I hear the new Top Gun movie refuses to kowtow to China by showing the flag of Taiwan. Is this true? Does the script not give a frick about the Chinese market?
I'll happily pay to see it today and even buy movie snacks if it disrupts the self-censorship western media exhibits.
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It plays it very safe. There's also no enemy in the movie. Just attack this place because we said so.
What the frick, so they just bomb a sandBlack person country and maybe have a dogfight with rusting Tomcats from the 1970s?
It's about preparing for and executing a dambusters-esque raid plan. Not-Iran has an exceptionally capable IADS around the site and inexplicably access to SU-57s, to avoid a tensionless 'lel we have the upper hand time to bomb some brown people'.
It was a moronicly unrealistic scenario especially the excuse for using the F18s instead of the F35s but it was still a kino movie. Much better too for the majority of people who don't know anything about air combat and tactics.
I went in accepting that any justification for actual tension was going to be inherently a little contrived.
Though the Super Hornets were an accessibility thing as much as anything. USN wasn't about to lend then F-35Cs they'd only just accepted at time of filming and there's no two seat variant. A ton of the shooting was done with the actors riding shotgun in the WSO seat with a real naval aviator.
I fully understand the reasons behind it in terms of making the movie, and to be fair they probably did the best they could with trying to explain it, but those limitations did require suspension of disbelief.
Alternatively they could have set it during an earlier period before any 5th gen aircraft were in service and had dogfights between F18s and Mig29s or Flankers. Maybe even early 2000s when the Tomcats were still in service.
True, true. Either way I'm glad that my girl the Super Hornet finally got the hero plane treatment, and in probably the most impressive production of its kind ever.
Yeah it's nice to see. Independence Day showed off the legacy Hornets to the public and now the Superhornet gets immortalised in one of the greatest movies of all time. Air Force / F16 Viper gays on suicide watch as their only movie is Iron Eagle.
No they go up against 5th gen fighters and SAMs not to mention a hella trench run. Location reminds me more of Bosnia in Behind Enemy Lines but they never say.
the enemy are heavily implied to be either russian or iranian
His jacket had the Flag of Japan and Taiwan in the movie.
The film does a great job of keeping the enemy ambiguous.
>Nuclear development facility in need of being bombed
>Has Tomcats
It's Iran. Even if the former wasn't enough, Iran is literally the only country on Earth that still has airworthy Tomcats.
>Iran is now a snow covered mountain range with a dense forest.
Just like the tropical jungles of Russia.
Here we operate them as a land-based plane. Yet another argument for why the RAAF was right to go with the Legacy/Super Hornet over the Viper.
In an ideal situation we would have gone with F-15Cs for air superiority fighters as well as probably the F-15E Strike Eagles for multi-role/ground attack (also very long ranges which is handy for a massive place like Australia, but we are small enough military and budget wise that we had to pick a one size fits all plane and the Hornet met that requirement fine.
Yeah, the consolidated airframe makes the choice trickier and I think the current path of Hornets into F-35s is the best bang for buck. Means every pilot and airframe is available for every possible mission, giving you a much more flexible force than if you specialised.
My major gripe with the F-35 program and mass adoption is that any flaw or issue identified with the airframe, or weakness identified and exploited by your enemy then affects your entire fleet. If you have diverse aircraft that limits those problems. Again, not really a luxury the RAAF has.
It's also literally the only game in town for an off-the-shelf 5th gen, and I think what that represents is alone more than enough to make up for that very real shortcoming. I'll take the town bicycle 5th gen over never moving past 4th gens.
Who the frick is Australia supposed to be fighting?
Utopia is the best show that the ABC's produced in years.
Yes? Have you ever seen pictures of Iran? It's one of the most mountainous countries on Earth.
Do you know how big Iran is
I reckon it was a mashup between Iran and North Korea but North Korea could actually afford 5th gen aircraft.
It was obviously making fun of China's crap tech
Its obviously China
They outright say it's an Iranian facility a few times
It says Uranium you stupid frick
Lmaoooo did you really just say that
My camrip had shitty audio too
Just like in the first movie then.
just like the real US armed forces
It was obviously China
It doesn't come up either way. The jacket is only changed in the Chinese version, if that's what you're talking about. The enemy country is very clearly meant to be Iran but they never even say that much.
The CCP fears the Scientology
there is the taiwanese flag there yeah, but like others have said they don’t name any names with who the enemies and allies are
To be fair the original didn't either.
It was China in the first movie but they never explicitly say it
It was always obviously the USSR you derp, the movie was made during the cold war no one gave a shit about China then.
China was backwater back then. It was Russia
does the average bat-flavoured popcorn munching chinaman looking to be entertained for ~2hrs before going back to the foxconn factory for his 20hr shift before tossing himself off the roof on his 5 min lunch break even really care about this shit?
No but their government does and they're the ones that sign off on what films get shown in their country.
Westoids can't fathom not having unmitigated access to the minds of foreign people.
>Showing a flag of a place that has a flag
>"Unmitigated access"
The flag symbolizes national sovereignty which is recognized by the west but not by China.
Sure. And I don't see how acknowledging that a country sits on a different side of that dispute is 'unmitigated access'.
Because it's irrelevant to the plot of the film and only serves to spread the American viewpoint on one of China's biggest political issues. It's literal propaganda and only serves foreign interests. Trying to enforce your view onto foreign cultures is 'unmitigated access'.
Anon, Cruise doesn't at any point turn to the camera and say "Taiwan is an independent state and the PRC's territorial claims to it are invalid".
Featuring the same jacket that he wore in the previous film 30 years ago, which contains a patch mentioning era-appropriate drills for his father to have attended, is not the same as advocating a position.
>Irrelevant to the plot of the film
It shows it's the same jacket from the first film, and that he's still trying to honour his father's memory on top of living with Goose's death.
Dude just shut your fat frickin face you know what he said.
STFU
>It's scared
You should be 🙂
The flag symbolises the Republic of China. If Taiwan ever declares independence then we're in WWIII.
No westen country recognizes Taiwan moron
Taiwan could decalre independance before 1970s but morons hoped that China will collapse and USA will install them as the goverment lol. They bet on China collapsing and now they are fricked.
same happens in western countries
just in a more euphemised word salad way
Didn't they edit it out and then back in when the movie wasn't gonna be in china anyway or something?
I haven't actually seen anything confirming it but I think they changed the patch specifically for the Chinese version. The original is meant to be his father's, the replacement also changed the dates to imply it's instead for an exercise that Cruise's character went on himself.
Iran is a huge country with much of it extending into central Asia. of course it gets a lot of snow in winter. Tehran gets tonnes of it
is this really that surprising to everyone?
I only know about fighter jets because of Ace Combat.
>you WILL fly the cool plane-thingy and DIE for Israel lol
nah you're okay
The bad guys in the movie are literally China .
The rogue country was probably Canada, Iran doesn't have snowy mountains right next to open ocean.
When the trailer came out, Hollywood was still trying to play ball with China, hence why they censored the flags. But Hollywood gave up on China because China is going hard against "foreign influences" and isn't allowing big blockbuster movies into China regardless of whether or not they "follow the rules." That's on top of the fact that Hollywood made a small percent of the ticket price in China, with most of the ticket sales going toward to the Chinese.
Lmaooooo nice COPE
The bad guys in the movie are clearly China
Lol
It;s Iran how dumb can you be?
Uranium that put's an ally at risk.
Enemy has a mix of Russian planes nad F-14
Basicly Iranian nuke program is a threat to Israel, Iran has F-14 they got when pro american regime ruled there but later they switched to Russian gear.
>China bans film
>film becomes popular
>Chinese shills try to convince everyone that they never wanted amerikkan pigdog imperialist capitalist propaganda film in the first place
Don't forget, you can tell it's imperial propaganda because it doesn't actively warp the world and its own past to conform to the Chinese state's opinions on the world.