is >What if I could fly and shoot heat vision and I had a girlfriend I torture and Jimmy Olsen looked up to me. But also the town loved me because I always save them.
Superman is specifically tied down to his obligations to Lois, Jimmy, and Metropolis. He's barely Superman if he isn't chainedto the altruism and responsibilities that make him Superman.
You clearly have no idea what "eleutheromania" means and you're using it as a $2 word to make yourself feel smart, even though in practice everyone finds you stupid, tedious, and repetitive.
>He's barely Superman if he isn't chainedto the altruism
No, he's just a better Superman, because he'd recognize that he's God to these pathetic humans and act accordingly. >You clearly have no idea what "eleutheromania" means
It makes you write stories about Gods giving the faintest fart of a frick about human comforts.
"Eleutherophobia" would be the word you'd use to describe a person who has a fear of choices, or who gets choice paralysis. That'd be the person who says "Well Superman HAS to uphold the laws of Metropolis", because it's an embrace of a solved system.
For fiction's sake, Superman does have to be personally invested in Metropolis or else there's no stakes. He himself is invincible, so his story comes from saving the vulnerable things and people he cares about. If he didn't care about Lois or otherwise had no earthly motives, he'd be Dr. Manhatten and he'd go live on Mars.
An "eleutheromaniac" would be the type who'd look at that character and say, "How can you do this! Lois is just holding him back! He shouldn't have to care about anything!"
But of course that borders on nihilism. Superman with absolute freedom is an all-powerful character with no investments and nothing to lose.
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To be honest, I give shit none about Superman himself, I'm just sick of people feeding the delusion that superior beings to humans would care about our comforts or the grand fiction we call "Freedom," all because losing those things means adopting a new set of rules.
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Personally I just figured you listened to some kind of Ben Shapiro audio book and picked up the world "eleutheromaniac" being used as a pejorative by some elitist pseudo-intellectual who thinks people are too clingy to their ability to do things some shitty elitist doesn't approve of. So now you've made the word your catch phrase without double-checking the definition because that audio book resonated with you and you trusted the author.
2 years ago
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I don't care to read about how you've discovered new words post-education.
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Superior literally just in that they're super strong and live longer, they still have minds that crave affection and are capable of compassion, they aren't fricking eldritch beings or something.
Not only will Nolan get redeemed, Mark will cry harder and disregard his mother being disrespected even more. Because Mark will do anything to have his father back. And then Debbie will see Nolan and she'll get on all fours and bark like a dog.
>anissa rapes mark once >mark attacks her on sight and wants nothing to do with her, even when she tries to apologize >nolan kills a shit load of people, talks shit about mark's mother, and beats mark to an inch of his life >first thing mark does is cry and hug his father next time he sees him
God I hope show Mark gives Nolan shit and clocks him for what he did. He's already better than comic Mark by a mile.
I'm actually disappointed. Nolan took forever to almost kill Mark. What type of father takes that long? There are kids that are mentally scarred from a belt whooping.
And his mom. Mark cares so much for his father he's able to overlook the shit he put his mother through. But hey, so does Debbie. Everyone just loves Nolan.
>Not the same character because her soul got split bro
Yeah no. Same b***h, same voice, same name, same character. One of the shining lights at the end of the tunnel for the expac for me was the prospect of being able to stomp her face in and /spit on her corpse once a week, and in the end that was denied to us because the Prime homosexual had to scoot in and save his waifu from being truly defiled and killed off.
>take note Blizzard, Sylvy should not have survived the end of Shadowlands
What difference does it make, Shadowlands has made death meaningless in Wow. Infact there's basically no reason for Sylvanas to not want to die since she has nothing to live for and being dead means she doesn't have to be a corpse anymore and can spend an eternity in paradise. Now if Sylv's soul got completely obliterated at the end of Shadowlands that'd be a much more deserving fate.
>character does something bad >I guess that means no redemption right?
no anon that's actually the opposite of how it works, characters can only get a redemption if they do something bad first
Sure but there's a limit to how much a character can do before no one should be fine with the idea of them returning back to the side of good as if nothing ever happened
sure but its not exactly something with hard lines in fiction especially since, and I don't know these comics, but the choice is to reject Omniman and refuse to accept his help against a literal army of people who are all just as powerful as him
Like what kind of moron moral compass are you following that you think, killed people in the past is more important than saving people right now?
lol right just like our real justice system is setting a strong precedent for preventing coups by aggressively prosecuting them in order to deter others
Sorry but even if I was to take your idea seriously even when it clear that's not actually how the justice system works, the precedent that someone who saved the world multiple times and will actively continue to protect the world is pardoned for a few thousands deaths doesn't seem like that awful of a precedent to set, call me a utilitarian but I've heard much worse arguments for pardons.
Dude, the justice system doesn't let doctors off the hook for murder just because they frequently save kids of somesuch, and nor should it
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cool but Superman isn't a doctor and being Superman isn't something anyone can learn at college, its not like Omniman is replacable
if the only doctor you had in an isolated community had committed a murder I wouldn't suggest killing him and ensuring his knowledge and skills are lost to you forever
2 years ago
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Gambling the person you are giving power over life and death who has already abused that power won't do it again is fricking stupid.
2 years ago
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Committing a murder easily outweighs whatever good he's done helping sick people. Yes he's got to go. Replacing doctors isn't impossible.
2 years ago
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>remove doctor due to him killing his wife >80% of the villages elderly drop dead now, half the births end with the baby dying or being chocked by its own unbilical cord, hefty wounds wich need operations to deal with are now fatal for everyone all this cause they got not a single person with medical knowledge around and the UN temporary replacement doctors will be delayed by 2 years
Atleast we showed that doctor whos boss
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Be real. Most of those people would probably not trust him to practice on them anyway. They wouldn't even be cool with him continuing to live there. Even if you were the one in some position of authority to have the say about him, mob justice would probably see things done anyway.
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Anon there have been actual cases in very strict places like Germany where a Doctor killed his wife and everyone spoke positively of him and how his wife was the reason he did it since they have known the guys for years. The doctor was still put in jail but for barely a year. This was in Germany mind you now imagine doing this in a place like Poland. He wont even enter jail and just pay a fine.
Nolan never returns to being a superhero on Earth. He's accepted again by his wife and son when he turns against the conquering side of the empire but he stays in space, doesn't interact with the hero community, and the general public never knows he's still around.
It'll be weird that his wife forgives him so quickly considering they went out of their way to establish her being friends with another wife of the Not!Justice League.
I guess alien dick is just that good.
I'm tired of redemption arcs. Lately, it feels like other characters are the one's putting more effort to redeeming a character over the character themselves. In the case of Isaac, more than half of the show was rendered useless to give him an unearned redemption arc.
>other characters are the one's putting more effort to redeeming a character over the character themselves.
You know, I think this is honesty where I draw the line and haven't really thought about it.
Was Isaac really even a “redemption” arc though? Feels more like he decided to just frick off and do his own thing with Hector. It’s not like any of the other major characters think of him as a good person now, he’s just not a factor in their lives anymore.
He is not a good person but the writers clearly are saying that he is reformed. The writers just genuinely don't understand morality. The show has always been at Dracula's side.
If they had to bring back Dracula and Lisa, there are many ways to not make it seem like are siding with Dracula.
I don't know who you mean but no. The morals in Netflix Castlevania are bugmen modern Materialist morals. Why else it would it treat "muh racism" as reason to kill off all of humanity? The only actually good people were Trevor, Sypha, and Alucard.
Vegeta saving Earth and the universe multiple times more than makes up for conquering a few planets
17 and 18 literally did nothing wrong outside of harassing a few people, future 17 and 18 got what they deserved
the T-800 is literally a mindless robot that does whatever it's programmed to do
most capeshit villians get "redeemed" only to go back to being bad guys like 4 issues later
This but I still don't like Vegeta because he is a shit rival turn the series into Saiyan powerlevel homosexualry.
Vegeta was way worse and he had a redemption in DBZ
Invincible is just more visually graphic
Vegeta's redemption was handled very poorly with how much people put up with him even before he reformed.
>quick google search >"One of the biggest changes between the "Invincible" comics and the animated series is the latter project's focus on diversity" >a lot of details changed, they all say is faithful to the original plot anyway
So, did you read it?
[...] >17 and 18 literally did nothing wrong outside of harassing a few people
How can you tell they will not do as future 17 an 18 done?
>How can you tell they will not do as future 17 an 18 done?
Because Minority Report is a dystopia and you can't punish people for something that they will do in the future.
>Minority Report is a dystopia
It's self-contradictory regardless. You can't have both perfectly-accurate predictions and a crime unit that prevents perfectly-predicted crimes.
>Vegeta saving Earth and the universe multiple times more than makes up for conquering a few planets
Not that anon but no it doesn't. Vegeta shouldn't be allowed to walk free with all child-killing and planet-wide genocides he has committed. The only reason he's still around is because he's a popular character. I don't hate Vegeta, but his fans constantly downplay his actions with morality calculus and BS excuses like "he's better now" and "but he hasn't murdered a child in years" and "he died for an arc so everything is ok now". These fans are under the impression that crimes/morality somehow cancel each other out. Under this mindset, bombing an orphanage is bad, but if that bomber later stops a city from getting nuked then the bomber did nothing wrong and shouldn't be charged with anything. Morality is not DBs strong suit. It never was
>Under this mindset, bombing an orphanage is bad, but if that bomber later stops a city from getting nuked then the bomber did nothing wrong and shouldn't be charged with anything.
Yes. Cry about it zealot
If you want to believe that then I can't stop you. But it would be difficult to defend or argue such behavior is moral or acceptable. Me kicking down your door and killing your family isn't suddenly good or legally justified if I helped stop a mass shooting decades later. That's not how legality works and morals shouldn't work like that either. Helping save the earth/universe is a good thing, but it doesn't absolve any of his previous crimes. Especally since many of these deadly threats only became threats because of his selfish behavior like with Cell and Buu.
I do understand the point, but I always felt that at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, because time tells.
Just look at how shitty media is in general nowadays, could we really blame people in the past for considering gays, lesbians and nigros something bad? Specially when over 70% of the time they demonstrate being the type of cancer we don't want in society?
>Vegeta shouldn't be allowed to walk free with all child-killing and planet-wide genocides he has committed.
Something we've known since we were in caves is that it's more satisfying to kill Vegeta but then it turns out you needed him for something and the entire tribe gets wiped out because you had to feel satisfied.
We have been telling this story, and living it, for all of human history, and whiners still cant accept it.
>Vegeta saving Earth and the universe multiple times more than makes up for conquering a few planets
No it doesn't, because like half the times he did that he was also the one to put it in danger, intentionally. Vegeta was a monster and he never even showed remorse for it unitl DBS.
>Vegeta shouldn't be allowed to walk free with all child-killing and planet-wide genocides he has committed.
Something we've known since we were in caves is that it's more satisfying to kill Vegeta but then it turns out you needed him for something and the entire tribe gets wiped out because you had to feel satisfied.
We have been telling this story, and living it, for all of human history, and whiners still cant accept it.
Letting Vegeta live past Namek literally causes more problems than it solves until Super.
T-800 is a designation held by multiple machines. The one in Terminator is a completely different unit than the one from Terminator 2. That's like blaming Nail for the shit King Piccolo did.
Racist.
The T-800 is just a re-programmed machine, it doesn't have morals so who cares? It's a tool to be used.
If a gun was on the ground on the battlefield would you not use it just because it was an enemies gun?
Why, it’s not Nolan killing those people it’s Mark’s wolf flailing around slaughtering them, it’s all on him for not accepting father-son bonding over world domination.
Vegeta was never redeemed in Z. He died trying to fix just one of the many problems he created and from that point onward everyone just forgot about the trillions of innocent men, women, and children he's murdered. If the cast had any common sense they would have dropped or just killed him the moment he became a hinderance to the team. Thankfully Super is finally starting to give us the development Vegeta as a character needed decades ago. But it's too little too late. Namek is only one of his genocides.
I sincerely think that any human like race that lives that long should be killed off. Best case scenario is that there is a genetically unsustainable number of them with a benevolent leader. Vampires are the worst and Netflix Castlevania not making being a vampire an inherently a bad thing is missing the point.
>"Uhuhuhuhuhuh don't worry we'll replace the redemption arc with political parodies instead *smokes weed* it's all apart of our social deprogramming of super heroes uhuhuhuhuh"
>talk with your son tet-a-tet and explain how there's a whole empire behind things and your or his will play no role here
or >ape out beat him and scream
was a hard choice
>i guess that means no redemption arc
Well, I don't think it's going to follow the comics because the whole arc that goes deep on Omniman's thinking is also fabulously shitting on the idea of timeline/universal resets.
If you haven't read, spoilers: Omniman went full soldier mode, he turned his brain off because he did care about some of the people he killed like the first victims. He acted as fast as he did because he says he knew if he stopped to think for even a second he'd had hesitated and wouldn't have been able to go through with it. This is why Omniman keeps getting progressively more angry at Mark in their fight, Mark knows he's lying to himself and keeps calling him on it. Omniman is trying to be a perfect Viltrumite soldier. Basically he got so fricked here because he flipped his "follow your orders, soldier!" switch.
>not really, considering most threads are about manga chapters
Go to any thread about a moderately popular newly aired Anime and you'll notice how shit the threads are Anon. Primarily because people don't actually read it or speed read the entire thing in a day.
Do not underestimate the naivety of modern writers
This. Modern fiction dictates that forgiveness is arbitrary. A literal baby eating monster gets the same chance at forgiveness as a jaywalker who looks at you funny, maybe more.
Yeah, I'm really curious if how they'll handle that in the show.
Like, I could see Nolan still becoming good, but I don't know if they'll keep Mark and Debbie completely forgiving him.
Mark and Debbie will because family.
Cecil will tolerate him becuase necessary evil.
Everyone else is a no go, but they don't really matter
Isn't that just how it happened in the comic?
I can imagine Nolan gets forgiveness from some people, but he could never return to Earth.
To be fair, it wasn't really that instantaneous of a forgiveness in the comics. Debbie was just a goddamn champ of a woman, even going as far as to raise Omniman's alien kid. The damage was present in the comics for awhile.
In the comics it's was all collateral damage. Here Omniman went out of his way to kill
>no redemption arc
Did you not read the comic?
I mean, the show isn't 100% like the comics.
I hope Eve and Mark don't get together. Somehow she's fricking worse in this than in the comics.
It's true that he should end up with William instead.
Did you not saw OP was talking about the animated adaptation?
>quick google search
>"One of the biggest changes between the "Invincible" comics and the animated series is the latter project's focus on diversity"
>a lot of details changed, they all say is faithful to the original plot anyway
So, did you read it?
>17 and 18 literally did nothing wrong outside of harassing a few people
How can you tell they will not do as future 17 an 18 done?
>How can you tell they will not do as future 17 an 18 done?
because it's been like 10 years since the Cell saga and they still haven't done anything wrong? It's not like they're hard coded to do what they did, they just did what any shitty teenager would have done with their powers
Become a park ranger?
I was talking about the future ones
They express to shenron a wish anons, and in the meantime one of those fell in love
Also is Dragon ball, not the best example of a well written plots
The over the over the to mass murder of innocents scenes were added for the animated adaptation. It will be hard if not impossible for him to be redeemed over that. The Guardians of the Globe were military targets, but Omni-Man just went around killing people for fun.
>Omni-Man just went around killing people for fun.
It was more indifference, the point was that he simply didn't care because of his perspective/age. The rest of his arc can still play out largely the same way as in the comics, he may be less redeemable but everything he did differently in the show was still in line with the character's views.
him already killing the guardians was already "not redeemable" level, adding a few thousands of innocent people won't add any more to it. Thus if you can excuse him killing the only line of defense the earth has against villains and aliens, then you can excuse him killing a few thousand random civilians
He killed people in the comics too, it wasn't as brutal but he caused an avalanche that wiped out a town
What makes you think the writers did? I mean, other than a tl;dr'ed version of the cliffnotes.
reminder that Nolan is just Buu saga Vegeta
Did you learn nothing from anime? All he has to do is die fighting a bigger, eviler enemy and it'll be good
or if his mother's name is the same as Cecil's....
Game of Thrones confirmed anime
Reminder to eleutheromaniacs: this is what your superheroes would be in real life. Turning him into a simpering Superman wannabe because his son fell in love with what to them is like a dog tells me everything I need about who wrote the comic and who is writing the show.
>comparing your son to your dog
*his son's girlfriend to a dog, which she is when compared to them.
>this is what your superheroes would be in real life
And? Who gives a frick?
You do, because you instinctively rebel against it.
>Reminder to eleutheromaniacs: this is what your superheroes would be in real life. Turning him into a simpering Superman wannabe because his son fell in love with what to them is like a dog tells me everything I need about who wrote the comic and who is writing the show.
Like Mark trying his best?
If "his best" isn't good enough, is it really "his best"?
>HURR DURR IF SUPERMAN WUZ REAL HE'D BE EBIL, BECUZ... JUST BECUZ!!!!1!
Pacifism is a privilege of the truly strong, the fact that your mind immediately goes to murder is purely proof of your own weakness
Sounds like cope from a wannabe.
>(translated from shitspeak) If Superman was real, he'd be evil
His mainstream depiction is already evil.
Comparing a physically inferior but intellectually equal and fully sapient species to domesticated animals tells me everything I need about who wrote this post and the parents and teachers who failed raising them.
Nah, I think he would have failed on his own just fine
>physically inferior but intellectually equal
Immaterial.
Only to a sociopath. Sapience is the only valid measure of whether or not something deserves to be treated like an equal. Only a fricking savage measures whether or not people are people by how long they live or whether or not you could beat them in a fight, you miserable ape.
>Sapience is the only valid measure of whether or not something deserves to be treated like an equal
And yet, it cannot be adequately defined or objectively demonstrated.
>Only a fricking savage measures whether or not people are people by how long they live or whether or not you could beat them in a fight
Then guess what, you're being ruled by fricking savages.
Intelligence is measured all the time you stupid motherfricker. We routinely employ concrete models for cognitive development in children where we can pinpoint the exact age they become self-aware and can understand concepts that animals can't.
The doctors used them when you were a baby to discover where you are on the autism spectrum and to give your parents an exact figure on how hopeless it would be that you'd have any chance of learning to take care of yourself and function in society without a handler.
>The doctors used them when you were a baby to discover where you are on the autism spectrum
And found that I was the complete opposite of a filthy autist, essentially giving my parents an excuse to give me a second birthday.
>whether or not you could beat them in a fight
This is actually really important, and civilizations forget that at their peril.
Yeah, at the peril caused by savages. Its a seld fulfilling prophecy.
>United Fruit Company is savages
Nice Scotsman you have there, anon. But is it a TRUE Scotsman?
What are you talking about?
Anon was arguing by implicitly redefining terms so that the silly statement was correct after all. But if we use the actual definitions of words, there are, of course, perils faced by civilizations other than savages.
>there are, of course, perils faced by civilizations other than savages
Of course. Like people who claim to be above savagery, yet empower it at every step.
you need to re-learn grammar, that second sentence is atrocious
don't you ever again compare dogs with that hateful egoistic b***h named Amber,poor dogs
Apparently you don't even know what this word means. "Eleutheromania" is a strong desire for personal freedom, and though you could use it in a pejorative context, it really depends on why the person in question wants that freedom.
The way you keep using it -
>I love watching eletheromaniacs argue
Or in this case:
>Listen eleutheromaniacs, Vegeta can't team up with Goku
Makes no fricking sense. It has nothing to do with a desire for freedom. Usually the political arguments have nothing to do with wanting the kind of freedom the word describes either.
>It has nothing to do with a desire for freedom
Characters like Superman being the basis of the superhero myth has everything to do with not just the desire for it, but the tendency for some to bury themselves in its corpse and pretend the warmth they feel isn't a mass of larvae. This is why I consider Superman to be a villainous character, despite his seemingly heroic actions.
>The way you keep using it
So many before me have pointed out this fallacy, I won't bother, except to point out that many have pointed out this fallacy before me.
See above.
>See above.
No, it's very clear you're in dire need of validation for your moronic opinions so I'm not giving it to you. Stop obsessing over this boogeyman you've created for yourself.
>the post-WW2 order of the Western world is a boogeyman
And you say I need meds. You're typing it as soon as you see I've posted this, and you're going to post it after you've read this because you have no sense of irony or perspective.
Again, boogeyman. You're the only one you talks and types like this. Consider not doing that.
The basis of Superman'sappeal is
>What if I could fly and shoot heat vision and I had a girlfriend I torture and Jimmy Olsen looked up to me. But also the town loved me because I always save them.
Superman is specifically tied down to his obligations to Lois, Jimmy, and Metropolis. He's barely Superman if he isn't chainedto the altruism and responsibilities that make him Superman.
You clearly have no idea what "eleutheromania" means and you're using it as a $2 word to make yourself feel smart, even though in practice everyone finds you stupid, tedious, and repetitive.
>He's barely Superman if he isn't chainedto the altruism
No, he's just a better Superman, because he'd recognize that he's God to these pathetic humans and act accordingly.
>You clearly have no idea what "eleutheromania" means
It makes you write stories about Gods giving the faintest fart of a frick about human comforts.
"Eleutherophobia" would be the word you'd use to describe a person who has a fear of choices, or who gets choice paralysis. That'd be the person who says "Well Superman HAS to uphold the laws of Metropolis", because it's an embrace of a solved system.
For fiction's sake, Superman does have to be personally invested in Metropolis or else there's no stakes. He himself is invincible, so his story comes from saving the vulnerable things and people he cares about. If he didn't care about Lois or otherwise had no earthly motives, he'd be Dr. Manhatten and he'd go live on Mars.
An "eleutheromaniac" would be the type who'd look at that character and say, "How can you do this! Lois is just holding him back! He shouldn't have to care about anything!"
But of course that borders on nihilism. Superman with absolute freedom is an all-powerful character with no investments and nothing to lose.
To be honest, I give shit none about Superman himself, I'm just sick of people feeding the delusion that superior beings to humans would care about our comforts or the grand fiction we call "Freedom," all because losing those things means adopting a new set of rules.
Personally I just figured you listened to some kind of Ben Shapiro audio book and picked up the world "eleutheromaniac" being used as a pejorative by some elitist pseudo-intellectual who thinks people are too clingy to their ability to do things some shitty elitist doesn't approve of. So now you've made the word your catch phrase without double-checking the definition because that audio book resonated with you and you trusted the author.
I don't care to read about how you've discovered new words post-education.
Superior literally just in that they're super strong and live longer, they still have minds that crave affection and are capable of compassion, they aren't fricking eldritch beings or something.
>Reminder to eleutheromaniacs
Don't care
Didn't read
Plus your a board autist
Not only will Nolan get redeemed, Mark will cry harder and disregard his mother being disrespected even more. Because Mark will do anything to have his father back. And then Debbie will see Nolan and she'll get on all fours and bark like a dog.
Don't kink shame her.
>she'll get on all fours and bark like a dog.
hot
I am so tired of show only casuals spouting off shit
>anissa rapes mark once
>mark attacks her on sight and wants nothing to do with her, even when she tries to apologize
>nolan kills a shit load of people, talks shit about mark's mother, and beats mark to an inch of his life
>first thing mark does is cry and hug his father next time he sees him
God I hope show Mark gives Nolan shit and clocks him for what he did. He's already better than comic Mark by a mile.
I hope the father swiftly ends his son's rebellious streak, as all good parents do.
I'm actually disappointed. Nolan took forever to almost kill Mark. What type of father takes that long? There are kids that are mentally scarred from a belt whooping.
woah, it's almost like he still cares for the man who raised him more than some random psycho chick who raped him?!!?!?!?!?!?!
HOW CAN THIS BE?!
And his mom. Mark cares so much for his father he's able to overlook the shit he put his mother through. But hey, so does Debbie. Everyone just loves Nolan.
what the frick am I looking at here
Father-son bonding.
It’s literally the best scene from invincible. Don’t watch it until you watch the whole show.
normally would call you a homosexual an move on but yeah this episode hit like a bag of bricks going in blind
I think the only acceptable redemption after that kind of shit is a self-sacrifice
Take note Blizzard, Sylvy should not have survived the end of Shadowlands
Shut up, they killed Sylvanas anyway with that moronic split soul plot. She's not the same character anymore.
>Not the same character because her soul got split bro
Yeah no. Same b***h, same voice, same name, same character. One of the shining lights at the end of the tunnel for the expac for me was the prospect of being able to stomp her face in and /spit on her corpse once a week, and in the end that was denied to us because the Prime homosexual had to scoot in and save his waifu from being truly defiled and killed off.
Sylvanas was a villain since Cataclysm. She should have died
She did nothing wrong.
She shouldn't have gotten to that point in the first place.
>take note Blizzard, Sylvy should not have survived the end of Shadowlands
What difference does it make, Shadowlands has made death meaningless in Wow. Infact there's basically no reason for Sylvanas to not want to die since she has nothing to live for and being dead means she doesn't have to be a corpse anymore and can spend an eternity in paradise. Now if Sylv's soul got completely obliterated at the end of Shadowlands that'd be a much more deserving fate.
>character does something bad
>I guess that means no redemption right?
no anon that's actually the opposite of how it works, characters can only get a redemption if they do something bad first
Sure but there's a limit to how much a character can do before no one should be fine with the idea of them returning back to the side of good as if nothing ever happened
sure but its not exactly something with hard lines in fiction especially since, and I don't know these comics, but the choice is to reject Omniman and refuse to accept his help against a literal army of people who are all just as powerful as him
Like what kind of moron moral compass are you following that you think, killed people in the past is more important than saving people right now?
The moral argument is about the precedent you set by letting people off the hook for atrocities
lol right just like our real justice system is setting a strong precedent for preventing coups by aggressively prosecuting them in order to deter others
Sorry but even if I was to take your idea seriously even when it clear that's not actually how the justice system works, the precedent that someone who saved the world multiple times and will actively continue to protect the world is pardoned for a few thousands deaths doesn't seem like that awful of a precedent to set, call me a utilitarian but I've heard much worse arguments for pardons.
Dude, the justice system doesn't let doctors off the hook for murder just because they frequently save kids of somesuch, and nor should it
cool but Superman isn't a doctor and being Superman isn't something anyone can learn at college, its not like Omniman is replacable
if the only doctor you had in an isolated community had committed a murder I wouldn't suggest killing him and ensuring his knowledge and skills are lost to you forever
Gambling the person you are giving power over life and death who has already abused that power won't do it again is fricking stupid.
Committing a murder easily outweighs whatever good he's done helping sick people. Yes he's got to go. Replacing doctors isn't impossible.
>remove doctor due to him killing his wife
>80% of the villages elderly drop dead now, half the births end with the baby dying or being chocked by its own unbilical cord, hefty wounds wich need operations to deal with are now fatal for everyone all this cause they got not a single person with medical knowledge around and the UN temporary replacement doctors will be delayed by 2 years
Atleast we showed that doctor whos boss
Be real. Most of those people would probably not trust him to practice on them anyway. They wouldn't even be cool with him continuing to live there. Even if you were the one in some position of authority to have the say about him, mob justice would probably see things done anyway.
Anon there have been actual cases in very strict places like Germany where a Doctor killed his wife and everyone spoke positively of him and how his wife was the reason he did it since they have known the guys for years. The doctor was still put in jail but for barely a year. This was in Germany mind you now imagine doing this in a place like Poland. He wont even enter jail and just pay a fine.
Nolan never returns to being a superhero on Earth. He's accepted again by his wife and son when he turns against the conquering side of the empire but he stays in space, doesn't interact with the hero community, and the general public never knows he's still around.
It'll be weird that his wife forgives him so quickly considering they went out of their way to establish her being friends with another wife of the Not!Justice League.
I guess alien dick is just that good.
City-oids are not human, I don't see the problem.
They'll still do it which is why I thought it was moronic to include this sequence in the first place.
I'm tired of redemption arcs. Lately, it feels like other characters are the one's putting more effort to redeeming a character over the character themselves. In the case of Isaac, more than half of the show was rendered useless to give him an unearned redemption arc.
>other characters are the one's putting more effort to redeeming a character over the character themselves.
You know, I think this is honesty where I draw the line and haven't really thought about it.
Was Isaac really even a “redemption” arc though? Feels more like he decided to just frick off and do his own thing with Hector. It’s not like any of the other major characters think of him as a good person now, he’s just not a factor in their lives anymore.
He is not a good person but the writers clearly are saying that he is reformed. The writers just genuinely don't understand morality. The show has always been at Dracula's side.
If they had to bring back Dracula and Lisa, there are many ways to not make it seem like are siding with Dracula.
Eh, I can overlook characters in a medieval setting having looser morals. Murder and torture were just common place parts of life back then.
I don't know who you mean but no. The morals in Netflix Castlevania are bugmen modern Materialist morals. Why else it would it treat "muh racism" as reason to kill off all of humanity? The only actually good people were Trevor, Sypha, and Alucard.
The redemption arc was always pretty moronic considering everything he did
It is like how people keep asking "Can Steven redeem him/her?". The answer is always no. You can't redeem others; you can only redeem yourself.
Tell that to the Christians who've completely missed the point of Jesus.
You mean how they say that you have accept Jesus into heart? Because it isn't supposed to work unless you do.
just tell everyone he was being mind controlled by aliens
Could she beat Nolan?
And Homelander
I don't like most of those others. I didn't watch She-ra so whatever.
Vegeta saving Earth and the universe multiple times more than makes up for conquering a few planets
17 and 18 literally did nothing wrong outside of harassing a few people, future 17 and 18 got what they deserved
the T-800 is literally a mindless robot that does whatever it's programmed to do
most capeshit villians get "redeemed" only to go back to being bad guys like 4 issues later
This but I still don't like Vegeta because he is a shit rival turn the series into Saiyan powerlevel homosexualry.
Vegeta's redemption was handled very poorly with how much people put up with him even before he reformed.
>How can you tell they will not do as future 17 an 18 done?
Because Minority Report is a dystopia and you can't punish people for something that they will do in the future.
>Minority Report is a dystopia
It's self-contradictory regardless. You can't have both perfectly-accurate predictions and a crime unit that prevents perfectly-predicted crimes.
>Vegeta saving Earth and the universe multiple times more than makes up for conquering a few planets
Not that anon but no it doesn't. Vegeta shouldn't be allowed to walk free with all child-killing and planet-wide genocides he has committed. The only reason he's still around is because he's a popular character. I don't hate Vegeta, but his fans constantly downplay his actions with morality calculus and BS excuses like "he's better now" and "but he hasn't murdered a child in years" and "he died for an arc so everything is ok now". These fans are under the impression that crimes/morality somehow cancel each other out. Under this mindset, bombing an orphanage is bad, but if that bomber later stops a city from getting nuked then the bomber did nothing wrong and shouldn't be charged with anything. Morality is not DBs strong suit. It never was
Japanese people love denying war crimes
>Under this mindset, bombing an orphanage is bad, but if that bomber later stops a city from getting nuked then the bomber did nothing wrong and shouldn't be charged with anything.
Yes. Cry about it zealot
If you want to believe that then I can't stop you. But it would be difficult to defend or argue such behavior is moral or acceptable. Me kicking down your door and killing your family isn't suddenly good or legally justified if I helped stop a mass shooting decades later. That's not how legality works and morals shouldn't work like that either. Helping save the earth/universe is a good thing, but it doesn't absolve any of his previous crimes. Especally since many of these deadly threats only became threats because of his selfish behavior like with Cell and Buu.
It's called bad writing.
I do understand the point, but I always felt that at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, because time tells.
Just look at how shitty media is in general nowadays, could we really blame people in the past for considering gays, lesbians and nigros something bad? Specially when over 70% of the time they demonstrate being the type of cancer we don't want in society?
>Vegeta shouldn't be allowed to walk free with all child-killing and planet-wide genocides he has committed.
Something we've known since we were in caves is that it's more satisfying to kill Vegeta but then it turns out you needed him for something and the entire tribe gets wiped out because you had to feel satisfied.
We have been telling this story, and living it, for all of human history, and whiners still cant accept it.
>Vegeta saving Earth and the universe multiple times more than makes up for conquering a few planets
No it doesn't, because like half the times he did that he was also the one to put it in danger, intentionally. Vegeta was a monster and he never even showed remorse for it unitl DBS.
Letting Vegeta live past Namek literally causes more problems than it solves until Super.
Vader was dead two minutes after his 'redemption', why is he in there
T-800 is a designation held by multiple machines. The one in Terminator is a completely different unit than the one from Terminator 2. That's like blaming Nail for the shit King Piccolo did.
Racist.
>Classic mean
>WORDSWORDSWORDS
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Bottomtext.
The bot broke?
Doctor.......i need a dosis.......ASAP
I think we’re going to try something a little different this time
Thanks for the small dose doc, but i need my full prescription
That’s all I have sorry
The T-800 is just a re-programmed machine, it doesn't have morals so who cares? It's a tool to be used.
If a gun was on the ground on the battlefield would you not use it just because it was an enemies gun?
>would you not use it just because it was an enemies gun?
Do both sides of the conflict use the same ammunition?
T-800 is literally brainwashed into obedience.
Nope, all of your author's pets are irredeemably guilty 🙂
Why, it’s not Nolan killing those people it’s Mark’s wolf flailing around slaughtering them, it’s all on him for not accepting father-son bonding over world domination.
Vegeta was way worse and he had a redemption in DBZ
Invincible is just more visually graphic
Vegeta was never redeemed in Z. He died trying to fix just one of the many problems he created and from that point onward everyone just forgot about the trillions of innocent men, women, and children he's murdered. If the cast had any common sense they would have dropped or just killed him the moment he became a hinderance to the team. Thankfully Super is finally starting to give us the development Vegeta as a character needed decades ago. But it's too little too late. Namek is only one of his genocides.
Why is every couple in this show interracial? And why is Omniman the only white VIltrumite(sic)?
What is this show trying to tell me?
that you should probably be taking your meds
>stop noticing!
White men are a disease and deserve extinction.
I can't blame him for this, so in my eyes he can still redeem himself
I sincerely think that any human like race that lives that long should be killed off. Best case scenario is that there is a genetically unsustainable number of them with a benevolent leader. Vampires are the worst and Netflix Castlevania not making being a vampire an inherently a bad thing is missing the point.
>"Uhuhuhuhuhuh don't worry we'll replace the redemption arc with political parodies instead *smokes weed* it's all apart of our social deprogramming of super heroes uhuhuhuhuh"
>talk with your son tet-a-tet and explain how there's a whole empire behind things and your or his will play no role here
or
>ape out beat him and scream
was a hard choice
Why is anyone arguing with the c**t when you should he reporting it instead?
>i guess that means no redemption arc
Well, I don't think it's going to follow the comics because the whole arc that goes deep on Omniman's thinking is also fabulously shitting on the idea of timeline/universal resets.
If you haven't read, spoilers:
Omniman went full soldier mode, he turned his brain off because he did care about some of the people he killed like the first victims. He acted as fast as he did because he says he knew if he stopped to think for even a second he'd had hesitated and wouldn't have been able to go through with it. This is why Omniman keeps getting progressively more angry at Mark in their fight, Mark knows he's lying to himself and keeps calling him on it. Omniman is trying to be a perfect Viltrumite soldier. Basically he got so fricked here because he flipped his "follow your orders, soldier!" switch.
The writers will put the blame squarely on his upbringing in Viltrumite society. He'll be painted as much of a victim as his many actual victims.
>all these cartoononly plebs
damn that's what Cinemaphile has to deal with on daily basis?
not really, considering most threads are about manga chapters or ecchi its also the better board
>not really, considering most threads are about manga chapters
Go to any thread about a moderately popular newly aired Anime and you'll notice how shit the threads are Anon. Primarily because people don't actually read it or speed read the entire thing in a day.
What if life under Viltrumite rule was actually good and it wouldn't make one bit of difference for average people?
i hope not, the only interesting thing in invincible is the omni man plot, have mark beat the shit out of him in a rematch and have viltrum kill him
when i see still images of this scene they look fricking awesome, yet animated they look like shit. how the frick did that happen?
I freeze framed this scene trying to see if they drew any children being gib'd
I think they chickened out